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PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 8:21 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIX. MAIN DISCUSSION, AUG 1 -   

Ergon wrote:
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Thanks for the video, hugo. ;)
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So, technically, that wasn't a full "acquittal"; some of the criminal charges were simply dropped after the extinction of the limitation period for public prosecution, but Bongiorno took great credit for Andreotti's "acquittal" to herself. She also loves to tell in interviews that Sollecito has been acquitted for "not having committed the crime" while in fact he has been acquitted "on the grounds of insufficient evidence", which is very different from what she and her colleague Maori have been saying all this time.


The phrase "not having committed the crime" used under 530.1 and 530.2 confused many. I assume that falls under the rubric of "presumed innocent" but the purist in me says it should only apply to 530.1.


Under 'Comma One' or 'Comma Two', the court has to state which of four matters it considers to be at issue: that the act occurred, that accused committed the act, that the act was a crime, or that the accused was of suffiicient mental capacity to bear criminal responsibility. It's usually the second one, of course. The meaning, under 'Comma Two', is quite different: it's a 'not proven' rather than 'not guilty', yet it's made to sound much the same. The code of procedure was subject to a bit of a fix in order to obtain that ambiguity, since it suits certain interests.
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Ergon wrote:
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Thanks for the video, hugo. ;)
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So, technically, that wasn't a full "acquittal"; some of the criminal charges were simply dropped after the extinction of the limitation period for public prosecution, but Bongiorno took great credit for Andreotti's "acquittal" to herself. She also loves to tell in interviews that Sollecito has been acquitted for "not having committed the crime" while in fact he has been acquitted "on the grounds of insufficient evidence", which is very different from what she and her colleague Maori have been saying all this time.


The phrase "not having committed the crime" used under 530.1 and 530.2 confused many. I assume that falls under the rubric of "presumed innocent" but the purist in me says it should only apply to 530.1.


The judgment is worded incorrectly, because if you look at the Italian CPP statutes for Article 530,2, there is no such phrase as 'not having committed the crime'. If it did have that wording, it would repudiate itself, making the Article void.

'Insufficient evidence' ipso facto is not a statement of innocence, as that implies there is evidence of innocence, when the Article clearly says, 'insufficient evidence'. In other words, 'we do not know whether they are guilty or innocent'.

However, this phrase does appear under Article 530,1.

Problem is, Knox and Sollecito had their convictions anulled under Article 530,2, NOT 530,1.

You would think lawyer boffs at Roanoke law school should be able to figure this out.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:23 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIX. MAIN DISCUSSION, AUG 1 -   

Bongiorno aligning herself with Salvini raised quite a few eyebrows in Italy. The Lega is an overtly nasty party to start with, but perhaps most worrying is their close friendship with Roger Stone. Yes, that Roger Stone. Him of Black, Manafort, Stone.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 4:26 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIX. MAIN DISCUSSION, AUG 1 -   

To go back to the previous page (p.34), please use this link: viewtopic.php?style=6&p=132421#p132421
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 4:40 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIX. MAIN DISCUSSION, AUG 1 -   

Giulia Bongiorno is creating quite a divide within the (new) League.
By the way, she changes political parties as she would change gloves:
Alleanza Nazionale (National Alliance) -->> Popolo della Libertà (PdL) (People of Liberty) -->>
Futuro e libertà per l'Italia (FIL) (Future and Freedom for Italy), with Gianfranco Fini -->> League, with Matteo Salvini.

No wonder voters are suspicious of her shifting political allegiances.

There is even more murkiness and shadiness behind the scenes: Doppelgame of Giulia Bongiorno: Defends Fini and the Corallo company

Il Giornale wrote:
The “Coral reef” [La Barriera Corallina], understood as a “magic circle” of friendship, lobbying, and protection towards the boss of Bplus-Atlantis, the fugitive Francesco Corallo, draws heavily from the former AN [the Alleanza Nationale political party, Bongiorno was once a member.]

And, staying with the lawyers, here is the parliamentarian of FLI [Futuro e libertà per l'Italia] Giulia Bongiorno. In addition to defending its leader, Gianfranco Fini, Bongiorno (recently appointed spokesperson for the «Futurists») is in a professional relationship with Bplus-Atlantis, whose Italian "factotum" Alessandro Lamonica..., investigated in the Milan inquiry on financing received by the holding company from the BPM Ponzellini, she is defending.

As a lawyer or as a politician, Bongiorno has witnessed all the decisive stages of the Monte Carlo scandal in the last two years. It is she who presides over the increasingly frequent meetings of the faithful of Gianfranco Fini summoned to find a desperate way out. It is she who is commissioned by Fini, a few hours from the scoop of Monte Carlo, to sue the director [of Il Giornale that wrote about the affair] Vittorio Feltri. To Bongiorno someone attributes the political and media "strategy" to resist, resist, resist, in defiance of (disregarding) all evidence, and she has "worked" side by side with the leader [Fini] on the first eight responses/rebuttals of the case.

It seems her strategy - to resist, resist, resist, disregarding all evidence - has worked in the Meredith Kercher murder trial, unfortunately.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 4:53 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIX. MAIN DISCUSSION, AUG 1 -   

Latest developments:

January 20, 2018

Quarrel “lite” Salvini-Maroni, Andreotti new source of discord

Giulio Andreotti in the Pantheon of the new League of Matteo Salvini? To launch this idea is Giulia Bongiorno, former lawyer of the "Divo" Giulio, and today a candidate with the League led by Salvini, more and more different from the original "Northern League” of Bossi and Maroni. Not surprisingly, the Governor of Lombardy [Maroni] reacted, voicing the astonishment of many Northern League members, who re-posted his words on social media, reopening the quarrel that started with stepping down of Maroni who will not run as a League candidate in upcoming regional elections.

After having surprised everyone on Thursday with the announcement of her candidacy with the League, given her past track record and her previous association with Gianfranco Fini (one of the first supporters of ius soli*)), today Bongiorno has caught off-guard her new traveling companions, enlisting Giulio Andreotti: "Since the League of Salvini, first of all, has pragmatism in its politics, I believe that Andreotti would have liked my choice," she told Il Messaggero. "This national and concrete League - she told La Repubblica – he would have approved it, the one that is worried only about the North – no."


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*) ius soli, meaning "right of the soil", commonly referred to as birthright citizenship, is the right of anyone born in the territory of a state to nationality or citizenship.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 4:54 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIX. MAIN DISCUSSION, AUG 1 -   

Latest developments (cont'd):

January 21, 2018

League: Fontana, the party is strong and cohesive, it will not be divided
Bongiorno is a capable candidate

"Giulia Bongiorno is certainly a very capable person, she is a colleague of mine": the candidate for the Governor of Lombardy for the center-right, Attilio Fontana, replied in Milan to journalists who asked him to comment on the tensions within his party after the decision of Matteo Salvini to nominate Bongiorno. "They are small details that do not affect the substance of a strong and cohesive League - he said – there are perhaps different visions, but the League will never be divided", he said at a press conference held with the leader of “Energy for Italy”, Stefano Parisi.


ANSA (LOMBARDIA)

January 21, 2018

Matteo Salvini has commented on the Bongiorno controversy:

"I spoke with the lawyer Giulia Bongiorno, we will scrap / cancel the law that defines excessive self-defense as a crime. If someone comes into your house or to your store and threatens you with a weapon or endangers your safety and security, you have the right to always defend yourself and in every way", says Salvini, who dismisses Roberto Maroni's opposition to Andreotti's lawyer's candidacy: "I have no time for sterile polemics either outside or inside the party." “Bongiorno has drafted/authored an important law on stalking that has protected thousands of women". On the possible candidacy of Umberto Bossi, "we have not talked it over yet", he says.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:52 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIX. MAIN DISCUSSION, AUG 1 -   

If an ABC affiliate (WSET of Lynchburg-Roanoke, VA) publishes on their website a reminder about the Amanda Knox event at Roanoke, you can almost be sure that one of their reporters will be present at the "free" event, probably invited by Knox's PR agency to write a story about Amanda Knox's "triumphant appearance" in the name of the truth ("her truth", that is ) at Roanoke. All prearranged and agreed upon in advance. Oh yeah, Knox is so selfless, she doesn't need any payment, a brief report in the press/on TV would suffice, to keep her name in the news and satisfy her vanity. Watch out for WSET's coverage in the next few days. ;)

A screening and conversation with Amanda Knox at Roanoke College
By Barbara Estrada

WSET

Truth Matters: A Conversation with Amanda Knox: Jan. 24th at 7:30pm
(LOCATION CHANGE TO OLIN THEATER - due to the popularity of this event)

ROANOKE EVENTS
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:46 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIX. MAIN DISCUSSION, AUG 1 -   

KrissyG wrote:
Ergon wrote:
guermantes wrote:
Thanks for the video, hugo. ;)
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So, technically, that wasn't a full "acquittal"; some of the criminal charges were simply dropped after the extinction of the limitation period for public prosecution, but Bongiorno took great credit for Andreotti's "acquittal" to herself. She also loves to tell in interviews that Sollecito has been acquitted for "not having committed the crime" while in fact he has been acquitted "on the grounds of insufficient evidence", which is very different from what she and her colleague Maori have been saying all this time.


The phrase "not having committed the crime" used under 530.1 and 530.2 confused many. I assume that falls under the rubric of "presumed innocent" but the purist in me says it should only apply to 530.1.


The judgment is worded incorrectly, because if you look at the Italian CPP statutes for Article 530,2, there is no such phrase as 'not having committed the crime'. If it did have that wording, it would repudiate itself, making the Article void.

'Insufficient evidence' ipso facto is not a statement of innocence, as that implies there is evidence of innocence, when the Article clearly says, 'insufficient evidence'. In other words, 'we do not know whether they are guilty or innocent'.

However, this phrase does appear under Article 530,1.

Problem is, Knox and Sollecito had their convictions anulled under Article 530,2, NOT 530,1.

You would think lawyer boffs at Roanoke law school should be able to figure this out.


Not sure where you got that from, but no. Art.530,2 is an 'in dubio pro reo' provision meaning that a person cannot be convicted where there is doubt. The first two paragraphs of Art.530 read:--

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1. The judge shall enter a verdict of acquittal if the act did not occur, the accused did not commit the act, the act was not a crime or the accused was not of sufficient mental capacity.

2. The judge shall also enter a verdict of acquittal if there is lacking, insufficient or contradictory evidence that the act occurred, that the accused committed the act, that the act was a crime or that the accused was of sufficient mental capacity.


(In Italian:(2) Il giudice pronuncia sentenza di assoluzione anche quando manca, è insufficiente o è contraddittoria la prova che il fatto sussiste, che l’imputato lo ha commesso, che il fatto costituisce reato o che il reato è stato commesso da persona imputabile.)

In either case, the court has to state in its disposition which of the four matters is at issue. Where the fix comes in is that the courts are supposed to use the same wording under Comma Two as under Comma One, so they have to say 'because the accused did not commit the act' instead of 'due to insufficient evidence that the accused committed the act,' for obvious reasons. (The obvious reasons are that the Italian elite tend to end up in the courts, like Andreotti and Berlusconi, not to mention Cassation judge and mafioso Carnevale.)

As regards Roanoke, they couldn't care less, it's just 'Murrca! Murrca! We done got our girl back from them Eye-talyuns!'

Roanoke looks a very nice place if you've got $60,000 a year to spare at age 18. Lovely setting and only 2,000 students. Bit parochial, though.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 2:18 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIX. MAIN DISCUSSION, AUG 1 -   

Re: Knox's West Hollywood appearance in July 2017, and her today's appointment at Roanoke, here is a good characterization of her in a Daily Mail article, written immediately after her first conviction in December 2009. This description of Knox's character traits is still valid today:

Amanda Knox: Behind the Hollywood smile, a liar, a narcissist and a killer

But taken with the prosecution's DNA evidence, it is easier to understand why the jury was willing to accept that Knox did indeed have it in her to carry out a brutal murder.

They clearly did not believe that Knox was an innocent abroad (the girl with the so-called 'acqua e sapone' face, the 'water and soap' representing wholesomeness and purity).

Rather, they chose to accept the version put forward by prosecutor Giuliano Mignini who describes the real Knox as being 'narcissistic, aggressive, manipulative, transgressive, with a tendency to dominate'.

Not only was she 'easily given to disliking people she disagreed with' but was a 'talented and calculating liar'.


DAILY MAIL, DEC.4, 2009

Just a cautionary advice to Roanoke students not to fall for her "charms." Trust your first impressions of Amanda Knox and disregard the halo of a saint or a victim that the biased American media is trying to create above her head. Rather than believing everything that is written in Knox's book, read official court documents and transcripts available on this website and in The Murder of Meredith Kercher Wiki, as well as on the True Justice for Meredith Kercher website, and make your own conclusions.

You can download some of the documents by clicking on the links at the top of this page or in the "Legal Context" subforum. Click on the subforum's name (on the front page), and a number of individual threads will become visible, from which you would be able to download various documents. Don't rely on Knox's word alone. Amen. :)
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 6:08 am   Post subject: Re: XXIX. MAIN DISCUSSION, AUG 1 -   

People on Twitter are saying that Knox has been paid a handsome sum of money (several thousands?) for her presentation, so no altruism there. That woman is making a buck off unsuspecting students, who know nothing about her legal case, by encouraging them to buy her self-serving book full of lies and distortions. Well, it's working.

The first TV report is here:

Amanda Knox shares her story at Roanoke College
By Lauren Taylor

VIRGINIA FIRST
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Another report, in the Roanoke Times:

Amanda Knox talk on why truth matters draws crowd at Roanoke College
By Amy Friedenberger

ROANOKE TIMES

Oh God, what happened to Knox's face? It's starting to look more and more like Grim Reaper's. :shock: I know he has no face, but the bone structure underneath her skin evokes certain associations. Boring speech, too. "Choked back emotions"? Where have we seen that before?
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guermantes wrote:
Boring speech, too. "Choked back emotions"? Where have we seen that before?


Well, that's Knox's much-practised, stagey, 'Larry the Lamb' voice, often previously mentioned. Even by the standards of recreational thrill-kill murderers, she's some piece-of-work.

Incidentally, Krissy G, the best answer to Bill Williams's doltishly repeated question -- 'Name one independent forensic expert who agreed with the prosecution' -- is, not that he's the only one by any means, Professor Giuseppe Novelli, world-renowned geneticist and Rector of University of Rome Tor Vergata, who did indeed appear for the prosecution as an expert witness, because that's how you do that. You don't just publish error-riddled articles on the sly like Peter Gill. Novelli appeared in court, testified on oath and stood cross-examination, which is a lot more than Peter Gill ever did. (And remember Gill's performance at the Omagh bombing appeal. Judge: 'What are you talking about?' Gill: 'I don't know.')

Or, if the question is arbitrarily restricted to people publishing outside court, the answer is Professor David Balding of UCL, who confirmed the presence of Sollecito's profile in Sample 165B and confirmed that it was not likely to have got there by accidental contamination.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 1:02 am   Post subject: PROFITING OFF A MURDER   

Daily Mail 26 January 2018
Amanda Knox is charging up to £7,000-a-night to give speeches about Meredith Kercher's murder

Ansa Italia 27 January 2018
Amanda Knox nei college Usa, 9mila dollari per parlare di Meredith
Famiglia della Kercher indignata: 'Cerca solo fama e denaro'
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More than $ 9,000 for every speech about the murder of Meredith Kercher. Amanda Knox is on a paid tour in American colleges to talk about the 2007 case when she was in Perugia to study and her roommate Meredith was killed. Amanda Knox was initially indicted and then definitively acquitted. Amanda has signed a contract with an agency that is organizing her appearances. Amanda's decision to tell her story is not well received by the Kercher family. "Knox should think about her life without continually returning to this case from which she has only to make profits, in terms of fame and money," says the Kercher family lawyer to the Daily Mail.

"I was painted like the devil," Amanda told students at Roanoke College, Virginia. "Everything that has been said about me does not matter, the only thing that matters is the truth," she added, pointing out that she never expected to be unjustly accused. "If I learned something from this experience is that truth can not be hidden by ignoring reality. The question is not whether something bad will happen to you, but how you will react "
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 4:39 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIX. MAIN DISCUSSION, AUG 1 -   

I also posted this on TJMK. I hope we can blitz Ireland and RTE and try to rip her a new one. Where’s “corpusville” these days? I will try to email him PM. He is located in Dublin.

https://www.independent.ie/entertainmen ... 51644.html
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It's @RTERayDarcyShow on Twitter. But presumably he'll just ask her 'What's it like being so lovely and innocent and talented and misunderstood and hardly stabby at all and can I have a signed photo?'
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 1:45 am   Post subject: Knox RTE show Ireland   

Also reported here: The Journal
Amanda Knox will appear on the Ray D'Arcy Show this Saturday

Lots of comments, here's one:
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"There are some questions addressed to Amanda Knox if Ray D'Arcy would be so kind? Why did she falsely accuse her black boss Patrick Lumumba of murdering her room mate Meredith Kercher, and, considering she got a $4 million publisher's advance via Tony Blair's literary agent for her book and makes $10,000 per public appearance, why hasn't she paid him the 40,000 Euros damages awarded by the court? That ruling WASN'T overturned BTW."
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whatswisdom wrote:
I also posted this on TJMK. I hope we can blitz Ireland and RTE and try to rip her a new one. Where’s “corpusville” these days? I will try to email him PM. He is located in Dublin.

https://www.independent.ie/entertainmen ... 51644.html

Corpusville knows about it, whatswisdom :)
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Ergon wrote:
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I also posted this on TJMK. I hope we can blitz Ireland and RTE and try to rip her a new one. Where’s “corpusville” these days? I will try to email him PM. He is located in Dublin.

https://www.independent.ie/entertainmen ... 51644.html

Corpusville knows about it, whatswisdom :)
Hi Ergon. Thanks for the heads up. Hi Corpusville! Wish I could be there to gatecrash the RTE event. I hope you can find a way to make some noise in Ireland. (I talked to you last year on the late lamented .org. Hope you're doing well.)
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 9:58 pm   Post subject: SOLITARY CONFINEMENT OR KNOXIAN LIE?   

Requesting correction (moderated) to article by "Kaertora" who writes about the show in the Roanoke College paper The Brackety-Ack

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Knox seems to have fed the audience a mistruth : "About eight months of Knox’s sentence was served in solitary confinement. Knox was confined to her cell for 22 hours per day, released only for bathing and meals."

According to Nick Squires of The Telegraph 07 Dec 2009 "Knox and Sollecito escaped tougher punishment requested by prosecutors. The prosecution had asked for them to begin their sentences in solitary confinement - in Knox's case, for nine months. That request was rejected by the jury."

Please correct your article, thanks.

Didn't post link there since comments are already being held back, but here's the source: The Telegraph
Nick Squires in Rome 6:30AM GMT 07 Dec 2009
Amanda Knox: 'Foxy Knoxy' cries herself to sleep in jail
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 11:52 am   Post subject: Re: XXIX. MAIN DISCUSSION, AUG 1 -   

KrissyG wrote:
The judgment is worded incorrectly, because if you look at the Italian CPP statutes for Article 530,2, there is no such phrase as 'not having committed the crime'. If it did have that wording, it would repudiate itself, making the Article void.

'Insufficient evidence' ipso facto is not a statement of innocence, as that implies there is evidence of innocence, when the Article clearly says, 'insufficient evidence'. In other words, 'we do not know whether they are guilty or innocent'.

However, this phrase does appear under Article 530,1.

Problem is, Knox and Sollecito had their convictions anulled under Article 530,2, NOT 530,1.

You would think lawyer boffs at Roanoke law school should be able to figure this out.


KrissyG:

1. It's a problem we ran into in sending an understandable headsup: there's actually no law school at Roanoke, just a pre-law course, so there are few if any lawyers on staff. The event was organized by the Community Development department. This is how they do community development.

2. Here is Machiavelli posting for TJMK on the outcome on 30 March 2015.

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Under art. 620 lett. A) c.p.p.; annuls the impugned verdict as for the charge in count B) of the indictment section because the time of limitation of the offence has expired;

Under articles 620 lett. L) and art. 530 second paragraph of c.p.p.; excluding the aggravating circumstance under art. 61 n.2 c.p. in regard to the felony of calunnia, annuls the impugned verdict without remand as for the crimes charged in counts A), D) and E) of the indictment section due to the recurrents not having committed the crime; re-determines the penalty inflicted to recurrent Amanda Knox in three years imprisonment for the crime of calunnia.


[Warnings]

(1) The statement “because they did not commit the crime” does not imply a finding of innocence under Italian law; and when the art. 530.2 is mentioned there is no possibility of a finding of innocence;

(2) There are major legal blunders: the Cassazione is not allowed to make any finding of facts of any kind, it does not assess evidence directly, and it may not mention 530.2.

(3) Also it cannot re-determine the penalty for calunnia, since the penalty for calunnia was already definitive.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 12:19 pm   Post subject: Re: SOLITARY CONFINEMENT OR KNOXIAN LIE?   

Ergon wrote:
Requesting correction (moderated) to article by "Kaertora" who writes about the show in the Roanoke College paper The Brackety-Ack

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Knox seems to have fed the audience a mistruth : "About eight months of Knox’s sentence was served in solitary confinement. Knox was confined to her cell for 22 hours per day, released only for bathing and meals."

According to Nick Squires of The Telegraph 07 Dec 2009 "Knox and Sollecito escaped tougher punishment requested by prosecutors. The prosecution had asked for them to begin their sentences in solitary confinement - in Knox's case, for nine months. That request was rejected by the jury."

Please correct your article, thanks.

Didn't post link there since comments are already being held back, but here's the source: The Telegraph
Nick Squires in Rome 6:30AM GMT 07 Dec 2009
Amanda Knox: 'Foxy Knoxy' cries herself to sleep in jail


Nice work. There is an important backstory to the request for solitary confinement: the testimony in closed court showed this was not a "mere" hazing and unintended stabbing, it showed a very cruel crime with Meredith locked in still alive and grasping both sides of her neck to stop the blood running out. She may have taken up to one hour to die, and could easily have been saved if an ambulance was called.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 12:25 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIX. MAIN DISCUSSION, AUG 1 -   

whatswisdom and corpusvile

Knox people insist that all questions are on postcards so the Q&A components are pretty slanted. May or may not happen with RTE.

I would highly suggest arranging a handout (flier) outside the the theater.

This happened before, outside the Katie Couric studio in NYC, though Katie Couric herself could not hide her contempt for RS after he avoided a key question so the audience was not in thrall to him.
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We'll see tomorrow, but it seems likely that America's Most Exonerated will appear via video link from Seattle, as she did for that British TV interview a few years ago. She might fancy a trip to Dublin if RTE's paying, or she might be wary of hostile 'street recognition.' And it would cost quite a bit for RTE to bring her over and put her up at a nice Dublin hotel. (And Dublin does have some very nice hotels.)

Over at International Skeptics, they're still having trouble getting their heads round Art.530, short and simple though it is. I don't normally check the thread that often, but it's quite funny at the moment. On the one hand, Vixen is obviously wrong to claim there's a 'secret double probation' version of Para 2 that only she has seen. On the other hand, Numbers, the groupies' supposed expert on Italian law, has come out with this corker:-

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Thus, the highlighted clause at the end of Article 530.1 would be better as, for example, "the judge pronounces the sentence of acquittal, indicating the cause in the disposition". The "disposition"* may be defined as the "operative part of the judgment", that is, the short-form verdict. The Italian text of the clause is: "il giudice pronuncia sentenza di assoluzione indicandone la causa nel dispositivo."

This clause of the first paragraph, Article 530.1 applies as well to the second and third paragraphs, Articles 530.2 and 530.3, respectively, in accordance with the linking language in those paragraphs. The fourth paragraph, Article 530.4, relates to the security measures (such as imprisonment) applied to the accused - which, in the case of an acquittal, requires the detained former accused to be released ASAP according to ECHR case-law.


Yeah, no. Para 3 relates to the insanity defence, and Para 4, following on from that, authorises the judge to order detention in a medical facility despite acquittal on grounds of insanity. (Quite how that fits in with, or differs from, the 'unsound mind' provision which is the fourth scheduled matter in both Para 1 and Para 2... You'd need a far better qualified person than me to explain that, though from experience I doubt that the far better qualified person would really clear things up very much.)
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 8:27 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIX. MAIN DISCUSSION, AUG 1 -   

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"(3) Also it cannot re-determine the penalty for calunnia, since the penalty for calunnia was already definitive."

The verdict was definitive but not I think the punishment as Nencini increased the sentence from the 3 years imposed by Hellmann to 3 and a half years, having been asked by the 1st Chambers to consider whether there was a teleological link with a murder conviction.

Having annulled the conviction for murder the 5th Chambers wiped out the extra 6 months.
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"(3) Also it cannot re-determine the penalty for calunnia, since the penalty for calunnia was already definitive."

The verdict was definitive but not I think the punishment as Nencini increased the sentence from the 3 years imposed by Hellmann to 3 and a half years, having been asked by the 1st Chambers to consider whether there was a teleological link with a murder conviction.

Having annulled the conviction for murder the 5th Chambers wiped out the extra 6 months.


Tks Jape v helpful, will be added to the post.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 9:41 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIX. MAIN DISCUSSION, AUG 1 -   

hugo wrote:
We'll see tomorrow, but it seems likely that America's Most Exonerated will appear via video link from Seattle, as she did for that British TV interview a few years ago. She might fancy a trip to Dublin if RTE's paying, or she might be wary of hostile 'street recognition.' And it would cost quite a bit for RTE to bring her over and put her up at a nice Dublin hotel. (And Dublin does have some very nice hotels.)


Hmmm. Could well be. Smart thinking. Right that the few notices dont make this clear. She was on a Porta a Porta by link in 2013:

http://www.rai.it/dl/RaiTV/programmi/me ... 2ff23.html

She had some catching up to do, Sollecito eventually gained an edge on that show especially just days before the Marasca/Bruno verdict and I'm not sure she's a popular guest, a lot of eyerolling results.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2018 4:19 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIX. MAIN DISCUSSION, AUG 1 -   

Why this Knox phenomenon is so intensely unhealthy for the United States: it's deflecting blame from a bad system onto a good system that the world could learn a lot from now.

If Italy has a huge surfeit of trials and appeals, caution run wild, the US is starkly the other way. Less and less trials are held, and more and more plea-bargains are entered into. Something over 90% of all cases are simply plea-bargained now.

It is American prosecutors (almost all either elected or politically appointed) not Italian prosecutors who have accrued immense powers in recent years. This threat Knox claims ("they'd send me to prison for 30 years, I'd never see my family again") rings true to American ears because that's the sort of thing suspects get to hear every day.

Anybody without a bunch of money and tough lawyers is going to cave. Minorities especially, there is a huge mismatch between those of ethnic groups who do the crimes and those who get to be locked up.

American judges complain that most of what they do these days is hear plea bargains and pack hapless, powerless suspects off to prison. Those really innocent are said to number over 200,000 now.

And yet the rage of some millions now is against the ITALIAN system? Really?!
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2018 9:12 pm   Post subject: KNOX ON RTÉ NEWS   

Interview tonight at 22:00 Ireland Time :) RTÉ News
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Ray is joined on the couch by Sarah McInerney and Katie Hannon, two of the new presenters of RTÉ Radio 1's The Late Debate. Ray speaks to Amanda Knox, who reveals what it was like to be imprisoned in a foreign country for a crime she did not commit.

You can watch the livestream then or see later on the D'Arcy Show Facebook page.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2018 10:53 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIX. MAIN DISCUSSION, AUG 1 -   

hugo wrote:
We'll see tomorrow, but it seems likely that America's Most Exonerated will appear via video link from Seattle, as she did for that British TV interview a few years ago. She might fancy a trip to Dublin if RTE's paying, or she might be wary of hostile 'street recognition.' And it would cost quite a bit for RTE to bring her over and put her up at a nice Dublin hotel. (And Dublin does have some very nice hotels.)

Guess RTE can afford to pay her then, hugo :)
https://twitter.com/unspeakable28/statu ... 6403941376
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Ergon wrote:
hugo wrote:
We'll see tomorrow, but it seems likely that America's Most Exonerated will appear via video link from Seattle, as she did for that British TV interview a few years ago. She might fancy a trip to Dublin if RTE's paying, or she might be wary of hostile 'street recognition.' And it would cost quite a bit for RTE to bring her over and put her up at a nice Dublin hotel. (And Dublin does have some very nice hotels.)

Guess RTE can afford to pay her then, hugo :)
https://twitter.com/unspeakable28/statu ... 6403941376


Looks like it. And a characteristically classy portrait shot there, if I may say so. No idea why RTE would bother paying for Knox, as the usual rule with such shows is you get the guests for practically nothing but a nominal appearance fee and the taxi fare to the studio: flights and hotels are covered by the publicity budget for whatever they're promoting. The Graham Norton Show on BBC1 on Fridays tends to have Hollywood A-listers (Knox is somewhere below D-list), but Graham costs the BBC a lot more than the guests do. And that show gets more than ten times the audience of Ray D'Arcy and it's repeated in Ireland. Ray D'Arcy gets about a third of a million, half the audience of RTE's own Late Late Show on Fridays.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2018 11:44 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIX. MAIN DISCUSSION, AUG 1 -   

Knox got a slighty yucky congratulatory tweet from the current Rose of Tralee, Niamh McElduff. Niamh is a 'republican activist' and daughter of former West Tyrone Sinn Fein MP Barry McElduff, who has just had to resign after a seriously misjudged online joke about a sectarian massacre during the Troubles, which not even his Sinn Fein colleagues thought was funny.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-42688698

On the other hand, some tweets are rather less congratulatory. (E.g. 'She's the guiltiest "innocent" person I've ever seen interviewed!')
https://twitter.com/sabredy/status/959933399464103937
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 2:25 am   Post subject: Re: XXIX. MAIN DISCUSSION, AUG 1 -   

hugo wrote:
Ergon wrote:
Guess RTE can afford to pay her then, hugo :)
https://twitter.com/unspeakable28/statu ... 6403941376


Looks like it. And a characteristically classy portrait shot there, if I may say so. No idea why RTE would bother paying for Knox, as the usual rule with such shows is you get the guests for practically nothing but a nominal appearance fee and the taxi fare to the studio: flights and hotels are covered by the publicity budget for whatever they're promoting. The Graham Norton Show on BBC1 on Fridays tends to have Hollywood A-listers (Knox is somewhere below D-list), but Graham costs the BBC a lot more than the guests do. And that show gets more than ten times the audience of Ray D'Arcy and it's repeated in Ireland. Ray D'Arcy gets about a third of a million, half the audience of RTE's own Late Late Show on Fridays.

At least they asked this question, hugo https://twitter.com/manfromatlan/status ... 5324869632
tho I'm told she banged on about "conspiracy theorists" or some such?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 9:22 am   Post subject: Re: XXIX. MAIN DISCUSSION, AUG 1 -   

D'Arcy also said, 'That is the oddest thing I have ever heard,' when Knox bizarrely broke into a pro-IRA song by the Wolfetones, 'Come Out You Black and Tans'. She appears not to know that, as a result of starting the 1922 Civil War, the IRA are not as universally beloved in Ireland as Americans think. Blastingnews suggested she was in Ireland on her own dollar to stay with her good buddy Peter Pringle, who she met on a US chat show.

http://uk.blastingnews.com/world/2018/0 ... 29891.html

Pringle's conviction for the murder of two gardai during a bungled paramilitary armed robbery in 1980 was overturned as unsafe on quite narrow technical grounds in 1995, and the scheduled retrial was dropped due to the death of a key police witness. Ever since, Pringle has claimed he was 'exonerated' when that wasn't what the appeal court said at all. He also claims he's fighting for compensation, but he's never even applied because he probably knows he won't qualify. He also claims, to gullible US audiences, that he spent '15 years on Death Row.' He was sentenced to death, but Ireland had commuted every death sentence since about 1954 and his was inevitably commuted to life imprisonment shortly after his conviction.

So he and America's Most Exonerated may have a 'birds of a feather' thing going, and they both clearly know there's one born every minute.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/viewpoint ... 19107.html
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hugo wrote:
Ever since, Pringle has claimed he was 'exonerated' when that wasn't what the appeal court said at all. He also claims he's fighting for compensation, but he's never even applied because he probably knows he won't qualify.


Thanks Hugo on Pringle. Similarly Knox has not applied for compensation to the Florence court; her ECHR request is about financial compensation (averages countries pay on the grounds filed if they heed the ECHR finding are small), though not retrial or annulment on the calunnia as she hints, even her own lawyers' hearts were never in that.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 11:33 am   Post subject: Re: XXIX. MAIN DISCUSSION, AUG 1 -   

hugo wrote:
D'Arcy also said, 'That is the oddest thing I have ever heard,' when Knox bizarrely broke into a pro-IRA song by the Wolfetones, 'Come Out You Black and Tans'. She appears not to know that, as a result of starting the 1922 Civil War, the IRA are not as universally beloved in Ireland as Americans think. Blastingnews suggested she was in Ireland on her own dollar to stay with her good buddy Peter Pringle, who she met on a US chat show.

http://uk.blastingnews.com/world/2018/0 ... 29891.html

Pringle's conviction for the murder of two gardai during a bungled paramilitary armed robbery in 1980 was overturned as unsafe on quite narrow technical grounds in 1995, and the scheduled retrial was dropped due to the death of a key police witness. Ever since, Pringle has claimed he was 'exonerated' when that wasn't what the appeal court said at all. He also claims he's fighting for compensation, but he's never even applied because he probably knows he won't qualify. He also claims, to gullible US audiences, that he spent '15 years on Death Row.' He was sentenced to death, but Ireland had commuted every death sentence since about 1954 and his was inevitably commuted to life imprisonment shortly after his conviction.

So he and America's Most Exonerated may have a 'birds of a feather' thing going, and they both clearly know there's one born every minute.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/viewpoint ... 19107.html

At least she didn't wear a Shamrock Green Mormon frock, hugo, or she'd have sung "The Wearing Of The Green" (I used to hear that a lot in Shepherd's Bush pubs :)
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Fast Pete wrote:
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Ever since, Pringle has claimed he was 'exonerated' when that wasn't what the appeal court said at all. He also claims he's fighting for compensation, but he's never even applied because he probably knows he won't qualify.


Thanks Hugo on Pringle. Similarly Knox has not applied for compensation to the Florence court; her ECHR request is about financial compensation (averages countries pay on the grounds filed if they heed the ECHR finding are small), though not retrial or annulment on the calunnia as she hints, even her own lawyers' hearts were never in that.


Correction, I see from old press reports that Pringle did apply for compensation in 1995 and didn't get it. In 1997 the Supreme Court in Dublin did give him leave to appeal, but did not grant a certificate of miscarriage of justice (which is a thing you can get in Ireland), because an overturn does not necessarily mean a miscarriage of justice occurred. In 1999, per the Irish Times, there was a hearing, with the state objecting on legal grounds because Pringle had filed two parallel claims, though his lawyer said he hadn't.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/state-o ... d-1.204915

Then nothing seems to have happened for nearly 20 years, but he has apparently just had a hearing and the court reserved judgement for the time being. Pringle now says that in 2003 the state informed his lawyers that they'd had a hair, recovered from the getaway car, tested by the late lamented FSS in England (don't know if Peter Gill worked on that one) and the DNA was compatible with a blood sample taken from Pringle in 1994. So Pringle's moving for discovery of the documentation and claiming this is all a scheme to deny him compensation (even though he does not seem to have pressed his application for a very long time). The state objects, not least on the grounds of inordinate delay.

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/jud ... 26164.html
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 6:45 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIX. MAIN DISCUSSION, AUG 1 -   

Now being reported by La Stampa
La figuraccia di Amanda Knox in tv: canta in Irlanda canzone pro-Ira
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The Daily Mirror
Amanda Knox sings pro-IRA song she learned in prison in bizarre Irish TV chatshow appearance
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Ergon wrote:
Now being reported by La Stampa
La figuraccia di Amanda Knox in tv: canta in Irlanda canzone pro-Ira
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The Daily Mirror
Amanda Knox sings pro-IRA song she learned in prison in bizarre Irish TV chatshow appearance

Trying to gauge the bizarreness of this. Would that song put off 100% of Irish viewers? Weren't X percent pro unification?

From our point of view, given the real threats she is inspiring against Perugians, condoning violence should be damned as a really bad idea. But I see that in no report yet.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:20 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIX. MAIN DISCUSSION, AUG 1 -   

Fast Pete wrote:
Ergon wrote:
Now being reported by La Stampa
La figuraccia di Amanda Knox in tv: canta in Irlanda canzone pro-Ira
and
The Daily Mirror
Amanda Knox sings pro-IRA song she learned in prison in bizarre Irish TV chatshow appearance

Trying to gauge the bizarreness of this. Would that song put off 100% of Irish viewers? Weren't X percent pro unification?

From our point of view, given the real threats she is inspiring against Perugians, condoning violence should be damned as a really bad idea. But I see that in no report yet.

Hi Pete,
she went off script and seems to have missed how Ireland doesn't wish to be associated with the IRA. So yes, her interview collapsed right there. Her excuse: she was sent a CD of "Fighting Irish Songs in prison by an Irish Supporter".

Probably her webmaster MichaelB aka @GuilterWatchin who lives outside of Dublin dm-)
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From the Daily Mirror article above:
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Ms Knox also spoke out about her ordeal and the weight of public opinion which pointed the finger at her over the death Ms Kercher.

“There is no middle ground with people who confront me," she said.

“There are people who really latch on to the conspiracy theory idea that I orchestrated a sex game to punish Meredith for her purity.”

She said people never said it to her face but on the internet.

“People who come up to me are very kind to me.”
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Fast Pete wrote:
Ergon wrote:
Now being reported by La Stampa
La figuraccia di Amanda Knox in tv: canta in Irlanda canzone pro-Ira
and
The Daily Mirror
Amanda Knox sings pro-IRA song she learned in prison in bizarre Irish TV chatshow appearance

Trying to gauge the bizarreness of this. Would that song put off 100% of Irish viewers? Weren't X percent pro unification?

From our point of view, given the real threats she is inspiring against Perugians, condoning violence should be damned as a really bad idea. But I see that in no report yet.


It's the 'mad laugh' that she comes out with when reciting the song, as if it's funny. (The song is fake, incidentally. It doesn't date from the War of Independence in 1920-21 and was actually written as a nostalgic nationalist exercise by Dominic Behan, who wasn't even born till 1928 and spent most of his career in England writing plays for British TV in the 1960s and 1970s. But in Ireland you're supposed to take it seriously, on account of all the blood spilt, and it's particularly weird to hear a foreigner give that manic cackle while reciting it. Hence Ray's instinctive reaction, 'That's the oddest thing I've ever witnessed.')
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 1:09 am   Post subject: Re: XXIX. MAIN DISCUSSION, AUG 1 -   

Ahead of Knox's appearance on the Ray D'Arcy Show, Blasting News also reported the following:

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Amanda Knox appeared with Sunny Jacobs and William (sic) Pringle on K5News channel in May 2017. Knox said that she and Sunny were "women together" fighting injustice.

However, there is still much controversy in Eire as to Pringle's innocence and emotions run high as five young children lost their fathers in the murder of the police officers in 1980. In addition, some say Jacobs was freed from death row for compassionate reasons, not because she was innocent, as she now claims.

Knox's appearance on Irish TV controversial
Because of Knox's connection with William Pringle, who lived in the USA for many years after his release, and has in 2016 settled in Connemara in Ireland, the interview is bound to cause a lot of media interest.

Many in the UK and the mainland of Ireland are not convinced by Knox's claim to have been 'exonerated'.

It could well be that Knox will be staying with William Pringle and Sunny Jacobs.

Sunny Jacobs is now 69.


http://uk.blastingnews.com/entertainmen ... 25613.html

Here they are on the New Day Northwest, interviewed by Margaret Larson (video, 12:30 min):

KING5

P.S. Why Blasting News call Peter Pringle "William", I don't know. ;)
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 4:43 am   Post subject: Re: XXIX. MAIN DISCUSSION, AUG 1 -   

Amanda Knox on the Ray D'Arcy Show (video, full episode):

https://www.rte.ie/player/ca/show/the-r ... /10835146/

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She had a raised forehead with frown lines, often associated with anxiety.

I'll comment on this later on; I have to search through my files first. Those "frown lines" mean more than just anxiety...to be continued...

Okay, here we go: her forehead tightens up in area between eye brows.
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Typically, in a person who is lying, their micro-expression will exhibit the emotion of distress, characterized by the eyebrows being drawn upwards towards the middle of the forehead (sometimes causing short lines to appear across the forehead skin).


It's a constant fixture on Knox's face in all of her interviews. She can somewhat control her words, but she can't control her facial muscles.

Also read HERE and HERE. Scientifically proven.
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guermantes wrote:
Amanda Knox on the Ray D'Arcy Show (video, full episode):

https://www.rte.ie/player/ca/show/the-r ... /10835146/

---------------------------------------------------------------

Blasting News wrote:
She had a raised forehead with frown lines, often associated with anxiety.

I'll comment on this later on; I have to search through my files first. Those "frown lines" mean more than just anxiety...to be continued...

Okay, here we go: her forehead tightens up in area between eye brows.
Quote:
Typically, in a person who is lying, their micro-expression will exhibit the emotion of distress, characterized by the eyebrows being drawn upwards towards the middle of the forehead (sometimes causing short lines to appear across the forehead skin).


It's a constant fixture on Knox's face in all of her interviews. She can somewhat control her words, but she can't control her facial muscles.

Also read HERE and HERE. Scientifically proven.


I have a number of images from way back before trial and she had this tendency back then too.

I must say the latest ploy, that she was slut-shamed, amused me. The Knox 1.0 we say from 2007 to 2009 was all boys and good times and drugs. The Italian course she enrolled in she could have done in Seattle. But boys and good times and drugs, half a world away from adult supervision... Poor Italy in face of this:

http://truejustice.org/ee/index.php?/tj ... o_run_wil/

http://truejustice.org/ee/index.php?/tj ... heir_alco/

http://truejustice.org/ee/index.php?/tj ... woman_liv/
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Message boards are a little out of date, of course, and people buy new devices and lose their login and just migrate to Twitter and Facebook and beyond, but this seems to have misled Bruce, and the ISF groupies, into believing that there are only 'half a dozen guilters left.'

Yeah, no. On Twitter, after Knox's disastrous RTE appearance, commenters hostile to Knox outnumbered the groupies (who are still trotting out the same old, tired old Marriott PR 'talking points' from 2011) by about 20 to 1.

https://twitter.com/hashtag/amandaknox?lang=en

Irish and British media articles typically headlined Knox's performance as 'bizarre'. On the epic comment string under the Daily Mail's article, with about 2,700 comments so far, again commenters hostile to Knox outnumber the groupies by about 20 to 1, and the green-arrow upvotes and red-arrow downvotes for the comments are in the same proportion.

The most upvoted comment on the Mail string, by an Australian who says that Knox must have been involved in Meredith's murder, and that her publicity-seeking appearances are distasteful, gained at the last count 6,125 upvotes to 305 downvotes.

The second most upvoted comment, often repeated on Twitter, is the famous 'Hi Amanda, we hate you -- from the UK,' which got 4,817 upvotes to 387 downvotes.

The third most upvoted comment -- 'A "fan" sent her a CD? She has fans? God help us all' -- got 3,904 upvotes to 109 downvotes.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -song.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... l#comments

Yup, murderers have groupies or fans, who like what they do. Not surprising that an IRA groupie would send Knox that CD, on account of approving what she did by murdering a British person. And Knox admitted she didn't understand the song but liked its 'fighting spirit,' i.e. 'Let's go kill a Brit,' and thought the Irish audience would be with her. But the IRA, who inflicted more grief on Ireland in the Civil War than the British did in the 'Tan War', are not really that popular in Ireland, and nor are the IRA's rather unpleasant low-rent groupies, and the Irish TV audience got a queasy feeling from Knox's crass attempt to ingratiate herself.

On the Mail string, and on Twitter, reference is often made to the actual Supreme Court report which places Knox at the scene of the murder; links to the wiki are given; and people appear to have taken this in. The groupies have lost, basically.
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hugo wrote:
Message boards are a little out of date, of course, and people buy new devices and lose their login and just migrate to Twitter and Facebook and beyond, but this seems to have misled Bruce, and the ISF groupies, into believing that there are only 'half a dozen guilters left.'

Yeah, no. On Twitter, after Knox's disastrous RTE appearance, commenters hostile to Knox outnumbered the groupies (who are still trotting out the same old, tired old Marriott PR 'talking points' from 2011) by about 20 to 1.

https://twitter.com/hashtag/amandaknox?lang=en

Irish and British media articles typically headlined Knox's performance as 'bizarre'. On the epic comment string under the Daily Mail's article, with about 2,700 comments so far, again commenters hostile to Knox outnumber the groupies by about 20 to 1, and the green-arrow upvotes and red-arrow downvotes for the comments are in the same proportion.

The most upvoted comment on the Mail string, by an Australian who says that Knox must have been involved in Meredith's murder, and that her publicity-seeking appearances are distasteful, gained at the last count 6,125 upvotes to 305 downvotes.

The second most upvoted comment, often repeated on Twitter, is the famous 'Hi Amanda, we hate you -- from the UK,' which got 4,817 upvotes to 387 downvotes.

The third most upvoted comment -- 'A "fan" sent her a CD? She has fans? God help us all' -- got 3,904 upvotes to 109 downvotes.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -song.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... l#comments

Yup, murderers have groupies or fans, who like what they do. Not surprising that an IRA groupie would send Knox that CD, on account of approving what she did by murdering a British person. And Knox admitted she didn't understand the song but liked its 'fighting spirit,' i.e. 'Let's go kill a Brit,' and thought the Irish audience would be with her. But the IRA, who inflicted more grief on Ireland in the Civil War than the British did in the 'Tan War', are not really that popular in Ireland, and nor are the IRA's rather unpleasant low-rent groupies, and the Irish TV audience got a queasy feeling from Knox's crass attempt to ingratiate herself.

On the Mail string, and on Twitter, reference is often made to the actual Supreme Court report which places Knox at the scene of the murder; links to the wiki are given; and people appear to have taken this in. The groupies have lost, basically.


Good take Hugo.

I've been looking around a lot too and are seeing the same picture. Big net negative for Knox; meanwhile media commenters are better and better informed. Groupies are outnumbered tremendously.

Fischer gets it 180 degrees wrong (so whats new). All three of our sites are almost fully loaded after a tremendous 18 months and all the dots can finally be connected up. Posters are still around by the many dozens. We simply dont have to keep adding very much more, though on TJMK there are some really key overview posts soon to happen.

I do agree its ISF and the Fischer sites that seem crumbling, they are way too adhominem, in the approved mafia manner, way too obscure in their obsessions, and way too light on good translations, hard facts, and respect for the tough case made at trial - and for Italy which retains an excellent image despite their 10 years of smearing.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:14 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIX. MAIN DISCUSSION, AUG 1 -   

http://www.marieclaire.com/culture/a160 ... cialflowTW

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 5:07 am   Post subject: Re: XXIX. MAIN DISCUSSION, AUG 1 -   

jhansigirl wrote:
http://www.marieclaire.com/culture/a16020249/amanda-knox-media-target/?src=socialflowTW

No comments allowed on Knox's attempt to piggyback on Italian actress Asia Argento's accusations against Harvey Weinstein and the #MeToo movement.
Amanda Knox Speaks Out About Being Targeted by the Media
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Stereotypes delegitimize our victimhood and only serve to reinforce the power that actual predators, like Weinstein, still have.

huh-)
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jhansigirl wrote:
http://www.marieclaire.com/culture/a16020249/amanda-knox-media-target/?src=socialflowTW


Whiny "victim" on steroids. Someone should keep a running list of her whines. New page on TJMK: Whinewatch?!
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Hmm. Hadn't noticed that. Seems Bruce has hosted a discussion in favour of convicted sexual abuser Rolf Harris. That's odd, very. I should add that Rolf has had one of his 12 convictions set aside; the other 11 remain.

http://www.injusticeanywhereforum.com/v ... &start=400

Bruce has also hosted a discussion in favour of the Continuity IRA terrorist murderers of a police officer in Northern Ireland.

http://www.injusticeanywhereforum.org/v ... f039b43c1c

There's a groupie thing going on in that case. An actual groupie, an Irish-descent Englishwoman, has married one of the killers after becoming his penpal, rather as the Guardian's Simon Hattenstone became a besotted prison penpal of Knox. The groupie bride's family say her bizarre decision is tearing them apart.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news ... 34713.html

The actual evidence against the killers was considerable, though obviously defence lawyers claim it was non-existent, because that's what they're paid to say, as people often fail to realise.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-17220730

Belfast Appeal Court refused one (somewhat unimpressive) appeal in 2014 and the Supreme Court in London refused leave for a further appeal in 2016. In 2017, Dublin City Council strangely called for the killers to be released without further legal process, like that's even possible. Certain Dublin city councillors evidently do not know what the law is, or how it works, or what jurisdiction they live in, or what jurisdiction has charge of the case, or anything at all really.

https://www.irishnews.com/news/northern ... n-1076885/
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Ergon wrote:
jhansigirl wrote:
http://www.marieclaire.com/culture/a16020249/amanda-knox-media-target/?src=socialflowTW

No comments allowed on Knox's attempt to piggyback on Italian actress Asia Argento's accusations against Harvey Weinstein and the #MeToo movement.
Amanda Knox Speaks Out About Being Targeted by the Media
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Stereotypes delegitimize our victimhood and only serve to reinforce the power that actual predators, like Weinstein, still have.

huh-)


This 'parallel' between Knox and Asia Argento seems to have troubled Frank Sfarzo. I couldn't bring myself to 'like' his tweet, but (assuming I read it correctly) I probably should have; but then he progressed into his usual fantasy.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 2:07 am   Post subject: ASIA ARGENTO   

Sallyoo wrote:
Ergon wrote:
jhansigirl wrote:
http://www.marieclaire.com/culture/a16020249/amanda-knox-media-target/?src=socialflowTW

No comments allowed on Knox's attempt to piggyback on Italian actress Asia Argento's accusations against Harvey Weinstein and the #MeToo movement.
Amanda Knox Speaks Out About Being Targeted by the Media
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Stereotypes delegitimize our victimhood and only serve to reinforce the power that actual predators, like Weinstein, still have.

huh-)


This 'parallel' between Knox and Asia Argento seems to have troubled Frank Sfarzo. I couldn't bring myself to 'like' his tweet, but (assuming I read it correctly) I probably should have; but then he progressed into his usual fantasy.

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Their cases are indeed in no way similar, Sallyoo
Variety
Asia Argento, More Models Detail Harvey Weinstein’s Italian Connection (EXCLUSIVE)
And Frank Sfarzo still can't help himself, on the one hand sliming "two American correspondents" - I assume Nadeau and Vogt, on the other trying to ingratiate himself with Asia Argento and her campaign which is causing a lot of controversy in her native Italy, causing her to flee to Germany.
Vanity Fair
Asia Argento Escapes to Germany After Onslaught of Victim-Blaming in Her Native Italy
Italian public figures show little sympathy for Argento’s plight.
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Many of the personal attacks came from Italy’s right. Libero, a conservative publication, ran an opinion by Renato Farina entitled, “First they give it away, then they whine and pretend to repent.” He added, “surrendering to a boss’s advances to make a career is prostitution not rape.” (Argento tweeted that she has sued for defamation.) The paper’s editor, Vittorio Feltri, said in a radio interview that the encounter must have been consensual because he didn’t physical assault her, and that she should be thankful that he forcibly performed oral sex on her.

However there's a backlash against Italy's bunga-bunga culture.
The Conversation
Asia Argento, Harvey Weinstein and Italy’s complex relationship with feminism
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The bunga bunga legacy
Italy’s image as lacking in feminist culture is in no small part due to Silvio Berlusconi’s tenure as prime minister – a period marked by multiple sex scandals. But this also unleashed a successful, popular social movement called “Se Non Ora Quando” (If Not Now, When?) in 2011. Nearly a million Italians took to the streets to protest against the objectification of women and the so-called bunga bunga culture propagated by those in power.

Alongside the street movement came social media activism. In one project, Italian women shared 142 videos under the heading “A Country for Women: Words to Say It”. Each reflected on their lives in Italy and their own experiences of sexism, such as the woman who talks about losing her job due to pregnancy, or the woman who, trafficked to Italy, works to help other vulnerable immmigrant women.

Now, many established Italian second-wave feminists are speaking out strongly in support of Argento. Ida Dominijanni, left-wing journalist and feminist philosopher, and prominent academic author Michela Marzano are among them.

The group “Non Una di Meno” (Not One Woman Less), which campaigns against violence against women, organised a huge protest in November that brought tens of thousands of people to Rome. They also wrote an open letter in support of Argento. Intersectional feminist blogger Abbatto i muri (I Break Down Walls) also spoke out in support.

Meanwhile, radical collectives from all over Italy such as the Cagne sciolte (Wild Bitches), which fights for LGBTQ and migrant rights, often in an uneasy relationship with their more bourgeois sisters, added their voices too. Cagne sciolte tweeted out in support of Argento: “Here how we’ll explain it. NO MEANS NO. IF YOU TOUCH ONE, YOU TOUCH ALL OF US.”

Nothing to do with Ms. Knox of course.
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Ergon wrote:
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Many of the personal attacks came from Italy’s right. Libero, a conservative publication, ran an opinion by Renato Farina entitled, “First they give it away, then they whine and pretend to repent.” He added, “surrendering to a boss’s advances to make a career is prostitution not rape.” (Argento tweeted that she has sued for defamation.) The paper’s editor, Vittorio Feltri, said in a radio interview that the encounter must have been consensual because he didn’t physical assault her, and that she should be thankful that he forcibly performed oral sex on her.


Feltri, of course, we know about. He was the drunk TV guest who claimed Sollecito would never be interested in Meredith because she was 'too ugly'. (She was of course exceptionally good-looking. He was using unsubtle racist code for 'not white like Amanda.')

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In 2014, some statements of Feltri, pronounced live in the television program Yellow line on La7, in defense of Raffaele Sollecito , one of the accused of the murder of Meredith Kercher later acquitted, make much discussion as offensive against the victim.


https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vittorio_Feltri

Bad enough that he's employed as a newspaper editor, but he was also Lega Nord candidate for President in 2015. (It's now just the Lega, and Bongiorno, who's made staggering racist comments about migrants only coming to Italy to rape white women, is one of its parliamentary candidates.)
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 5:48 pm   Post subject: MONSTER OF FLORENCE MOVIE TO FILM THIS SUMMER?   

Douglas Preston announced on his Facebook Page
that filming would begin in the summer.
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To my dear Italian friends -- the film of the Florence Monster, based on the book that Mario Spezi and I have written, will start spinning this summer. The Director is Nikolai Arcel, the studio is Studiocanal of France, and the film producer is David Heyman, one of the world's largest film producers (Harry Potter, gravity, I am legend, Paddington). Finally, the great and brave struggle of Mario Spezi to discover the truth of the monster will be remembered properly.

Can't see it listed on IMDB or director Nikolaj Arcel page.


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Preston "might" have an option from Studio Canal but until I see press reporting when filming will start, won't hold breath. I did send a DM to Magdalen Nabb's estate though :)
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 3:03 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIX. MAIN DISCUSSION, AUG 1 -   

Nick van der Leek has a new article out Ray D’Arcy to Amanda-Waiting-to-be-Heard-Knox: “Why do you *keep* coming out to tell your story?”
where he dissects her interview and odd behaviour.
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KNOX [Sighs heavily]: Well…one…reason is because a whole load of people have authored my experience, for me, and they’ve done a terrible job of it. Um…I feel like…my story belongs to me. And I’m the only one who can…tell it…TELL IT!

Nick also adds "she was working on another memoir titled Lady Justice." (People Magazine). Given her um, writing skills, perhaps she needs all the help she can get?

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 12:03 am   Post subject: Re: XXIX. MAIN DISCUSSION, AUG 1 -   

Ergon wrote:
Nick van der Leek has a new article out Ray D’Arcy to Amanda-Waiting-to-be-Heard-Knox: “Why do you *keep* coming out to tell your story?” where he dissects her interview and odd behaviour.


Thanks, Ergon, for the link to the Nick van der Leek article.

Nick van der Leek wrote:
Ten years later, Knox is back trying to claim ownership of “her” story [the story about how she didn’t murder someone]. By saying “my story belongs to me”, it sounds as if Knox is pitching for some sort of second book or movie deal; she seems mostly adamant about making a financial case for “her” story.


I think lots of people are wondering why Knox keeps appearing on all those talk shows and giving presentations about her now 10-year-old legal case. Why would she want to go through all that stress of lying again and again? She probably feels invincible. She is treading on a dangerous path, and she would better watch her steps very carefully.

One of the possible answers, with which I agree, is in this Tweet:

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Watched full #raydarcyshow-why is #AmandaKnox still telling her story? Obvious: Money! Fame! Attention! Her only career -- innocence fraud!


She indicated as much in her People interview; watch the (second from above) video, starting @1:26 min: http://people.com/crime/amanda-knox-lif ... -activism/
[By the way, her facial expressions are priceless if you stop that video randomly. She has to be vigilant about what she says all the time.]
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Amanda Knox said: Right now, I have an incredibly blast [?] life where me and my partner both write for a living and somehow support ourselves doing it. Ah ... mm ... we can't buy a house yet, we can't afford to have a baby yet, but ... like ...the ideal scenario would be one where ... ah ... I am able to ... write about other people as well ... ah ... to write about ideas that need to be conveyed ... and ... you know ... be actually paid for it [smiling] ... and Chris ... is continuing to write novels and ... you know ... we have lots of projects up in the air, we are constantly communicating ... we are constantly thinking and communicating ideas, and to do that for a living is bonkers awesome...
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So, for her, the ideal scenario would be "to write about other people as well" (not only about herself) and be paid for it, but, right now, it isn't working, her other "ideas" aren't that interesting, so the only "cash cow" at the moment is her alleged "innocence" of Meredith Kercher's murder, and that's really why she is actively seeking to sell her interviews and speeches to unsuspecting viewers/listeners. She is doing this to make a living and profit from it, with a bit of vanity thrown in; there is no other reason, in my opinion. She sees how easy it is to dupe people into believing her "fairy tales": who would question that pretty "acqua e sapone" face, right? She even enjoys it, at some level (in the absence of serious opposition.) In short, it's a perfect "cash cow" for her, and her appetite for more money will only be growing.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:29 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIX. MAIN DISCUSSION, AUG 1 -   

People may be aware of British comic writer Jon Ronson, bestselling author of The Psychopath Test.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Psychopath_Test

Jon is a Twitter pal of Knox and pretty much a Knox groupie, having taken his whole knowledge of Meredith's murder from the Blackhurst-McGinn Netflix film.

https://twitter.com/jonronson/status/777605833970577410

Jon appears not to realise that Knox only likes him because he wrote The Psychopath Test and she thinks he digs psychopaths and therefore 'gets' her. Jon also appears not to realise that psychopaths are manipulative.

In The Psychopath Test, Jon makes much of his meetings with Dr Robert Hare, creator of the PCL-R (Psychopathy Checklist - Revised), and boasts that he attended a PCL-R training session in Wales and thus became a 'qualified psychopath-spotter' for entertainment purposes.

Jon is still exchanging friendly Tweets with his pet killer and hasn't noticed she's a psychopath. https://twitter.com/jonronson/status/952319066705944576

Here is what Dr Robert Hare actually made of Jon's book.

http://www.psychopathysociety.org/image ... 202012.pdf
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:12 am   Post subject: Re: XXIX. MAIN DISCUSSION, AUG 1 -   

"Having attended a PCL-R workshop (described below), Ronson “emerged” as a “trained psychopath-spotter,” with a license to use his new skills in a mission to ferret out psychopaths in high places. In fact, his workshop experiences merely provided a useful backdrop for the cavalier use of the PCL-R in a journey into the madness industry." :)
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 8:41 pm   Post subject: COINKYDINK OR WHAT?   

Uproar in the US as Barack and Michelle Obama's portraits were unveiled in the National Gallery in Washington DC.

The Wrap
Obama Portrait Artist Kehinde Wiley Once Painted Black Women Decapitating White Women
Fans of the Obama portrait will recognize Wiley’s distinct colors and prominent use of flora and fauna backgrounds.
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With his rendering of President Barack Obama, Kehinde Wiley became the first African American to ever paint an official presidential portrait, but the new-found fame has also drawn attention to some of the artist’s more boundary-pushing past works.

Two paintings from 2012, depicting the Biblical story of Judith beheading the Assyrian general Holofernes, began making the rounds online on Monday. In Wiley’s rendering, Judith is depicted as a black woman and Holofernes as a white woman.

Fans of the Obama portrait will recognize Wiley’s photo-realistic human figures, distinct colors and prominent use of floral backgrounds.

Comments on social media run the gamut of "The portrait of former president Obama was done by Kehinde Wiley, who likes to paint black women holding the decapitated heads of white women up like trophies".

Some brave soul on Twitter saw a certain resemblance between the white woman and a recently acquitted exoneree (no I won't reproduce it here as the excitable states say we're 'promoting violence' :)

Media critics and reverse racists also having a field day on Twitter Jon Levine

My comment on The Wrap's article:
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There appears to be an unfortunate resemblance between the victim here and a certain famous "exoneree" who allegedly nearly decapitated her room mate and infamously accused an innocent black man.

The artist however explained Twitchy
So, what’s the deal with Obama’s portraitist and decapitated white women anyway?
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Which brings us back to the lady with the severed head. Like most Wiley paintings, this one has a backstory: Her name is Triesha Lowe, Wiley explains. She’s a stay-at-home mom whom Wiley found at the Fulton Mall. Her pose is a riff on classical depictions by Caravaggio and Gentileschi, of the biblical story of Judith beheading Holofernes. And the severed head? “She’s one of my assistants.”

Of course, he also admits it's a play on "Kill Whitey", ahem.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 5:07 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIX. MAIN DISCUSSION, AUG 1 -   

Great post Guermantes (also Hugo!) though I reckon that opposition to Knox is firmly on the uptick and there already is a noticeable silence.

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The Guede appeal decision is due from Cassation tomorrow wednesday evening against the Florence court refusing him a retrial.

This appeal is being brought by the legal help for the Viterbo prison, the lawyer Fabrizio Ballerini is one of them, and not the Rome team that appealed for Guede in Florence pro bono.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 6:26 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIX. MAIN DISCUSSION, AUG 1 -   

Thanks for the heads-up, Pete. In this report from the ANSA news agency, Guede's old defense team (Tommaso Pietrocarlo and Monica Grossi) are still being mentioned.

The appeal by the defenders of Rudy Guede to the Supreme Court against the inadmissibility of the request to review the sentence of 16 years imprisonment for the murder of Meredith Kercher issued by the Court of Appeal of Florence comes tomorrow.

    The petition presented by the lawyers Tommaso Pietrocarlo and Monica Grossi will be examined starting at 10 am in a public hearing by the Fifth Section. A verdict is expected in the evening.

    The defenders of Guede based their appeal to the Supreme Court on the "non-compliance" with the rules of procedure and the failure to acquire "fundamental elements" by the Florentine judges. The Supreme Court had initially set a hearing for which the Attorney General had filed a plea requesting confirmation of the decision of Florence and therefore the inadmissibility of the request for revision. "But we have argued - explained the lawyer Pietrocarlo - that there was a sentence [issued by the Court of Appeal of Florence - ed.] and then the public hearing was set".


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 6:48 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIX. MAIN DISCUSSION, AUG 1 -   

More from ANSA:

Guede requests semi-liberty already in 2018
He already works outside [prison] and shares cell with common inmates [criminals]

PERUGIA, 20 FEB - Rudy Guede, who is serving a sentence of 16 years in prison for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Perugia on the evening of November 1, 2007, may request to be admitted to semi-liberty by the end of this year. ANSA has learned this from one of his lawyers, Fabrizio Ballarini, who is already working to prepare the request.
    Guede was arrested a few days after the crime.
    Sentenced in an abbreviated trial, his penalty is expected to expire in early 2022.
    The Ivorian has already benefited from several prize permits thanks to which he has also returned to Perugia as guest of his former elementary school teacher. During the detention he graduated and obtained a permission to work outside prison. He is engaged in an internship at a library.
    In jail he is locked up in a semi-free ward cell with other common inmates and no longer in the section reserved for those convicted of sexual violence.


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I guess, Amanda Knox must be trembling with fear and apprehension after hearing this news (that Guede may walk free at the end of this year), or perhaps she will be trembling with a sort of frustrated anger/fury. ;)

ETA:
Amanda Knox said: "I don't want to ever encounter Rudy Guede in my life. I am scared of that person. I don't understand him and he did something deeply, deeply awful. [...]
I still can't say that I ever, ever, ever want to just run into him. [...]
I can understand Mignini's dehumanization much more than I can understand Rudy Guede. I don't get him, so he really scares me".
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/fe ... on-w497051
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Didn't she say in her Nov. 6 statement: “I am really afraid of Patrick, the African boy [ragazzo] who owns the pub called “Le Chic” located in Via Alessi where I work periodically”?
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Scared of all African guys, maybe? ;)
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 7:10 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIX. MAIN DISCUSSION, AUG 1 -   

Francesco Maresca's reaction:

Kercher family lawyer, "wound that reopens"
For lawyer Maresca Guede's request "baseless" [unfounded]

PERUGIA, FEBRUARY 20 - "Once again, the wound for the family of Meredith Kercher reopens when they see the media speaking of a tragic event for them, the loss of a daughter and a sister", said Francesco Maresca, the lawyer of the family of the English student killed in Perugia. He commented to the ANSA the examination by the Supreme Court of appeal of the defenders of Rudy Guede against the inadmissibility of the request to review the trial against him.
     A request [application] that the lawyer Maresca defined as "unfounded". "The Court of Florence - he added - has in fact already considered that there is no conflict between the sentence that convicted Guede and the one that definitively acquitted Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito, and in any case his position remains main [most serious, grave] even compared to the initial three defendants. There is no contradiction regarding him."


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 1:19 am   Post subject: Re: XXIX. MAIN DISCUSSION, AUG 1 -   

So its the Fifth Chambers again. How did THAT happen? I wonder!!

Frankly I find Maresca's reaction rather silly if there's a shot at exposing the other two.

Maresca seems to have become rather timid of them and I know the prosecution think he pulled his punches after Nencini.

He could have appealed the ridiculous Boninsegna outcome (another mafia triumph, he was moved from Calabria to Florence to separate him from his mafia chums but still helps out) but he didnt.

He could even have tried to appeal Marasca/Bruno but didnt.

I wonder what is eating him?! Good work on populating the Wiki though.
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