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XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30, 13 - JULY 31, 14

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 6:13 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

zorba wrote:
I thought the photos show what she and her co-conspirators always try to hide, that is in fact, images of her looking affected.

As in truth, nothing at all what she did when it was clearly acting, like it was in court, and everywhere else for that matter, did show any of what is real about her, where she looked affected it was acting.


I always thought of St Amanda as someone who would look "naturally" affected even when she was alone with no one else around.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 1:52 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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I got my copy of 'Misleading DNA Evidence' by Gill. Errors there are a plenty, but I'll write on them soonest. He may not be expressing an opinion on guilt or innocence, but he's slanting that way.

Note:

- The knife wasn't transported in a "shoe box" from Sollecito's apartment, but a box that used to contain a diary. No contamination path for how Meredith's DNA shown, even for "contamination" which is what he's suggesting..

- The knife wasn't chosen on a "policeman's hunch", but because
a) It was exceptionally clean, as if someone had made an effort to rigorously scrub it.
b) it had longitudinal scratches along half it's length
c) the apartment smelled of bleach
d) The imprint of a knife on Meredith's bed matched the shape and dimensions of a kitchen knife, so a trained investigator would look for a kitchen, not bread knife, duh.

- He acknowledges the bra clasp has "probative value" but farts around with "kicked around" etc like any FOA.
- Too many ifs and possibles.

Stay in the Ivory Tower, Professor Gill.


Thank you Ergon. I thought that much after listening to the interview that someone posted on .org and Twitter. He repeats FOA lies and did not take the time to do the basic fact checking.

Whatever his past achievements, they will now forever be associated with his biased advocacy for Amanda Knox.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 2:39 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Malvern posted an interesting comment on .org which I will quote here:

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Re: XXXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 27, 2014 -
by malvern » 08 Jul 2014, 00:59

Probably part of the message is that AK pays money that she truly owes. Not like her debt to Lumumba which she figures shouldn't be expected. James has the same smile with no words in most of the shots. Like waiting for the camera cue, do I reach up now and take the money she is fanning out now, have we got the shot yet?Looks like they are no longer a couple. I would guess that the relationship is over he looks done and has agreed to pose for her and show support or pity .


I too am under the impression that they are no longer a couple. I find malvern's thoughts about the latest photo shoot in the park very interesting even though we cannot be sure what her motive was.

Should it have been Knox's intention to show she pays back her debts than this is the worst timing I have ever seen. Paying someone $100 in a park after having been linked to a cocaine dealer is clumsy to say the least.

Who knows how her mind works? None of us will probably be able to understand what goes on inside her because we are normal.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 3:27 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Thanks, Nell, I read Professor Gill's book through (got it today, but it's a slim 174 pages).

Yes, he didn't do basic fact checking, just passed opinions on documents handed to him, sheesh.

And most jarring of all: the title of his chapter on Meredith Kercher misspells her name as "Meridith". His list of Key Reports on page 136 are:

1. The Massei Report (from the Wiki)
2. Conti/Vechiotti Report (FOA translation)
3. The Hellmann Report (FOA translation)
4. The Galati-Costagliola appeal (FOA translation)
5. The Supreme Court of Cassation Motivations Report (except it's not available, he says, even though his book was published in June 2014 and we had the translation up on September 09, 2013. Oh, well, I can see why he neglected to read the judges reasoning)

He sorta agrees with Balding the bra clasp indicates Sollecito, but then tries to downplay it, says Conti-Vecchiotti made fair criticism" :) and quotes an unnamed author (source: Amanda Knox's website) revealing a two person DNA mixture on 36-I of the knife "attributed by the prosecution to Amanda Knox and another individual".

Ahem, didn't we already have other academics 'who made claims without bothering to verify himself'? (Kassin, Hampikian)
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 7:28 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Ergon wrote:
Re The DM thing, very 'staged' it looks like. She's posing for the camera she knows is there.


Hello,
I haven't checked in for a while but I wanted to chime in that I agree 100% that Daily Mail article was staged as well. Disgusting manipulation by PR. That "world exclusive" couldn't have been more obvious as a PR stunt for sympathy. Pathetic.

http://www.examiner.com/article/amanda- ... b_articles


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 8:51 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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I haven't checked in for a while but I wanted to chime in that I agree 100% that Daily Mail article was staged as well. Disgusting manipulation by PR. That "world exclusive" couldn't have been more obvious as a PR stunt for sympathy. Pathetic.


Hi Astro. I agree, the photos look staged. After all, Knox has been trotting around Seattle every day for years now and with a very few exceptions, we haven't gotten pap photos of her daily antics. Why this, why now? I think we're supposed to think that the British media dispatched commissioned a pap crew because of the recent developments from Camp Sollecito and they wanted to capture how Knox was responding to that. That may actually be true, but it doesn't change the fact that the pictures look kind of staged. It also raises the question of why, if it was for real, Knox and BF didn't have their meeting in n apartment or somewhere else more private instead of a public park. The other question I'm struggling with, is the question of what they hoped to achieve by it. Some of us have offered tentative guesses, but they don't seem fully explanatory.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 9:40 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Ironic thought for the day: If the Melloxi had not been so conditioned by their own domestic system where money buys you everything, they may instead have opted for a court appointed lawyer and gotten Maresca, along with saving themselves a heap of money. The Italian system is not the same as the American system where Public Defender = crap. The Italians give you a top level lawyer (as is the case in the UK). This fight has only cost them as much money as it has because they "chose" the expensive route.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 12:42 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Attention seeking? Response to our jokes about JT? Look, he STILL is my boy friend? It all is Kabuki.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 1:21 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Hi everybody,

I've just posted the Raffaele Sollecito interview, which he gave in November 2013 to the Giallo magazine, to the In Their Own Words subforum (if anyone would like to re-read it -->> viewtopic.php?p=116515#p116515).

Somebody should remind Sollecito of what he said to journalists from Giallo back then, about the night of November 1, 2007. I think it's safe to say that we've lost count of all his multiple versions of events of that night:

Let's go back to that terrible night. What do you remember? "In the afternoon [of the 1st of November] we had been to Amanda's house. We had lunch and she had practiced her guitar, she was trying to learn some songs of the Beatles. Around 17.30 we went to my house, we watched a movie and then we met a friend of mine who needed a ride to the bus station. We had a snack because Amanda would have had to go to work in Patrick’s bar. Then came a text message, telling her that she was free [for the night].


P. 2 -->> viewtopic.php?p=115067#p115067

"It made us both happy because we could be together: so we cooked dinner quietly. A fresh sea bass. The recipe calls for potatoes and Amanda had just sliced them with the famous knife that today is evidence against her at the new trial. Then we continued the evening and we hadn't moved [an inch] from my home."


P. 3 -->> viewtopic.php?p=115069#p115069

Not a word about the text message allegedly received by Amanda Knox when she was out, not a word about her absence in the early evening.... Really, Sollecito, get your act together and spare us your lies!
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 2:04 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

guermantes wrote:
Hi everybody,

I've just posted the Raffaele Sollecito interview, which he gave in November 2013 to the Giallo magazine, to the In Their Own Words subforum (if anyone would like to re-read it -->> viewtopic.php?p=116515#p116515).

Somebody should remind Sollecito of what he said to journalists from Giallo back then, about the night of November 1, 2007. I think it's safe to say that we've lost count of all his multiple versions of events of that night:

Let's go back to that terrible night. What do you remember? "In the afternoon [of the 1st of November] we had been to Amanda's house. We had lunch and she had practiced her guitar, she was trying to learn some songs of the Beatles. Around 17.30 we went to my house, we watched a movie and then we met a friend of mine who needed a ride to the bus station. We had a snack because Amanda would have had to go to work in Patrick’s bar. Then came a text message, telling her that she was free [for the night].


P. 2 -->> viewtopic.php?p=115067#p115067

"It made us both happy because we could be together: so we cooked dinner quietly. A fresh sea bass. The recipe calls for potatoes and Amanda had just sliced them with the famous knife that today is evidence against her at the new trial. Then we continued the evening and we hadn't moved [an inch] from my home."


P. 3 -->> viewtopic.php?p=115069#p115069

Not a word about the text message allegedly received by Amanda Knox when she was out, not a word about her absence in the early evening.... Really, Sollecito, get your act together and spare us your lies!


Thank you Guermantes. Very interesting indeed.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 2:24 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

guermantes wrote:
Hi everybody,

I've just posted the Raffaele Sollecito interview, which he gave in November 2013 to the Giallo magazine, to the In Their Own Words subforum (if anyone would like to re-read it -->> viewtopic.php?p=116515#p116515).

Somebody should remind Sollecito of what he said to journalists from Giallo back then, about the night of November 1, 2007. I think it's safe to say that we've lost count of all his multiple versions of events of that night:

Let's go back to that terrible night. What do you remember? "In the afternoon [of the 1st of November] we had been to Amanda's house. We had lunch and she had practiced her guitar, she was trying to learn some songs of the Beatles. Around 17.30 we went to my house, we watched a movie and then we met a friend of mine who needed a ride to the bus station. We had a snack because Amanda would have had to go to work in Patrick’s bar. Then came a text message, telling her that she was free [for the night].


P. 2 -->> viewtopic.php?p=115067#p115067

"It made us both happy because we could be together: so we cooked dinner quietly. A fresh sea bass. The recipe calls for potatoes and Amanda had just sliced them with the famous knife that today is evidence against her at the new trial. Then we continued the evening and we hadn't moved [an inch] from my home."


P. 3 -->> viewtopic.php?p=115069#p115069

Not a word about the text message allegedly received by Amanda Knox when she was out, not a word about her absence in the early evening.... Really, Sollecito, get your act together and spare us your lies!


Very interesting, thanks for sharing! Amanda and Raffaele lie and lie and lie without conscience. Raffaele slips up more than knoxii but both of their lies are obvious. Her PR has been getting more and more outrageous with their lies lately is seems and bloggers lying for them.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 2:27 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Cristina Magnani targeted on Bruce Fischer's forum Injustice Anywhere

When everything else fails ... stalking is the answer on Bruce Fischer's forum.

Sometimes I forget that Injustice Anywhere is an organisation (lol) to fight injustice.

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There is more information published about her on IA, like her business and other personal information.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 2:31 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Speaking of lies. I came across this old pic of the 'couple' look how they're 'holding hands.' Do people in love hold hands like this? lol I don't think they were ever a couple. Just another lie. Any pic of them together looks like a paid PR prop.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 3:37 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Thanks for the links, everyone. I see that Bruce Fischer still has his GoFundMe link for Raffaele Sollecito up, so I guess everything's fine between the two camps?

Or did they remove access to THAT account as well? That is an unkind thought, snort.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 4:09 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Hi, Astro, tomorrow is Knox's birthday. Change of residence in year to come? I ran a Knox Horary chart for 11:59 PM Toronto July 08. Grand square with Mars in 7th opposition Uranus shows many more shocks to the system from Sollecito.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 5:10 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

New blog post by Lisa Marie Basile - a reply to her critics, I guess:

July 7, 2014
Almost Everything You've Read About Amanda Knox Is Wrong

When I wrote the May 2014 piece Where Are All The Feminists? Why Amanda Knox's Story Is About More Than Murder, I was well aware of how deeply polarizing this case has been over the past several years. This is evidenced by the many inaccurate pieces written on the Meredith Kercher murder, and for me, Selene Nelson's obtuse Huffington Post response, Why Feminists Owe Amanda Knox Nothing.
...
After publishing my piece, I have received a number of irrational, abusive tweets from anonymous Twitter handles (with suspiciously low followers) saying, "do your research" or "you're working for Knox's PR team." These tweets would be amusing (trolls are like bad TV) if they weren't such a vivid representation of malignant ignorance. Sending batty tweets and writing parochial articles in the name of justice for Kercher's death is wrong. If you have a bone to pick and you're using abusive tactics, don't do it for the dead.

Those that run anti-Knox sites -- whose misinformation clearly fed Nelson's righteous response -- host, as investigative journalist Nina Burleigh wrote, "extremely active avatars, many proclaiming to be lawyers, forensic experts, criminologists, but who never reveal their true identities" -- are even worse.


THE HUFFINGTON POST
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 6:52 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Nell wrote:
Cristina Magnani targeted on Bruce Fischer's forum Injustice Anywhere

When everything else fails ... stalking is the answer on Bruce Fischer's forum.

Sometimes I forget that Injustice Anywhere is an organisation (lol) to fight injustice.

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There is more information published about her on IA, like her business and other personal information.


Who is this woman and why are the after her?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 6:55 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Ergon wrote:
Hi, Astro, tomorrow is Knox's birthday. Change of residence in year to come? I ran a Knox Horary chart for 11:59 PM Toronto July 08. Grand square with Mars in 7th opposition Uranus shows many more shocks to the system from Sollecito.


Solar return article about knoxy here
http://www.astrologer-nyc.com/solarretu ... D4.twitter

I'm going with her not leaving the US this SR year but maybe next year based on just this. She is in for a difficult year for sure.
It crossed my mind that she might check out but then I thought better of it knowing her.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 8:24 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

astro wrote:
Ergon wrote:
Hi, Astro, tomorrow is Knox's birthday. Change of residence in year to come? I ran a Knox Horary chart for 11:59 PM Toronto July 08. Grand square with Mars in 7th opposition Uranus shows many more shocks to the system from Sollecito.


Solar return article about knoxy here
http://www.astrologer-nyc.com/solarretu ... D4.twitter

I'm going with her not leaving the US this SR year but maybe next year based on just this. She is in for a difficult year for sure.
It crossed my mind that she might check out but then I thought better of it knowing her.



Thanks Astro. I have to say, all of the astrological readings so far have been dead on!

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 8:26 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Astro wrote:
Who is this woman and why are the after her?


She's a Sollecito cousin/aunt, I think. She's family.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 8:27 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

guermantes wrote:
New blog post by Lisa Marie Basile - a reply to her critics, I guess:

July 7, 2014
Almost Everything You've Read About Amanda Knox Is Wrong

When I wrote the May 2014 piece Where Are All The Feminists? Why Amanda Knox's Story Is About More Than Murder, I was well aware of how deeply polarizing this case has been over the past several years. This is evidenced by the many inaccurate pieces written on the Meredith Kercher murder, and for me, Selene Nelson's obtuse Huffington Post response, Why Feminists Owe Amanda Knox Nothing.
...
After publishing my piece, I have received a number of irrational, abusive tweets from anonymous Twitter handles (with suspiciously low followers) saying, "do your research" or "you're working for Knox's PR team." These tweets would be amusing (trolls are like bad TV) if they weren't such a vivid representation of malignant ignorance. Sending batty tweets and writing parochial articles in the name of justice for Kercher's death is wrong. If you have a bone to pick and you're using abusive tactics, don't do it for the dead.

Those that run anti-Knox sites -- whose misinformation clearly fed Nelson's righteous response -- host, as investigative journalist Nina Burleigh wrote, "extremely active avatars, many proclaiming to be lawyers, forensic experts, criminologists, but who never reveal their true identities" -- are even worse.


THE HUFFINGTON POST



What an obtuse and obnoxious woman.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 8:38 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

astro wrote:
Who is this woman and why are the after her?


Hi Astro,

Cristina Magnani is a close friend of the Sollecitos. Some say she is a cousin of Raffaele Sollecito. I don't know if that is true.

She has exchanged a lot of tweets with Sollecito's aunt on Twitter (Sara Achille @Sara_Achille), both agreeing that Amanda Knox's supporters are damaging Sollecito's case.

The reason why Magnani is being targeted by the FOA is because she propagated unflattering details about holes in Knox's story and Sollecito's separation strategy in particular.

She was also of the opinion that Knox had lied to Sollecito, insinuating she could have been involved in the murder. Magnani portrays Sollecito as Knox's unsuspecting victim, dragged into the case by his association to her.

This is seen as backstabbing by Knox's supporters and they have targeted Cristina Magnani ever since trying to convince her that her comments are damaging to both, Sollecito and Knox. This was to no avail and things have escalated. Sara Achille's privileges as administrator of the Facebook group Honor Bound were revoked by Sarah Snyder and Bruce Fischer (later reinstated after Achille made this public) and we have witnessed heated exchanges on Twitter between Sara Achille, Cristina Magnani and Amanda Knox supporter with insults on both sides.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 8:51 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

It appears that Douglas Preston has another fight on his hands, being one of those caught in the crossfire between Amazon and the major book publishing houses. He is helping lead a campaign on the part of the authors who are being caught in the crossfire. I think causes such as this are far more worthy of his attention then attempting to fictionalise a real-life murder case for personal gain at the expense of its victims:

Amazon entices authors as fight with Hachette drags on

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 12:23 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Michael wrote:
guermantes wrote:
New blog post by Lisa Marie Basile - a reply to her critics, I guess:

July 7, 2014
Almost Everything You've Read About Amanda Knox Is Wrong

When I wrote the May 2014 piece Where Are All The Feminists? Why Amanda Knox's Story Is About More Than Murder, I was well aware of how deeply polarizing this case has been over the past several years. This is evidenced by the many inaccurate pieces written on the Meredith Kercher murder, and for me, Selene Nelson's obtuse Huffington Post response, Why Feminists Owe Amanda Knox Nothing.
...
After publishing my piece, I have received a number of irrational, abusive tweets from anonymous Twitter handles (with suspiciously low followers) saying, "do your research" or "you're working for Knox's PR team." These tweets would be amusing (trolls are like bad TV) if they weren't such a vivid representation of malignant ignorance. Sending batty tweets and writing parochial articles in the name of justice for Kercher's death is wrong. If you have a bone to pick and you're using abusive tactics, don't do it for the dead.

Those that run anti-Knox sites -- whose misinformation clearly fed Nelson's righteous response -- host, as investigative journalist Nina Burleigh wrote, "extremely active avatars, many proclaiming to be lawyers, forensic experts, criminologists, but who never reveal their true identities" -- are even worse.


THE HUFFINGTON POST



What an obtuse and obnoxious woman.


Apologies if this is posted already but Chelsea Hoffman has invited Lisa on her new U tube show Case to Case . It airs this Sunday at 6pm. Lisa no doubt would rather just focus on feminism, but will have to justify her very vocal support of the defendant with Chelsea.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 12:46 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Hi Malvern. And she's accepted the invitation?

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Looks like it Michael Chelsea has on her site that she will be speaking one on one with blogger poet Lisa B for her first broadcast. I see Chelsea is also trying to get Jim Clemente to commit to a future program based on her tweets to him. Think he said he is too busy though.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 1:37 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Nell wrote:
The very capable managing director of Injustice Anywhere, Bruce Fischer, has forgotten to pay for his domain name renewal.

Shame.


Hi Nell

Sharp eyes. But as I found out (to my great relief) theres a one month grace period before anyone else can grab a website name. The link at bottom right suggests he's within that period. (Pity.)

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 1:40 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

I suspected and was right the misaerable blog is back up today. Marriott must have thought birthday wishes and thoughts of cake would help with the devastating week Ak has had.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 1:52 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Nell wrote:
astro wrote:
Who is this woman and why are the after her?


Hi Astro,

Cristina Magnani is a close friend of the Sollecitos. Some say she is a cousin of Raffaele Sollecito. I don't know if that is true.

She has exchanged a lot of tweets with Sollecito's aunt on Twitter (Sara Achille @Sara_Achille), both agreeing that Amanda Knox's supporters are damaging Sollecito's case.

The reason why Magnani is being targeted by the FOA is because she propagated unflattering details about holes in Knox's story and Sollecito's separation strategy in particular.

She was also of the opinion that Knox had lied to Sollecito, insinuating she could have been involved in the murder. Magnani portrays Sollecito as Knox's unsuspecting victim, dragged into the case by his association to her.

This is seen as backstabbing by Knox's supporters and they have targeted Cristina Magnani ever since trying to convince her that her comments are damaging to both, Sollecito and Knox. This was to no avail and things have escalated. Sara Achille's privileges as administrator of the Facebook group Honor Bound were revoked by Sarah Snyder and Bruce Fischer (later reinstated after Achille made this public) and we have witnessed heated exchanges on Twitter between Sara Achille, Cristina Magnani and Amanda Knox supporter with insults on both sides.


Things have forever been touchy between the two perps and their familes and forces. For the most part AK trying to cling (to get that alibi) and RS tending to be cold and pulling away. Muchos instances.

Guede and RS have always come across to me like they did not bargain on being involved in a murder.

The RS book written on the west coast in English and stuffed with FOA mantras essentially reflects the FOA strategy (demonize 1/2 of Italy and lash RS more tightly to AK).

It does not reflect the Bongiorno strategy, which was to leave AK to dangle and make nice to Italy. My guess is Bongiorno is really ticked at that book - RS too now.

I think FOA manipulation of the contents of RS's book was THE bridge too far. RS's family are indeed very angry.

RS & Gumbel will go to trial soon on the claims in his book, at the worst time for him, before Cassation pronounces.

It would have been greatly to his and Bongiorno’s advantage that Knox’s book trial is staged in parallel or comes first, and all her nasty charges and smears of Italy are out there for the Italian public.

His painting of a target on AKs back from Rome may be in part to fastforward a hard look at the AK book and take the heat off his book.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 1:58 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Fast Pete wrote:
Nell wrote:
The very capable managing director of Injustice Anywhere, Bruce Fischer, has forgotten to pay for his domain name renewal.

Shame.


Hi Nell

Sharp eyes. But as I found out (to my great relief) theres a one month grace period before anyone else can grab a website name. The link at bottom right suggests he's within that period. (Pity.)

Pete


Hi Pete,

I know. He is not going to let the domain name expire.

What I find so extraordinary is that he is not able to set a reminder in his calendar to do it the right way like any other normal person. What does that say about him?

We have a few posts on .net concerning the FOA letting accidentally expire their domain names and/or web-hosting. It's embarrassing.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 2:07 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

malvern wrote:
I suspected and was right the misaerable blog is back up today. Marriott must have thought birthday wishes and thoughts of cake would help with the devastating week Ak has had.


On Twitter, her supporters are asking for donations "in celebration of her birthday".

She goes begging for money at every opportunity she's given.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 2:25 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Fast Pete wrote:
Nell wrote:
astro wrote:
Who is this woman and why are the after her?


Hi Astro,

Cristina Magnani is a close friend of the Sollecitos. Some say she is a cousin of Raffaele Sollecito. I don't know if that is true.

She has exchanged a lot of tweets with Sollecito's aunt on Twitter (Sara Achille @Sara_Achille), both agreeing that Amanda Knox's supporters are damaging Sollecito's case.

The reason why Magnani is being targeted by the FOA is because she propagated unflattering details about holes in Knox's story and Sollecito's separation strategy in particular.

She was also of the opinion that Knox had lied to Sollecito, insinuating she could have been involved in the murder. Magnani portrays Sollecito as Knox's unsuspecting victim, dragged into the case by his association to her.

This is seen as backstabbing by Knox's supporters and they have targeted Cristina Magnani ever since trying to convince her that her comments are damaging to both, Sollecito and Knox. This was to no avail and things have escalated. Sara Achille's privileges as administrator of the Facebook group Honor Bound were revoked by Sarah Snyder and Bruce Fischer (later reinstated after Achille made this public) and we have witnessed heated exchanges on Twitter between Sara Achille, Cristina Magnani and Amanda Knox supporter with insults on both sides.


Things have forever been touchy between the two perps and their familes and forces. For the most part AK trying to cling (to get that alibi) and RS tending to be cold and pulling away. Muchos instances.

Guede and RS have always come across to me like they did not bargain on being involved in a murder.

The RS book written on the west coast in English and stuffed with FOA mantras essentially reflects the FOA strategy (demonize 1/2 of Italy and lash RS more tightly to AK).

It does not reflect the Bongiorno strategy, which was to leave AK to dangle and make nice to Italy. My guess is Bongiorno is really ticked at that book - RS too now.

I think FOA manipulation of the contents of RS's book was THE bridge too far. RS's family are indeed very angry.

RS & Gumbel will go to trial soon on the claims in his book, at the worst time for him, before Cassation pronounces.

It would have been greatly to his and Bongiorno’s advantage that Knox’s book trial is staged in parallel or comes first, and all her nasty charges and smears of Italy are out there for the Italian public.

His painting of a target on AKs back from Rome may be in part to fastforward a hard look at the AK book and take the heat off his book.


Your comment is very insightful.

I am under the impression that Bongiorno's defence strategy gained acceptance with Sollecito only recently when she made him see how much Amanda Knox and her supporters have burdened him.

There was a clear change of heart from Raffaele Sollecito and I don't think it's only cowardice for facing serious jail time, it's also because he is disillusioned with Knox over the way she treated him since their release.

I am curious to learn why Knox is not in the crosshairs for all the libellous claims she published in her book? Why Sollecito but not Knox? I assume it can only be a matter of time until she will have to face the consequences of her doing.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 2:52 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Nell wrote:
Fast Pete wrote:
Nell wrote:
The very capable managing director of Injustice Anywhere, Bruce Fischer, has forgotten to pay for his domain name renewal.

Shame.


Hi Nell

Sharp eyes. But as I found out (to my great relief) theres a one month grace period before anyone else can grab a website name. The link at bottom right suggests he's within that period. (Pity.)

Pete


Hi Pete,

I know. He is not going to let the domain name expire.

What I find so extraordinary is that he is not able to set a reminder in his calendar to do it the right way like any other normal person. What does that say about him?

We have a few posts on .net concerning the FOA letting accidentally expire their domain names and/or web-hosting. It's embarrassing.


In addition to the above, I noticed that Bruce Fischer/Sarah Snyder on Twitter are now pointing followers to .org instead of .com. So apparently they will let the .com domain expire.

On his other website I-A.org, the link to his forum points to IAF.org and not .com, but if you do a Google search, he did own and mainly used the .com domain. All these links are dead now. I remember we wondered about this here on the forum once as .com domains are usually for commercial purposes and .org for organisations.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 3:00 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

malvern wrote:
Looks like it Michael Chelsea has on her site that she will be speaking one on one with blogger poet Lisa B for her first broadcast. I see Chelsea is also trying to get Jim Clemente to commit to a future program based on her tweets to him. Think he said he is too busy though.


Thanks, Malvern, we'll keep our eyes open for it.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 3:03 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Nell wrote:
malvern wrote:
I suspected and was right the misaerable blog is back up today. Marriott must have thought birthday wishes and thoughts of cake would help with the devastating week Ak has had.


On Twitter, her supporters are asking for donations "in celebration of her birthday".

She goes begging for money at every opportunity she's given.



Maybe also on Twitter, it could be pointed out that millions of other Twitter users also have Birthdays, but they don't seem to think the world owes them something "just because". What makes Knox so damned special?

When a $4 million book deal just isn't enough...

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 3:15 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Nell wrote:
Fast Pete wrote:
Nell wrote:
astro wrote:
Who is this woman and why are the after her?


Hi Astro,

Cristina Magnani is a close friend of the Sollecitos. Some say she is a cousin of Raffaele Sollecito. I don't know if that is true.

She has exchanged a lot of tweets with Sollecito's aunt on Twitter (Sara Achille @Sara_Achille), both agreeing that Amanda Knox's supporters are damaging Sollecito's case.

The reason why Magnani is being targeted by the FOA is because she propagated unflattering details about holes in Knox's story and Sollecito's separation strategy in particular.

She was also of the opinion that Knox had lied to Sollecito, insinuating she could have been involved in the murder. Magnani portrays Sollecito as Knox's unsuspecting victim, dragged into the case by his association to her.

This is seen as backstabbing by Knox's supporters and they have targeted Cristina Magnani ever since trying to convince her that her comments are damaging to both, Sollecito and Knox. This was to no avail and things have escalated. Sara Achille's privileges as administrator of the Facebook group Honor Bound were revoked by Sarah Snyder and Bruce Fischer (later reinstated after Achille made this public) and we have witnessed heated exchanges on Twitter between Sara Achille, Cristina Magnani and Amanda Knox supporter with insults on both sides.


Things have forever been touchy between the two perps and their familes and forces. For the most part AK trying to cling (to get that alibi) and RS tending to be cold and pulling away. Muchos instances.

Guede and RS have always come across to me like they did not bargain on being involved in a murder.

The RS book written on the west coast in English and stuffed with FOA mantras essentially reflects the FOA strategy (demonize 1/2 of Italy and lash RS more tightly to AK).

It does not reflect the Bongiorno strategy, which was to leave AK to dangle and make nice to Italy. My guess is Bongiorno is really ticked at that book - RS too now.

I think FOA manipulation of the contents of RS's book was THE bridge too far. RS's family are indeed very angry.

RS & Gumbel will go to trial soon on the claims in his book, at the worst time for him, before Cassation pronounces.

It would have been greatly to his and Bongiorno’s advantage that Knox’s book trial is staged in parallel or comes first, and all her nasty charges and smears of Italy are out there for the Italian public.

His painting of a target on AKs back from Rome may be in part to fastforward a hard look at the AK book and take the heat off his book.


Your comment is very insightful.

I am under the impression that Bongiorno's defence strategy gained acceptance with Sollecito only recently when she made him see how much Amanda Knox and her supporters have burdened him.

There was a clear change of heart from Raffaele Sollecito and I don't think it's only cowardice for facing serious jail time, it's also because he is disillusioned with Knox over the way she treated him since their release.

I am curious to learn why Knox is not in the crosshairs for all the libellous claims she published in her book? Why Sollecito but not Knox? I assume it can only be a matter of time until she will have to face the consequences of her doing.



In addition, Sollecito getting his lifetime family lawyer on board, who always thought the Knox and Sollecito defences being entwined was the wrong strategy, played no small part in it. Moreover, losing your second appeal (and last appeal on the evidence) can also do wonders for making one re-evaluate ones defence strategy.

It must be remembered, Sollecito always had the option to change strategy whilst Knox never has, she's welded to him for her alibi. So, it was always inevitable he would change once he finally fully realised his original strategy was going to get him nowhere. The only thing that surprises me is that he waited so long. His fault, strategically speaking, was that he put all of his mind to walking away scott free and as some sort of a hero, instead of being willing to try and cop for lesser charges. "Honour Bound" was the right title for his book, in my opinion, since whilst not concerned about Knox's honour, he certainly cares about his own in the eyes of the world. He wanted to win and to be seen by the world as the hero that allowed himself to become a victim in order to save the girl. It's called wanting to have your cake and eat it.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 3:16 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

I've sent a tweet to Charles Mudede saying I'd like him to write an article about the media blackout in Seattle concerning any negative news about Amanda Knox. Please retweet. Thanks.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 3:34 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Speaking of Knox's upcoming Birthday. Considering the fact that bad news regarding the case for her or/and Sollecito seems to come out on their Birthdays, her Birthday must now be something for her to dread :)

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 3:52 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Nell wrote:
astro wrote:
Who is this woman and why are the after her?


Hi Astro,

Cristina Magnani is a close friend of the Sollecitos. Some say she is a cousin of Raffaele Sollecito. I don't know if that is true.

She has exchanged a lot of tweets with Sollecito's aunt on Twitter (Sara Achille @Sara_Achille), both agreeing that Amanda Knox's supporters are damaging Sollecito's case.

The reason why Magnani is being targeted by the FOA is because she propagated unflattering details about holes in Knox's story and Sollecito's separation strategy in particular.

She was also of the opinion that Knox had lied to Sollecito, insinuating she could have been involved in the murder. Magnani portrays Sollecito as Knox's unsuspecting victim, dragged into the case by his association to her.

This is seen as backstabbing by Knox's supporters and they have targeted Cristina Magnani ever since trying to convince her that her comments are damaging to both, Sollecito and Knox. This was to no avail and things have escalated. Sara Achille's privileges as administrator of the Facebook group Honor Bound were revoked by Sarah Snyder and Bruce Fischer (later reinstated after Achille made this public) and we have witnessed heated exchanges on Twitter between Sara Achille, Cristina Magnani and Amanda Knox supporter with insults on both sides.


Thank you for the explanation! Its difficult to keep up with this soap opera sometimes.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 4:01 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Michael wrote:
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Hi, Astro, tomorrow is Knox's birthday. Change of residence in year to come? I ran a Knox Horary chart for 11:59 PM Toronto July 08. Grand square with Mars in 7th opposition Uranus shows many more shocks to the system from Sollecito.


Solar return article about knoxy here
http://www.astrologer-nyc.com/solarretu ... D4.twitter

I'm going with her not leaving the US this SR year but maybe next year based on just this. She is in for a difficult year for sure.
It crossed my mind that she might check out but then I thought better of it knowing her.



Thanks Astro. I have to say, all of the astrological readings so far have been dead on!



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 4:49 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Nell wrote:
Fast Pete wrote:
Nell wrote:
astro wrote:
Who is this woman and why are the after her?


Hi Astro,

Cristina Magnani is a close friend of the Sollecitos. Some say she is a cousin of Raffaele Sollecito. I don't know if that is true.

She has exchanged a lot of tweets with Sollecito's aunt on Twitter (Sara Achille @Sara_Achille), both agreeing that Amanda Knox's supporters are damaging Sollecito's case.

The reason why Magnani is being targeted by the FOA is because she propagated unflattering details about holes in Knox's story and Sollecito's separation strategy in particular.

She was also of the opinion that Knox had lied to Sollecito, insinuating she could have been involved in the murder. Magnani portrays Sollecito as Knox's unsuspecting victim, dragged into the case by his association to her.

This is seen as backstabbing by Knox's supporters and they have targeted Cristina Magnani ever since trying to convince her that her comments are damaging to both, Sollecito and Knox. This was to no avail and things have escalated. Sara Achille's privileges as administrator of the Facebook group Honor Bound were revoked by Sarah Snyder and Bruce Fischer (later reinstated after Achille made this public) and we have witnessed heated exchanges on Twitter between Sara Achille, Cristina Magnani and Amanda Knox supporter with insults on both sides.


Things have forever been touchy between the two perps and their familes and forces. For the most part AK trying to cling (to get that alibi) and RS tending to be cold and pulling away. Muchos instances.

Guede and RS have always come across to me like they did not bargain on being involved in a murder.

The RS book written on the west coast in English and stuffed with FOA mantras essentially reflects the FOA strategy (demonize 1/2 of Italy and lash RS more tightly to AK).

It does not reflect the Bongiorno strategy, which was to leave AK to dangle and make nice to Italy. My guess is Bongiorno is really ticked at that book - RS too now.

I think FOA manipulation of the contents of RS's book was THE bridge too far. RS's family are indeed very angry.

RS & Gumbel will go to trial soon on the claims in his book, at the worst time for him, before Cassation pronounces.

It would have been greatly to his and Bongiorno’s advantage that Knox’s book trial is staged in parallel or comes first, and all her nasty charges and smears of Italy are out there for the Italian public.

His painting of a target on AKs back from Rome may be in part to fastforward a hard look at the AK book and take the heat off his book.


Your comment is very insightful.

I am under the impression that Bongiorno's defence strategy gained acceptance with Sollecito only recently when she made him see how much Amanda Knox and her supporters have burdened him.

There was a clear change of heart from Raffaele Sollecito and I don't think it's only cowardice for facing serious jail time, it's also because he is disillusioned with Knox over the way she treated him since their release.

I am curious to learn why Knox is not in the crosshairs for all the libellous claims she published in her book? Why Sollecito but not Knox? I assume it can only be a matter of time until she will have to face the consequences of her doing.


Hi Nell

Not too obviously, but Sollecito kept his distance from AK from 2009 through 2011. During the 2011 appeal two astonishing things happened.

Knox publicly pleaded for a private meeting with Sollecito (denied) and Bongiorno suddenly began defending Knox (by painting her as Jessica Rabbit!!).

After release Sollecito warmed to AK again and made those trips to Seattle. His father firmly said "its over with Knox" but RS did not get the message.

Soon the entire Sollecito family was on a plane to Perugia to drag him home again. Where any of them met was kept a deep deep secret.

Then the book which came out late 2012 (which as I said took the FOA line not the Bongiorno line) and the daffy book tour. In 2013 a little bit and in 2014 especially they were back to pulling apart again as we just saw.

On the status of the Knox book:

There has so far been less legal movement. This is like a huge dagger over her head, pending. The book was expurgated in a hurry just before publishing and the UK and Italian editions were cancelled.

But it still contains a large number of crazy charges which make both AK and RS look worse in both legal and public eyes. For example this framing of Mignini could land Knox with more time back in prison than her framing of Patrick.

http://truejustice.org/ee/index.php?/tj ... rrogation/

Also Knox was responsible for several interviews in Oggi based on her book. This is why the investigation and first charges for those first were requested of the Bergamo prosecutor, where Oggi has its head office.

A FULL complaint against the Knox book has not yet been lodged, in part because Knox with her crazy website and TV claims and email to Judge Nencini is helpfully digging herself in deeper. She sure irritated Judge Nencini.

The statute of limitations clock on AKs book only starts running when what is in the book “comes to the attention of” all of those Knox impugned - and there are a lot impugned, as the Interrogation Hoax series over on TJMK will be showing.

Most of them dont read much English, so in most cases they dont even know at the moment what has been put out about them by Knox and crazies like Moore & Fischer.

Knox herself will also face calunnia charges in Florence for her false accusations of those who sat with her on 5-6 Nov 2007 at the questura.

Dalla Vedova thought he was smart a couple of years ago in asking for that trial to be in Florence. He thought all the Florence prosecutors were gunning for Mignini, not just one rogue prosecutor since chastized by the Supreme Court.

If Knox really better off being tried in hard-line Florence? I would not have thought so.

Everybody foolish enough to jump the gun in rabid support of the two perps should have this tatooed on their foreheads:

"Italian justice comes in three acts and it isnt over till the fat lady sings".
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 8:08 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Hi Michael

I do see above that you also posted on the quarrelsome pair. Good post.

More on the books. NOBODY knows yet except possibly RS and Gumbel exactly what statements are being targeted in RS's and AK's books with the exceptions of (1) Sollecito's claim that the prosecution sought a deal, and (2) Knox's claim that Mignini forced her into her "confession" at a time when he wasnt even at the police station.

But the books are certainly target-rich environments. Charges will be both defamation of justice officials and villependio which is defamation of the system.

The Florence and Bergam chief prosecutors have never released the complaints - they have no intention of giving the defenses and especially the PR any headstart.

While prison is unlikely fines and awards could be huge and most importantly all of the wild claims of the FOA throughout the books will have to be either proven true or a proven crime.

This will open the way to suits against the publishers and wild-eyed serial liars like Fischer.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 10:01 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Fast Pete wrote:
Hi Michael

I do see above that you also posted on the quarrelsome pair. Good post.

More on the books. NOBODY knows yet except possibly RS and Gumbel exactly what statements are being targeted in RS's and AK's books with the exceptions of (1) Sollecito's claim that the prosecution sought a deal, and (2) Knox's claim that Mignini forced her into her "confession" at a time when he wasnt even at the police station.

But the books are certainly target-rich environments. Charges will be both defamation of justice officials and villependio which is defamation of the system.

The Florence and Bergam chief prosecutors have never released the complaints - they have no intention of giving the defenses and especially the PR any headstart.

While prison is unlikely fines and awards could be huge and most importantly all of the wild claims of the FOA throughout the books will have to be either proven true or a proven crime.

This will open the way to suits against the publishers and wild-eyed serial liars like Fischer.



Hi Pete,

At most, defamation charges will only get them a fine. Those fines on top of the millions they will owe the Kerchers, an amount they will never be able to fully pay, will make them meaningless really. It would essentially be a moral victory only. Mind you, it would be nice to see Gumbel spanked with a fine. It's the callunia charge Knox still faces that will do the real damage and mean more prison time.

Will the ILE bother going after individual FOAKers? I doubt it, there are so many of them that have committed defamation it would block up the Italian courts for years. Might go after their sites though, IIP etc,.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 11:03 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Knox and Sollecito are both graduating this summer; it'll be a head-to-head contest all the way to the Supreme Court: she graduates, then he graduates; he gives an interview, she gives and interview; he organizes a press conference to share 'new' information with the world, she arranges paparazzi photo ops and sells her & BF's pictures to DM, etc etc ;)

July 7/8, 2014

Sollecito prepares the grand finale
"Now graduation, I have already prepared an invention'

On July 15, the thesis and party with the family. "In Verona, I have real friends." Raffaele and the future: he does not rule out staying in Veneto

VERONA - "Ability to overcome insurmountable obstacles." It says, specifically, under the heading 'strengths' of the curriculum of Raffaele Sollecito. He who for seven years has been looking for a way out and an escape from a parallel life/universe, where, in 2007, he was trapped in what we all call the "murder of Perugia" or "Meredith case." As part of his new life, Raffaele decided to study in Verona: Cà Vignal, in ten days, the thirty-year-old from Bari, a former boyfriend of Amanda Knox, will receive a degree in Software Engineering. The thesis? On the mechanisms of virtual reality that has plagued him in recent years and helped at the level of media coverage, and that he, willy-nilly, has come to know well. At this time, Raffaele gives us an inside look at final details. In Verona, where in recent years, accompanied by a distant echo of his story, he has put together his projects and restored his affections, including dance lessons at the center of Arthur Murray in Viale del Lavoro, toasts/drinks with friends in the Veronetta neighborhood and walks in Bra.

Sollecito, mid-month, a degree: what is this goal to you? "I've worked so hard for this result. After earning my bachelor's degree at the University of Perugia, I've always dreamed of acquiring professionalism in the world of Augmented Reality, Pattern Recognition, Robotics and everything to do with the Visual Computing. This is precisely why I enrolled at the University of Verona, where they have this kind of field of study. Now I have a wealth of both theoretical and practical exams of which I am proud."

Who will be there with you, on July 15, in the Aula Tessari? "On that day there will be my family and friends, all gathered to celebrate an event that was taken from me while I was not where I needed to be."

What is your thesis about, can you give us a brief outline? "My thesis is titled "Social Network Analysis and Semantic Proximity." Eh, I tried to explain what it is to my family and friends, who did not attend college with me, but all gave up after the first two sentences (smiles)."

What are your strongest memories of your university years in Verona? "In Verona, I stumbled upon some real friends that are fantastic, that really love me as I love them. The availability and the good heart of some people within the University has done the rest. And this is really a beautiful city."

Verona and the Veneto region have welcomed you at a critical moment of your life: in addition to your present, here, will there also be room for it in your future, sentimental or working prospects? "Obviously, thanks to many pleasant memories of my stay here, I like Veneto very much; in any case I don't put limits on my future. I am open to any opportunity that is in line with my plans and my dreams regardless of place." And there is some 'suspense': "among other things I have a project of my own (invention), which I hope will soon be welcomed (smiles again)". All that remains is to wait for an invention of Raffaele, then.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 6:53 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

It was predictable that the Amanda Knox fans would start turning on each other after Sollecito stopped providing Knox with an alibi for the entire evening:

http://www.perugiamurderfile.org/downlo ... &mode=view

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Thanks to NorriC on .net for taking a screenshot of this exchange.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 10:35 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Hi machine there is a new exchange on RS Facebook this morning. Clive making a direct accusation about Achille's role in CCTV release. I'm not able to take a a screen shot.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 11:48 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

malvern wrote:
Hi machine there is a new exchange on RS Facebook this morning. Clive making a direct accusation about Achille's role in CCTV release. I'm not able to take a a screen shot.


Hi Malvern,

Here are some relevant comments. There is a total of 36 comments in that particular thread at this time.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:19 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

thanks Nell , Sara threatens legal action and Clive backs down a bit.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 1:28 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

malvern wrote:
thanks Nell , Sara threatens legal action and Clive backs down a bit.


It is not the first time they have threatened legal action. Cristina Magnani threatened Annella also after I tweeted a screenshot to to her, showing a thread from Bruce Fischer's forum Injustice Anywhere dedicated to her persona. It was another stalking thread where they would collect all kinds of personal information.

Since Magnani threatened legal action, Bruce Fischer has deleted the comments by MichaelB and Annella shown in my screenshot that reveal personal information.

Bruce Fischer has always defended his outing activity. Not only tolerated he such behaviour, he also encouraged it, so that cannot be the reason for the removal of Annella's and MichaelB's comments.

I bet Bruce Fischer feared Sara Achille and Cristina Magnani weren't bluffing.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 2:03 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Oh makes sense now the recent magnani comment to them about a missing page. Do you think IIP might be down for some other reason like a cleanup?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 3:16 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

malvern wrote:
Oh makes sense now the recent magnani comment to them about a missing page. Do you think IIP might be down for some other reason like a cleanup?


IIP is not down, they only let the .com domain expire. Bruce Fischer uses the same domain name with the .org extension and that is where his forum is hosted. The .com domain only pointed to that place. Once you let it expire, all links that have been published on the internet using the .com extension will stop working.

His fiercest members weren't even aware of it. I noticed the expiration of his domain only because Annella had linked to a thread in one of her tweets and I clicked on it to know what it was about. Not even his members knew that changes were made.

Bruce Fischer himself would sometimes link to his forum using the .com extension and sometimes he would use the .org extension. Given these circumstances, I find it odd that he would choose to let the domain expire without notifying his members. Either that or his payment was not received. The domain has been registered until July 2015. His record was updated on the 9th of July 2014, the same day we posted the first screenshots of the expired domain. Maybe he made his payment?

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I should like to add that many of the screen shots now circulating all over Twitter (so no one knows where they came from) were originally sourced by Nell, or she did the follow ups, and enhanced the original finds with her subsequent screen shots. So, because she does not get acknowledged enough for her work, kudos to Nell, and guermantes, for many of the articles and case related links she's updating.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 3:56 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

On Ground Report so pinch of salt required:

Amanda Knox planning to accuse RS of murder:

Amanda Knox is planning to accuse Raffaele of murder anytime…

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 4:16 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

What what!! can this be true? Or is it a strong message to RS to back off or the best truth is going to get better?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 4:24 pm   Post subject: PLAGIARISM ALERT   

Raffaele Sollecito's thesis is supposed to be on "Social Networks and Semantic Analysis" or something? I thought his research was for computer aided penis reconstruction or something (just kidding)

Bets on he's writing about US? ;)

More bets whether he cribs from all the Kindle books about the 'haters' but we can always have fun comparing notes with Preston, Burleigh, and Olshaker :)

But "Semantic Analysis" from the usually inarticulate knife boy? I'll ask for a copy and send to Professor Chomsky for comment.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 4:25 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

I think it's someone writing as a birthday present for Knox, Malvern.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 8:09 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Stilicho's post worth re-posting here in full:

Reponse to Basile HuffPo Response

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lisa-mari ... 62332.html

I finally had the opportunity to read Basile's response to Nelson's response to her original HuffPo article. Many of the points she makes are valid but none of those valid points have anything to do with the evidence that convicted Knox and Sollecito.

Basile is correct to criticise some of the more fanatical accusations against her. I don't think she's a fake feminist. Instead, she's entirely incorrect that Knox was targeted by Italian authorities due to any kind of "-ism".

Here is a list of some of the mistakes Basile made in her response:

*** [All] but two of her links to "evidence" direct readers to private, biased anti-Knox sites...

This is a misleading assertion. The vast majority of the evidence presented at TJMK, either PMF, and the Meredith wiki is taken from primary sources such as testimony, books, or interviews. Sources are usually provided.

*** I considered the defendants' guilt and possible involvement, of course, but it simply didn't add up.... It's difficult to accept that esteemed forensic experts, FBI agents, lawyers and journalists all believe in Knox and Sollecito's innocence.

Basile directly connects her own perceptions of guilt and innocence to that of people she saw proclaiming Knox's innocence in the media. She doesn't state exactly who these allegedly esteemed individuals are but I bet most of us could guess. Each of them are fully engaged with the PR campaign selling Knox's innocence to the (mainly) US public.

*** When independent forensic analysts -- unaffiliated with the court -- found no real evidence, contaminated forensic samples, and no actual motive, that says something to me.

This is simply a false assertion. The analysts to whom she is referring did not establish contamination and confirmed that, for example, Sollecito's DNA was found on an article of Meredith's underwear. Basile also appears to be unaware that the analysts did not investigate the motive behind Meredith's murder.

*** [Guede's] DNA was the only DNA in the bedroom, after all.

This is a false claim.

*** The evidence was determined by sexism and character assassination; the court very clearly twisted the scant information they had to fit their theory of the girl they hated.

Basile should read the most basic court documents including the Massei Report before writing such nonsense. Knox was convicted because the body was found locked inside her home, she could not account for her whereabouts, she accused an innocent man of murder and allowed him to sit in prison for two weeks until after her other accomplice was captured, mixed DNA was found in several locations at the crimescene including in Luminol-revealed prints on the floor, her DNA was found on one of the murder weapons, and she knew how Meredith had died and when before the medical examiner had finalised his report. That's just the main points. None of them have anything to do with "sexism and character assassination".

*** [F]orensic science can't prove sexism or anti-Americanism or humanity lost in translation, but anyone with a brain and some working knowledge of society and culture can see the very real role these problems played.

Except they didn't. Knox was just one of three individuals convicted of Meredith's murder. She is the only woman of the three. She is the only American of the three. All three are presumably human but whether that was "lost in translation" is unknown and probably unknowable.

***

Basile meticulously avoids referring to any primary source documents or much of the evidence beyond mere offhand or dismissive comments. She focuses instead on how she is herself perceived by her critics. In some ways this is a valid defence: it doesn't make her any less a feminist to become duped by a powerful and well-financed PR campaign. Academics, journalists and professionals have also been duped and often by fellow academics, journalists and professionals who were enlisted by the media consultant hired by the Knox family.

Basile would serve her constituents much better by sticking to an evaluation of the evidence. Knox was not convicted because of her gender.
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I finally had the opportunity to read Basile's response to Nelson's response to her original HuffPo article.


I know this is getting rather silly, but should we expect a swift response to Stilicho's response to Basile's rebuttal of Nelson's critique of Basile's original article? ;)
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 8:15 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Pataz1's Letter to the Guardian is worth reading as well:

July 8, 2014
Response to Gumbel’s Guardian article

This letter was sent to the Guardian’s Reader Editor on 4 May 2014, and again on 3 June, 2014. The Reader’s Editor did not respond to either of the email submissions.

Gumbel’s May 1st, 2014 article in the Guardian is a thinly veiled advocacy piece for Sollecito and Knox. He left out a significant phrase from a Nencini passage he cites; this phrase he omitted undermines one of his main claims.

To the Guardian:

I’m writing to you about Andrew Gumbel’s “comment” on developments in the murder of Meredith Kercher case. Gumbel writes about the recently released Nencini court motivations document, which outlines the court’s reasoning for affirming Knox and Sollecito’s conviction for the murder of Meredith Kercher.
Gumbel waits until the end of the third paragraph in his article to provide his disclaimer: that he is a co-author of the book by one of the defendants.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 9:16 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Hi, guermantes, maybe not a response to Stilicho (though I note La Knox approved umpteen birthday messages) but what I DO expect is:

Huffington Post US's legal department responding to complaints filed about the content of the LMB article.

Selene Nelson's right of rebuttal response not being refused by the pro-Knox US Huffington Post.

That Lisa Basile (and Selene Nelson) respond to and defend whatever they wrote. If someone tells you you've made factual errors, then correct it please, instead of hiding behind excuses of how some anonymous internetter was not 'civil' to you.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 9:18 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

And, speaking of, Professor Gill has made some curious errors and omissions in his book. I'll list them anon :)
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 9:22 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Michael wrote:
At most, defamation charges will only get them a fine. Those fines on top of the millions they will owe the Kerchers, an amount they will never be able to fully pay, will make them meaningless really. It would essentially be a moral victory only. Mind you, it would be nice to see Gumbel spanked with a fine.


There'd be damages awarded as well as fines. But yes no $$$ left for that. The big victory would be the settling on a single truth and any thing else is a minefield. They dont want 10-20 years of flack. See Gumbel sweat.

Michael wrote:
It's the callunia charge Knox still faces that will do the real damage and mean more prison time.


Yeah Knox and her pack have repeated the false claims about the brief 5-6 Nov session again and again and they even make up a complete book (the Preston/Douglas one). This AFTER serving three years.

Michael wrote:
Will the ILE bother going after individual FOAKers? I doubt it, there are so many of them that have committed defamation it would block up the Italian courts for years. Might go after their sites though, IIP etc,.


Above all one single public truth is being sought, and there could be a single trial for 30 or more, not showing up like the CIA trial, but an outcome that chills them for life, like Robert Lady.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 9:55 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Nell wrote:
malvern wrote:
thanks Nell , Sara threatens legal action and Clive backs down a bit.


It is not the first time they have threatened legal action. Cristina Magnani threatened Annella also after I tweeted a screenshot to to her, showing a thread from Bruce Fischer's forum Injustice Anywhere dedicated to her persona. It was another stalking thread where they would collect all kinds of personal information.

Since Magnani threatened legal action, Bruce Fischer has deleted the comments by MichaelB and Annella shown in my screenshot that reveal personal information.

Bruce Fischer has always defended his outing activity. Not only tolerated he such behaviour, he also encouraged it, so that cannot be the reason for the removal of Annella's and MichaelB's comments.

I bet Bruce Fischer feared Sara Achille and Cristina Magnani weren't bluffing.


Nell,

As you know Fischer's outing activity began a full two years before he himself was outed by us with some very clever sleuthing whicvh probably still has him stunned.

When we found out who he is we could not believe our freaking eyes. That fur store is a wasteland alone at the back of a mall.

Theres nothing on our sites to compare. Prior to his own outing his endless hatchet jobs were in effect worse than anonymous - they were a dishonest lie ("Bruce Fisher of New York").

I have never seen the point. They make him look VERY small especially when his own dismal facts are known.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 10:52 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Bruce Fischer is small potatoes. But oh boy does he damage the Amanda Knox brand, and torpedo her chances of appealing extradition, all by himself. The Italian media, judiciary and legal analysts all made it clear they are aware of and offended by Knox's "American supporters".

And when Sollecito's own family blames them, you'd think they ought to try a little self awareness.

By the way, his .COM forum is back up: http://www.injusticeanywhereforum.com/v ... 17#p144517
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 12:13 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Ergon wrote:
Bruce Fischer is small potatoes. But oh boy does he damage the Amanda Knox brand, and torpedo her chances of appealing extradition, all by himself. The Italian media, judiciary and legal analysts all made it clear they are aware of and offended by Knox's "American supporters".

And when Sollecito's own family blames them, you'd think they ought to try a little self awareness.

By the way, his .COM forum is back up: http://www.injusticeanywhereforum.com/v ... 17#p144517


The records for his domain registration were updated the day I posted the screenshot, so I guess he arranged to make his payment the moment he was made aware that .com had stopped working.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 12:28 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Ergon wrote:
I should like to add that many of the screen shots now circulating all over Twitter (so no one knows where they came from) were originally sourced by Nell, or she did the follow ups, and enhanced the original finds with her subsequent screen shots. So, because she does not get acknowledged enough for her work, kudos to Nell, and guermantes, for many of the articles and case related links she's updating.


Thank you Ergon.

I make it a habit to take screenshots as Amanda Knox supporters delete their comments whenever it suits them. Some might not know this but there are certain Knox supporters who, on a regular basis, shower the poor Kerchers in verbal abuse and in less than 24 hours they delete their tweets. I am not sure this is a clever method, but this is the way they operate and the reason why I take so many screenshots.

Bruce Fischer's forum is another treasure trove for abusive comments. Now that he is in the crosshairs for tolerating these kind of comments on his forum, he has started deleting member's comments more often.

I would also like to thank Guermantes for posting links to relevant articles about the case. I would have missed many of them wasn't it for Guermantes' tireless work.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 3:09 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

guermantes wrote:
Stilicho's post worth re-posting here in full:

Reponse to Basile HuffPo Response

Post by stilicho » 09 Jul 2014, 20:52
http://www.perugiamurderfile.org/viewto ... 62#p170862
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lisa-mari ... 62332.html

I finally had the opportunity to read Basile's response to Nelson's response to her original HuffPo article. Many of the points she makes are valid but none of those valid points have anything to do with the evidence that convicted Knox and Sollecito.

Basile is correct to criticise some of the more fanatical accusations against her. I don't think she's a fake feminist. Instead, she's entirely incorrect that Knox was targeted by Italian authorities due to any kind of "-ism".

Here is a list of some of the mistakes Basile made in her response:

*** [All] but two of her links to "evidence" direct readers to private, biased anti-Knox sites...

This is a misleading assertion. The vast majority of the evidence presented at TJMK, either PMF, and the Meredith wiki is taken from primary sources such as testimony, books, or interviews. Sources are usually provided.

*** I considered the defendants' guilt and possible involvement, of course, but it simply didn't add up.... It's difficult to accept that esteemed forensic experts, FBI agents, lawyers and journalists all believe in Knox and Sollecito's innocence.

Basile directly connects her own perceptions of guilt and innocence to that of people she saw proclaiming Knox's innocence in the media. She doesn't state exactly who these allegedly esteemed individuals are but I bet most of us could guess. Each of them are fully engaged with the PR campaign selling Knox's innocence to the (mainly) US public.

*** When independent forensic analysts -- unaffiliated with the court -- found no real evidence, contaminated forensic samples, and no actual motive, that says something to me.

This is simply a false assertion. The analysts to whom she is referring did not establish contamination and confirmed that, for example, Sollecito's DNA was found on an article of Meredith's underwear. Basile also appears to be unaware that the analysts did not investigate the motive behind Meredith's murder.

*** [Guede's] DNA was the only DNA in the bedroom, after all.

This is a false claim.

*** The evidence was determined by sexism and character assassination; the court very clearly twisted the scant information they had to fit their theory of the girl they hated.

Basile should read the most basic court documents including the Massei Report before writing such nonsense. Knox was convicted because the body was found locked inside her home, she could not account for her whereabouts, she accused an innocent man of murder and allowed him to sit in prison for two weeks until after her other accomplice was captured, mixed DNA was found in several locations at the crimescene including in Luminol-revealed prints on the floor, her DNA was found on one of the murder weapons, and she knew how Meredith had died and when before the medical examiner had finalised his report. That's just the main points. None of them have anything to do with "sexism and character assassination".

*** [F]orensic science can't prove sexism or anti-Americanism or humanity lost in translation, but anyone with a brain and some working knowledge of society and culture can see the very real role these problems played.

Except they didn't. Knox was just one of three individuals convicted of Meredith's murder. She is the only woman of the three. She is the only American of the three. All three are presumably human but whether that was "lost in translation" is unknown and probably unknowable.

***

Basile meticulously avoids referring to any primary source documents or much of the evidence beyond mere offhand or dismissive comments. She focuses instead on how she is herself perceived by her critics. In some ways this is a valid defence: it doesn't make her any less a feminist to become duped by a powerful and well-financed PR campaign. Academics, journalists and professionals have also been duped and often by fellow academics, journalists and professionals who were enlisted by the media consultant hired by the Knox family.

Basile would serve her constituents much better by sticking to an evaluation of the evidence. Knox was not convicted because of her gender.
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stilicho wrote:
I finally had the opportunity to read Basile's response to Nelson's response to her original HuffPo article.


I know this is getting rather silly, but should we expect a swift response to Stilicho's response to Basile's rebuttal of Nelson's critique of Basile's original article? ;)


Thank you guermantes and Nell for all of your research and observations! cl-) tt-) th-)
And for this analysis as I could not bring myself to read another article in this growing battle of the pro/anti knox feminists. Pat did an excellent job on the media fiasco 'Crime Time' video (http://aklwei.wordpress.com/2014/07/09/crimetime/) too! Sooo much misinformation and emotionally charged propaganda being created. And only more to come as the final appeal approaches. ar-))


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astro wrote:
Ergon wrote:
Hi, Astro, tomorrow is Knox's birthday. Change of residence in year to come? I ran a Knox Horary chart for 11:59 PM Toronto July 08. Grand square with Mars in 7th opposition Uranus shows many more shocks to the system from Sollecito.


Solar return article about knoxy here
http://www.astrologer-nyc.com/solarretu ... D4.twitter

I'm going with her not leaving the US this SR year but maybe next year based on just this. She is in for a difficult year for sure.
It crossed my mind that she might check out but then I thought better of it knowing her.


Definitely a difficult year, for some time to come...
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Ergon wrote:
astro wrote:
Ergon wrote:
Hi, Astro, tomorrow is Knox's birthday. Change of residence in year to come? I ran a Knox Horary chart for 11:59 PM Toronto July 08. Grand square with Mars in 7th opposition Uranus shows many more shocks to the system from Sollecito.


Solar return article about knoxy here
http://www.astrologer-nyc.com/solarretu ... D4.twitter

I'm going with her not leaving the US this SR year but maybe next year based on just this. She is in for a difficult year for sure.
It crossed my mind that she might check out but then I thought better of it knowing her.


Definitely a difficult year, for some time to come...


Yes Knox's chart gets more afflicted with time. I'm still studying it to try to figure out exactly what may happen. I have to look at other techniques but so far this year will be more difficult and she will be under more restrictions. I won't commit to predicting that she'll be imprisoned this solar return year but she will be tightly controlled with that Saturn in the first house. Very angry and emotional with that Moon in Scorpio in the first as well.
Last year will seem like a dream compared to this coming year. She will most likely stay secluded and write. Working behind-the-scenes more than doing the interview rounds.
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I thought the photos show what she and her co-conspirators always try to hide, that is in fact, images of her looking affected.

As in truth, nothing at all what she did when it was clearly acting, like it was in court, and everywhere else for that matter, did show any of what is real about her, where she looked affected it was acting.


I always thought of St Amanda as someone who would look "naturally" affected even when she was alone with no one else around.


You're onto something there, your venerability.

those e-mails...

Dear JudgeGood Judge,

As I said in my last e-mail to you, I can't come, I'm busy, still busy now too, the book didn't earn much so I'm out getting funds so I can keep my new boyfriend but he ain't nothing to do with it, nor am I, that's what I wanted to say again, I would have wanted to come but it's very expensive and if you are all going to lock me up it ain't worth me coming, if you didn't lock me up then I could come and say hi and talk, I told you all I know and this is how you all treated me. I've built up an army here. Some compare the organisation with an apartheid state, it's true we have very few black members, they are hard to come by where we live, many of them are, however, my best friends. The fact they are does not mean I should protect any single one, they have their guilty one and they should now just give it all a rest. If you offer to pay my air fare I still will not be able to show up for all of the above reasons, I thought about it a lot but decided no they don't need me, I did all I can to help I must now further my career but in the meantime, to earn some extra cash, I've taken a job with the butcher. We get the carcasses in whole then we cut them into portions. I often think how it must feel to the cows, the sensation, knowing they are not in a good way, dying; in a bad situation the only thing one can do is to take the least bad option, if it had been up to me she wouldn't have died, so who was it up to you might ask, I can't tell you that but it wasn't me, it was up to someone but that someone ain't me and I cannot tell you how I know it was up to someone, so what did they say, did they say, this person must die, well, maybe yes, but I didn't, I don't even know these people that said that but if they did, I didn't hear it, I imagined it, I was scared, I am now, always. I hope this e-mail helps. Please keep this e-mail confidential, if you share any word or detail of it I may prosecute you.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 4:29 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Ergon wrote:
...kudos to Nell, and guermantes, for many of the articles and case related links she's updating.

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I would also like to thank Guermantes for posting links to relevant articles about the case. I would have missed many of them wasn't it for Guermantes' tireless work.

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Thank you guermantes and Nell for all of your research and observations!


Thank you all, you wonderful people, for your kind words. I applaud each and every one of you on this forum, too! cl-)
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 7:06 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Hey G, do you have any pics of RG's footprints leading out the front door? I have some with markers seen but not footprints clearly.
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Good old Raffles. He can always be relied upon to stand up for what he believes in and to support people who are close to him. He’s also proven to be completely reliable in helping to clean up every crime scene of every murder he’s been involved in to date.

He truly is honour bound.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 7:22 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Has anyone else noticed that that Ground Report article that caused such a stir has been taken down?

I just happened to notice it a few minutes ago. Not that I'm boasting, but I'm a lord, you know, and lords often notice things before other people do.
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Yes, the Ground Report article has been taken down, as is par for the course when Michelle Moore and Janet Huff show up threatening "slander" :) lawsuits and reporting to Ground Report. Which, as always, is glad to oblige when it's Knox being called names.

Just before they closed down, there was Eric Forsgren calling me "Man From Pakistan" which is more civil than "Pakiloon" I guess :)
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 7:51 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Yeah, you really grate their nerves E... Saying and printing the truth and all.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 8:03 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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Yes, the Ground Report article has been taken down, as is par for the course when Michelle Moore and Janet Huff show up threatening "slander" :) lawsuits and reporting to Ground Report. Which, as always, is glad to oblige when it's Knox being called names.

Just before they closed down, there was Eric Forsgren calling me "Man From Pakistan" which is more civil than "Pakiloon" I guess :)


Luckily I got in what I thought was a decent one-liner against sweet Michelle before the article was withdrawn. Michelle had said some poster was “fake” and had “no idea what reality was,” and I said something like, “Michelle, are you absolutely sure you yourself really exist? I’ve always been under the impression that you were maybe just some small child's hyperactive toy monkey on a string; no offence.”

As for Janet Huff, I didn’t notice her posts anywhere, but someone did call me a “moron” at one point, so maybe that was her using some other name.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 8:21 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Surely I do not grate that much, dg? But did I just miss your birthday? I'm really bad at that. If so, many happy returns!
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 9:35 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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Hey G, do you have any pics of RG's footprints leading out the front door? I have some with markers seen but not footprints clearly.


Hi dg, I'll have to look through my photo archives, but I believe the pic with markers is the only one we have of his shoe prints, not counting the one below, which is useless of course ;)

ETA: Sorry, tried to link to the .ORG photo gallery, but it didn't work.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 12:48 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Ergon wrote:
Yes, the Ground Report article has been taken down, as is par for the course when Michelle Moore and Janet Huff show up threatening "slander" :) lawsuits and reporting to Ground Report. Which, as always, is glad to oblige when it's Knox being called names.

Just before they closed down, there was Eric Forsgren calling me "Man From Pakistan" which is more civil than "Pakiloon" I guess :)


People should make it a habit to take a screenshot of these kind of remarks. My little collection of screenshots has only a tiny part of what was actually published online by Knox supporters.

It is hard to resist the thought that a greater part of them are in all probability racists.

For what other reason would someone say something like that?
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Used to it, Nell. I just aim for the big battles :)
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Ergon wrote:
Surely I do not grate that much, dg? But did I just miss your birthday? I'm really bad at that. If so, many happy returns!


Well, Bruiser in particular. No, my birthday is in October. mul-)
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 2:18 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Chelsea Hoffman announced she will be debating the case with Lisa Marie Basile live at this link http://www.chelseahoffman.com/2014/07/d ... ebate.html

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On Sunday, July 13, 2014 at 6:00 p.m. (PST) I will be debating one-on-one with poet and Huffington Post blogger Lisa Marie Basile. This will be the first episode in my new Case to Case series titled [Debates] which will be held exclusively on Youtube via Google Hangouts.


If you have any questions you'd like asked please comment on the link there. Amanda Knox's supporters have been invited to participate as well. Those who can't watch will be able to catch later on YouTube but I plan to watch it live.
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Please retweet my tweets to Charles Mudede and Nancy Grace. I think you will like them. Thanks.
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Thanks to all the people who have retweeted my tweets to Charles Mudede and Nancy Grace. You are making a difference. Charles is going to write an article. If you haven't retweeted yet, please do so. It only takes a couple of seconds.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 2:56 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Sigh, TM, links, please? hard to find anything on Twitter.

https://twitter.com/harryrag/status/487756506784600064

and

https://twitter.com/harryrag/status/487760933188796416

Those who aren't on Twitter yet, please get an account. Lots of action happening there, and you get to meet a lot of friends outside the forum.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 3:40 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

The Ted Thomson article on Ground Report is back. http://groundreport.com/amanda-knox-is- ... r-anytime/

**Editor’s Note: After review by the volunteer editors of the anonymous sources cited in this article under reporter-editor confidentiality, the sources were deemed sufficiently credible to warrant publication. **
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 3:58 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Anyone on Twitter who can RT harryrag/TheMachines tweets? Would be appreciated.

https://twitter.com/harryrag/status/487756506784600064

https://twitter.com/harryrag/status/487760933188796416

https://twitter.com/harryrag/status/487756797919649793

https://twitter.com/harryrag/status/487761146796331008
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 6:49 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

I also sent a tweet to radio presenter John Carlson asking him to cover the media blackout in Seattle concerning any negative news about Amanda Knox on his show:

https://twitter.com/harryrag/status/488006961972379648

John now believes that Knox was involved in Meredith's murder. Reddit Seattle favourited the tweet. :D
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 3:02 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

RT this pls: https://twitter.com/manfromatlan/status ... 1545445377

and

https://twitter.com/manfromatlan/status ... 2637920256
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The value of Twitter: This just got retweeted by one follower to 148,000+ people today https://twitter.com/manfromatlan/status ... 56/photo/1

This really helps educate ppl abt the case.
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Don't know what to think about this "Ground Report" article, because "Ground Report" was Knox media.

Because it's also "indie media", marginal, it could be that the Knox camp is using it to threaten Sollecito. A "rumoured report" from that media associated with the camp, to silence him. Because he's out of control, he's got nothing to lose and could say anything. The "withdrawal of his alibi", wasn't quite complete, but his lawyer (Bongiorno) was sitting with him when he did it.

Article is back on line. It even says that Meredith Kercher initially attacked. It's a poisonous article:

GroundReport | Author: Ted Thomson

Filed Under: Crime, News | Posted: 07/10/2014 at 1:29PM

Amanda Knox, the 27 year old woman who was re-convicted last January of the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy, is planning to accuse her ex-boyfriend of murder very soon, according to reliable sources close to the Knox family, the PR firm Gogerty-Marriott and close to the Amanda Knox lawyers.

Since Raffaele Sollecito changed his version of events during the night of the murder last week, Curt Knox has been very angry and agitated according to our sources. Amanda Knox is also furious. Raffaele Sollecito said on July 2 in Rome ”that the evidence showed Amanda was not with him at his home at the time of the killing of Ms Kercher”…The latest strategy from the Raffaele’s defense is basically canceling Amanda Knox’s alibi during the night of the murder, a move that infuriated Curt Knox and left Amanda without an alibi during the night of the murder.

So where was Amanda Knox if she was not with Raffaele?? Amanda felt she had to make a move, and she is making a move.

Curt Knox had hired a PR firm 7 years ago – Gogerty Marriott – based in Seattle to deal with the growing interest in this murder case. This PR firm hired many people to run a campaign – online and in the media – to promote the idea among Americans that Amanda Knox was convicted wrongfully by a corrupt Italian court. This campaign was very aggressive and resulted in a lot of misleading information being promoted online and in the media to make this case look like a wrongful conviction.
According to the Italian justice system and the 2 judges and 2 different courts who convicted Amanda and Raffaele of murder, there is strong evidence of their guilt and the evidence was detailed in their long report which convicted Amanda and Raffaele. Amanda and Raffaele were convicted for a 2nd time last January, Amanda was convicted for 28 years in jail and Raffaele for 25 years. They are now both appealing their convictions since last May 2014. If their appeals are rejected, both will be sent to jail. Raffaele si already in Italy and will go directly to jail if the appeal is rejected, Amanda remains free in Seattle and she could be extradited if Italy is requesting her extradition.

Since Raffaele’s latest defense move – canceling Amanda’s only alibi – the Knox strategy changed:

According to our sources close the the Knox family, close to the Gogerty-Marriott PR firm and close to Amanda Knox’s lawyers, the Knox camp has decided that they had no other choice but to accuse Raffaele of the murder of Meredith Kercher. Amanda is now opening up and she gave some new detailed information about what happened during the night of the murder.

The Knox camp is planning to compile some documents with some of the new information given by Amanda and will approach discreetly the Italian courts (Cassation) with these new elements. Our sources close to the new plan said that Amanda is now accusing Raffaele of murder and that they were both in the house during the murder. She now is saying that she went back to her house that night to buy some drugs from Rudy Guede. When she arrived home, Meredith was furious and angry at Amanda about some money which was stolen from her room. Meredith was apparently very very angry. Amanda then left – scared- and came back with Raffaele 30 minutes later.
Raffaele tried to calm her down but did not succeed. Meredith was becoming hysterical and violent, according to the new revelations by Amanda. Meredith became so violent that she started to attack Amanda, and then Raffaele stopped her. Meredith then grabbed a knife and fought with Raffaele. Then Raffaele killed Meredith with the knife and he also lost control in the process and slashed Meredith’s throat despite Amanda telling him to stop, according to the new revelations by Amanda. Amanda is now saying that she witnessed the whole thing from the kitchen and covered her ears at time because of the screams.

After the murder, Amanda decided to help Raffaele and clean up the whole scene. They both organized the set up and wanted to make it look like a burglary done by Rudy Guede. Still according to Amanda, she has been defending Raffaele for all these years because she was in love with him, and she was only a witness of Meredith’s murder but had nothing to do with it. Amanda is changing her story now because, according to our sources, she felt betrayed by Raffaele’s latest defense move.

Amanda said that she now wants to tell the whole truth about the murder committed by Raffaele and she does not want to lie anymore just to protect Raffaele.
Curt Knox and Amanda both came up with that new defense plan and they both want Raffaele to be brought to justice for the murder of Meredith Kercher. That is what they are expressing in the documents that they plan to send to the Italian courts.

Amanda is now saying to her family that she is tired to lie just to defend Raffaele who committed that murder, and since she felt betrayed by Raffaele’s latest move, she decided to tell the truth discreetly to the Italian court thorugh her lawyers in Italy. She is also providing proofs of what she is saying to the Italian court. We could not know more about the proofs Amanda was talking about.

Now that Raffaele has changed his story and cancelled Amanda’s alibi the night of the murder, Amanda Knox is now planning to tell her own side of the story discreetly to the Italian court – anytime we were told.
This case is far from being over.

**Editor’s Note: After review by the volunteer editors of the anonymous sources cited in this article under reporter-editor confidentiality, the sources were deemed sufficiently credible to warrant publication. **

http://groundreport.com/amanda-knox-is-planning-to-accuse-raffaele-of-murder-anytime/
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"GroundReport is a global citizen journalism platform that enables anyone to publish news reports and videos and earn a share of ad revenues. To establish trust, GroundReport uses a Wikipedia-like model of volunteer editors and community feedback, combined with a 5-star rating system. Contributors retain rights to their work, and can choose from a range of Creative Commons licenses.[1] In May 2009, GroundReport implemented a vetting system that requires review and approval of every contributor.[2] GroundReport has a strict copyright policy and distributed vetting system. Plagiarized and copyright-infringing material is prohibited from GroundReport, and offending users are banned from the site. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GroundReport"

He's not pro-Knox. More puzzling. Articles:

Ted Thomson
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Region: United States, Washington

Amanda Knox and Raffaele’s DNA evidence and blood at the murder scene

http://groundreport.com/amanda-knox-and-raffaeles-dna-evidence-and-blood-at-the-murder-scene/

The evidence is strong against Amanda Knox in the Meredith Kercher’s murder case

http://groundreport.com/the-evidence-is-strong-against-amanda-knox-in-the-meredith-kerchers-murder-case/
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 12:57 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Troon wrote:
Because it's also "indie media", marginal, it could be that the Knox camp is using it to threaten Sollecito.



That was my immediate impression and remains so still.

And a threat is ALL it is, of course, since the very notion that "she decided to tell the truth discreetly to the Italian court thorugh [sic] her lawyers in Italy" is ridiculous as there is no such thing as telling the truth to Cassation "discreetly". The only way one can tell Cassation anything is by filing the paperwork to the court and as soon as that happens, that paperwork is public. The defence doesn't even know which judges will be hearing the case, as they have yet to be assigned.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 2:54 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

I treated it as a spoof (but spent way too much time provoking the Amandii :)

And the 'debate' with Chelsea Hoffmann turned out to be a dud.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 3:46 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Yeah, could be a spoof. But, does the author have a history of writing them? His previous pieces on the case haven't been. Plus, would one be likely to see an editors note declaring the piece to have passed scrutiny if it were a spoof?

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Ted Thompson says he's resident in Seattle. Also posted a picture of British journalist Simon Rogers purporting to be hi, taken down when FOA challenged that. Beyond that, I do not know. But any overtures/threats between Knox and Sollecito would not appear on Ground Report, ferchrissake.
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Maybe the opposite. Having it published on Ground Report would give the Knox camp plausible deniability. They don't want the story to be taken seriously by the Mainstream Media, it is an admission that Knox was at the crime scene during the murder. They still want to be able to say publicly, that she wasn't there. All they want from this is for Sollecito and his clan to get the message.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 10:55 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Ergon wrote:
Ted Thompson says he's resident in Seattle. Also posted a picture of British journalist Simon Rogers purporting to be hi, taken down when FOA challenged that. Beyond that, I do not know. But any overtures/threats between Knox and Sollecito would not appear on Ground Report, ferchrissake.

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Maybe the opposite. Having it published on Ground Report would give the Knox camp plausible deniability. They don't want the story to be taken seriously by the Mainstream Media, it is an admission that Knox was at the crime scene during the murder. They still want to be able to say publicly, that she wasn't there. All they want from this is for Sollecito and his clan to get the message.


I am not hearing that the putting-up of the Thomson was by family or paid help. They genuinely did fight to have it taken down. Ann Bremner might have sent one of her numerous threats.

And Ground Report faced them down to see it back up. It seems the seeds of this are in the fact that Ground Report's pro-Knoxers tilt is about 150 pretty rabid posts over three years while their pro-Italy pro-innocence tilt is zero posts and a lot of deleted comments.

That is leaving the anonymous editors and GR's owner Rachel Haot (formerly Sterne) both legally and politically exposed now (Haot works for one of the Democratic frontrunners in the 2016 presidential race and an ant-Italy website is not something he'd want to have along).

Ground Report may in the first instance have gone looking for a Ted Thomson to be able to say "look, we do have some balance".

The Thomson post just could be some unauthorized freelance gamesmanship by someone not family or paid help to show RS "we are both in this together and AK can push you under the bus as well". But why via Ted Thomson? He has posted two pro-guilt posts going back to 27 May and they dont look much like a setup to a hoax.

http://groundreport.com/profile/26667/

My guess is Bongiorno set up the Rome press conference to reassert her mostly hard-line against Knox and its been the weak ditheriness of Sollecito that is not giving her a perfect result.

(BTW people who know Ground Report say if it lasts more than another few months they'd be surprised. Taking a rabid hard line does not attract advertisers in.)
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 11:19 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

I'm not saying Thompson was paid, rather that he was deliberately "fed" what he may have thought was a genuine leak, but was actually a design. He wasn't going to say no, he thought he'd netted an exclusive. I'm suggesting, that he was used. I've no doubt that the FOAKer rank and file were outraged and fought to have it taken down, if they hadn't it wouldn't be convincing for the plausible deniability requirement and as such they almost certainly weren't told of the strategy. Thompson was used because he's written previous articles not sympathetic to Knox and he's published them on Ground Report. Then it can be said, if required, that what he's written can't be taken seriously as he's "biased" against Knox and he writes for a media outlet that's a joke. Plausible deniability.

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I'm not saying Thompson was paid, rather that he was deliberately "fed" what he may have thought was a genuine leak, but was actually a design. He wasn't going to say no, he thought he'd netted an exclusive. I'm suggesting, that he was used. I've no doubt that the FOAKer rank and file were outraged and fought to have it taken down, if they hadn't it wouldn't be convincing for the plausible deniability requirement and as such they almost certainly weren't told of the strategy. Thompson was used because he's written previous articles not sympathetic to Knox and he's published them on Ground Report. Then it can be said, if required, that what he's written can't be taken seriously as he's "biased" against Knox and he writes for a media outlet that's a joke. Plausible deniability.


Yeah that could fit. Manipulation of the zombies' rage, not for the first time at all. It could have been a trial balloon too, to see if there IS a way for Knox to credibly threaten Sollecito and have the main facts fit, though the one scenario via Thomson is a lead balloon for sure.

One thing made plain by the ludicrous Basile who said she wont read any offical document is that the zombies read NOTHING which isnt theirs. Only what they have on their shelves is even to be read, let alone believed.

Ergon has remarked on this to me before, how hermetically sealed the core group have become. Knox & Moore & Fischer actually believe their own made-up stuff. No bllnking. That "genuineness" is what attracted Basile to them.

Going back 6 plus years I've taken every pronouncement of RS and AK with a grain of salt, but RS and AK beating one anothers brains out is maybe the best shot to getting at the truth and a universal perception of guilt.

Its a familiar route for perps in group crimes, and Italian justice enables it better than most. Softly softly catchee monkey. Italian justice forces are the real master game player here and actually are proud of the fact. And deep down most FOA know they are outclassed by about 10X.

The next whack is yours RS. Would you like to do a guest post?! Heh heh.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 3:34 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

The Ted Thompson article has been removed again. 3000+ comments later, it is now being substituted with more 'trending' pro-Amanda Knox articles by 'anonymous' authors with all sorts of 'unsubstantiated' allegations, ho hum. I guess Ground Report got another phone call from an angry fur ball bearing tire irons or something :)
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 4:45 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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Maybe the opposite. Having it published on Ground Report would give the Knox camp plausible deniability. They don't want the story to be taken seriously by the Mainstream Media, it is an admission that Knox was at the crime scene during the murder. They still want to be able to say publicly, that she wasn't there. All they want from this is for Sollecito and his clan to get the message.


In that case, wouldn't it have been more effective to simply write something in Italian on an Italian site? And this way the Knox cultists' sensibilities wouldn't have been offended.

Anyway, nothing about this article makes any sense to me. It's almost like someone deliberately set out to give people a headache who are trying to figure out what they're up to.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 6:33 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Earl Grey wrote:
Michael wrote:
Maybe the opposite. Having it published on Ground Report would give the Knox camp plausible deniability. They don't want the story to be taken seriously by the Mainstream Media, it is an admission that Knox was at the crime scene during the murder. They still want to be able to say publicly, that she wasn't there. All they want from this is for Sollecito and his clan to get the message.


In that case, wouldn't it have been more effective to simply write something in Italian on an Italian site? And this way the Knox cultists' sensibilities wouldn't have been offended.

Anyway, nothing about this article makes any sense to me. It's almost like someone deliberately set out to give people a headache who are trying to figure out what they're up to.



Hi EG. Well, that would have been too dangerous. The Knox Camp have no real control in the Italian media circuit, a media that may have picked up the story and ran with it, even if published somewhere relatively obscure. In contrast, Marriott seems to have the US media under control, where if a fire breaks out he can quickly snuff it out. Therefore, best to publish it in the US where they have their feet on both the brake and accelerator pedals. This is a gun they don't want to accidentally go off before it reaches the time that they feel they have no choice but pull the trigger.

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Fast Pete wrote:
It could have been a trial balloon too, to see if there IS a way for Knox to credibly threaten Sollecito and have the main facts fit, though the one scenario via Thomson is a lead balloon for sure.


Yes, absolutely this too. And what better way to test the scenario then run it by us, their greatest critics, who they would have known would have immediately picked up the story? The fact is, if Sollecito continues to withdraw her alibi or even add to her woes further with something else, Knox may well indeed be forced to admit she was at the cottage. In that event, can you think of a story she can present to appear non-culpable of murder better then the one in the Thomson article? I can't. It has her telling Sollecito to stop, unsuccessfully, resulting in the death of Meredith which wasn't even murder because it was self-defence. The Knox camp may well see that offered scenario as Knox's best and only chance of getting reasonable doubt. As offensive as that scenario may be to us, it may well end up being Knox's only option, since there's no way she's ever going to offer a full confession. Neither can she attempt to shore up or stand by an alibi that her erstwhile alibi has totally erased by saying she wasn't at his apartment.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 9:44 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Michael wrote:
Fast Pete wrote:
It could have been a trial balloon too, to see if there IS a way for Knox to credibly threaten Sollecito and have the main facts fit, though the one scenario via Thomson is a lead balloon for sure.


Yes, absolutely this too. And what better way to test the scenario then run it by us, their greatest critics, who they would have known would have immediately picked up the story? The fact is, if Sollecito continues to withdraw her alibi or even add to her woes further with something else, Knox may well indeed be forced to admit she was at the cottage. In that event, can you think of a story she can present to appear non-culpable of murder better then the one in the Thomson article? I can't. It has her telling Sollecito to stop, unsuccessfully, resulting in the death of Meredith which wasn't even murder because it was self-defence. The Knox camp may well see that offered scenario as Knox's best and only chance of getting reasonable doubt. As offensive as that scenario may be to us, it may well end up being Knox's only option, since there's no way she's ever going to offer a full confession. Neither can she attempt to shore up or stand by an alibi that her erstwhile alibi has totally erased by saying she wasn't at his apartment.


Very interesting thoughts from everyone regarding the article.

The suggestion that Meredith was the initial attacker and the cause of the problem seems highly offensive to me. After everything we have seen and heard from Knox it is easy to imagine she could have come up with such scenario to shift the blame. Given that she is mentally unwell, she is unable to grasp how offensive it is for those familiar with the case facts.
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Nell wrote:
Michael wrote:
Fast Pete wrote:
It could have been a trial balloon too, to see if there IS a way for Knox to credibly threaten Sollecito and have the main facts fit, though the one scenario via Thomson is a lead balloon for sure.


Yes, absolutely this too. And what better way to test the scenario then run it by us, their greatest critics, who they would have known would have immediately picked up the story? The fact is, if Sollecito continues to withdraw her alibi or even add to her woes further with something else, Knox may well indeed be forced to admit she was at the cottage. In that event, can you think of a story she can present to appear non-culpable of murder better then the one in the Thomson article? I can't. It has her telling Sollecito to stop, unsuccessfully, resulting in the death of Meredith which wasn't even murder because it was self-defence. The Knox camp may well see that offered scenario as Knox's best and only chance of getting reasonable doubt. As offensive as that scenario may be to us, it may well end up being Knox's only option, since there's no way she's ever going to offer a full confession. Neither can she attempt to shore up or stand by an alibi that her erstwhile alibi has totally erased by saying she wasn't at his apartment.


Very interesting thoughts from everyone regarding the article.

The suggestion that Meredith was the initial attacker and the cause of the problem seems highly offensive to me. After everything we have seen and heard from Knox it is easy to imagine she could have come up with such scenario to shift the blame. Given that she is mentally unwell, she is unable to grasp how offensive it is for those familiar with the case facts.



Exactly! Although, it also stinks of Marriott to me. Indeed, in his article, Thompson claims his sources to be close to Marriott as well as Knox. Almost certainly, Knox and Marriott have sat down together and had some little chats.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 11:09 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Raffles issues abject apology after shot across bow: https://www.facebook.com/raffa.sollecit ... 5307686416

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I don't know if Magnani Cristina or my aunt Sara Achille ever said wrong things about Amanda or ever pointed their finger against her, but if so I apologise for them and I'll make sure it will not happen again. And I repeat that since the Press Conference, on, the only people who can speak on my words and my thoughts are MY LAWYER BONGIORNO AND MYSELF. No One else is allowed to speak from my mouth or interpret my thoughts; neither my father.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 11:19 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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Exactly! Although, it also stinks of Marriott to me. Indeed, in his article, Thompson claims his sources to be close to Marriott as well as Knox. Almost certainly, Knox and Marriott have sat down together and had some little chats.


It must be upsetting to have spent so much money and effort on a propaganda campaign just to end up with no option other than pointing your finger at your partners in crime.

Just like any other snitch.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 11:24 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Ergon wrote:
Raffles issues abject apology after shot across bow: https://www.facebook.com/raffa.sollecit ... 5307686416

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I don't know if Magnani Cristina or my aunt Sara Achille ever said wrong things about Amanda or ever pointed their finger against her, but if so I apologise for them and I'll make sure it will not happen again. And I repeat that since the Press Conference, on, the only people who can speak on my words and my thoughts are MY LAWYER BONGIORNO AND MYSELF. No One else is allowed to speak from my mouth or interpret my thoughts; neither my father.

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I saw that. He's squirming.

The Knox fans are delighted, but it is too late. The damage is done. The words of his own lawyer during the press conference were that Knox was not with him the entire night and Sollecito expressed that despite everything he believes her to be innocent.

If they had been together at his apartment all night, he would know for sure she was innocent and he also would confirm her alibi, which he doesn't.

It's not about what he says, it's about what he refuses to say.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 12:30 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Sollecito has got the latest personal real scenario missive from Knox. Last one being the "Marie Pace" letter. Where else did that information come from other than from the Knox camp. Thompson a conduit, open, used for an "exclusive", from the Knox camp. Sollecito believes it checks out. The portal checked it out, article back up, verified. Hence the rapid back pedalling. He sat there like a zombie with Bongiorno, fed lines. Bongiorno always wanted him to pitch against Knox. His only chance. So. This new stuff is from the Knox camp. A new scenario. Knox told Marriot people her parents whoever, the real facts. Knox met Guede (later, in story replaced by Lumumba), at the basketball courts. Then she went over to the cottage to smoke with Guede. Meredith Kercher arrives. Did Guede steal from Meredith Kerchers room just prior to her arrival. Argument, which Guede witnessed and related. Guede sides with Meredith Kercher. Knox goes back to the apartment of the marginal "boyfriend" Sollecito, steaming with anger, needing an ally. Smokes with him (recorded). Plots. Goes back to the house and raises hell. The poison in that scenario of events can only be from the Knox camp. "Ground report" dying little portal, needing exclusives.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 12:50 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

I was having so much fun at Ground Report and they took that away. I posted one last comment this morning, it was accepted. When I refreshed the page, it was gone, boohoo.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 1:54 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

And of course we all know by now the debate with Chelsea Hoffman and Lisa Marie Basile was a dud.

First, a portentous announcement. The debate’s been cancelled, for ‘really valid reasons’. What, her cat died? Some one sent death threats. Oh really? Report it to the police. Want to withdraw from the debate? Fine, withdraw.

But no, there was sixty minutes of sisterly whingeing about social media and how anonymous people do stuff blah blah and people on both sides take this too seriously etc.

And for a non debate, it was sixty minutes of piffle, with a slur about Mignini being discredited and a for a site called True Justice, people getting too involved (if I heard correctly, I was pissed off by the time ) in the case.

I am not going to accuse any one of dishonesty or anything else without proof.. Maybe some anonymous persons sent something, I do not know.

But I do know this: a lot of pressure was put on Chelsea and Lisa Marie Basile. Tweets and all. And when I put some very polite corrections to her on her Huffington Post article last week Lisa Basile did not bother to reply or defend her views then either.

I know people were disappointed, angry even which is natural when you feel you’ve been misled. But in my opinion going on about it only gives cheap points to those who shout about abuse and victimhood. The real, known, abusers are those who threaten Sollecito’s family and friends, and those, as was pointed out on Twitter, who have abused the Kercher family for seven years..

I was really sad to see this glib generalization of a group of people whom I have come to know and respect in the last few years, but, we move on, and should not be providing more publicity to bloggers. The work we do here on both PMF’s, TJMK, and the Meredith Kercher Wiki stands for itself. We do not have to excuse or explain why True Justice For Meredith Kercher is a cause people can feel passionately about or advocate for, like the West Memphis Three, or Central Park jogger arrestees.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 5:12 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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I was having so much fun at Ground Report and they took that away. I posted one last comment this morning, it was accepted. When I refreshed the page, it was gone, boohoo.


Ground Report are such party poopers.

It is the ultimate Knox supporter playground.

It can be observed that Knox's supporters compensate with insults and personal attacks whenever they fail to find arguments to support their opinion.

They just post nonsense that has no real meaning to anyone.

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Judging by the spelling it looks not so much sukporters as Ms (code) Elttaes herself... Patrik, I mean, in which language is Patrick spelt Patrik?
Is it otherwise some kind of mark of disrespect: I'm so into all of this but the name of a main character fails me, or is asking too much of me, or is it another old case of that piece of shit Patrick who said those things about me, why the hell couldn't the guy just go quietly, act like it was the year 1502 and he was a slave on some boat, why did he have to be human, and have rights, he is to blame and the judges are too. Therefore, I shall never even write his humble name correctly, he is beneath me, he is one of the enemy.

Oh I see Ms Elttaes, that's all clear now then, but.. you said you liked him, if you liked him, how could you smirk at the guy while watching him getting hauled in for something you said he did, when you had made the whole thing up?

Ms Elttaes: I'm terminating this interview now! Goodbye.

Ms Elttaes: Cut, cut, director cut, you said I wouldn't be asked any questions like that.. godammit!

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 5:41 pm   Post subject: GROUND REPORT ARTICLE UP AGAIN, SORTA   

manfromatlan • a few seconds ago Ground Report

Even though the original Ground Report by Ted Thomson was taken down, under pressure and false reassurances by partisan pro-Amanda Knox editors they had contacted his sources:

You will note that even though the article has been taken down, the comments are hosted independently on Discus, so anyone accessing the Ground Report through webcache can access and reply to comments, even perhaps, add new ones :)
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 7:29 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Ted Thomson e-mail http://groundreport.com/profile/26667/ resolves to I have been threatened by Amanda Knox Lawyers do not e mail me.

Were the threats received from one Clive Wismayer, Esq., or, Anne Bremner :)
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 8:37 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Liz Houle has written an excellent article for The Examiner which includes the image of David Marriott as the puppet master and Linda Byron as his puppet.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 1:57 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

ABC News headline writer shows irony is not dead "Amanda Knox's Co-Defendant Finds Himself Innocent in College Thesis" ABC News
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 3:13 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

July 15, 2014

Raffaele Sollecito is a graduate with a thesis on the Kercher case
He received the title of Doctor of Science in Engineering and Computer Science. Examined the flow on the web of innocentisti vs. colpevolisti in the murder of Perugia.
In the coming months, the judgment of the Supreme Court

"With the powers bestowed upon me by law I award the doctor degree in engineering and computer science, evaluation 88 out of 110." Applause, camera flashes of relatives, handshakes, expression - finally - stretched into a smile. And a desire to be at least for one morning just a "normal" student who has completed his course of study. Raffaele Sollecito graduated this morning at the Department of Computer Science in Verona: his thesis is on an analysis of social networks, in which Sollecito also examined the flow on the web of innocentisti vs. colpevolisti opinions on his case. Normal is his face, red with emotion, the normal "Hey, Raffa" of his friends and fellow students, who embrace and shake hands. Another life, light years away from that of the front pages of newspapers, concentrated on the trials in those courtrooms where it has long been debated as to who had killed the young British student Meredith Kercher.

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Black suit, white shirt, tie with a touch of color in acid green. Raffaele is protected by legions of friends and relatives and his new girlfriend; all keep him away from camera flashes and tele cameras, lined up outside the classroom where he discussed his thesis. His father, excited as much as he (or maybe more?), embraces him, holds him. There is also one of his lawyers, Luca Maori, and computer consultants who have assisted in Kercher murder trial, as well as those who write the columns for local newspapers, with all eyes on him.

But today it has to be a calm day for Sollecito. "It's a happy day - he comments a bit lost/disoriented, perhaps due to tension, perhaps due to the presence of cameras - there are my friends, my family ... I was very tense," he lets out immediately after the debate, which took place behind closed doors.

A few more candidates, just long enough to cool down the overheated anxiety in the corridors of the Faculty [of Science], University of Verona, and then the proclamation, in the aula "Gino Tessari." There, journalists give him a moment's respite; cannot enter, "to protect him and others," says the University press office.

Sollecito was acquitted, along with Amanda Knox, for the murder of student Meredith Kercher, but the judgment was overturned by the Supreme Court, which then ordered a new trial in Florence, after which the two ex-lovers had been convicted. Judgment now under appeal by the defense: the Supreme Court will have to decide in the coming months. But today, it's time to celebrate. For one day, perhaps, you can forget the rest.


LA STAMPA
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Oh yeah, Raffa is so shy and 'modest', he tried to keep out of the media spotlight on his special day, but somehow, miraculously, this news is all over the web, and his PR agent probably called his good friends the paparazzi to come take lots of pictures of Raffaele & Family (finally, we get to see Vanessa again.)

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Raffaele Sollecito is a graduate with a thesis on himself
The young man, convicted of the murder of Meredith Kercher, discussed the thesis in computer engineering. Theme: innocentisti and colpevolisti on the web. Rating: 88 out of 110

The ceremony was attended by all his family and also one of his defenders, the lawyer Luca Maori, and computer consultants who have assisted in the trial for the murder of [Meredith] Kercher. On the cake made by his father Francesco was a parchment drawn with a drizzle of chocolate and this sentence: "The engineer Raffaele Sollecito reaches one of the most important goals of his life." "We are delighted - said on the phone the proud father of the boy, waiting for the plane to Bari - for us the goal achieved today by Raffaele has a great significance at this time." In celebration of the degree, Mr Sollecito has not got anything material for his son: "The gift that I give every day is my love - he explains - Raffaele is an ideal son, the one that all fathers would like to have."


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Liz Houle has written an excellent article for The Examiner which includes the image of David Marriott as the puppet master and Linda Byron as his puppet.

http://www.examiner.com/article/amanda- ... ers-degree

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 6:26 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

He really is a fruity fruitcake that guy eh, I mean, fancy using your own on-going case, as the subject of your dissertation, how imaginative, this guy is gonna go far in prison.

However, his chum Ms Seattle has probably been e-mailing the judge again swift-time.


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Dear Your Honorableness,

After notifying you of cancelling, I still have not received a reply from you.
I explained last time that I have a very busy schedule and would not be able to attend, then after asking you to cancel, I received no reply, I don't know why, but your failure to respond means I assume you agree to my terms. This is therefore my final warning. I'm not in the business of persecuting judges but I do not appreciate those things you said and will take you to court in America where it will cost you something like 10 million dollars. If you cancel your one against me I will not take out my one against you, this is the final time I am going to draw your attention to these matters and it is your last chance to put things write right before I persecute... prosecute... you

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Chelsea Hoffman has written a very insightful article on Raffaele Sollecito's psychology http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-ne ... dith-again
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The ceremony was attended by all his family and also one of his defenders, the lawyer Luca Maori, and computer consultants who have assisted in the trial for the murder of [Meredith] Kercher. On the cake made by his father Francesco was a parchment drawn with a drizzle of chocolate and this sentence: "The engineer Raffaele Sollecito reaches one of the most important goals of his life." "We are delighted - said on the phone the proud father of the boy, waiting for the plane to Bari - for us the goal achieved today by Raffaele has a great significance at this time." In celebration of the degree, Mr Sollecito has not got anything material for his son: "The gift that I give every day is my love - he explains - Raffaele is an ideal son, the one that all fathers would like to have."


I had no idea that Papa Doc did irony. I wonder if his son understands it.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 11:27 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Besides publishing racial slurs and revolting comments insulting gays, Amanda Knox supporters have now stooped to a new low by creating a fake account in John Kercher's name and tweeting in support of Amanda Knox.

Not a particular original idea, but it proves once more that they have no compassion or as much as an ounce of respect for the real victims of this tragedy.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 12:05 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

A short video clip of Sollecito's graduation ceremony:

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I thought it was supposed to be a 'private moment', but, quite predictably, someone leaked this video to the press.

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Raffaele Sollecito, he graduated with a degree on the murder of Meredith

To discuss a thesis about yourself is something really rare and unique. And to do that you also need a certain amount of hair on the stomach [una certa dose di pelo sullo stomaco], i.e. you need to be ruthless, especially when the thesis in question concerns the murder of Meredith and when the author is the one who is accused of having committed the murder, or Raffaele Sollecito. That's what happened on Tuesday morning, when Raffaele received his degree in Computer Engineering at the University of Verona, with a grade of 88/110 (in the video you see the moment of the announcement/proclamation, with Sollecito from behind).

A grade is not excellent, but it definitely fades into the background when the topic of the thesis concerns "Innocentisti and colpevolisti on the web in the case of the murder of Perugia." Thesis written in English but discussed in Italian, in which, so to speak, is also discussed the fact that Sollecito's name was most often associated with the word innocent in the days after the final verdict (which was a conviction).
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 1:28 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Nell wrote:
Besides publishing racial slurs and revolting comments insulting gays, Amanda Knox supporters have now stooped to a new low by creating a fake account in John Kercher's name and tweeting in support of Amanda Knox.

Not a particular original idea, but it proves once more that they have no compassion or as much as an ounce of respect for the real victims of this tragedy.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 1:30 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

A few more details about Sollecito's thesis:

Sollecito graduating with a thesis on social networks and Meredith case

A thesis of innocence, almost. At least according to the web: "In the days after the verdict my name was most often associated with the word 'innocent' which had produced twice the number of results than those achieved by associating my name with the word 'guilty'."... "But I only proposed to the Committee a scientific fact, not commented on it ... ".

However, the deduction is really easy: Raffaele Sollecito, convicted in the second degree of the murder of British student Meredith Kercher, in Perugia in 2007, said, in the argument that had allowed him to graduate in computer engineering in Verona yesterday, that the people of Internet had few doubts about his court case: the innosentisti, at least in the days examined in the study, namely the ones after the verdict in Florence, were twice the number of colpevolisti. "I did an experiment on myself" ... "The interesting thing is that in the days of the verdict - he said on the phone, in a gentle tone - there was a complete reversal [of opinion on the web]: for the justice [system] I was guilty, but the web, or at least the users of the search engine that I have examined , gave an alternative interpretation."

Skillful defensive strategy or spontaneous scientific interest? Of course, he got 88 out of 110: the thesis, written entirely in English but discussed in Italian - supervisor Professor Gloria Menegaz, president of the graduation commission Professor Franco Fummi - is entitled "Social network analysis and semantic proximity." He explains the part in which he examines the story of Perugia: "The semantic correlation of my name associated with the word 'innocent' has produced a number of articles with respect to those with the word 'guilty.' And there's another interesting fact: the interest on the case grew further."

After the discussion of the thesis, Raffaele Sollecito had a graduation lunch with his new girlfriend, family and friends: "Now I will take a short holiday in my home country and then get myself to study for professional registration of engineers". In a few months, the judgment of the Court of Cassation on which Sollecito does not want to say much: "I hope all goes well." Because the choice between "guilt" or "innocence" that day will be really decisive.


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Does anybody else think that the central theme of his thesis is kind of trivial? It should not surprise anyone that he has been awarded such a low grade overall.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 1:56 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Ergon wrote:
Nell wrote:
Besides publishing racial slurs and revolting comments insulting gays, Amanda Knox supporters have now stooped to a new low by creating a fake account in John Kercher's name and tweeting in support of Amanda Knox.

Not a particular original idea, but it proves once more that they have no compassion or as much as an ounce of respect for the real victims of this tragedy.

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Thank you Ergon!
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 2:12 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

guermantes wrote:
A few more details about Sollecito's thesis:

Sollecito graduating with a thesis on social networks and Meredith case

A thesis of innocence, almost. At least according to the web: "In the days after the verdict my name was most often associated with the word 'innocent' which had produced twice the number of results than those achieved by associating my name with the word 'guilty'."... "But I only proposed to the Committee a scientific fact, not commented on it ... ".

However, the deduction is really easy: Raffaele Sollecito, convicted in the second degree of the murder of British student Meredith Kercher, in Perugia in 2007, said, in the argument that had allowed him to graduate in computer engineering in Verona yesterday, that the people of Internet had few doubts about his court case: the innosentisti, at least in the days examined in the study, namely the ones after the verdict in Florence, were twice the number of colpevolisti. "I did an experiment on myself" ... "The interesting thing is that in the days of the verdict - he said on the phone, in a gentle tone - there was a complete reversal [of opinion on the web]: for the justice [system] I was guilty, but the web, or at least the users of the search engine that I have examined , gave an alternative interpretation."

Skillful defensive strategy or spontaneous scientific interest? Of course, he got 88 out of 110: the thesis, written entirely in English but discussed in Italian - supervisor Professor Gloria Menegaz, president of the graduation commission Professor Franco Fummi - is entitled "Social network analysis and semantic proximity." He explains the part in which he examines the story of Perugia: "The semantic correlation of my name associated with the word 'innocent' has produced a number of articles with respect to those with the word 'guilty.' And there's another interesting fact: the interest on the case grew further."

After the discussion of the thesis, Raffaele Sollecito had a graduation lunch with his new girlfriend, family and friends: "Now I will take a short holiday in my home country and then get myself to study for professional registration of engineers". In a few months, the judgment of the Court of Cassation on which Sollecito does not want to say much: "I hope all goes well." Because the choice between "guilt" or "innocence" that day will be really decisive.


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Does anybody else think that the central theme of his thesis is kind of trivial? It should not surprise anyone that he has been awarded such a low grade overall.


I was thinking the same thing. It does not sound very scientific to try to draw conclusions about guilt or innocence based on social media search results which can be easily manipulated.

Amanda Knox has used bot accounts to tweet in her own support the same old tired tweet over and over again.

Sollecito's thesis - from what has been reported so far - sounds very simplistic.

It seems void of any intelligent critical thinking like taking into account the possibility of using multiple accounts, fake accounts and bot accounts, family members etc. Has the individual commenting online read the available court documentation or is there any other reason for that person to be biased against the judiciary, like felons? Those are all circumstances that will have a direct influence on the outcome of the search results, so it would be interesting to know how Sollecito can assure all comments are genuine.

Considering all the above, I think he received an outstanding grade for his rubbish.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 3:00 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Another short video from yesterday (July 15, TGCOM24):

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 3:36 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

With a search on his own reputation on the social networks, Sollecito has specialized in Computer Engineering: My name is linked to the word innocent, he says

Raffaele Sollecito has arrived at his second degree, a major in computer engineering at the University of Verona. The thesis, for which he earned the title with a score of 88 out of 110, was centered on the analysis of the flow of ideas on social networks. So far, there would be nothing unusual, except that Sollecito also studied how social networks had dealt with the murder of Meredith Kercher and how the comments for and against himself had evolved during the various stages of the proceedings.
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Concurrently with the sentence for him and Amanda Knox in the appeal trial of Florence, the interest in social networks had increased, but "especially the combination of my name and the word innocent had doubled," wrote Sollecito in his thesis in English. And "in the following days, when the interest of the web had waned, the same association had remained prevalent."

The neo-engineer meanwhile continues to raise funds to meet the costs of his legal battle: so far he has raised nearly 43 thousand dollars.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 5:15 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

The fake site https://twitter.com/TrueJusticeorg1 has been taken down!


Enough people, complaining, will do the trick. Next time anyone sees one of the FOA doing this, please let me know immediately. Oh, and Bruce Fischer seems to be upset with me on my timeline for some, or many, strange reasons, I can't figure out why :)
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 6:57 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Nell wrote:
guermantes wrote:
A few more details about Sollecito's thesis:

Sollecito graduating with a thesis on social networks and Meredith case

A thesis of innocence, almost. At least according to the web: "In the days after the verdict my name was most often associated with the word 'innocent' which had produced twice the number of results than those achieved by associating my name with the word 'guilty'."... "But I only proposed to the Committee a scientific fact, not commented on it ... ".

However, the deduction is really easy: Raffaele Sollecito, convicted in the second degree of the murder of British student Meredith Kercher, in Perugia in 2007, said, in the argument that had allowed him to graduate in computer engineering in Verona yesterday, that the people of Internet had few doubts about his court case: the innosentisti, at least in the days examined in the study, namely the ones after the verdict in Florence, were twice the number of colpevolisti. "I did an experiment on myself" ... "The interesting thing is that in the days of the verdict - he said on the phone, in a gentle tone - there was a complete reversal [of opinion on the web]: for the justice [system] I was guilty, but the web, or at least the users of the search engine that I have examined , gave an alternative interpretation."

Skillful defensive strategy or spontaneous scientific interest? Of course, he got 88 out of 110: the thesis, written entirely in English but discussed in Italian - supervisor Professor Gloria Menegaz, president of the graduation commission Professor Franco Fummi - is entitled "Social network analysis and semantic proximity." He explains the part in which he examines the story of Perugia: "The semantic correlation of my name associated with the word 'innocent' has produced a number of articles with respect to those with the word 'guilty.' And there's another interesting fact: the interest on the case grew further."

After the discussion of the thesis, Raffaele Sollecito had a graduation lunch with his new girlfriend, family and friends: "Now I will take a short holiday in my home country and then get myself to study for professional registration of engineers". In a few months, the judgment of the Court of Cassation on which Sollecito does not want to say much: "I hope all goes well." Because the choice between "guilt" or "innocence" that day will be really decisive.


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Does anybody else think that the central theme of his thesis is kind of trivial? It should not surprise anyone that he has been awarded such a low grade overall.


I was thinking the same thing. It does not sound very scientific to try to draw conclusions about guilt or innocence based on social media search results which can be easily manipulated.

Amanda Knox has used bot accounts to tweet in her own support the same old tired tweet over and over again.

Sollecito's thesis - from what has been reported so far - sounds very simplistic.

It seems void of any intelligent critical thinking like taking into account the possibility of using multiple accounts, fake accounts and bot accounts, family members etc. Has the individual commenting online read the available court documentation or is there any other reason for that person to be biased against the judiciary, like felons? Those are all circumstances that will have a direct influence on the outcome of the search results, so it would be interesting to know how Sollecito can assure all comments are genuine.

Considering all the above, I think he received an outstanding grade for his rubbish.



Like the folks in Seattle he sought refuge from reality in the comforting notion that image is reality and as image can be manipulated, then so can reality. The hard real world saw him convicted but he sought solace and encouragement in the web association with innocence. An association largely driven by a manic PR campaign driven by his accomplice's paid PR help.

He equates the volume of web stories with real world interest. False

He equates the opinion shouted most widely on the net as reflecting public opinion. False

He equates the level of social media traffic as a gauge of the chances of having public opinion force a change of judicial direction. Laughable.

Instead of spending his time counting up obscure stories on the net, he should have spent it having a hard talk with his lawyers about exactly what his real chances were. His next thesis should be on the lack or correlation between social media activity and jail time served. He'll have plenty of time to write it.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 10:57 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

La Nazione reports that Amanda Knox will start a new job at a publishing house in New York in August.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 11:32 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

SqueakEMouse wrote:
Like the folks in Seattle he sought refuge from reality in the comforting notion that image is reality and as image can be manipulated, then so can reality. The hard real world saw him convicted but he sought solace and encouragement in the web association with innocence. An association largely driven by a manic PR campaign driven by his accomplice's paid PR help.

He equates the volume of web stories with real world interest. False

He equates the opinion shouted most widely on the net as reflecting public opinion. False

He equates the level of social media traffic as a gauge of the chances of having public opinion force a change of judicial direction. Laughable.

Instead of spending his time counting up obscure stories on the net, he should have spent it having a hard talk with his lawyers about exactly what his real chances were. His next thesis should be on the lack or correlation between social media activity and jail time served. He'll have plenty of time to write it.


I agree with your comment.

I wonder if Amanda Knox has inspired him to rewrite history. That's what she and her family have done since the beginning. Just think about the "ever growing support".
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SqueakEMouse wrote:
Nell wrote:
guermantes wrote:
A few more details about Sollecito's thesis:

Sollecito graduating with a thesis on social networks and Meredith case

A thesis of innocence, almost. At least according to the web: "In the days after the verdict my name was most often associated with the word 'innocent' which had produced twice the number of results than those achieved by associating my name with the word 'guilty'."... "But I only proposed to the Committee a scientific fact, not commented on it ... ".

However, the deduction is really easy: Raffaele Sollecito, convicted in the second degree of the murder of British student Meredith Kercher, in Perugia in 2007, said, in the argument that had allowed him to graduate in computer engineering in Verona yesterday, that the people of Internet had few doubts about his court case: the innosentisti, at least in the days examined in the study, namely the ones after the verdict in Florence, were twice the number of colpevolisti. "I did an experiment on myself" ... "The interesting thing is that in the days of the verdict - he said on the phone, in a gentle tone - there was a complete reversal [of opinion on the web]: for the justice [system] I was guilty, but the web, or at least the users of the search engine that I have examined , gave an alternative interpretation."

Skillful defensive strategy or spontaneous scientific interest? Of course, he got 88 out of 110: the thesis, written entirely in English but discussed in Italian - supervisor Professor Gloria Menegaz, president of the graduation commission Professor Franco Fummi - is entitled "Social network analysis and semantic proximity." He explains the part in which he examines the story of Perugia: "The semantic correlation of my name associated with the word 'innocent' has produced a number of articles with respect to those with the word 'guilty.' And there's another interesting fact: the interest on the case grew further."

After the discussion of the thesis, Raffaele Sollecito had a graduation lunch with his new girlfriend, family and friends: "Now I will take a short holiday in my home country and then get myself to study for professional registration of engineers". In a few months, the judgment of the Court of Cassation on which Sollecito does not want to say much: "I hope all goes well." Because the choice between "guilt" or "innocence" that day will be really decisive.


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Does anybody else think that the central theme of his thesis is kind of trivial? It should not surprise anyone that he has been awarded such a low grade overall.


I was thinking the same thing. It does not sound very scientific to try to draw conclusions about guilt or innocence based on social media search results which can be easily manipulated.

Amanda Knox has used bot accounts to tweet in her own support the same old tired tweet over and over again.

Sollecito's thesis - from what has been reported so far - sounds very simplistic.

It seems void of any intelligent critical thinking like taking into account the possibility of using multiple accounts, fake accounts and bot accounts, family members etc. Has the individual commenting online read the available court documentation or is there any other reason for that person to be biased against the judiciary, like felons? Those are all circumstances that will have a direct influence on the outcome of the search results, so it would be interesting to know how Sollecito can assure all comments are genuine.

Considering all the above, I think he received an outstanding grade for his rubbish.



Like the folks in Seattle he sought refuge from reality in the comforting notion that image is reality and as image can be manipulated, then so can reality. The hard real world saw him convicted but he sought solace and encouragement in the web association with innocence. An association largely driven by a manic PR campaign driven by his accomplice's paid PR help.

He equates the volume of web stories with real world interest. False

He equates the opinion shouted most widely on the net as reflecting public opinion. False

He equates the level of social media traffic as a gauge of the chances of having public opinion force a change of judicial direction. Laughable.

Instead of spending his time counting up obscure stories on the net, he should have spent it having a hard talk with his lawyers about exactly what his real chances were. His next thesis should be on the lack or correlation between social media activity and jail time served. He'll have plenty of time to write it.

Whens he going back to jail?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 12:39 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Nell wrote:
La Nazione reports that Amanda Knox will start a new job at a publishing house in New York in August.


Did the story appear to counter RS's " great" achievement with his thesis. Is it a hope of hers or some fan promising help in finding a position? Regardless this is just another PR leak for AK.
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malvern wrote:
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La Nazione reports that Amanda Knox will start a new job at a publishing house in New York in August.


Did the story appear to counter RS's " great" achievement with his thesis. Is it a hope of hers or some fan promising help in finding a position? Regardless this is just another PR leak for AK.


What I find odd is that this is not mentioned in the English speaking media at all.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 2:56 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Yeah- Woman from Seattle hired to work in New York first reported in an Italian article.

Horror kill stories might be an option... but I don't think without somebody fixing the crappy writing.
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Hi, Nell, dgfred, re: Knox's job opening, if true, most likely she's been offered an internship at Harper Collins. Wanna bet there's a novel in the works?

Obviously aimed at an Italian audience, to spoil Raffaele's recent announcement. Also in anticipation of a date for Cassazione's hearing of their appeals to be announced.

Roberto Conticelli is regional editor of La Nazione Umbria, based in Perugia. As such he could well have received a tip from his contact in the Knox camp (Frank Sfarzo comes to mind), but the rest, reads tongue in cheek, I think :)

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Amanda got a job, as a writer
In the coming days graduation. Then place in a publishing house in New York

DEGREE FOR PROMPT / CONVICTION FOR AMANDA AND RAFFAELE IN THE PROCESS OF APPEAL BIS / THE REASONS FOR JUDGMENT OF THE PROCESS OF APPEAL BIS / THE APPEAL TO CASSAZIONE

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C Meredith murder, Sollecito: "The memorial Amanda exonerates me, it gives me an excuse"

Perugia, July 17, 2014 - LOOKS LIKE A MOVIE, but a kind of indefinable somewhere between noir and romantic comedy. We are indeed to blow & Answer: the very recent graduate in Computer Raffaele Sollecito, achieved in Verona in front of family and new girlfriend Greta, immediately responds Amanda Knox, majoring in "writing" in a university in Seattle, in the U.S., the city of origin of the now twenty-seven student involved in the case of crime more complicated in recent decades.

DISCUSSION of her thesis has already been scheduled for the next few days and no later than the end of July. Why starting from August Amanda will start working in a major publishing house in New York, in which you can take advantage of the fresh degree that ensures accurate academic preparation in the field of composition of a newspaper article, an essay or a novel, whatever you want. On the other hand in the case of Knox there is already a previous literature which is not insignificant: the book called "Waiting To Be Heard," released only in the United States (the guaranteed compensation millionaire) that she has written on his personal story . Destinies are separated, then, Raphael has now got another girl he took some time ago to Perugia and embraced in a picture which was taken a stone's throw from the house in Via della Pergola, but also destinations that almost mysteriously returned to interbreed, as the degrees of the two young people involved in delittaccio arrive at a distance of a few days apart.

BALANCE AS who would like to somehow divide along other paths of life but who are struggling not just forget what has happened: in his dissertation, in fact, Dr. Sollecito also analyzes the views expressed in the "global village" of the Web innocentisti and colpevolisti with respect to the murder of poor Meredith, while the craft chased by Amanda, in fact the communication through writing, seems to derive directly from the sensational media effect that her story has had and continues to have in the landscape of world news.

SEEMS TO BE, in short, a thin thread which continues to join Amanda and Raffaele, although the Italian has recently changed defensive strategy, in fact, at least procedurally somehow moving away from the former girlfriend. So much so that the relationship between the two, however, had remained standing even after their release, now seem to have cooled considerably.

Roberto Conticelli

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 5:47 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

ttrroonniicc wrote:
SqueakEMouse wrote:
Nell wrote:
guermantes wrote:
A few more details about Sollecito's thesis:

Sollecito graduating with a thesis on social networks and Meredith case

A thesis of innocence, almost. At least according to the web: "In the days after the verdict my name was most often associated with the word 'innocent' which had produced twice the number of results than those achieved by associating my name with the word 'guilty'."... "But I only proposed to the Committee a scientific fact, not commented on it ... ".

However, the deduction is really easy: Raffaele Sollecito, convicted in the second degree of the murder of British student Meredith Kercher, in Perugia in 2007, said, in the argument that had allowed him to graduate in computer engineering in Verona yesterday, that the people of Internet had few doubts about his court case: the innosentisti, at least in the days examined in the study, namely the ones after the verdict in Florence, were twice the number of colpevolisti. "I did an experiment on myself" ... "The interesting thing is that in the days of the verdict - he said on the phone, in a gentle tone - there was a complete reversal [of opinion on the web]: for the justice [system] I was guilty, but the web, or at least the users of the search engine that I have examined , gave an alternative interpretation."

Skillful defensive strategy or spontaneous scientific interest? Of course, he got 88 out of 110: the thesis, written entirely in English but discussed in Italian - supervisor Professor Gloria Menegaz, president of the graduation commission Professor Franco Fummi - is entitled "Social network analysis and semantic proximity." He explains the part in which he examines the story of Perugia: "The semantic correlation of my name associated with the word 'innocent' has produced a number of articles with respect to those with the word 'guilty.' And there's another interesting fact: the interest on the case grew further."

After the discussion of the thesis, Raffaele Sollecito had a graduation lunch with his new girlfriend, family and friends: "Now I will take a short holiday in my home country and then get myself to study for professional registration of engineers". In a few months, the judgment of the Court of Cassation on which Sollecito does not want to say much: "I hope all goes well." Because the choice between "guilt" or "innocence" that day will be really decisive.


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Does anybody else think that the central theme of his thesis is kind of trivial? It should not surprise anyone that he has been awarded such a low grade overall.


I was thinking the same thing. It does not sound very scientific to try to draw conclusions about guilt or innocence based on social media search results which can be easily manipulated.

Amanda Knox has used bot accounts to tweet in her own support the same old tired tweet over and over again.

Sollecito's thesis - from what has been reported so far - sounds very simplistic.

It seems void of any intelligent critical thinking like taking into account the possibility of using multiple accounts, fake accounts and bot accounts, family members etc. Has the individual commenting online read the available court documentation or is there any other reason for that person to be biased against the judiciary, like felons? Those are all circumstances that will have a direct influence on the outcome of the search results, so it would be interesting to know how Sollecito can assure all comments are genuine.

Considering all the above, I think he received an outstanding grade for his rubbish.



Like the folks in Seattle he sought refuge from reality in the comforting notion that image is reality and as image can be manipulated, then so can reality. The hard real world saw him convicted but he sought solace and encouragement in the web association with innocence. An association largely driven by a manic PR campaign driven by his accomplice's paid PR help.

He equates the volume of web stories with real world interest. False

He equates the opinion shouted most widely on the net as reflecting public opinion. False

He equates the level of social media traffic as a gauge of the chances of having public opinion force a change of judicial direction. Laughable.

Instead of spending his time counting up obscure stories on the net, he should have spent it having a hard talk with his lawyers about exactly what his real chances were. His next thesis should be on the lack or correlation between social media activity and jail time served. He'll have plenty of time to write it.

Whens he going back to jail?



Soon. Time is running out. I still bet on him trying to make a run for it but all his little schemes have failed so far:

Plan A. Find a nice country to set up shop and brazenly stick two fingers up at Italy from safety (Switzerland)
Fail. They waved him goodbye at the airport.

Plan B. Find a nice OBSCURE country to set up shop and discreetly stick two gingers up at Italy from safety and a sunny beach.
Fail. Dominica may be a favourite with Mafioso but he hasn't got the cash, it's not as discrete as he needs and it's not as safe either.

Plan C. Find some mug to marry him and get him immunity in a foreign country.
Multiple fails. The South American girlfriend is a last hope but a real longshot.

Plan D. Have a day trip to Austria at the last minute and keep going.
Fail. Now he doesn't even have a passport.

Plan E. We shall see. But with his strike rate it will be a complete fiasco anyway and he'll still be within reach of the law. Better to book a cell with a window seat now and start spilling the beans but he's too cowardly to do that and too stupid to see that it's actually his best option.
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TJMK. 'hopeful' comment

Then they forgot the Sollecitos, a family so unlike their own, much higher class. They didn’t know the enemy, nor realize the Sollecitos had a greater advantage being in Italy than Knox did being far away. They didn’t know their disrespect for the Sollecitos after they used them like Amanda did Raffaele and then dropped them, would not go unavenged.

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I guess maybe monetarily. Not morally that is for sure... that is a tie.
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Hi, Nell, dgfred, re: Knox's job opening, if true, most likely she's been offered an internship at Harper Collins. Wanna bet there's a novel in the works?


Didn't her book sell abysmally? (I haven't seen any recent sales figures.) Would HarperCollins double down and hire her?
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Hi, Nell, dgfred, re: Knox's job opening, if true, most likely she's been offered an internship at Harper Collins. Wanna bet there's a novel in the works?

Obviously aimed at an Italian audience, to spoil Raffaele's recent announcement. Also in anticipation of a date for Cassazione's hearing of their appeals to be announced.

Roberto Conticelli is regional editor of La Nazione Umbria, based in Perugia. As such he could well have received a tip from his contact in the Knox camp (Frank Sfarzo comes to mind), but the rest, reads tongue in cheek, I think :)

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I thought about that too. In any case it is telling that this "news" has somehow reached Italy but has not been reported in the U.S. Makes you wonder if Harper Collins is aware that an intern is going to join them in August. Just sayin'.
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was trawling thru .org

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Can I share something with you all, my dear friends? When I was a tiny little person - about three years old - I watched a snail drown in a wheelbarrow full of water. I knew it was drowning. I did nothing to stop it drowning. I FEEL GUILTY ABOUT THAT TO THIS DAY. I am not kidding.

Can snails drown? Have I carried this guilt around with me for years and years and years.
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Biff's GF looks uncomfortably a bit like Meredith. How f'ing creepy.
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And when Comodi aggressively pressed her about the phone calls to her mother, she was belligerent. “During the conversation you had with her in prison, even your mother was amazed that you called her at midday, which is three or four o’clock in the morning, to tell her that nothing happened,” said Comodi. “I don’t know what had happened,” stammered Amanda. “I just called my mother to say we had been told to leave the house and that I had heard something.” Comodi pressed on: “But at midday nothing had happened yet, the door had not been broken down yet.” Amanda was cocky. “OK. I don’t remember that phone call. I remember that I called her to tell her what we had heard about a foot. Maybe I did call before, but I don’t remember.” “You did do it,” whispered Comodi, smiling. A hush fell over the courtroom. “Ok, fine, I did then,” said Amanda sarcastically. “But I don’t remember.” Like so many moments during the trial, the tension in the courtroom began to rise. Amanda’s lawyers were fidgeting, and Mignini leaned back in his chair.

Nadeau, Barbie Latza (2010-03-05). Angel Face: The True Story of Student Killer Amanda Knox (pp. 141-142). Perseus Books Group. Kindle Edition.

Flippant. just another major thing passed over with "I don't remember".
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 8:24 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

zinnia wrote:
Biff's GF looks uncomfortably a bit like Meredith. How f'ing creepy.



Hi Zinnia. What I find creepiest of all and no little astonishing, is the degree to which both Sollecito and Knox have used Meredith to advance their lives since her death, for all their simply "wanting to get on with their lives" and "not knowing her very well". Both of them have written books based on her murder for which they've been paid millions and now Sollecito has used her to pass his degree. For all their claims, neither of them seem to be capable of having a life without her.

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RumaRämäRomu wrote:
Ergon wrote:
Hi, Nell, dgfred, re: Knox's job opening, if true, most likely she's been offered an internship at Harper Collins. Wanna bet there's a novel in the works?


Didn't her book sell abysmally? (I haven't seen any recent sales figures.) Would HarperCollins double down and hire her?


Hi Ruma. Yes, it did, Not only that, she didn't even write it herself, of course, it was ghost written. So, it seems to me, if there is any truth at all about the hiring, it is due to her notoriety and not her skills/experience/qualifications as a writer.

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I hope David Marriott and Bruce Fischer like my latest tweets:

https://twitter.com/harryrag/status/489954418411175936

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@TM - Done

@jar - I just 'pooped' over to org :) but yes, IIP does seem to be moving on. Here's hoping they defend people who actually are innocent one day, and I will wish them well.

@Bard - I killed a bird 50 yrs ago. Felt guilty about it since. Doubt the two feel guilty. The levels of denial in them are interesting to observe.

@RumaRämäRomu - Re the rumored job offer. Amanda Knox is a 'celebrity'. As such, she's a 'property' and Rupert Murdoch would like to get his $4 million (guaranteed) advance back. He just made an offer to purchase Time Warner which would make him even more of a media octopus, which means more Knox coverage on CNN, People Magazine covers, etc.

Movies will be made for years to come.

Controversy, sadly, sells.

The mistake we make is expecting normal human actions from people who are on the sociopathic/psychopathic scale, they certainly make 'logical' decisions. Murdoch gave a six million pound book advance to Blair, and over $10 million to Bush Jr (Represented by Bob Barnett too, don't forget)

Murdoch's karma will be his karma, but anyone attached to Knox seems to have interesting lives. Whether his company Harper Collins announces a Knox novel this fall or she actually goes to work there I don't know. She's too emotionally fragile to survive New York, not while the Supreme Court decision awaits.

But Knox announcements till then? She gets a job, becomes pregnant, marries?

All PR, on the back of a murder. That she committed. Shocking! Shameful.
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Can't help but think that the "ground report" (Fred Thompson) was a warning to Sollecito, because of it's timing (right after Sollecito tutored by Bongiorno, throwing her under the bus again (at a press conference). Thompson, who has proven himself with his three prior reports on the site, as something of an investigator (& keen). Fed information, new information which made him bite, made him convince the site that his sources checked out. Had to be unique information. Also had to be unique information to make Sollecito bite, respond, backtrack on his turnaround as he did, very quickly. Similar to the Marie Pace letter. Information only he and Knox would know. Threatening to reveal further, easily, incrimininating him.
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ttrroonniicc wrote:
was trawling thru .org

funny:

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Can I share something with you all, my dear friends? When I was a tiny little person - about three years old - I watched a snail drown in a wheelbarrow full of water. I knew it was drowning. I did nothing to stop it drowning. I FEEL GUILTY ABOUT THAT TO THIS DAY. I am not kidding.

Can snails drown? Have I carried this guilt around with me for years and years and years.


No, you don't 'trawl' through .ORG to bring back something you can use to make the comment you did just now. It was unkind and I won't tolerate that.
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Ergon wrote:
ttrroonniicc wrote:
was trawling thru .org

funny:

The Bard wrote:
Can I share something with you all, my dear friends? When I was a tiny little person - about three years old - I watched a snail drown in a wheelbarrow full of water. I knew it was drowning. I did nothing to stop it drowning. I FEEL GUILTY ABOUT THAT TO THIS DAY. I am not kidding.

Can snails drown? Have I carried this guilt around with me for years and years and years.


No, you don't 'trawl' through .ORG to bring back something you can use to make the comment you did just now. It was unkind and I won't tolerate that.

observation about psychology in general, not the person. correct.
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The video you posted certainly gave the impression you equated that person's (in the video) behaviour with a named member of ORG (who doesn't even post here), and I did give you the chance to withdraw gracefully, in my earlier post, ttrroonniicc. But as to psychology in general, I don't see how you can apply adult standards to the recollection of a three year old child, just saying.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 1:38 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Someone claiming to be Amanda Knox posted the following on Ground Report http://groundreport.com/amanda-knox-article-taken-down-after-fact-check-confirmed/

Amanda • 6 hours ago Link to comment: http://groundreport.com/amanda-knox-art ... 1491834645

Someone said here that "innocent people do not hide".
I have nothing to hide.
So here I am.

I read a lot but I do not post much.
I am glad this article was taken down by GR, that was a lie.
I will not talk much about the case, the court in Italy is working on the case.
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Ms Knox, do you have a job offer to work for a publisher in New York this August, as reported by La Nazione? Addressed to Amanda Knox only, if you are she.

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Should be interesting to see if she responds.
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Should be interesting to see if she responds.


No spotlights, no microphones, no tv cameras, no articles and headlines that go around the world. She has lowered herself to comment on Ground Report about a removed article that concerned her.
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Ergon quoting someone claiming to be Amanda Knox wrote:
I will not talk much about the case, the court in Italy is working on the case.


LMAO! As if that has ever stopped her before! All the time she was doing her various interviews and "writing" her book and blog the courts in Italy were "working on the case"! It seems to me, the courts are used as an excuse of convenience.


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No spotlights, no microphones, no tv cameras, no articles and headlines that go around the world. She has lowered herself to comment on Ground Report about a removed article that concerned her.



There are many things published about Amanda Knox, on a regular basis, that the Knox camp claim aren't true, yet Knox doesn't normally decide to personally publicly respond to them with denials. However, she decides to respond to this, on Ground Report no less. It's further evidence to me that the Thomson article was true, insomuch that it was fed to Thomson by Team Knox in a desperate attempt to reign in Sollecito. Too much a case of "the lady doth protest too much" about it.

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ttrroonniicc wrote:
Can't help but think that the "ground report" (Fred Thompson) was a warning to Sollecito, because of it's timing (right after Sollecito tutored by Bongiorno, throwing her under the bus again (at a press conference). Thompson, who has proven himself with his three prior reports on the site, as something of an investigator (& keen). Fed information, new information which made him bite, made him convince the site that his sources checked out. Had to be unique information. Also had to be unique information to make Sollecito bite, respond, backtrack on his turnaround as he did, very quickly. Similar to the Marie Pace letter. Information only he and Knox would know. Threatening to reveal further, easily, incrimininating him.



It's a John Woo standoff - each pointing a gun at the other's head. But neither can fire without the other doing so and neither can just walk away. She cannot incriminate him without incriminating herself. His best course right at the start was to have spilt the beans and tried his luck going for lesser charges.

It's all a bit late in the day. They are already past second appeal. Her only card is the tame US media and that has been played a lot of times. To 'reveal' anything she knows after more than seven years would blow away that last desperate card. How would she do it? More 'flashbacks' and seeing things in 'dreams' that might have taken place? She couldn't even claim that she was scared of reprisals as he is on a different continent. Once again, her years of strident media claims would work against her. She had all those opportunities to reveal details but instead said very different things and was never shy about doing so. Nor reticient about making millions from her lies and ever willing about accepting a tearful interview opportunity or a photocall. All those claims about how close she was to her 'friend' Meredith and after all this time she would accuse the man she has cuddled up to, publicly defended and made money with from the 'lovebird' angle. The 'We are innocent' placard would make a mockery of her motives as would a pile of her other actions and utterances.

They are where they were on day one. Each wriggling on the hook. Each looking for a way out. Each happy to drop the other if only they could do so without worsening their own position. There's the reason. It's all threats and innuendo followed by back peddling and reassurances. The only conclusion is that they are responsible in pretty much equal measure. Each can throw the accusation back at the other with bells on. We have booted this around for years and everything they do just reinforces it. But now they are running out of time. If Sollecito doesn't find that South American bolthole, he may be the one to properly and finally point the finger first. He will be the first to hear the cell door shut. He will have immense pressure from his family. Gnawing away at him will be the thought that maybe, just maybe, Knox is safe in the US while he gets locked up. Lets see how bound he is by honour then.
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They are where they were on day one. Each wriggling on the hook. Each looking for a way out. Each happy to drop the other if only they could do so without worsening their own position. There's the reason. It's all threats and innuendo followed by back peddling and reassurances. The only conclusion is that they are responsible in pretty much equal measure. Each can throw the accusation back at the other with bells on. We have booted this around for years and everything they do just reinforces it. But now they are running out of time. If Sollecito doesn't find that South American bolthole, he may be the one to properly and finally point the finger first. He will be the first to hear the cell door shut. He will have immense pressure from his family. Gnawing away at him will be the thought that maybe, just maybe, Knox is safe in the US while he gets locked up. Lets see how bound he is by honour then.


Which is proof, if any more were needed, that neither is guilty only of some lesser role in the crime. Had that have been the case, they'd have admitted that lesser role a long time ago. It's clear, just as it always was, that both fully participated in Meredith's sexual assault and murder...enthusiastically. If either want to try and claim some lesser role now, it's far far too late.

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Ergon wrote:
ttrroonniicc wrote:
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The Bard wrote:
Can I share something with you all, my dear friends? When I was a tiny little person - about three years old - I watched a snail drown in a wheelbarrow full of water. I knew it was drowning. I did nothing to stop it drowning. I FEEL GUILTY ABOUT THAT TO THIS DAY. I am not kidding.

Can snails drown? Have I carried this guilt around with me for years and years and years.


No, you don't 'trawl' through .ORG to bring back something you can use to make the comment you did just now. It was unkind and I won't tolerate that.


Just musing here. Children can be extremely cruel and it often manifests itself in action against animals. Often it's not malice exactly, more an extreme curiosity coupled with a lack of empathy or respect for living things. We used to take a magnifying glass and burn holes in paper. We soon began launching offensives against spiders or ants. I think the overriding feeling was a twisted curiosity. I look back and blanch, not particularly at the fate of an ant ( I have put powder down in my porch and a green woodpecker is making short work of an ants' nest in my garden) but rather at the creature I was. We look back and feel guilt as adults with the empathy and respect that we lacked at the time. We grew up, we learnt values. Some learn other lessons. Lessons about the drugs of power and sadism. Some learn revulsion at them and reject them. Others do not and seek larger prey and bigger kicks. Knox by her own admission loves experimenting with extreme emotions and experiences. She is so often portrayed as being childlike. It's meant as a defence, they mean her 'kookiness' her naivety. It seems to me to manifest as a complete absence of empathy or respect for others. A supreme selfishness turned into gangrenous narcissism.

What was it that Deanna or Maddison used as evidence of Knox's saintliness? Why, once she refused to kill a spider and freed it. It made me laugh at first and then I couldn't help wondering. Your best friend / sister is accused of involvement in a horrific crime and all that springs to mind to demonstrate its impossibility is the fate of a spider? If the story is true, why did it stick in Deanna / Maddison's mind? Was it the contrast perhaps? Were there any other spiders that went before? Freeing the spider can be an act of supreme power too. The power of life and death. The enjoyment of the exercise of power partly lies in the choosing not the course chosen.

By the age of thirteen we had progressed to blood sports. Wasps would naturally be attracted to the school bins. We would take off our ties and take turns at stepping up to swat one. It's all in the wrist action. But wasps of course can show their displeasure to those who have yet to learn the skill thoroughly. A rite of passage for us and a rather painful one on occasion. At least they had a sporting chance. Is that why I don't blanch at that memory quite so much? Well, I can reassure you that I am known for my love of animals. I am good friends with the multitude of frogs and newts at my pond, the birds that I have nesting and even the foxes that come to visit. But when the wasps make a nest in the loft they need to watch out. If I come up there with a tie on pal......
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No spotlights, no microphones, no tv cameras, no articles and headlines that go around the world. She has lowered herself to comment on Ground Report about a removed article that concerned her.


There are many things published about Amanda Knox, on a regular basis, that the Knox camp claim aren't true, yet Knox doesn't normally decide to personally publicly respond to them with denials. However, she decides to respond to this, on Ground Report no less. It's further evidence to me that the Thomson article was true, insomuch that it was fed to Thomson by Team Knox in a desperate attempt to reign in Sollecito. Too much a case of "the lady doth protest too much" about it.


I agree. It also shows that Amanda Knox follows very closely any online activity that discusses the case and her involvement.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 10:04 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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ttrroonniicc wrote:
Can't help but think that the "ground report" (Fred Thompson) was a warning to Sollecito, because of it's timing (right after Sollecito tutored by Bongiorno, throwing her under the bus again (at a press conference). Thompson, who has proven himself with his three prior reports on the site, as something of an investigator (& keen). Fed information, new information which made him bite, made him convince the site that his sources checked out. Had to be unique information. Also had to be unique information to make Sollecito bite, respond, backtrack on his turnaround as he did, very quickly. Similar to the Marie Pace letter. Information only he and Knox would know. Threatening to reveal further, easily, incrimininating him.



It's a John Woo standoff - each pointing a gun at the other's head. But neither can fire without the other doing so and neither can just walk away. She cannot incriminate him without incriminating herself. His best course right at the start was to have spilt the beans and tried his luck going for lesser charges.

It's all a bit late in the day. They are already past second appeal. Her only card is the tame US media and that has been played a lot of times. To 'reveal' anything she knows after more than seven years would blow away that last desperate card. How would she do it? More 'flashbacks' and seeing things in 'dreams' that might have taken place? She couldn't even claim that she was scared of reprisals as he is on a different continent. Once again, her years of strident media claims would work against her. She had all those opportunities to reveal details but instead said very different things and was never shy about doing so. Nor reticient about making millions from her lies and ever willing about accepting a tearful interview opportunity or a photocall. All those claims about how close she was to her 'friend' Meredith and after all this time she would accuse the man she has cuddled up to, publicly defended and made money with from the 'lovebird' angle. The 'We are innocent' placard would make a mockery of her motives as would a pile of her other actions and utterances.

They are where they were on day one. Each wriggling on the hook. Each looking for a way out. Each happy to drop the other if only they could do so without worsening their own position. There's the reason. It's all threats and innuendo followed by back peddling and reassurances. The only conclusion is that they are responsible in pretty much equal measure. Each can throw the accusation back at the other with bells on. We have booted this around for years and everything they do just reinforces it. But now they are running out of time. If Sollecito doesn't find that South American bolthole, he may be the one to properly and finally point the finger first. He will be the first to hear the cell door shut. He will have immense pressure from his family. Gnawing away at him will be the thought that maybe, just maybe, Knox is safe in the US while he gets locked up. Lets see how bound he is by honour then.


I agree with everything you wrote

I have a very difficult time imaging two guys doing time in Italy for Meredith's murder while Amanda Knox enjoys her freedom in the U.S. even though she was found by a court of law to be equally responsible, even the instigator. Somehow I don't think this is what's going to happen.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 3:47 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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Chelsea Hoffman has written a very insightful article on Raffaele Sollecito's psychology http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-ne ... dith-again


Interesting.

I was contacted by a murder victims family in regard to Chelsea Hoffman. They tell me Chelsea wounded the family in a bad way by accusing the victims brother and dogging him for three years. He is innocent and the real killers are in prison. However, they tell me he will never be the same..they tell me Chelsea led the way. They are dedicated to telling the world about her sick intent. They lost a beautiful daughter too and she was the age of Meredith, attending college in order to become a nurse. Anybody can google chelseahoffmansux to get an idea of the kind of hatred she inspires. Their pain is palpable. I was brought back to the time of Frank Sfarzo. I remember what he did to the Kerchers.

Ghouls attach themselves to murder cases, often posing as bloggers in order to get close enough to cause distress to the grieving families and those close.

Somehow Chelsea came to twitter the other day and attacked several people over the course of many hours. Her main complaint was being called a twit. She accused me of being a troll then secretly contacted my followers to say nasty inflammatory wa-)) lies about me. Something in my gut took over and I began to research her, and what I found caused me great anxiety for the safety of Meredith Kercher and her family. On and on she went, complaining about the bad treatment she received, never once talking about the case...only about herself. I apologized three times for her discomfort, yet she would not accept apology until the end of an exhausting Chelsea tantrum. v-)) . That is when she slandered me, behind my back...in true coward fashion.
This morning I can say with authority, in the harsh light of the truth, I will never let her get a foot in this door. pro-) Unfortunately, I am the one who prompted her to become interested again a few months ago.

Anybody who remembers Sfarzogate knows the great pain I endured to bring the truth into the open. Once again, I am met with opposition..There are folks who want me to shut up... wtf) . I am here for Meredith...and I will not shut up. hugz-)

Thank you for reading my words...it means a lot.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 3:59 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Hi, all. I do agree the two camps are threatening each other. It's a spider dance we've been observing carried on through Twitter and Facebook ever since Raffaele's interview though he showed intimations of such at the Florence Appeal.

That Knox actually showed up on Ground Report to deny the Ted Thomson article (and all the official denials from the managing editor and co-founder Paul Sterne) pretty well confirms the original article was planted by Camp Knox.

It's all Kabuki; we understand that.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 4:07 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

But I must really commend “Johnny Yen” who has been tying them up in knots on Ground Report. Here’s his latest analysis, in full:

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Johnny Yen • an hour ago

Here is proof that "Brian Corvello" is, in fact, Lisa Marie Basile:

"I was an English major..."

http://i.imgur.COM/cfLLayo.jpg

"I have an MA in psychology."

"I graduated Pace University..."

http://i.imgur.COM/EEajpHI.jpg

About Lisa Marie Basile:

"She attended Pace University to study English and psychology..."

http://www.huffingtonpost.COM/lisa-marie-basile/

You dimwits are so easy to bust now. So, Lisa, have you read the official court documents yet? Or do you still just "feel" that Amanda Knox is innocent?
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 5:41 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

On Ground Report

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I must say goodbye as well. The way in which this whole story has unfolded proves it was planted by Camp Knox in friendly media as a warning shot to Camp Sollecito, with whom they've been carrying on a war on Facebook, Twitter and dueling press conferences/photo ops.

Maybe Amanda Knox should have accepted Raffaele Sollecito's proposal of marriage in early 2013. Italian prisons do allow conjugal visits, don't they, even when both parties are inmates? :)
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 6:08 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Please report the following tweet, from another really offensive poster TrackStarGazing. I won't repeat the tweet but you can see at the link below where he attacks Meredith and the Kerchers.

Block or Report: (Do not block!)

What's the problem?: This user is abusive. Select 'harassment'.

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Reported Tweet URL: https://twitter.com/TrackStarGazing/sta ... 2111215616 (You have to save the full tweet URL, not this truncated one)

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 11:39 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

I hope others will catch and report any abuse of the decent Kercher family online. I was able to register my complaint right after someone told me of the offending tweet, revised instructions posted above.

On another note, thanks to hugo of ORG for bringing this to my attention:

I note the gentleman named above by “Johnny Yen” denies he is Lisa Marie Basile. Accepted.

The Knoxii, on the other hand, refuse to stop attacking the Kerchers, accusing harryrag at length of being John Kercher, despite repeated denials.

And no, even though I lived in Japan for 5 years, I am not “Johnny Yen”, smile.

PS to hugo: instructions for resetting your password were sent to the e-mail we have on file for you.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2014 12:01 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

SqueakEMouse: what you said. Children are indeed explorers into their own psyches, and eventually, get to grow beyond and feel guilt and empathy, agreed.

But what horrifies us about Knox and Sollecito's behavior is the complete lack of self awareness and taunting of the victim's family, their bizarre books and hand waving away the comprehensive evidence of their guilt by themselves and their sorry excuse of a band of emotionally retarded enablers.

It is so ironic to reflect that the only chance they will ever have for redemption in this lifetime is for them to pay their debt to society, once they have been incarcerated. And even then, the choice will be theirs.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2014 1:29 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Nominations for the 35th Emmy Awards-News just announced http://emmyonline.com/news_35th_nominations

In the category Outstanding Interview

20/20 ABC
A Murder, A Mystery: Amanda Knox Speaks

60 Minutes CBS
Angel of Death

CBS This Morning/Charlie Rose CBS
One-on-One with Assad

NBC Nightly News with Brian Williams NBC
Interview with Iranian President Hassan Rouhani

POV PBS
56 Up

Gee, I dunno. Which interview do you think will win? :)
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2014 2:06 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

NOW, Raffaele Sollecito wants a "semen stain analysis"?

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2014 10:22 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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SqueakEMouse: what you said. Children are indeed explorers into their own psyches, and eventually, get to grow beyond and feel guilt and empathy, agreed.

But what horrifies us about Knox and Sollecito's behavior is the complete lack of self awareness and taunting of the victim's family, their bizarre books and hand waving away the comprehensive evidence of their guilt by themselves and their sorry excuse of a band of emotionally retarded enablers.

It is so ironic to reflect that the only chance they will ever have for redemption in this lifetime is for them to pay their debt to society, once they have been incarcerated. And even then, the choice will be theirs.


It's the difference between normal and psychotic development. I honestly don't see any way for either of them to change significantly even with help in prison and the absence of the self interested families. They are way too extreme for that now. Seven years of media fawning over their lies, celebrity status, big money opportunities, global jaunts and glamorous companions has encouraged and entrenched their behaviours as acceptable and profitable. He may be a convicted murderer but he was still zipping around in Ferraris, going on Caribbean holidays, having money just GIVEN to him by strangers who wish him well and a long procession of experts, paid for or not, willing to say that it's nothing to do with him and he's a great guy. Prison for them is really about removing them from general society so they cannot do nay more harm rather than helping them develop the qualities necessary to taking responsibility for their actions and developing moral senses. They are both horrors, though in slightly different ways. He's a sleazy coward as well as a manipulative, sadistic bully. She's a narcissist as well as a manipulative, sadistic bully.

I cannot believe either family are truly blind to this; it's self interested and wilfull blindness to cover their own shame and guilt over their contribution to creating these utter failures of human beings and their failure to act when it may have made a difference. Papa Doc was keeping very close tabs on his son before this tragedy. So he knew his son had the potential for going off the rails. He and his family may blame Knox for leading him into this nightmare but at the end of the day, they knew he had potential for some kind of crash and did little. Celebrating a seriel killer as a hero, being obsessed with Manga sadism, having a knife fetish coupled with a failure to form relationships with girls is not a good combination to start with. Throw in some experimental drugs and an opportunity to come off the leash despite Papa's financial and telephone monitoring and it's going to be messy. It was more a case of how much rather than if.

Another reason that I think they will not change is that they both must be aware of the sheer hypocrisy, narcissism and self interest of those around them, including the PR and media people and the hangers-on trying to make a buck and a career. They see their own behaviour through this prism. They know that their families and handlers know they are involved, even if they don't know the details. But they all carry on pushing to have it all washed away by hook or by crook. There are few if any moral limits for them either. Whether in the political sphere (making water flow uphill), the judicial (oh the lies and hypocrisy and dodgy dealings on experts and witnesses) or financial (roll up roll up, we can all make a fortune from sensationalist lies). They attack anyone and everyone who may upset their emotional and financial applecart including the victim's family. These two stand at the heart, enjoying the attention but seeing that those around them are actually no better, in their few probably cowardly for never having dared go beyond the narrow prescribed norms of behaviour. I think they probably do just view this horrific crime as just a youthful mistake that should be put behind them and feel resentment at those who seem intent on persecuting them. Self interested lying appears normal, the refusal to take responsibility for ones actions commonplace and the record can be wiped or adjusted at any time for the sake of convenience. The re-writing of history takes the place of taking responsibility. No need for responsibility when the action itself can be rubbed out as if by magic. It is those who refuse the re-writing that are causing mischief by trying to make them feel bad. They are the sadists. Belligerence reaps rewards, detractors can be bullied into silence, praise and respect is heaped upon them when they play the victim. They have been surrounded by people who are different only in degree, not in fundamental outlook. So why should they see their behaviour and attitudes as abhorrent to normal people? The attitudes that underpin their behaviour appear to them be the societal norm and have done so since childhood. They have had seven years of heavy reinforcing, not challenging, from a whole range of people, often in powerful positions from chat show hosts to Senators, all willing to play the game for their own needs and with an ability to look the other way. They will never change now.

Their world is too warped to get straightened out now. Gman and the rest will count returns in terms of dollars and career opportunities when they finally come to balance the scales and then move on. They are all moral retards in some degree. The unglamorous duo will probably emerge from prison in a horribly short space of time and playing the thoughtful, reformed, wonderfully rehabilitated souls and revel in the sympathy. Myra Hindley played that one for years but only Longford got taken in. These two will be out in early middle age if not before and in their hearts still the same I think.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2014 11:33 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

SqueakEMouse wrote:
I cannot believe either family are truly blind to this; it's self interested and wilfull blindness to cover their own shame and guilt over their contribution to creating these utter failures of human beings and their failure to act when it may have made a difference. Papa Doc was keeping very close tabs on his son before this tragedy. So he knew his son had the potential for going off the rails. He and his family may blame Knox for leading him into this nightmare but at the end of the day, they knew he had potential for some kind of crash and did little. Celebrating a seriel killer as a hero, being obsessed with Manga sadism, having a knife fetish coupled with a failure to form relationships with girls is not a good combination to start with. Throw in some experimental drugs and an opportunity to come off the leash despite Papa's financial and telephone monitoring and it's going to be messy. It was more a case of how much rather than if.


Let's also not forget his (covered up) scissor attack on a female class mate. If that wasn't a red flag to his being dangerous, I don't know what is. And how did his father respond? Bought him more pointed bladed weapons!!!

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2014 4:40 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

I see the creative writing expert is touted as having a job at Harper Collins lined up plus a book deal for a novel based on ....surprise surprise.... her extreme experiences. It's amazing what a PR manager can arrange for you. Perhaps I should hire one. Then the adventures of Bubble & Squeak and the rest of the Mousetown characters will finally get into print.

Such cynical and depressed musings lead me to the creative writer's actual ability, or rather lack of it. The Waiting to be Paid book was of course ghost written which itself speaks volumes about the publisher's faith in her ability. This is a young woman supposedly studying for a degree in creative writing but her actual output, both fiction and general communication is utterly dreadful. The fantasy rape story is bad enough in conception, an essentially brutal adolescent fantasy put into writing. But even if you divorce it from its repulsive content, the writing is at best mediocre and again reminiscent of an adolescent rather than a woman seriously studying it as a degree subject. Her emails suffer from the same problem: incoherent, self contradictory and written in abysmal English. Her physical writings are the same and in addition strike the reader with their childish handwriting and spelling. When I first saw them I laughed at the standard of US education. Now I think they reflect some form of arrested development. The 'Honor student' tag is of course a lie but nonetheless she was a university student. Again there is the glaring contrast between the message about her outstanding ability, (which she seems to have swallowed herself on some level) and the reality that she is at best an inarticulate mediocrity.

Did the impossibility of living up to this fantasy figure in real life fuel the resentment against others of genuine ability and with a real work ethic who she knew in her heart she could not match? I rather think it must have. She was in Italy for fun and not serious study, but for all the antics she must have been able to see the gulf that existed between herself and the proper students. For a fragile persona, that may have added fuel to the fire of resentment and the store of imagined hurts to be avenged. One constant with this woman is her desire to strike out in some form against any who she feels have slighted her. From the accusations against Lumumba and Mignini to the snide asides in her book about the other housemates and her encouragement of abuse of the Kercher family on her blog, she is one who settles scores and never forgets to do so. Her characteristically arrogant, illogical and dishonest letter to the Nencini court puts imagined brilliance at score settling with the court over real world considerations of the effect it will have. We have had a few snippets about her family. Once in prison, she will no doubt find new targets to take responsibility for her predicament rather than shoulder any blame herself. Sollecito will undoubtedly feel more of her ire and I think she is itching to let fly at him now if only it wouldn't make her position worse. I wonder if we will see another instalment from prison about her family and the seedy likes of Sfarzo and Elliot Ness. They after all will have made their money as best they could and moved on. She's not a woman to take abandonment without striking out.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2014 5:55 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Courtesy Catnip @ORG: Verona News Digest 15 July 2014

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As well, there was one of his lawyers, Luca Maori and the defence computer consultants. (5)

Sollecito, today wearing black pants, white shirt and a bright acid-green tie, wrote his thesis on "Social network analysis and semantic proximity" completely in English, obtaining a vote of 88 out of 110. (7)


So, who were the unnamed "defence computer consultants"? The ones who spammed social media to declare "Raffaele Sollecito Innocent", or,

the ones who produced the last gasp "Naruto" defense, shown here?


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And speaking of Amanda Knox, she showed up on Ground Report http://groundreport.com/amanda-knox-art ... 1491834645 and when I asked her directly http://groundreport.com/amanda-knox-art ... 1492260262 to comment on the news of her publishing job, she declined to reply, duly noted, though the bum washing Bruce Fischer did show up immediately after to snipe at me for whatever.

Sorry, Bruce, I was addressing "Innocent people have nothing to hide. I have nothing to hide." Amanda.
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The tweet from obnoxious #amandaknox supporter TrackStarGazing with its gratuitous insult of Meredith Kercher and taunting of the family has been deleted. Congratulations to all who complained!

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2014 8:42 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Ergon wrote:
And speaking of Amanda Knox, she showed up on Ground Report http://groundreport.com/amanda-knox-art ... 1491834645 and when I asked her directly http://groundreport.com/amanda-knox-art ... 1492260262 to comment on the news of her publishing job, she declined to reply, duly noted, though the bum washing Bruce Fischer did show up immediately after to snipe at me for whatever.

Sorry, Bruce, I was addressing "Innocent people have nothing to hide. I have nothing to hide." Amanda.


Bruce Fischer is desperate for attention. His comments are embarrassing.
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I know this is old news, but I'm astonished by the disrespectful*) tone of this TGCOM24 report:

ETA: *) - disrespectful to Meredith, the victim of a horrible crime

July 17, 2014

Amanda follows in the footsteps of Raffaele: for her a degree is forthcoming
Miss Knox will present the thesis by July and then work as a writer at a well-known New York publisher

They look exactly like intertwined destinies of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito, the two protagonists of the trial for the murder of Meredith Kercher. After an acquittal in the Court of Appeal, later overturned by the courts, both 'ragazzi' continued their courses of study leading to a degree for Sollecito just recently and now that for Amanda, which is likely due to take place in Seattle in July.

The thesis will be based on her legal odyssey :!: but Miss Knox is not satisfied: in fact she would be ready for a contract of employment by a well-known New York publisher that will allow her to turn her incredible experience into a best-selling novel. And so, she who was once a waitress in a pub in Perugia, in all probability, will become a great writer. Although at a distance, then, Amanda and Raffaele continue to be inspired by one another, inspired by a heavy sentence for murder which remains indelible, but day after day it turns into a stone on which to build their future :!: .


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Is her thesis topic also based on her legal case? Unbelievable. :roll:
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 12:42 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Hi dg,

I've gone through my photo archives but couldn't find any other pics of Rudy's shoe prints leading out the front door, except those available in the .ORG photo gallery. I'm sure you've seen them all before.

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Take a look at pictures of foot/shoe prints at this link: http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/footprints-01.html, with a pinch of salt, of course. ;)


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guermantes wrote:
I know this is old news, but I'm astonished by the disrespectful tone of this TGCOM24 report:

July 17, 2014

Amanda follows in the footsteps of Raffaele: for her a degree is forthcoming
Miss Knox will present the thesis by July and then work as a writer at a well-known New York publisher

They look exactly like intertwined destinies of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito, the two protagonists of the trial for the murder of Meredith Kercher. After an acquittal in the Court of Appeal, later overturned by the courts, both 'ragazzi' continued their courses of study leading to a degree for Sollecito just recently and now that for Amanda, which is likely due to take place in Seattle in July.

The thesis will be based on her legal odyssey :!: but Miss Knox is not satisfied: in fact she would be ready for a contract of employment by a well-known New York publisher that will allow her to turn her incredible experience into a best-selling novel. And so what was once a waitress in a pub in Perugia, in all probability, will become a great writer. Although distant, then, Amanda and Raffaele continue to be inspired by one another, inspired by a heavy sentence for murder which remains indelible, but day after day it turns into a stone on which to build their future :!: .


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Is her thesis topic also based on her legal case? Unbelievable. :roll:


A sexual assault and murder on which to build your future? Huh?

Those who enable and defend her are insane. The lengths they go to to excuse her behaviour and actions is something unheard of.
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Nell wrote:
guermantes wrote:
I know this is old news, but I'm astonished by the disrespectful tone of this TGCOM24 report:

July 17, 2014

Amanda follows in the footsteps of Raffaele: for her a degree is forthcoming
Miss Knox will present the thesis by July and then work as a writer at a well-known New York publisher

They look exactly like intertwined destinies of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito, the two protagonists of the trial for the murder of Meredith Kercher. After an acquittal in the Court of Appeal, later overturned by the courts, both 'ragazzi' continued their courses of study leading to a degree for Sollecito just recently and now that for Amanda, which is likely due to take place in Seattle in July.

The thesis will be based on her legal odyssey :!: but Miss Knox is not satisfied: in fact she would be ready for a contract of employment by a well-known New York publisher that will allow her to turn her incredible experience into a best-selling novel. And so what was once a waitress in a pub in Perugia, in all probability, will become a great writer. Although distant, then, Amanda and Raffaele continue to be inspired by one another, inspired by a heavy sentence for murder which remains indelible, but day after day it turns into a stone on which to build their future :!: .


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Is her thesis topic also based on her legal case? Unbelievable. :roll:


A sexual assault and murder on which to build your future? Huh?

Those who enable and defend her are insane. The lengths they go to to excuse her behaviour and actions is something unheard of.



Desperate attempt at puffing them up. The person who wrote it probably didn't even know who they were.

'Her legal odyssey' It's a murder conviction not an adventure story.

'Intertwined destinies' They were both convicted of murder and neither can ditch the other completely. It's not a tale of sweet romance across continents or a version of Amelie.

'Incredible experience' The legal case or the murder? Yes, everybody would like her to say what actually happened.

'allow her to turn' this into a novel. Allow her? She was knocking on the door to write this novel then was she? Submitting drafts of her work to multiple publishing houses and accepting with good grace the constructive criticism in the rejection letters? How about 'Mr Marriot called in a few favours and she doesn't have to do any work herself.

'into a best selling novel'. Oh yeah? Last book sell well did it? How about substituting with 'a non selling piece of incoherent drivel written by a talentless loon and knocked into some kind of shape by an anonymous ghost writer with a modicum of skill.'

'in all probability, a great writer' In all evidence, a hopeless writer, an equally hopeless but compulsive liar whose work so far has consisted of rape and murder fantasies, a quicksand of shifting and dragging lies and a book written by somebody else. How about 'well known writer'. In the same way that Nicola Horlick is a well known fund manager.

'Although distant.. (the two loons) continue to be inspired by each other' Each desperately hopes they can offload the blame on the other.

'heavy sentence for murder which remains indelible, but day after day [b]it turns into a stone on which to build their future' Christ, I thought some of my lines were pompous. The writer is trying to draft the voiceover for a Hollywood trailer here.
'Indelible' No surprise Sherlock. It's not going away, however hard they try to shut out reality.
'turns into a stone' No. It's a shadow that they cannot shake off, however hard they try.
'build their future' Try to avoid prison.

Nil points to the writer. He's nearly as bad as the great best selling author herself. But he's a nobody and the outlet only charged Mr Marriot a pittance for the piece. Maybe they could both go and get lessons on how to write a cookery blog from another best selling author. Then they could all write a book of turgid drivel together.
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Really nice posts to read Mouse

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 7:39 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Thanks G... the one with the '3' was the one I was thinking of.
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Ahem, and apropos of nothing :) I don't think Judge Karen Strombom, chief magistrate judge of the US court in Washington will be hearing the case of Amanda Knox vs United States. According to How the Federal Courts Are Organized "Unlike district judges, bankruptcy and magistrate judges do not exercise "the judicial power of the United States" but perform duties delegated to them by district judges" and I really think Knox being a US citizen and all the case will be heard at the District Court level here United States District Court for the Western District of Washington by an article III or senior judge, and then after that, if appealed, to United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit

Here, from the Meredith Kercher Wiki, is the most excellent and accurate Extradition Process Flowchart which details the process that will follow upon confirmation of the conviction by the Rome Supreme Court.

Just to add: The United States Attorney for the Western District of Washington represents the United States in civil and criminal litigation in the court. The current district attorney is Jenny A. Durkan. Are Jenny Durkan's party ties an ethics issue?

Given the composition and high legal reputation of the listed judges and US Attorney I do not expect the likes of (retired) Judge Michael Heavey, Ted Simon, Anne Bremner and assorted WA politicians to have much impact on the eventual outcome, which is that Amanda Knox will be extradited to Italy.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2014 11:33 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Someone claiming to be Amanda Knox posted the following on the ABC news site: Amanda Knox's Co-Defendant Finds Himself Innocent in College Thesis

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This article was fake.
Why do people like you make up such stories?
I never planned to accuse Raffaele.
Period.
And I see your post everywhere, aren't you tired?
I am really tired of all this talk about this article which was taken down by the way!
We are both innocent. I did not kill my friend.
I will not accuse Raffaele, and he will not accuse me either, we are both working with the Italian court.
If R. was accusing me of something, I would defend myself and he would lose everything and he knows it. We are working side by side.
The Italian court made a mistake last time, that was not a fair trial, the judge was unfair. There is no evidence against us, we are both innocent
I believe we will get a fair trial and a fair judgement this time.
I am certain that the Italian Supreme court is not as corrupt as the previous court.
I was found innocent before, and we will be found innocent again.
That's all I can say for now.

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So, is this really Amanda Knox? What does everyone think?

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 6:35 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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So, is this really Amanda Knox? What does everyone think?


It looks like it.

She left comments on Ground Report as well. One of them was already quoted by Ergon and at least two others thanking her followers for their support.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 6:48 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

I think it's her too.

Of course, the absolutely correct thing to do would be for her to simply make her post on her blog. But, they've come to realise that a) anything she posts there will immediately be taken notice of by the mainstream media and she doesn't want them taking any interest in the Thomson story and b) anything she posts there she has to own, whereas posting in comments sections elsewhere under a non-registered accounts allows her to say things she can later deny having said (plausible deniability...and that seems to be the new theme) and she really really needs to be able to deny saying shit like that above.

I think...someone needs to say to her...if what you're saying is really true, then formally go on the record with it and post it on your registered blog. After all, anyone could be saying they are Amanda Knox and later you could say it wasn't you. You make lots of big claims, so show everyone that you actually stand by them by making them formal. Until then, nobody can take you seriously.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 7:08 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Her supporters believe it's her too.

What betrays her is her silence on her blog. Nothing adds up.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 7:33 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

She needs to either post that crap on her blog, or she needs to make a post on her blog confirming that the poster on ABC comments or/and Ground Report comments purporting to be her is indeed her. Either will do. Otherwise, there's no point whatsoever in engaging with her there or allowing anything said by her there to be taken seriously by her intended audience. She needs to own what she says. She wants to try and set the rules so that she can deny having said anything she's said later. There's a reason why she's not posting any of this stuff on her formal blog or Twitter account. She's trying to play her audience like she played Thomson and she mustn't be given an inch of room to be able to do that.

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People do not get found innocent.

A judge doesn't ask defendants to state are you Innocent or Not Innocent, and innocence as opposed to the significance of a guilty finding in court are two very different concepts.

Telling how Knox repeats her line, so very often that it has become a fixed line she has, totally void of any feeling.

If one speaks of a friend, there is naturally a warmth (based on all of the vibrancy of life and the things shared), but when she speaks of a ''my friend'' in that way, by referring to them as a ''my friend'' there could be no better way to convey the impersonal nature of the vibe behind the words, the way Knox keeps using ''my friend'' to refer to Meredith, shows me that she is saying, she is as cold in saying this, as only someone can be who has just killed the person, but in her own mind, has obliterated all sight of that real person, so to say my friend, accentuates how the opposite is the case, to Knox Meredith is not just dead, she is non-existent and never existed, because she is blocking real terms out of her mind. When she repeats My Friend as she keeps on doing all as she makes clear is that this particular line is one of many orchestrated lines, lines on what to say on each bit, so when she says it, there could be no more ice than that which she places between Meredith and herself with her robotically produced and sounding words, because she wants to forget Meredith.

What is worse, to keep on using this, when it is clear that she was not Meredith's friend, and if she did murder Meredith, the idea of her now referring to her as a friend, shows the depths of her mental depravity, it connects exactly to the ingredients that led to the murder, the components are recognisable no matter how much you cut them up and stick them in somewhere else, you can pick out the bits that go together, and being so cold about Meredith, saying My Friend until it is pukeworthy upon hearing for the disgusting, wicked lie that it is, is a natural consequence of the acts of murder, she could not refer to Meredith in a human way if she tried.

Even on a goddamned blog or forum her way of dictating also connects exactly to the way she was so bossy and controlling anyhow, and what resulted in the death of Meredith, so what would Sollecito lose if he accused her?
Well, if as she says they are both innocent, and ought to get a not guilty ruling, then what is it he could say that would make her need to retaliate and be able to definitely take him down and make him lose everything, how could she know that, if she knows nothing, she means if he opens his gob then she could do the same, it wouldn't mean she would go free but that she will not let him ever say a thing about the truth without doing the same kind of stuff about him. It's insane that she gets online and writes this stuff in this what is, a sort of scary, threatening, bossy way and again shows everyone what the truth is, and the truth isn't found in the things said, it's found in the things avoided, like Meredith. To say ''my friend'' in the icy way Knox does is to say Meredith is dead and I want it in every way, in fact it is saying, she is dead but more than this, she is destroyed and meaningless.

Basically, saying my friend that way sounds exactly like someone saying, "the thing I destroyed""

My work of destruction, the power I have assumed over life and death is governed by the acts within, Act 1 Murder, Act 2 Depersonalization of the Victim.

Process of depersonalization intended to distance the perpetrator of murder from the victim.

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Only thing is she does not get it, does not get what it is she has done wrong when trying to convince people, and does not see how transparent she is when she uses abnormal things to try to convince people. Nobody speaks of a ''my friend'' after a friend gets murdered.

To me it's comparable to Hitler referring to the Jews as his friends.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 9:27 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

The reason the two concepts differ is due to the fact that guilt is always assumed on the basis of the evidence. Even if someone gets found not guilty, they may not be innocent, that is why it is Not Guilty & Guilty rather than Innocent and Not Innocent, even Hellmann pointed that out, more or less. Maybe he was trying to excuse himself for his vacant ruling.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 1:17 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Why isn't Amanda Knox on sex offender registry?

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 4:37 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

It looks like Knox. Both she and Sollecito family members follow us closely, and float trial balloons in ways they can deny later. She isn't even approving comments on her own blog.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 7:25 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

I don't doubt it. But, she needs to stop hiding behind temporary disposable deniable ID's and be accountable.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 12:11 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Certain Amanda Knox supporters are already denying that Amanda Knox wrote any comments under her name.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 12:25 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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Certain Amanda Knox supporters are already denying that Amanda Knox wrote any comments under her name.

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Why am I not surprised...

I've never seen someone so innocent needing to be defended with such dishonesty. That alone, should inform any passing observer that she's as guilty as sin. Those that defend her already know it, hence their dishonesty.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 1:30 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

According to this poster on IIP, Aunt Sara Achile = Giulia Bongiorno http://www.injusticeanywhereforum.com/v ... 79#p145779

Now we know the source of shocks to Amanda Knox. Waiting with bated breath for next bit of news from Italy.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 8:50 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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Someone claiming to be Amanda Knox posted the following on the ABC news site: Amanda Knox's Co-Defendant Finds Himself Innocent in College Thesis

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Amanda > Guest • 4 hours ago
This article was fake.
Why do people like you make up such stories?
I never planned to accuse Raffaele.
Period.
And I see your post everywhere, aren't you tired?
I am really tired of all this talk about this article which was taken down by the way!
We are both innocent. I did not kill my friend.
I will not accuse Raffaele, and he will not accuse me either, we are both working with the Italian court.
If R. was accusing me of something, I would defend myself and he would lose everything and he knows it. We are working side by side.
The Italian court made a mistake last time, that was not a fair trial, the judge was unfair. There is no evidence against us, we are both innocent
I believe we will get a fair trial and a fair judgement this time.
I am certain that the Italian Supreme court is not as corrupt as the previous court.
I was found innocent before, and we will be found innocent again.
That's all I can say for now.

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The comment written by a poster claiming to be Amanda Knox appears now instead of the the name "Amanda" under "Guest".

This is how the comment appeared when it was published (courtesy of member LaMotta from .org):

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This is the comment how it appears today:

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Please note that another comment written a few days ago, supposedly by Knox, is still available under the name "Amanda".

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EDIT:

I was intrigued by her comment appearing now as made by an anonymous poster, so I researched how this is possible and it turns out that Disqus does not allow for a registered user to delete their own comments. They can be edited, but not entirely deleted.

What a registered user can do is anonymise their comment. To make that happen, one has to hover over the comment, click the actions drop-down menu and then click "delete". This action will only remove the comment from the users profile and remove all identifying information, not delete the comment from the original page. This action is irreversible, the comment cannot be claimed again at a later stage.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 8:54 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 8:59 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Ergon wrote:
According to this poster on IIP, Aunt Sara Achile = Giulia Bongiorno http://www.injusticeanywhereforum.com/v ... 79#p145779

Now we know the source of shocks to Amanda Knox. Waiting with bated breath for next bit of news from Italy.



The inmates of that particular asylum make a lot of claims, usually characterised by a mix of imbecility and paranoia. Somebody is determined to put the Knox side under sniper fire but I personally can't see Bongiorno getting her hands directly dirty, especially by pretending to be a Sollecito clan member. Giving driving directions, quite probably. But she's the backseat driver type for contentious stuff. She's more likely giving advice on what and when to release. She's clearly at the centre of RS' new 'strategy' so she's in the mix somewhere on what drips out. But the family are sitting in the car and want to put the pedal to the floor. Whether they genuinely believe that their little darling really did have a lesser role is conjecture but they seem determined to make sure that he doesn't get the blame alone.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 9:07 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Ergon wrote:
According to this poster on IIP, Aunt Sara Achile = Giulia Bongiorno http://www.injusticeanywhereforum.com/v ... 79#p145779

Now we know the source of shocks to Amanda Knox. Waiting with bated breath for next bit of news from Italy.


In my opinion, Cristina Magnani and Sara Achille represent the unofficial version as opposed to the official version represented by Raffaele Sollecito and his lawyer Giulia Bongiorno.

He wants to bring the focus to Knox and raise doubts about her without having to suffer the consequences, so he leaves the dirty work to Magnani and Achille.

Sara Achille was a guest in a talk show where she seized the opportunity to announce that the family believed Amanda Knox could have been involved in the murder. This was at the same time the garage security camera video was published by the media.

I have a hard time believing Sara Achille would have commented publicly without the family's approval and knowledge. Francesco Sollecito would have been quick and unequivocal reacting to her comments had it been damaging to his son's case. He has often commented on other gossip, perceived to be detrimental to his son's case or reputation, but he remained silent on her remarks which lends her credibility in my opinion.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 9:13 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

SqueakEMouse wrote:
Ergon wrote:
According to this poster on IIP, Aunt Sara Achile = Giulia Bongiorno http://www.injusticeanywhereforum.com/v ... 79#p145779

Now we know the source of shocks to Amanda Knox. Waiting with bated breath for next bit of news from Italy.



The inmates of that particular asylum make a lot of claims, usually characterised by a mix of imbecility and paranoia. Somebody is determined to put the Knox side under sniper fire but I personally can't see Bongiorno getting her hands directly dirty, especially by pretending to be a Sollecito clan member. Giving driving directions, quite probably. But she's the backseat driver type for contentious stuff. She's more likely giving advice on what and when to release. She's clearly at the centre of RS' new 'strategy' so she's in the mix somewhere on what drips out. But the family are sitting in the car and want to put the pedal to the floor. Whether they genuinely believe that their little darling really did have a lesser role is conjecture but they seem determined to make sure that he doesn't get the blame alone.


I agree with you. It is possible that Bongiorno is giving advice how to conduct his new campaign as the separation strategy was her idea.

The sudden bumping of old topics in the media like the garage security camera video and Knox's links to drug dealers might have been suggestions from Bongiorno. The timing is suspicious.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 11:18 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Nell wrote:
I agree with you. It is possible that Bongiorno is giving advice how to conduct his new campaign as the separation strategy was her idea.

The sudden bumping of old topics in the media like the garage security camera video and Knox's links to drug dealers might have been suggestions from Bongiorno. The timing is suspicious.


Hi Nell and Ergon

Yeah it appears Bongiorno is playing a long game. She cannot head off Cassations final word but a request for examination of "new facts" favoring RS could follow.

Dirty tricks is not something she is new to, but she does have to tread carefully to avoid a complaint to CSM that could cost her her license. (I bet Judge Nencini would love that.)

So I too doubt she is posing as one of the aunts, though quite legally her perceptions of AK's weak points are being channeled by them. Its a popular move in Italy and the real case against RS being a part of the attack pack is pushed into the background.

There are still some legal constraints on reporting now in Italy and the UK and US but when Cassation rules as expected, we are likely to see muck-raking by the media on steroids.

The world the paranoids for Knox portrayed has had Mignini and the police taking a very very hard line, so that they could be demonized by Preston, Heavey, Moore, Fischer, Nigel Scott, David Anderson, and on and on.

But t’wasn't so. By typical Italian standards the prosecutors and police took it EASY on Knox and RS throughout, pulled many punches in submitting evidence they knew about (as with drug dealing here), did not handcuff the pair in court or have them sit in the cage, allowed them access to computers and the media in prison, and gave them a big break in Massei’s sentence which lopped five years off for supposed kindly mitigating behavior once Meredith was killed.

Now the paranoids for Knox are meeting the defense lawyer from hell. Bongiorno knows the REAL strength and details of the case that could have been made against Knox, and at minimum believes the attack on Meredith and the cleanup were entirely orchestrated to suit Knox.

It is only a matter of time before Bongiorno lets Knox have it right between the eyes. Knox is toast. Her extreme smug self-serving arrogance brought her down.
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I have edited my comment above and added information about the Disqus platform and how a comment can be anonymised once published.

This makes me believe the user "Amanda" is in fact Amanda Knox and that's the reason why the comment containing a threat against Raffaele Sollecito has been anonymised to disassociate herself from it. My guess is she wants to continue using the account to comment on articles.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 3:15 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Well, I posted the links to the IIP claim on Twitter and Raffaele Sollecito supporters Cristina Magnani and Aunt Sara Achile have commented on it. Bruce Fischer, always trying to put out fires, showed up again to criticize liddle ol' moi. He wants to know if the Kerchers know what a bad boy I am :)

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 6:03 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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Someone claiming to be Amanda Knox posted the following on the ABC news site: Amanda Knox's Co-Defendant Finds Himself Innocent in College Thesis

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Amanda > Guest • 4 hours ago
This article was fake.
Why do people like you make up such stories?
I never planned to accuse Raffaele.
Period.
And I see your post everywhere, aren't you tired?
I am really tired of all this talk about this article which was taken down by the way!
We are both innocent. I did not kill my friend.
I will not accuse Raffaele, and he will not accuse me either, we are both working with the Italian court.
If R. was accusing me of something, I would defend myself and he would lose everything and he knows it. We are working side by side.
The Italian court made a mistake last time, that was not a fair trial, the judge was unfair. There is no evidence against us, we are both innocent
I believe we will get a fair trial and a fair judgement this time.
I am certain that the Italian Supreme court is not as corrupt as the previous court.
I was found innocent before, and we will be found innocent again.
That's all I can say for now.

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It quacks like a threat.


The comment written by a poster claiming to be Amanda Knox appears now instead of the the name "Amanda" under "Guest".

This is how the comment appeared when it was published (courtesy of member LaMotta from .org):

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This is the comment how it appears today:

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Please note that another comment written a few days ago, supposedly by Knox, is still available under the name "Amanda".

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EDIT:

I was intrigued by her comment appearing now as made by an anonymous poster, so I researched how this is possible and it turns out that Disqus does not allow for a registered user to delete their own comments. They can be edited, but not entirely deleted.

What a registered user can do is anonymise their comment. To make that happen, one has to hover over the comment, click the actions drop-down menu and then click "delete". This action will only remove the comment from the users profile and remove all identifying information, not delete the comment from the original page. This action is irreversible, the comment cannot be claimed again at a later stage.


The comment under "Amanda" is interesting, particularly the signing of "A" which is how Knox signed on her blog. It also appears different than the other in regards to not wishing to talk about the case, not that it'll make a difference at this point. Interesting though especially as she appears to be absent from her blog as of late.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 6:55 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Ergon wrote:
Well, I posted the links to the IIP claim on Twitter and Raffaele Sollecito supporters Cristina Magnani and Aunt Sara Achile have commented on it. Bruce Fischer, always trying to put out fires, showed up again to criticize liddle ol' moi. He wants to know if the Kerchers know what a bad boy I am :)

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He's always popping up to have a word with you isn't he. I think he's miffed at the lack of attention you give him and seems very keen to get your attention with a stern rebuke. I think you need to accept that Brucie.... well basically Ergon, I think somebody needs to tell you outright because you are plainly just not paying attention to the signs and poor Bruce is tearing his hair out and wondering how to make it plain without shouting it from the rooftops. Brucie is very taken with you. He likes cool-headed, smooth talkers. He FANCIES you Ergon. For God's sake stop playing hard to get! I think a marriage would be a fitting tribute and culmination to the testosterone charged battles you have had. I know it's a shock for you Ergon but don't turn it down without thinking about it calmly. Bruce has a lot of qualities. Most of them are shit I grant you, but inside that money grubbing, two faced hypocritical and lying exterior lies a shy, sensitive soul. I'm sure of it. Just give Brucie a chance. He desperately needs this connection Ergon. It's not easy being a low-life loser in a mall you know. It saps the inner strength. He looks up to you and wants so desperately to be you or be with you. Give peace a chance.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 7:33 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Well, SqueakE, if Bruce were Brice, I might even be tempted to take a ride down my wild and furry side, but Biology prevents, much as I love our laws that do not prevent us from marrying whoever we choose.

But "testosterone fueled battles"? I will have you know that, filled with the milk of human kindness and compassion that I am, it's "Oxytocin fueled", baby!
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 7:44 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Anyone in the mood for a short story?
http://www.examiner.com/article/amanda- ... brary-book


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 8:13 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Ergon wrote:
Well, SqueakE, if Bruce were Brice, I might even be tempted to take a ride down my wild and furry side, but Biology prevents, much as I love our laws that do not prevent us from marrying whoever we choose.

But "testosterone fueled battles"? I will have you know that, filled with the milk of human kindness and compassion that I am, it's "Oxytocin fueled", baby!


Sigh! My days as Cupid are clearly numbered. You're right of course. You're just TOO nice for him. (But that's what makes Bruce all the keener)

But all is not lost. What do you think of a Preston - Fischer partnership? They have so much in common. Two screeching hysterics very much in touch with their lunatic sides and both addicted to writing pure fiction and getting hysterical over the results. Both aspiring to non-fiction with laughable results but hey ho, self publishing is an open and profitable book to Bruce. I suspect a similar dress sense but as Brucie runs the shop he should be able to give some pointers to Smuglass who I'm sure loves a bit of fur. They could be legally married by Son Of Sam in a moving civil ceremony and share a small room if they cannot pay the bill. I thought I might try the trick they used to get both Clint Eastwood and Richard Burton to star in Where Eagles Dare. Both wanted to appear next to the other so the producers told Eastwood that Burton had already signed and told Burton that Eastwood had already signed. Presto! Or hopefully, in our case, Preston!

Oh Hell !!! I just had a thought. You don't think that people like Bruce and co read HERE do you? Not when they have their own oracle of truth and justice disseminating light to grateful millions surely. I hope the cover isn't blown. It all hinges on the sleight of hand you see and the natural romantic attraction between the two. Just call me Amelie ! So romantic! I remember somebody else who loved that image and found it so innocent and cute. You know, trying to manipulate others into sexual encounters for his or her own thrills and enjoying the game of making others into objects, willingly or not. What could be more innocent to the point of other-worldly and more demonstrative of a romantic and loveably 'kooky' personality? Absolutely nothing! Proof not just of innocence on the level of the Virgin Mary but of the very impossibility of wrongdoing.. a 'Get out of Jail free' card for all eternity. You may refer to me in future as Saint Squeak of Mousetown, the well known mouse who is ever so slightly embarrassed of his halo but wears it anyway.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 11:41 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Just a quick drive buy to mention Jools translation of the Giallo article by Albina Perri Amanda Knox's Coke Dealer Friend Federico

Interesting but one thought sticks: if they're just making extradition difficult for Knox that's fine, but if it's Bongiorno being a little too clever with misdirection, that Meredith was murdered by Knox, Guede, and a gang of cocaine smugglers (the unidentified male DNA samples on the bra) that simply won't fly with the court.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 4:15 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Ergon wrote:
Just a quick drive buy to mention Jools translation of the Giallo article by Albina Perri Amanda Knox's Coke Dealer Friend Federico

Interesting but one thought sticks: if they're just making extradition difficult for Knox that's fine, but if it's Bongiorno being a little too clever with misdirection, that Meredith was murdered by Knox, Guede, and a gang of cocaine smugglers (the unidentified male DNA samples on the bra) that simply won't fly with the court.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 6:13 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Yes, the article (kindly translated by Jools) is terrible news for the crafted Disneyfied fiction that is Knox's American image. But, I don't believe its speculations on the motive (or the dynamic) for Meredith's murder is correct, not in regard to Knox. The roots of that motive were laid back in Seattle in April 2007. Not just "what" she did in her April Fools prank, but to WHOM and WHY she did it to that particular person. That "prank" wasn't carried out due to a misguided sense of fun, it was payback. Then poor Meredith came along, the new competition, the new threat...and she received the full fury of what had been seeded back in Seattle.

The one thing we have never heard come out of America, is any form of character defence of Amanda by her former Seattle housemates, only silence...there's a reason for that! If they were ever to come forward, or were tracked down, there will be some very interesting things they would tell, they hold the key. For all the supposed investigative journalists in the States, not a single one has ever bothered to find them...and nobody there has asked the question of why that is. We already have all the evidence for this case, but if you find them you also find the key to it, the final piece of the puzzle.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 6:15 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

A warm welcome to new poster corpusvile, it's great to see you here :)

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 7:56 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

corpusvile wrote:
The comment under "Amanda" is interesting, particularly the signing of "A" which is how Knox signed on her blog. It also appears different than the other in regards to not wishing to talk about the case, not that it'll make a difference at this point. Interesting though especially as she appears to be absent from her blog as of late.


Hi corpusvile,

Welcome to the board! Good to see you here.

So far, Amanda Knox has commented on everything Raffaele Sollecito has done, but since he has announced his separation strategy, she lets her supporters speak for her or posts under an assumed name on the internet.

Knox follows the online debate closely. She cannot claim ignorance that someone has made comments in her name. If she does not agree with the comments then why would she stay quiet and not distance herself from the fraud who is using her name?

It's either her, or it's someone else but she approves of the messages.

If I had knowledge that someone was posting threats in my name against my co-defendant, I would want to put a stop to it. She has commented on her blog on far less important matters. So no matter how you look at it, this development is quite interesting and not necessarily positive for Amanda Knox.

I find the fact that the comment has been deleted from Amanda's profile very interesting as other comments thanking her supporters and another comment Ergon posted earlier, are still showing up under her name. So she only wanted to disassociate her account from the comment that included the threat against Raffaele Sollecito. Would an anonymous troll do that? It must be someone who cares about Knox.

In my opinion it's either her or someone who posts under her name with her approval.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 12:29 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Nell wrote:
Knox follows the online debate closely. She cannot claim ignorance that someone has made comments in her name. If she does not agree with the comments then why would she stay quiet and not distance herself from the fraud who is using her name?



Of course. That's because she's made them.

She also is fully aware, if not encouraging, the full-on bullying and intimidation of the Kercher family, a family that have been so wronged, yet have done nothing wrong themselves. And still they maintain their grace and dignity and it's exactly this that makes Knox and her supporters hate them so. Their grace highlights, by manner of opposites, the rancid base nature of the souls that comprise of Knox and her thugs. Knox has NEVER publicly posted or spoken out against the attacks on the family whose daughter and sister she raped, beat, stabbed and left to drown in her own blood. This is because she fully supports the bullying and no doubt, takes part herself using socks. That's a really special kind of evil.


Nell wrote:
I find the fact that the comment has been deleted from Amanda's profile very interesting as other comments thanking her supporters and another comment Ergon posted earlier, are still showing up under her name. So she only wanted to disassociate her account from the comment that included the threat against Raffaele Sollecito...




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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 3:14 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

A dose of irony for the day. Introducing "Amanda's Law" which makes it a crime to take and distribute pictures of a murder victim.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -girl.html
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 3:54 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

David Marriott has been busy tweeting his new memo to journalists:

https://twitter.com/GogertyMarriott/sta ... 3683860481
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 5:40 pm   Post subject: A MATCHMAKER FOR AMANDA   

SqueakE, don't sell your self short, this is your calling, but the person who needs your services the most is Amanda Knox. She really needs to get married soon, in time for the next publicity cycle..

Matchmaker

Matchmaker, matchmaker, make me a match.
Find me a find, catch me a catch.
Matchmaker, matchmaker, look through your book
I am not a crook!

Matchmaker, matchmaker, I'll bring the veil.
You bring the groom, slender and pale.
Bring me a ring, for I'm longing to be
The envy of all on ABC.

For Papa, make him a younger extradition lawyer.
For Mama, make him famous with a big, dower.
For me, well, I wouldn't holler
If he had an underground shelter.

Matchmaker, matchmaker, this is crass.
But please, please, save my ass!
Night after night, in the dark, I'm alone.
Except for Steve Moore guarding the door, I'm alone.

Amanda, oh Amanda, have I made a match for you.
He's Joe Starr! He's young! All right, he's 62.
But he's a nice man, a good catch. True? True!
I promise you'll be happy. And even if you're not,
There's more to life than that. Don't ask me what!

Amanda! I've found him! Will you be a lucky bride!
He's handsome. He's tall! That is, if you squint your eyes.
But he's a nice man, a good catch, Right? Right!
You've heard Frank has a temper. He'll beat you every night.
But only when he's sober- so you're all right!

Did you think you'd get a prince?
Well I do the best I can.
With a murder conviction coming soon,
Be glad you got a man!

Matchmaker, matchmaker, you know that I'm
Still very young. Please, take your time.
Up to this minute, I've misunderstood
That I could get stuck in prison for good.

Dear Dempsey, see that he's gentle.
Remember, you were also a bride.
It's not that I'm sentimental.
It's just that I'm terrified!

Matchmaker, matchmaker, plan me no plan.
But I'm scared to go back to Capanne.
I'm in no rush. maybe I've learned
Playing with knives a girl can get burned.

So bring me no ring, groom me no groom,
Find me no find, catch me no catch.
Unless he's a drugless match!
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 6:30 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Ergon wrote:
SqueakE, don't sell your self short, this is your calling, but the person who needs your services the most is Amanda Knox. She really needs to get married soon, in time for the next publicity cycle..

Quote:
Dear Dempsey, see that he's gentle.
Remember, you were also a bride.
It's not that I'm sentimental.
It's just that I'm terrified!

Matchmaker, matchmaker, plan me no plan.
But I'm scared to go back to Capanne.
I'm in no rush. maybe I've learned
Playing with knives a girl can get burned.

So bring me no ring, groom me no groom,
Find me no find, catch me no catch.
Unless he's a drugless match!


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 7:53 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

It actually looks legit: https://twitter.com/GogertyMarriott

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 8:13 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

But I doubt that it is https://twitter.com/GogertyMarriott/sta ... 88/photo/1 :)
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 8:45 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

If it isn't, I think that it needs to be made clear that it is a parody.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 10:07 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Michael wrote:
If it isn't, I think that it needs to be made clear that it is a parody.


I don't know what the Twitter rules are for parody accounts, but it is clear to me that it is a spoof account and that the memo is not real just by looking at it.

Obviously Gogerty Marriott would not publish such thing.

I am going to wait patiently what Graham Phillips will publish about his exchanges with David Marriott. He asked to interview Amanda Knox, Marriott said ok, send a list of questions. He did and all of his questions were dismissed. There was some email exchange afterwards, but in the end, they could not agree on one single question.

Graham Phillips wrote about Knox before on his blog, but the story has taken a back seat since he is very involved in reporting about the situation in the Ukraine.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 10:09 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

The account has been suspended.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 11:32 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Ergon wrote:
The account has been suspended.


That was quick. Shows how closely Marriott follows the online debate about his client.
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Nell wrote:
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The account has been suspended.


That was quick. Shows how closely Marriott follows the online debate about his client.



Or, more likely, he received a frantic phone call from a foaming at the mouth Mellox or groupie.

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Michael wrote:
Nell wrote:
Ergon wrote:
The account has been suspended.


That was quick. Shows how closely Marriott follows the online debate about his client.



Or, more likely, he received a frantic phone call from a foaming at the mouth Mellox or groupie.


That's the same to me. They work closely together. Says everything you need to know about him.
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Nell wrote:
Michael wrote:
Nell wrote:
Ergon wrote:
The account has been suspended.


That was quick. Shows how closely Marriott follows the online debate about his client.



Or, more likely, he received a frantic phone call from a foaming at the mouth Mellox or groupie.


That's the same to me. They work closely together. Says everything you need to know about him.


Marriott Twitter page back up again nw)
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 9:35 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Stan wrote:
Nell wrote:
Michael wrote:
Nell wrote:
Ergon wrote:
The account has been suspended.


That was quick. Shows how closely Marriott follows the online debate about his client.



Or, more likely, he received a frantic phone call from a foaming at the mouth Mellox or groupie.


That's the same to me. They work closely together. Says everything you need to know about him.


Marriott Twitter page back up again nw)



Hi Stan. Strange....I've seen this sort of thing on Twitter before, the yo-yoing of accounts between active and suspended. I wonder why that is.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 9:39 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

(( OT OT ))


Vietnam's taste for cat leaves pets in peril

04:30, Biology/Plants & Animals



The enduring popularity of "little tiger" as a snack to accompany a beer in Vietnam means that cat owners live in constant fear of animal snatchers, despite an official ban.

At an unassuming restaurant next to a carwash in central Hanoi, a cat is prepared for hungry clients: drowned, shaved and burned to remove all fur before being cut up and fried with garlic.

"A lot of people eat cat meat. It's a novelty. They want to try it," said the establishment's manager To Van Dung, 35.

Vietnam has forbidden the consumption of cats in an effort to encourage their ownership and keep the capital's rat population under control.

But there are still dozens of restaurants serving cat in Hanoi and it is rare to see felines roaming the streets—most pet-owners keep them indoors or tied up out of fear of cat thieves.

Such is the demand from restaurants that cats are sometimes smuggled across the border from Thailand and Laos.

Dung said that he had never had problems with the law. He buys his cats from local breeders but also so-called cat traders, with few checks on their sourcing.

"Little tiger" is typically enjoyed at the start of each lunar month, unlike dog meat which is eaten at the end.

On a busy day, the restaurant can serve around 100 clients.

"I know in the United States and Britain they don't eat cat. But here we do," Nguyen Dinh Tue, 44, said as he chewed on a piece of fried cat meat.

"I don't kill the cat! But this place sells it so I like to eat it," he added.




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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 4:33 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

My guess is announcement of paperback edition of "Waiting To Be Heard" timed for Supreme Court hearings date.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 11:15 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Radar Online reports on Amanda Knox's connection to a convicted drug smuggler/dealer:

Foxy Knoxy Doomed? Amanda Knox Prosecutor Confirms Her Alleged Links To Cocaine Dealers, Weeks After Radar’s Report
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 3:23 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Has anyone checked Raffaele Sollecito's GoFundMe page lately?

While he had been almost forgotten by Amanda Knox groupies and donations were coming in only slowly, his separation strategy has led to a sudden increase in donations.

In the past 28 days $2,345 have been donated to his fund.

What stands out is that since his press conference on July 1, 2014, you can spot major donations of $100 up to $300 in one single transaction.

The panic is spreading among Amanda Knox supporters.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 2:09 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Nell wrote:
Radar Online reports on Amanda Knox's connection to a convicted drug smuggler/dealer:

Foxy Knoxy Doomed? Amanda Knox Prosecutor Confirms Her Alleged Links To Cocaine Dealers, Weeks After Radar’s Report


I also see AK's phone records at the other sites... trying (I guess) to show that AK wasn't calling a drug dealer. Problem looks like to me that the calls to Spiros and SEVERAL others that the caller isn't named are very suspicious.

Maybe you can check those out a little better than I have.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 3:44 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

dgfred wrote:
Nell wrote:
Radar Online reports on Amanda Knox's connection to a convicted drug smuggler/dealer:

Foxy Knoxy Doomed? Amanda Knox Prosecutor Confirms Her Alleged Links To Cocaine Dealers, Weeks After Radar’s Report


I also see AK's phone records at the other sites... trying (I guess) to show that AK wasn't calling a drug dealer. Problem looks like to me that the calls to Spiros and SEVERAL others that the caller isn't named are very suspicious.

Maybe you can check those out a little better than I have.


A few numbers have not been identified, so one of these or various will belong to the person in question, the drug dealer with the initial F.

Popper on .org commented it could be Federico Martini who pleaded guilty and received 2 years and 8 months of jail.

Amanda Knox offers her phone log with annotations made by police on her blog and I am checking the telephone numbers, but as you can imagine, some will be impossible to attribute to anyone without first hand knowledge.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 5:21 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Hi, it's me, Amanda

You may not have known this, but I have been making posts about this case for several years now under this pseudonym.

I just do it to create online controversy so I can keep all of you interested my story. So, thanks all for following along!

Ciao suckers.

a.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 5:42 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Haha... your post have certainly been stupid enough to be so. Keep 'em coming.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 5:56 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Diocletian wrote:
Hi, it's me, Amanda

You may not have known this, but I have been making posts about this case for several years now under this pseudonym.

I just do it to create online controversy so I can keep all of you interested my story. So, thanks all for following along!

Ciao suckers.

a.

:lol:
LOL :) c-))
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 6:01 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

New Astrology Article about 'The Face of an Angel' movie coming out in September.
http://www.examiner.com/article/astrolo ... ieve-gaunt

I was wondering why they chose the names that they did.
In the movie, Amanda Knox is Jessica Fuller (for the Jessica Rabbit comparison?)
And Meredith is called 'Elizabeth Pryce'
Any thoughts on why they chose these names?
Just wondering.

h-))
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 6:08 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Diocletian wrote:
Hi, it's me, Amanda

You may not have known this, but I have been making posts about this case for several years now under the pseudonym.

I just do it to create online controversy so I can keep all of you interested my story. So, thanks all for following along!

Ciao suckers.

a.


You're not Amanda Knox, Diocletian, as you joined PMF Sat Mar 12, 2011 7:43 pm from a Comcast account in the US. She was in Capanne prison at the time. You're just a FOA member who observed the Tuesday rule so we tolerated you, and your meager 64 posts output didn't cause us to raise a sweat. No, you weren't flying under the radar, your passive aggressive tone was enough to mark you.

Your buddies on .ORG, though, are they going to decloak soon?

Stay or leave this forum, but observe the Tuesday rule, thanks.
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