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XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 - SEPT 29, 13

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 8:51 pm   Post subject: Re: Is inappropriate behaviour a sign of guilt?   

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Scott Lee Peterson (born October 24, 1972) is an American convicted of murdering his wife, Laci Peterson, and their unborn son in Modesto, California in 2002. Peterson's arrest and subsequent trial received significant American news media coverage until 2005, when he was sentenced to death by lethal injection. He remains on death row in San Quentin State Prison while his case is on appeal to the Supreme Court of California. He maintains his innocence.

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Yet the Friends of Knox have all sorts of excuses for her behavior except the obvious one: psychopathy.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 9:01 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

I'll be brief. Still nursing my computer.

I have read all that I have been able to over these past few days and I have noticed one thing:
The not-so-subtle attempts to either tittilate or horrify readers by pointing out the harrassment of a 'lesbian relationship' are going to turn around and bite the advertisers in the ass, IMO.

I'm not gay, never felt the impluse. I don't question the way I am wired, nor do I question others. It isn't up to me to determine for them what their sexuality or lifestyle should be. But, throwing around the word 'lesbian' as a hook to crank up interest is never a positive thing. I think they should stop.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 9:11 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Seems Deborah Orr has got it right
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/apr/19/amanda-knox-book-reveals-ordeal


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The memoir of Amanda Knox, Waiting to Be Heard, will be published in the US at the end of the month. Pre-publication details reveal that Knox strenuously proclaims innocence of any involvement with the death of British student, Meredith Kercher, and found the experience of being tried and convicted of her murder a highly unpleasant experience. In other words, it's a turkey. One can only thank publisher HarperCollins for its generosity in compensating Knox for her ordeal.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 1:45 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

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Many of us believe there is a spiritual and intangible element to life. Ergon you also manage to be a sharp observer to what is logical and grounded. Your arguments are factual and intuitive and appreciated. Your spirituality only adds another facet to the story that the reader can identify with or not. Most importantly it acknowledges the very bright and present spirit of Meredith.


Thank you, malvern. Perugia is an ancient city built on an Etruscan foundation; its walls contain many remnants of the older civilization. Its inhabitants have always been fiercely independent of Rome, and could care less that the sophisticated Romans think of them as er, slightly provincial, and maybe, superstitious. Me, I love every thing about it, from the chocolate to the culture and the warm, friendly people. And there is another thing that drew me to it: the Etruscan culture was very concerned with the after life and the hidden dimensions. It seems to me that while there's this huge disconnect in Western civilization between rationalism and spirituality, here in Perugia it's all a whole lot closer to the surface. I met occultists who I'm now pleased to call friends, and sense the many bright, shining spirits that hang there. Meredith had a much deeper connection to Perugia than most can imagine, but I have kept my views on this mostly out of this site, even when I felt it precluded a deeper understanding of this case or the culture of Perugia. If people want to call it a simple murder case, then why does it haunt us so? I tried, in my own way, to help bridge that and create a deeper understanding.

I should also point out that PM Mignini was unfairly targeted for even hinting there were deeper, darker forces at play here in the MOF and Meredith Kercher cases. North American media played on those very same anti-supernatural tendencies by painting him as a satanism obsessed prosecutor, and in so doing, allowed some serious criminals to walk free. Even when some native commentators on TJMK and PMF discussed the deep hold masonry has on the Italian polis I felt those references went over the head of most people or were politely ignored. That's sad, really. I do not speak for him or claim to know what his views on the supernatural are, but failure to understand the underlying Perugian culture seriously impedes our understanding of this and the related MOF case, and gives his enemies a free rein to continue attacking him. And us, from defending him. IMHO.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 4:01 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

I think I made a mistake on the timing of the CCTV on the murder night. The CCTV time of the person in white seems to be 20:51 so real time 20:41. This seems to exclude both Meredith and AK. Unless Popovic timing was a bit off when she said she saw AK at about 20:40. Could AK have been on the way out when she sent the 20:35 text message? Confusing :)
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 5:01 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Another observation I made from the images in the postale.pdf is that it is clear that the Caribinieri car is waiting in front of the driveway (instead of entering) when you look at the clock. The car is hardly moving the last 15 seconds. If it would have entered it would disappear within just a few seconds.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 5:29 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

The carabinieri could have parked in front of the driveway without entering, max. There's enough room to park, and they may have thought it wouldn't take long. As far as they knew, it was a simple robbery, "nothing taken". Write down a report, leave quickly.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 5:36 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Ergon wrote:
The carabinieri could have parked in front of the driveway without entering, max. There's enough room to park, and they may have thought it wouldn't take long. As far as they knew, it was a simple robbery, "nothing taken". Write down a report, leave quickly.

That is what Bongiorno would like us to think but if that was true then why not produce a statement from the Carbinieri? She is just speculating. The images not show much more than the police car moving very slowly in front of the driveway. IMO probably waiting for the policeman who was walking there just seconds before.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 6:30 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Ergon wrote:
...Hi, Michael, I can confirm now that Frank Sfarzo did plan on attending the Seattle court hearing on December 31, thinking he could get away with it as he did in Kona court. Even though he had been thrown out of more than one Knox friend and family member's home, there were others willing to put him up. But, as we started publishing the Sfarzo~gate papers, and knowing I had contacted Canadian and US authorities, they didn't want to risk it. Frank's karma, keeping in mind how much he perverted the cause of justice, finally caught up to him.

Btw, he was staying in Rome last I knew. That's why the police haven't been able to find him yet.


Hi Ergon - I look forward to learning more about your trip to Italy.

For example, how do you know the Italian police are looking for "Frank"?

Are you meaning to suggest that a bench warrant has been issued by an Italian judge?

If so, to which charge/ proceeding does it pertain? (I've lost track of the charges "Frank" is said to be facing in Italy: Is it true that there are 2 separate criminal charges, one flowing from the alleged defamation of Mignini and one flowing from the alleged domestic dispute with his family?)
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 8:20 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Jackie wrote:
Ergon wrote:
...Hi, Michael, I can confirm now that Frank Sfarzo did plan on attending the Seattle court hearing on December 31, thinking he could get away with it as he did in Kona court. Even though he had been thrown out of more than one Knox friend and family member's home, there were others willing to put him up. But, as we started publishing the Sfarzo~gate papers, and knowing I had contacted Canadian and US authorities, they didn't want to risk it. Frank's karma, keeping in mind how much he perverted the cause of justice, finally caught up to him.

Btw, he was staying in Rome last I knew. That's why the police haven't been able to find him yet.


Hi Ergon - I look forward to learning more about your trip to Italy.

For example, how do you know the Italian police are looking for "Frank"?

Are you meaning to suggest that a bench warrant has been issued by an Italian judge?

If so, to which charge/ proceeding does it pertain? (I've lost track of the charges "Frank" is said to be facing in Italy: Is it true that there are 2 separate criminal charges, one flowing from the alleged defamation of Mignini and one flowing from the alleged domestic dispute with his family?)


Hi Jackie. No, no warrant that I'm aware of. There are investigations, although I don't know what kind. But, not by Mignini.

It is probably best not to say any more, the vibe I'm getting is discretion is required on this (which is just as well, since I don't know any more then that. Ergon knows more then I do on this matter).

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 8:37 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

max wrote:
Ergon wrote:
The carabinieri could have parked in front of the driveway without entering, max. There's enough room to park, and they may have thought it wouldn't take long. As far as they knew, it was a simple robbery, "nothing taken". Write down a report, leave quickly.

That is what Bongiorno would like us to think but if that was true then why not produce a statement from the Carbinieri? She is just speculating. The images not show much more than the police car moving very slowly in front of the driveway. IMO probably waiting for the policeman who was walking there just seconds before.


Massei didn't even accept Bongiorno's PDF into evidence. Hellmann didn't either. Some people are putting invalid weight on that PDF. It isn't "evidence", it's an argument. On the point of whether Raffaele called the police before or after the Postal police arrived, Massei found that there was not enough evidence (since both the prosecution and defence submissions cancelled each other out - a draw/equal balance) to achieve judicial clarity on that matter, so he ruled as he had to rule when there's not enough evidence to swing the pendulum far enough one way or the other, he gave the "benefit of the doubt" to the accused.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 8:51 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

I will just add, the root of this problem would be down to a bizarre innate problem for Italians (it would seem) to know what time it is or/and remember it correctly. The time Filomena's boyfriends said they got there doesn't seem to be right. The time Filomena and her friend said they got there doesn't seem to be right. The time the Postal Police said they got there doesn't seem to be right. The logs don't seem to get the time right either. Even Italian video camera's have no idea what the bloody time is! If any of their times ARE right, then that is problematic for Raffaele and his claim that he called the police before they arrived. But, it is therefore little wonder that this issue cannot be resolved in a satisfying way...clarity one way or the other. Frankly, this whole issue gives me a headache.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:22 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

DoctorRadias wrote:
Seems Deborah Orr has got it right
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/apr/19/amanda-knox-book-reveals-ordeal


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The memoir of Amanda Knox, Waiting to Be Heard, will be published in the US at the end of the month. Pre-publication details reveal that Knox strenuously proclaims innocence of any involvement with the death of British student, Meredith Kercher, and found the experience of being tried and convicted of her murder a highly unpleasant experience. In other words, it's a turkey. One can only thank publisher HarperCollins for its generosity in compensating Knox for her ordeal.


Thanks DoctorRadias. Everyone should read the comments below that article. The FOAKers are absolutely APOPLECTIC. How DARE any journalist have the nerve to write any review of Knox's book that isn't full of gushing praise and doesn't declare it to be the most important and cracking read since the Holy Bible! And the proof that it is? It's over 400 pages long!

Funny that. They strangely don't seem to care for things that are over 10,000 pages long. I actually really like them ;)

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:37 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Michael wrote:
I will just add, the root of this problem would be down to a bizarre innate problem for Italians (it would seem) to know what time it is or/and remember it correctly. The time Filomena's boyfriends said they got there doesn't seem to be right. The time Filomena and her friend said they got there doesn't seem to be right. The time the Postal Police said they got there doesn't seem to be right. The logs don't seem to get the time right either. Even Italian video camera's have no idea what the bloody time is! If any of their times ARE right, then that is problematic for Raffaele and his claim that he called the police before they arrived. But, it is therefore little wonder that this issue cannot be resolved in a satisfying way...clarity one way or the other. Frankly, this whole issue gives me a headache.

Lol...and it could have been so simple if someone had the common sense to make a small report of when and how they compared the CCTV clock with the real internet time. It is not a major issue I think. I think even if it had been made clear that RS called the police after the arrival of the postal police he could have said something like...my sister insisted I call them anyway. Still a weird thing to do though.

I find it interesting to speculate that the person in white is AK herself. The walk from RS's apartment to the cottage is about 5 minutes, so she would have left right after the 20:35 text message to Patrick to be on the video images (20:41:33). This is what AK said in her 01:45 statement, "I replied to the message saying that we would meet immediately, therefore I went out telling my boyfriend that I had to go to work.". A half truth maybe?
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:49 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

About the comments -- I've noticed a few articles that have comments where the commenters have only ever posted a few times, and always about lil miss.
There's a well organised campaign going on here to promote the book.


I find it odd, to say the least, that most folk do not look further than the hyperbole..

I can see it all backfiring in spectacular fashion at some point

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 11:00 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

max wrote:
Michael wrote:
I will just add, the root of this problem would be down to a bizarre innate problem for Italians (it would seem) to know what time it is or/and remember it correctly. The time Filomena's boyfriends said they got there doesn't seem to be right. The time Filomena and her friend said they got there doesn't seem to be right. The time the Postal Police said they got there doesn't seem to be right. The logs don't seem to get the time right either. Even Italian video camera's have no idea what the bloody time is! If any of their times ARE right, then that is problematic for Raffaele and his claim that he called the police before they arrived. But, it is therefore little wonder that this issue cannot be resolved in a satisfying way...clarity one way or the other. Frankly, this whole issue gives me a headache.

Lol...and it could have been so simple if someone had the common sense to make a small report of when and how they compared the CCTV clock with the real internet time. It is not a major issue I think. I think even if it had been made clear that RS called the police after the arrival of the postal police he could have said something like...my sister insisted I call them anyway. Still a weird thing to do though.

I find it interesting to speculate that the person in white is AK herself. The walk from RS's apartment to the cottage is about 5 minutes, so she would have left right after the 20:35 text message to Patrick to be on the video images (20:41:33). This is what AK said in her 01:45 statement, "I replied to the message saying that we would meet immediately, therefore I went out telling my boyfriend that I had to go to work.". A half truth maybe?


I've always believed that was Knox in that video. It's absolutely not Meredith. I couldn't believe what I was reading when I read the copper's testimony where he said they believed it to be Meredith.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 11:15 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

DoctorRadias wrote:
About the comments -- I've noticed a few articles that have comments where the commenters have only ever posted a few times, and always about lil miss.
There's a well organised campaign going on here to promote the book.


I find it odd, to say the least, that most folk do not look further than the hyperbole..

I can see it all backfiring in spectacular fashion at some point

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Their big mistake is coming on like that on the comments section of a British newspaper. British readers see straight through spin and hyperbole and don't like comment section hijacks by vested interests...and the Guardian is not a tabloid. They are effectively demonstrating their total ignorance by imagining British Guardian readers are stupid. Shoot. in. foot.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 11:20 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Worth posting comments 2 & 3 on that short review in the Guardian ("turkey"). AbeLinc60579177 (comment 1) was FOA plant.

@AbeLinc60579177 - Most of us expected it to be full of cliched propaganda aimed at brushing over the fact that Knox is a convicted criminal (3 years for calumny - upheld. No appeal possible) who has never explained why she wanted Patrick Lumumba, an innocent man, to go to prison for murder.

Evidence suggests that Knox was covering up her own part in Meredith Kercher's murder, and that's why she is likely to have her murder conviction confirmed. The stuff about 'contemplating suicide' is an absolute lie designed to sell books. Knox was happy and relaxed in Italy - she played her guitar, sang with fellow inmates and turned up in court in an 'All You Need Is Love' T-shirt.

Harper Collins want to make money of Knox, and Knox wants to make money out of her infamy. It's a sick world. Thankfully, there are decent people around who will go nowhere near this book, and indeed will protest about it.


@AbeLinc60579177 - Interesting how you suddenly create a Guardian profile to post propaganda on behalf of Knox. You absolutely confirm the widespread belief that Knox's PR people are organising the highly immoral internet campaign aimed at exonerating a convicted criminal. There's no point in arguing with you - you'll just continue making stuff up because that's what you're instructed to do.

Just be warned, though - the majority of decent people around the world know exacty what Knox and her 'people' are doing, not least of all those who work within the Italian criminal justice system. PR may win over justice and truth in the corrupt, lying universe created by some, but you can't keep fooling people for ever. Knox is beginning to realise that, and so should you. You should also spare a thought for the ultimate victim of Knox's lies - a young murder victim called Meredith Kercher who will never be paid millions to show off on TV and in the pages of propaganda 'memoirs'.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 12:03 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Amanda Knox sometimes 'paralyzed' with anxiety

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 12:32 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Michael wrote:
Amanda Knox sometimes 'paralyzed' with anxiety

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again with comment trolls..

JLS1950 sure has its work cut out trying to defend the good name of a murdering trollope..
Seems most comments, JLS aside, either don't believe a word or are fedup hearing about poor lil miss murder-a-pizzia.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 1:40 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Raffaele Sollecito Now Under Formal Investigation For New Crimes Apparently Unprecedented

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The main thesis of this article must be treated as unconfirmed rumor, as that's exactly what it is, until we get official confirmation via either official public or official back channels. Until then, it's extremely dangerous for TJMK to proclaim it a fact on the front page. True Justice needs to incorporate the concept of hedging in its reporting.

NOTE: Will someone please correct Peter Quennell on who organised the Vashon FOAKer love-in. This is the umpteenth time he's declared the driver behind it was Curt Knox, on his front page, as an absolute fact. This is absolutely false (Curt and his Knox family members refused to even attend, much less organise or invite those fruit-loop-nut -job-tinfoil-hat-wearing-weirdos, he cannot stand that crowd and hates them with a passion. This is the Mellas family's gang and it was primarily organised by Chris Mellas, supported by Janet Huff, Edda Mellas and Amanda and Deanna Knox. This is confirmed by their attending that cesspit party as well as by statements by others who either attended or were invited. I even have a copy of the secret email invite Chris Mellas sent out (which I cannot publish due to reasons that I can't disclose, that required a promise to my source that I would not). TJMK is not only posting false facts to its readership on this matter, but even worse, demonstrates a complete lack of understanding on TJMK's part of the fundamental dynamics of the TWO Parallel Knox advocacy campaigns (where at least one of those campaigns completely disapproves of the other and will have nothing to do with it). Truly bizarre, considering the whole purpose of TJMK being created four years ago was to directly counter the misinformation spread daily by the Knox astroturfed advocacy campaign. We must be strict in correcting misfacts put out by the Knox Machine. But we must be TEN TIMES as strict in correcting any facts we ever get wrong and the moment we discover them. The foundation on which the whole credibility of our respective sites that give a voice to the victim - Meredith Kercher and her family - is TRUTH and justice, the minimum that is required by the victims and world society. If we lose the keystone of credibility, then we're useless to both.

And whilst I'm at it, Quennell can also a) quit the full-on bullying of anyone who posts anything on the respective Meredith sites that he doesn't like or that challenges him (Quennell does NOT own this case) and c) start proofreading his articles - or/and at the very least (and really, would it kill him?) employ a spell checker. Many of the best ones are free! Professional individuals and organisations are never going to regard a site as being professional and therefore credible, if many of its articles taking those professional individuals and organisations that have engaged in Knox advocacy masked as factual reporting, to task, when those articles are littered with sloppy spelling mistakes.

I've been biting my tongue for months. I can't, shan't, won't do that anymore. That will do, for the moment...

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 3:36 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Michael wrote:
Raffaele Sollecito Now Under Formal Investigation For New Crimes Apparently Unprecedented

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The main thesis of this article must be treated as unconfirmed rumor, as that's exactly what it is, until we get official confirmation via either official public or official back channels. Until then, it's extremely dangerous for TJMK to proclaim it a fact on the front page. True Justice needs to incorporate the concept of hedging in its reporting.

NOTE: Will someone please correct Peter Quennell on who organised the Vashon FOAKer love-in. This is the umpteenth time he's declared the driver behind it was Curt Knox, on his front page, as an absolute fact. This is absolutely false (Curt and his Knox family members refused to even attend, much less organise or invite those fruit-loop-nut -job-tinfoil-hat-wearing-weirdos, he cannot stand that crowd and hates them with a passion. This is the Mellas family's gang and it was primarily organised by Chris Mellas, supported by Janet Huff, Edda Mellas and Amanda and Deanna Knox. This is confirmed by their attending that cesspit party as well as by statements by others who either attended or were invited. I even have a copy of the secret email invite Chris Mellas sent out (which I cannot publish due to reasons that I can't disclose, that required a promise to my source that I would not). TJMK is not only posting false facts to its readership on this matter, but even worse, demonstrates a complete lack of understanding on TJMK's part of the fundamental dynamics of the TWO Parallel Knox advocacy campaigns (where at least one of those campaigns completely disapproves of the other and will have nothing to do with it). Truly bizarre, considering the whole purpose of TJMK being created four years ago was to directly counter the misinformation spread daily by the Knox astroturfed advocacy campaign. We must be strict in correcting misfacts put out by the Knox Machine. But we must be TEN TIMES as strict in correcting any facts we ever get wrong and the moment we discover them. The foundation on which the whole credibility of our respective sites that give a voice to the victim - Meredith Kercher and her family - is TRUTH and justice, the minimum that is required by the victims and world society. If we lose the keystone of credibility, then we're useless to both.

And whilst I'm at it, Quennell can also a) quit the full-on bullying of anyone who posts anything on the respective Meredith sites that he doesn't like or that challenges him (Quennell does NOT own this case) and c) start proofreading his articles - or/and at the very least (and really, would it kill him?) employ a spell checker. Many of the best ones are free! Professional individuals and organisations are never going to regard a site as being professional and therefore credible, if many of its articles taking those professional individuals and organisations that have engaged in Knox advocacy masked as factual reporting, to task, when those articles are littered with sloppy spelling mistakes.

I've been biting my tongue for months. I can't, shan't, won't do that anymore. That will do, for the moment...


I'll second this. There is more than one Knox machine and the distinction is important. Chris and Curt are doing this for different reasons and its not all about Amanda for one party. Curt has his campaign out of a sense of family loyalty/reputation and Chris out of vengeance to the media and is driving the internet campaign (not Marriott/Curt in my mind as they focus on traditional media - you can tell the difference in the tone of the comments, the shriller the tone/less informed the comment, the more likely it's the Mellas gang). I have more sympathy with Curt than Chris; in fact in different circumstances, Curt seems more like a guy you could have a beer with. My opinion, I'm sure you all have your view!

I also agree with some of your points over TJMK, particularly the ownership point. I read the Grauniad so proof reading bothers me less ;) but the smug "we're the authority" tone of TJMK is sometimes a bit much. I don't like it personally but then I don't read there that often as I find that its just repeating what is discussed here and at .org (which I do still read very regularly as I enjoy many of the posters thought processes there, particularly Yummi, Bard and Thoughtful.). Also Pete hasn't remained board neutral after the split which makes it difficult for anyone here to contribute on his site. My two pence worth...
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 5:06 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Jackie wrote:
Ergon wrote:
...Hi, Michael, I can confirm now that Frank Sfarzo did plan on attending the Seattle court hearing on December 31, thinking he could get away with it as he did in Kona court. Even though he had been thrown out of more than one Knox friend and family member's home, there were others willing to put him up. But, as we started publishing the Sfarzo~gate papers, and knowing I had contacted Canadian and US authorities, they didn't want to risk it. Frank's karma, keeping in mind how much he perverted the cause of justice, finally caught up to him.

Btw, he was staying in Rome last I knew. That's why the police haven't been able to find him yet.


Hi Ergon - I look forward to learning more about your trip to Italy.

For example, how do you know the Italian police are looking for "Frank"?

Are you meaning to suggest that a bench warrant has been issued by an Italian judge?

If so, to which charge/ proceeding does it pertain? (I've lost track of the charges "Frank" is said to be facing in Italy: Is it true that there are 2 separate criminal charges, one flowing from the alleged defamation of Mignini and one flowing from the alleged domestic dispute with his family?)


Hi, Jackie, all I can say for now is there is a broader investigation going on into the activities of Francesco Sforza. And if he should surface, he will be arrested for his no show in court.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 5:26 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Ergon..Thanks so much for your reporting from Perugia. Many of us find it brings deep feelings to the surface....

As for all the questions about Frank, I will wager his misdeeds will catch up with him. He will pay the piper and he will dance to the tune. On that note, we have not forgotten you Meredith, and those who abused you will answer, now or later. The laws of Karma are groovy that way.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 5:40 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Michael wrote:
Raffaele Sollecito Now Under Formal Investigation For New Crimes Apparently Unprecedented

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The main thesis of this article must be treated as unconfirmed rumor, as that's exactly what it is, until we get official confirmation via either official public or official back channels. Until then, it's extremely dangerous for TJMK to proclaim it a fact on the front page. True Justice needs to incorporate the concept of hedging in its reporting.

NOTE: Will someone please correct Peter Quennell on who organised the Vashon FOAKer love-in. This is the umpteenth time he's declared the driver behind it was Curt Knox, on his front page, as an absolute fact. This is absolutely false (Curt and his Knox family members refused to even attend, much less organise or invite those fruit-loop-nut -job-tinfoil-hat-wearing-weirdos, he cannot stand that crowd and hates them with a passion. This is the Mellas family's gang and it was primarily organised by Chris Mellas, supported by Janet Huff, Edda Mellas and Amanda and Deanna Knox. This is confirmed by their attending that cesspit party as well as by statements by others who either attended or were invited. I even have a copy of the secret email invite Chris Mellas sent out (which I cannot publish due to reasons that I can't disclose, that required a promise to my source that I would not). TJMK is not only posting false facts to its readership on this matter, but even worse, demonstrates a complete lack of understanding on TJMK's part of the fundamental dynamics of the TWO Parallel Knox advocacy campaigns (where at least one of those campaigns completely disapproves of the other and will have nothing to do with it). Truly bizarre, considering the whole purpose of TJMK being created four years ago was to directly counter the misinformation spread daily by the Knox astroturfed advocacy campaign. We must be strict in correcting misfacts put out by the Knox Machine. But we must be TEN TIMES as strict in correcting any facts we ever get wrong and the moment we discover them. The foundation on which the whole credibility of our respective sites that give a voice to the victim - Meredith Kercher and her family - is TRUTH and justice, the minimum that is required by the victims and world society. If we lose the keystone of credibility, then we're useless to both.

And whilst I'm at it, Quennell can also a) quit the full-on bullying of anyone who posts anything on the respective Meredith sites that he doesn't like or that challenges him (Quennell does NOT own this case) and c) start proofreading his articles - or/and at the very least (and really, would it kill him?) employ a spell checker. Many of the best ones are free! Professional individuals and organisations are never going to regard a site as being professional and therefore credible, if many of its articles taking those professional individuals and organisations that have engaged in Knox advocacy masked as factual reporting, to task, when those articles are littered with sloppy spelling mistakes.

I've been biting my tongue for months. I can't, shan't, won't do that anymore. That will do, for the moment...


daisysteiner wrote:
...the smug "we're the authority" tone of TJMK is sometimes a bit much...


I agree with you both, Michael and daisy. I'm tired of reading Peter Quennell's categorical statements in his posts on TJMK and .org - he should really check his facts before posting them. He has falsely claimed that Luca Maori has left Sollecito's team and has never corrected or retracted that claim:

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Interestingly, Luca Maori has already left Sollecio’s [sic] legal team, and all eyes are now on Giulia Bongiorno.


TJMK

I don't support Burleigh in any way, but threatening her with "contempt of court" investigation sounds a bit like bullying, really. Let the quotes below speak for themselves.

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Nina Burleigh may be charged for being in contempt of court. Same basis as Sollecito may be charged.


TJMK

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Here is a review of her hapless book which is being examined on contempt of court grounds for falsely accusing officials of crimes. She could be charged. And the New York Times called Burleigh a PR shill.


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This is simply false. Where is her book being examined and by whom?

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One book is already being investigated by the chief prosecutor of Florence (the same one that will oversee the repeat appeal) for contempt of court in attempting to interfere with an ongoing legal process.
Sollecito and his team might face years in court and millions in awards - and Burleigh’s defamation-riddled The Fatal Gift Of Beauty which flatly accuses many Italian officials of crimes is already a candidate for a similar outcome.
Good luck with that one. She could be paying out for years.


TJMK

Quennell then goes on to say that Sollecito's defense team might be next in line for the contempt of court charges. I read it with my own eyes (can't find his post at the moment) on .org where he said that Giulia Bongiorno might be charged.

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At the end of last week, the Chief Prosecutor for Tuscany Giuseppe Quattrocchi received the first official request from Perugia, which is to investigate 12 very serious claims in the [Sollecito] book against the prosecution and the legal institutions of Italy.

The potential ripple effects of this appear to us to stretch on and on. They could come to engulf both legal teams (credited in the book with helping) and all of the PR for both defendants.
Complaints could be on their way about the rants of the Curt Knox campaign as well.


TJMK

We all get it that Quennell is in favor of contempt-of-court charges - he has been hung up on this issue for weeks, presenting his wishful thinking as true facts.

Peter Quennell wrote:
I am in favor of the pursuit of contempt-of-court charges and any lawsuits until the books finally stop flowing and some of the worst of the dishonest muck is removed from the internet. It simply wont go away of its own accord and it is damaging.


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Well, his sometimes imprecise reporting and tendency to seek revenge when wronged is also damaging. IMHO. It might be advisable to be a bit more restrained.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 6:21 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

“Burn Her at the Stake”

Amanda Knox was acquitted of murder. Why do so many people still hate her so much?

By Douglas Preston

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[PQ wouldn't want to sound like Preston, or would he?]
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 6:58 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

The writer who carried out an unprecedented vendetta against PM Mignini and gave the vicious Francesco Sforza a credibility that Candace Dempsey could never have achieved by herself complains about obsessed 'punishers'? I get it. The article is just a promo for his Kindle book.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 7:20 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

.....Riding on the coat-tails of......Leeching onto......basking in the reflected glow of the current publicity.....garnering future favors based upon his posted opinion....puffed-up, righteous indignation.....fake knowledge of facts.....personal vendetta. I could fill the page, but Preston has bored me already.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 1:42 am   Post subject: BLONDE HAIR   

When I was in Perugia, I was able to confirm from a source that it was indeed a blonde hair that was found clutched in Meredith's hand. The police photographed it then lost it later, hence the cover up and later assertions about how it was a 'fiber'. Here, see for your selves..

Also posted in the photo albums so you can find it in future. BLONDE HAIR


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 2:24 am   Post subject: KNOX-SCRATCH OR HICKEY?   

The scratch on Knox's throat, as mentioned in Massei and testified to in court. Now posted in the photo albums for easy access: KNOX-SCRATCH OR HICKEY?


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 2:24 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

I always get a bit frustrated when I see the hair pic. I mean, how can you lose it? And why wasn't the pic and testimony about the finding in evidence at least? I would think it is significant that they found a blondish hair. Could have been from RS also. His hair was a bit blondish, and of course shorter than AK's. This doesn't look like a very long hair. Anyway, even if they hadn't lost it, they still might not have been able to extract any DNA from it. That is not that easy.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 4:08 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Going through The Borsini-Belardi Motivations Report (RG's appeal) I came across an almost 'funny' passage. The one where RG doesn't flush because of 'the scream'.
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In addition, the version according to which, on hearing Meredith’s scream, he rushed out of the bathroom without even flushing, is however contradicted by the fact that he had enough time to clean himself, as shown by the toilet paper that was found.

http://borsinibellardi.wordpress.com/co ... -decision/

That would be amazing that in that one second where one goes from cleaning oneself to flushing, the scream occurred and then instead of quickly flushing and pulling his pants up we are supposed to believe that RG does not flush and hops out with his pants half down. Didn't happen.

Also in the report is the following mitigating circumstance:
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the proof that it was not he that held the knife that was compatible with the worst of the lesions

I wonder if this could be used by RS to distance himself (somewhat) from AK in the upcoming appeal trial. I don't really expect that this will happen but who knows.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 8:08 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

I can hardly ever find this website, let alone remember my user name.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMdkdfcvxXY

It's not quite like that never happened



So ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-aTdb7Bt6Q

It goes something like this ...
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 10:05 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

It can always get worse:

In new book, Amanda Knox says Italian prison workers and inmates tormented her sexually, even measuring her genitalia while she was behind bars
By Sherryl Connelly / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Saturday, April 20, 2013, 11:58 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... -1.1323164

"...
Knox describes being coerced into a confession. She recalls being stuffed into a small, narrow room with as many as eight cops at a time looming over her and shouting: “You need to remember! You’re lying! Stop lying!”
Policewoman Rita Ficarra, in charge of Perugia’s Flying Squad, was particularly aggressive, twice slapping Knox on the back of the head. When another cop told her that she faced 30 years in prison if she didn’t “help” their investigation, she caved.
Terrified, Knox says, she sobbed out the name of her boss at the bar where she worked, Congolese immigrant Patrick Lumumba (later cleared), while placing herself and her boyfriend, Raffaele Sollecito, at the scene.
Knox retracted the confession immediately, telling Ficarra she had likely imagined the acts she had confessed to. But the policewoman reassured her that the memories would come back.
...
She also protests that she and Kercher were never less than friendly. The British woman was “definitely more mainstream and demure than I’d ever be,” but Knox insists “we developed a comfortable familiarity in a short time . . . “I treated Meredith as my confidante. Meredith treated me with respect and a sense of humor.”
When the Kercher family entered the courtroom during the trial, her first thought was: “They think I’m a murderer. It was Meredith’s parents? I finally get to meet them.”
When she tried to catch their attention, they glared at her.
“I felt as if I’d been slapped,” she writes.
..."
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 10:28 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

max wrote:
I always get a bit frustrated when I see the hair pic. I mean, how can you lose it? And why wasn't the pic and testimony about the finding in evidence at least? I would think it is significant that they found a blondish hair. Could have been from RS also. His hair was a bit blondish, and of course shorter than AK's. This doesn't look like a very long hair. Anyway, even if they hadn't lost it, they still might not have been able to extract any DNA from it. That is not that easy.

Yes, frustrating. I don't think the hair is from RS though, it looks a bit curled in the picture, and short straight hair doesn't curl easily, afaik...
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 10:47 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

If a doctor examines my genitalia ok. I would be more embarrassed if that made it into the headlines of some newspaper :mrgreen:

Oh well, at least we will never hear again about the theory that RS spent the whole night on the computer keeping the screensaver 'alive'.

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She insists they were at home in bed stoned on pot the night Kercher was murdered. She was reading Harry Potter aloud to him from a German edition. Afterward they had sex and fell asleep.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 2:10 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

max wrote:
Going through The Borsini-Belardi Motivations Report (RG's appeal) I came across an almost 'funny' passage. The one where RG doesn't flush because of 'the scream'.
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In addition, the version according to which, on hearing Meredith’s scream, he rushed out of the bathroom without even flushing, is however contradicted by the fact that he had enough time to clean himself, as shown by the toilet paper that was found.

http://borsinibellardi.wordpress.com/co ... -decision/

That would be amazing that in that one second where one goes from cleaning oneself to flushing, the scream occurred and then instead of quickly flushing and pulling his pants up we are supposed to believe that RG does not flush and hops out with his pants half down. Didn't happen.

Also in the report is the following mitigating circumstance:
Quote:
the proof that it was not he that held the knife that was compatible with the worst of the lesions

I wonder if this could be used by RS to distance himself (somewhat) from AK in the upcoming appeal trial. I don't really expect that this will happen but who knows.


Thanks, max. For those who haven't read the Borsini-Belardi report, it's well worth it, for a deeper understanding of the case. If the court could determine

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It is therefore more reasonable to conclude that the defendant’s entrance into the girls’ apartment on Via della Pergola was with the help of Amanda Knox.


and

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Therefore it was the refusal and unexpected resistance of the victim, overwhelmed but not subdued, by minds already altered by the admitted (by Amanda) consumption of drugs in the throes of excitement, which triggered the murderous rage.


then that says it all. The fact it leads to the Giordano Motivations Report from Cassazione that names Knox and Sollecito as possible co-conspirators (and there are no other possibilities) only serves to beg the question, "what flavor of Kool Aid were her supporters drinking?"
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 3:48 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

OT OT, but I'm never lacking an opinion.

There are many debates on the handling of the horrific bombing in Boston, and whether or not the lockdown in Boston was entirely necessary. I say, "Job well done." As I see it, our government agencies not only locked down the terrorist, but in shutting down the entire city, they prevented any as yet unknown accomplices(if any) from getting to the wounded bomber to supply any aid, be it medical, financial or in the form of additional weaponry.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 4:16 pm   Post subject: WHAT WOULD A PARENT DO?   

max's question, as to whether Raffaele Sollecito would distance himself from Amanda Knox in the upcoming Appeals trial, also got me thinking about the role of the parents in all of this, and a question I raised before: what would a parent do? Many of us here are parents. How would we respond if our own child were to be accused of murder? Would we believe him or her, no matter what, and how would we respond? One thing I said way back then: a parent always knows when they are being lied to. At some level they know, even when they lie to themselves or to others.

So, having observed the parents at length over the course of these trials, their TV appearances, having watched Francesco Sollecito at length during the course of the day at Cassazione, I conclude: it is the parents who are driving their defenses, both legal and public. I'm sure you all know that, but here's my reading: Edda Mellas is going to fight to the last to defend Amanda, and Francesco Sollecito, Raffaele. They know their children are guilty, but will defend them. And for better or worse, they are joined together. Separating them now would lead to mutual incrimination.

Aside from that, funny how Raffaele flees to Switzerland, and Amanda's folk are looking into how any request for extradition will go?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 5:10 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Just in case Doug Preston is interested in the facts surrounding the involvement of Mrs. and later, Mr. Moore, here is a link in their own words.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/linkedloca ... 8/trend-on
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 5:31 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Sweet baby Jesus Napia, my ears! That was awful! Steve Moore is the only one not talking out of his nasal cavity. And every statement is, like, a question. They could be discussing the location of the holy grail and Shangri La and I'd have to turn it off after less than a minute.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 5:47 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Had an interesting half an hour cantering through the various "the police poked and measured my lady garden" articles all over today's press. Wow, is Knox the only woman to be strip searched by police and prison authorities? So tell me Amanda, how do they check you've not secreted a cheeky half an ounce of Moroccan hash with papers and baccy without checking there? Or are they just supposed to take your word for it? Despite the decent food and activities, did Knox really expect arriving at Capanne to be like checking into a hotel? She's damn lucky they didn't do that every single time she walked in and out of the prison - that's what happens at other maximum security prisons. Considering they took her to court with no cuffs and cut Knox untold amount of slack in prison, what does Knox hope to achieve from this book and these accusations? If it all goes tits up and she gets deported back to Italy, her first four years will seem like a holiday camp in comparison. I know a couple of prison guards here in sunny Yorkshire. No rules/human rights get broken but they ensure it's a much less fun experience inside for the whiners than it is for those that shut up, heads down and get on with their time.

Has anyone else noticed a shift in press comments after the acquittal was quashed? I'm struggling to find a single person that doesn't think Knox is cashing in on Meredith's death in the worst of ways. The backlash against this book could be quite something. It certainly won't sell well outside of America...not me doing a TJMK, an informed opinion gained and based on press comments ;)
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 6:30 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Hi, daisy. Sorry for the sound 'bites' above, but there it is, in their own words.

As far as the articles that I've read, I saw much more skepticism this time around. And many more reasoned posters. Tough road ahead for them, and they are not helping their cause with any of the books, IMO.

All of the sneak previews of the book seem to have some sexual component to them. Big surprise. I would think that a strip search is a humiliating experience for almost anyone. I get the picture. I don't think it's necessary to give a step-by-step account of the experience, but I'm not trying to sell a book, so what do I know? I personally would have said that the strip search was a humiliating experience and left it at that.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 7:43 pm   Post subject: Size Matters?!   

Ava wrote:
It can always get worse:

In new book, Amanda Knox says Italian prison workers and inmates tormented her sexually, even measuring her genitalia while she was behind bars
By Sherryl Connelly / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS


I may be setting myself up for tremendous embarrassment here but help me out ladies; in what way does someone go about measuring female genitalia? I've never heard of such a thing being done and I can't imagine what points of reference one might use to normalize such measurements in a way that would make actual numbers meaningful.

As a side note, the website of the artist who constructed the "Great Wall of Vagina" (some pages Not Safe For Work) provides valuable insight into the widely varying topography of female genitalia which, to my mind, makes the idea of meaningful measurement absurd. (Personal side note: I think that was a wonderful project for all the right reasons.)

Am I missing something or is Knox blowing smoke?

[Edited to change link to artist's page]


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 7:52 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Napia5 wrote:
OT OT, but I'm never lacking an opinion.

There are many debates on the handling of the horrific bombing in Boston, and whether or not the lockdown in Boston was entirely necessary. I say, "Job well done." As I see it, our government agencies not only locked down the terrorist, but in shutting down the entire city, they prevented any as yet unknown accomplices(if any) from getting to the wounded bomber to supply any aid, be it medical, financial or in the form of additional weaponry.


Totally agree Napia. It's easy to look back in hindsight and criticize certain choices that were made based on what we now know, but even with hindsight I think the lockdown was the right choice. There were many variables in play while that manhunt was underway and I don't blame law enforcement for eliminating some variables that might work in the criminal's favor.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 8:47 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

daisysteiner wrote:
Had an interesting half an hour cantering through the various "the police poked and measured my lady garden" articles all over today's press. Wow, is Knox the only woman to be strip searched by police and prison authorities? So tell me Amanda, how do they check you've not secreted a cheeky half an ounce of Moroccan hash with papers and baccy without checking there? Or are they just supposed to take your word for it? Despite the decent food and activities, did Knox really expect arriving at Capanne to be like checking into a hotel? She's damn lucky they didn't do that every single time she walked in and out of the prison - that's what happens at other maximum security prisons. Considering they took her to court with no cuffs and cut Knox untold amount of slack in prison, what does Knox hope to achieve from this book and these accusations? If it all goes tits up and she gets deported back to Italy, her first four years will seem like a holiday camp in comparison. I know a couple of prison guards here in sunny Yorkshire. No rules/human rights get broken but they ensure it's a much less fun experience inside for the whiners than it is for those that shut up, heads down and get on with their time.

Has anyone else noticed a shift in press comments after the acquittal was quashed? I'm struggling to find a single person that doesn't think Knox is cashing in on Meredith's death in the worst of ways. The backlash against this book could be quite something. It certainly won't sell well outside of America...not me doing a TJMK, an informed opinion gained and based on press comments ;)


I happen to know an inmate at the California Institution for Women and you are right on the money. Not only do visitors have to pass through a screening process that makes airport security look lax by comparison, but every inmate is strip searched after each visit. Visitors are not allowed to bring anything into the institution. Not so much as a stick of gum, a hat, or even sunglasses much less some luxury item like an iPod (inmates can't have MP3 players at C.I.W.).

All personal items an inmate possesses have to be purchased through the institution's canteen (typically snacks and sundries) or ordered through an approved prison vendor (clothes, musical instruments etc.). Orders can be placed only once per quarter and most items are low quality and/or overpriced compared to what's available on the open market. There are other peculiarities like the appliances have to be made with clear plastic (e.g. clear radios, clocks).

Knox has no idea how well she had it where she was.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 9:21 pm   Post subject: Thanks Ergon   

While I'm online I might as well add my voice to those praising Ergon for his posts on his travels in Italy. You really did a great job with the narrative and images Ergon. It provided a valuable and unique perspective on the people, places, and events. Thanks.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 9:57 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

daisysteiner wrote:
Had an interesting half an hour cantering through the various "the police poked and measured my lady garden" articles all over today's press. Wow, is Knox the only woman to be strip searched by police and prison authorities? So tell me Amanda, how do they check you've not secreted a cheeky half an ounce of Moroccan hash with papers and baccy without checking there? Or are they just supposed to take your word for it? Despite the decent food and activities, did Knox really expect arriving at Capanne to be like checking into a hotel? She's damn lucky they didn't do that every single time she walked in and out of the prison - that's what happens at other maximum security prisons. Considering they took her to court with no cuffs and cut Knox untold amount of slack in prison, what does Knox hope to achieve from this book and these accusations? If it all goes tits up and she gets deported back to Italy, her first four years will seem like a holiday camp in comparison. I know a couple of prison guards here in sunny Yorkshire. No rules/human rights get broken but they ensure it's a much less fun experience inside for the whiners than it is for those that shut up, heads down and get on with their time.

Has anyone else noticed a shift in press comments after the acquittal was quashed? I'm struggling to find a single person that doesn't think Knox is cashing in on Meredith's death in the worst of ways. The backlash against this book could be quite something. It certainly won't sell well outside of America...not me doing a TJMK, an informed opinion gained and based on press comments ;)

"lady garden"? I am laughing so hard, I can barely type. A strip search is used to find 'hidden' contraband. Officers do not touch the accused, but have them bend over, cough and direct the prisoner to use their own hands to make viewing easier. Sorry. So embarrassed....An exam is different, the Dr does all the touching and whatnot. I have NEVER heard of someones "lady garden"(snicker) being measured during a security check. I do not believe she was subjected to hours of intrusion. I just do not believe it. Did not happen.
But on the subject of the advances poor Amanda suffered, I would like to know why her people think it is so horrible? Some of them think rape is no big deal...

Yes, I have noticed a shift in tone after the acquittal was overturned. I have noticed many comments about sweet Meredith and her family...and how they are thinking of the Kerchers well being. Barf.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 10:00 pm   Post subject: Re: Size Matters?!   

Itchy Brother wrote:
Ava wrote:
It can always get worse:

In new book, Amanda Knox says Italian prison workers and inmates tormented her sexually, even measuring her genitalia while she was behind bars
By Sherryl Connelly / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS


I may be setting myself up for tremendous embarrassment here but help me out ladies; in what way does someone go about measuring female genitalia? I've never heard of such a thing being done and I can't imagine what points of reference one might use to normalize such measurements in a way that would make actual numbers meaningful.

As a side note, the website of the artist who constructed the "Great Wall of Vagina" (some pages Not Safe For Work) provides valuable insight into the widely varying topography of female genitalia which, to my mind, makes the idea of meaningful measurement absurd. (Personal side note: I think that was a wonderful project for all the right reasons.)

Am I missing something or is Knox blowing smoke?

[Edited to change link to artist's page]

Yes, Amanda is blowing smoke out of her "lady garden". Har..guffaw..snicker
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 10:54 pm   Post subject: Re: Size Matters?!   

Itchy Brother wrote:
Ava wrote:
It can always get worse:

In new book, Amanda Knox says Italian prison workers and inmates tormented her sexually, even measuring her genitalia while she was behind bars
By Sherryl Connelly / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS


I may be setting myself up for tremendous embarrassment here but help me out ladies; in what way does someone go about measuring female genitalia? I've never heard of such a thing being done and I can't imagine what points of reference one might use to normalize such measurements in a way that would make actual numbers meaningful.

As a side note, the website of the artist who constructed the "Great Wall of Vagina" (some pages Not Safe For Work) provides valuable insight into the widely varying topography of female genitalia which, to my mind, makes the idea of meaningful measurement absurd. (Personal side note: I think that was a wonderful project for all the right reasons.)

Am I missing something or is Knox blowing smoke?

[Edited to change link to artist's page]



Mandy's Muff Measurement System complete with intake measurements.
I've never heard of a measurement system, but there's probably a reason she's making such a 'huge flap' about it.


One more reason not to buy her immoral, vulgar book.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 12:03 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

I wonder how Knox will feel if she gives an interview one day discussing this very thing, and someone says to her, "Shit happens." Will the Groupies start shouting about how insensitive this comment is?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 12:10 am   Post subject: Re: Size Matters?!   

louiehaha wrote:
Itchy Brother wrote:
Ava wrote:
It can always get worse:

In new book, Amanda Knox says Italian prison workers and inmates tormented her sexually, even measuring her genitalia while she was behind bars
By Sherryl Connelly / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS


I may be setting myself up for tremendous embarrassment here but help me out ladies; in what way does someone go about measuring female genitalia? I've never heard of such a thing being done and I can't imagine what points of reference one might use to normalize such measurements in a way that would make actual numbers meaningful.

As a side note, the website of the artist who constructed the "Great Wall of Vagina" (some pages Not Safe For Work) provides valuable insight into the widely varying topography of female genitalia which, to my mind, makes the idea of meaningful measurement absurd. (Personal side note: I think that was a wonderful project for all the right reasons.)

Am I missing something or is Knox blowing smoke?

[Edited to change link to artist's page]



Mandy's Muff Measurement System complete with intake measurements.
I've never heard of a measurement system, but there's probably a reason she's making such a 'huge flap' about it.


One more reason not to buy her immoral, vulgar book.


Just when I thought Amanda Knox's trial was losing the low ground to the 'Jodi's Areas' trial!


PS Speaking of Jodi Arias, have you seen the latest on the furrier's site? A Knox Groupie is now claiming that Jodi should be acquitted because the police never explored the possibility that Travis Alexander might have slit his own throat from ear to ear! (LOL You can't make this **** up!)

Behold the analytical brilliance of Team Knox!
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 1:32 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Another book review of Knox's book in the New York Times, second in a week.

Tales From the Prison of International Notoriety
Amanda Knox’s Memoir, ‘Waiting to Be Heard’

By Michico Kakutani

Like her co-accused, Knox comes up with most asinine excuses for her odd behavior and has no problem giving "reasons" for all her screw-ups after Meredith's murder:

Along the way Ms. Knox argues that the couple of flings she’d had with men in Italy — which detractors seized on to underscore an image of her as a dangerous femme fatale — were simply her attempts to be more grown-up and comfortable with the casual sex other members of her generation practiced. Regarding assertions that she acted inappropriately after her housemate’s murder, Ms. Knox acknowledges that she did behave somewhat oddly: for instance, when she went with the police to the crime scene and put on protective bootees and gloves, she sang out “Ta-dah” and thrust out her arms “like the lead in a musical.” It was an attempt, she writes, “to ease the tension for myself, because this was so surreal and terrifying.”


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 2:05 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

It's not going to take me much longer to become totally sick of this entire crappy book presentation.
For someone who had exactly zero empathy for Meredith after her horrible murder, showed no sense of understanding at all of exceptable norms for behavior during the week after the death, she sure knows how to try to elicit these emotions for herself. As zorba says, talk to the hand.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 4:44 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

HarperCollins believes in protecting its exclusive rights:

Publicity Update: Waiting to Be Heard – Amanda Knox

The NYT has broken our embargo on the Amanda Knox’s memoir, Waiting to Be Heard (9780062217202). Please note that this remains embargoed and copies may not be sold before the 4/30/13 on sale date.

We have significant publicity for this, starting with a Diane Sawyer ABC TV special on 4/30. It will also be featured across all ABC News broadcasts and platforms including World News with Diane Sawyer, Good Morning America, and Nightline as well as ABCNews.com, Yahoo!, ABC News Radio, and ABC’s local affiliates. Additionally, the book will be featured on the cover of the Life section in USA Today on 4/30, have a four-page feature in People, and be the lead review in Entertainment Weekly, with more to come.


HARPER / BOOKSELLING
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 9:04 am   Post subject: Re: Size Matters?!   

Itchy Brother wrote:
Ava wrote:
It can always get worse:

In new book, Amanda Knox says Italian prison workers and inmates tormented her sexually, even measuring her genitalia while she was behind bars
By Sherryl Connelly / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS


I may be setting myself up for tremendous embarrassment here but help me out ladies; in what way does someone go about measuring female genitalia? I've never heard of such a thing being done and I can't imagine what points of reference one might use to normalize such measurements in a way that would make actual numbers meaningful.

As a side note, the website of the artist who constructed the "Great Wall of Vagina" (some pages Not Safe For Work) provides valuable insight into the widely varying topography of female genitalia which, to my mind, makes the idea of meaningful measurement absurd. (Personal side note: I think that was a wonderful project for all the right reasons.)

Am I missing something or is Knox blowing smoke?

[Edited to change link to artist's page]


Cheers for the link with some interesting looks there :)

In all my years of being a woman (which makes me sound like I was once something else haha!), I've never heard of fanny measurements (that's a British fanny kids, different to an American one!) being taken anywhere ever except by those looking to smuggle drugs but then surely its a rough estimate rather than a scientific calculation with pens etc.

Or maybe...and I'm out on a limb here, all of this is a load of fucking lies from the Mistress of Lies herself which is why she can't get her book released outside the USA? Maybe she thinks painting Capanne to be the Black Hole of Calcutta will some how save her from extradition. I didn't realise that the DoJ or whoever will approve shipping Lady Knox back to Italy would be so easily swayed. She should have phoned Samantha Orobator to find out what a shit prison really looks like, you know so she could get the details right.

I'm running out of tosses to give about this book, I really am. If anyone knows how to get the Italian legal system moving, I'd appreciate it as I'm starting to wonder how much of this I can bear (along with bombings and weirdness all around the world) before I just cut of the internet and return to blissful ignorance.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 9:07 am   Post subject: Re: Size Matters?!   

tamale wrote:
Itchy Brother wrote:
Ava wrote:
It can always get worse:

In new book, Amanda Knox says Italian prison workers and inmates tormented her sexually, even measuring her genitalia while she was behind bars
By Sherryl Connelly / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS


I may be setting myself up for tremendous embarrassment here but help me out ladies; in what way does someone go about measuring female genitalia? I've never heard of such a thing being done and I can't imagine what points of reference one might use to normalize such measurements in a way that would make actual numbers meaningful.

As a side note, the website of the artist who constructed the "Great Wall of Vagina" (some pages Not Safe For Work) provides valuable insight into the widely varying topography of female genitalia which, to my mind, makes the idea of meaningful measurement absurd. (Personal side note: I think that was a wonderful project for all the right reasons.)

Am I missing something or is Knox blowing smoke?

[Edited to change link to artist's page]

Yes, Amanda is blowing smoke out of her "lady garden". Har..guffaw..snicker


I'm British and our ingrained politeness means saying vagina is like a hanging offence so we have more words for it than eskimo's have words for snow. Just don't ever tell a Brit to sit on their fanny as you'll be likely to get a smack in the mouth ;)
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 9:24 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

guermantes wrote:
HarperCollins believes in protecting its exclusive rights:

Publicity Update: Waiting to Be Heard – Amanda Knox

The NYT has broken our embargo on the Amanda Knox’s memoir, Waiting to Be Heard (9780062217202). Please note that this remains embargoed and copies may not be sold before the 4/30/13 on sale date.

We have significant publicity for this, starting with a Diane Sawyer ABC TV special on 4/30. It will also be featured across all ABC News broadcasts and platforms including World News with Diane Sawyer, Good Morning America, and Nightline as well as ABCNews.com, Yahoo!, ABC News Radio, and ABC’s local affiliates. Additionally, the book will be featured on the cover of the Life section in USA Today on 4/30, have a four-page feature in People, and be the lead review in Entertainment Weekly, with more to come.


HARPER / BOOKSELLING



Hahaha! They think they have problems now? Just wait until 30 April when the world who still actually can muster a care about Knox torrents the book instead of buying it! To the Pirate Bay, arrrrr!

Lots of coffee this morning. Sorry! Yay-) I feel like this little fella.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 9:25 am   Post subject: Re: Thanks Ergon   

Itchy Brother wrote:
While I'm online I might as well add my voice to those praising Ergon for his posts on his travels in Italy. You really did a great job with the narrative and images Ergon. It provided a valuable and unique perspective on the people, places, and events. Thanks.


Seconded! Been meaning to say the same but too much to comment on :) Cheers Ergon x
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 12:00 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

New headline for the NYDN article:
What they did to Amanda Knox
BY SHERRYL CONNELLY
April 22, 2013 6:03 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/pagevi ... manda-knox


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Meredith Kercher murder accused Amada Knox wants to ‘set record straight’
Monday, April 22, 2013 9:29 AM
http://www.london24.com/news/meredith_k ... _1_2162016

"...
According to the memoir, the police interrogated her for hours and would slap her on the back of her head.
Miss Knox made the claims in spite of the fact that the Italian police are taking legal action against her parents for making similar allegations.
..."
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 1:02 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

guermantes wrote:
HarperCollins believes in protecting its exclusive rights:

Publicity Update: Waiting to Be Heard – Amanda Knox

The NYT has broken our embargo on the Amanda Knox’s memoir, Waiting to Be Heard (9780062217202). Please note that this remains embargoed and copies may not be sold before the 4/30/13 on sale date.

We have significant publicity for this, starting with a Diane Sawyer ABC TV special on 4/30. It will also be featured across all ABC News broadcasts and platforms including World News with Diane Sawyer, Good Morning America, and Nightline as well as ABCNews.com, Yahoo!, ABC News Radio, and ABC’s local affiliates. Additionally, the book will be featured on the cover of the Life section in USA Today on 4/30, have a four-page feature in People, and be the lead review in Entertainment Weekly, with more to come.


HARPER / BOOKSELLING


I suppose their next step will be action figures.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 1:03 pm   Post subject: THANK YOU.   

Thanks again for your comments, every one. Sadly, my two aunts whom I heard from when I returned from Rome being in their final stages of cancer both passed away within hours of each other Saturday night and Sunday morning, one in Pakistan and the other in the UK. We had a strange snowstorm (for April) that came from out of nowhere, with flurries that limited visibility to 10 meters. Then this, the day after one of the Boston bombers was shot and the other apprehended. It reminded me of my trip to Perugia, and the Etruscan culture of death and fascination with the afterlife there. It reminds me, again, about how we need to celebrate life, and, in honoring the spirit of Meredith Kercher, we see her as not dead, not a victim, but very much alive in what she did with her life, how she lived it, and affected the people that cared for her.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 1:18 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

I'm much more interested is seeing Diane Sawyer's demeanor during the interview. There are fair,neutral questions to be asked. I have always admired Sawyer, and considered her a fair, intelligent, hard-hitting journalist. It is my understanding that she is heading rapidly toward retirement. How will she end her career?

I'm not asking that Sawyer grab Knox by the shoulders and try to shake any information from her. She has a job to do.
The question is: will she do it fairly?

I have wondered lately why Elizabeth Vargas wasn't given the interview. Will it be because Sawyer is retiring anyway, and will be left as a has-been holding the bag if this blows up in her face? Has Vargas actually dodged a bullet?

All one can ask is that Sawyer maintain her journalistic integrity and ask some tough questions. Or, is that expecting too much?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 1:21 pm   Post subject: Re: THANK YOU.   

Ergon wrote:
Thanks again for your comments, every one. Sadly, my two aunts whom I heard from when I returned from Rome being in their final stages of cancer both passed away within hours of each other Saturday night and Sunday morning, one in Pakistan and the other in the UK. We had a strange snowstorm (for April) that came from out of nowhere, with flurries that limited visibility to 10 meters. Then this, the day after one of the Boston bombers was shot and the other apprehended. It reminded me of my trip to Perugia, and the Etruscan culture of death and fascination with the afterlife there. It reminds me, again, about how we need to celebrate life, and, in honoring the spirit of Meredith Kercher, we see her as not dead, not a victim, but very much alive in what she did with her life, how she lived it, and affected the people that cared for her.


Warm thoughts to you and your family today, Ergon. So sorry to hear of the passing of your loved ones.
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My condolences to you and your family, Ergon. :(
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 3:07 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Stop al rilascio scriteriato di permessi B
Svizzera | 22 aprile 2013 - 08:53
http://www.mattinonline.ch/stop-al-rila ... ermessi-b/

(google trans)

"PERMITS B - After the case Sollecito, the National Councillor Lorenzo Quadri asks the Federal Council to say stop to the reckless release of B permits
The case of the B permit issued to Raffaele Sollecito, in spite of the latter is under investigation in Italy together with Amanda Knox for the murder of British student Meredith Kercher, arrived in Bern.
...
National Councillor League Lorenzo Quadri submitted to regard a motion to the Federal Council.
"It 'a matter of public safety - said the deputy - it is clear, and the case Sollecito shows, that the freedom of movement of persons B permits are issued without any control. The Security Council itself admits he does not know, because of this situation, many foreign suspects, even for serious crimes, are undisturbed on our territory. It 'obvious that this situation is unacceptable, yet another gift of free movement of persons supported by all political forces except by the League, must cease. "
..."
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 3:21 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Ava wrote:
Stop al rilascio scriteriato di permessi B
Svizzera | 22 aprile 2013 - 08:53
http://www.mattinonline.ch/stop-al-rila ... ermessi-b/

(google trans)

"PERMITS B - After the case Sollecito, the National Councillor Lorenzo Quadri asks the Federal Council to say stop to the reckless release of B permits
The case of the B permit issued to Raffaele Sollecito, in spite of the latter is under investigation in Italy together with Amanda Knox for the murder of British student Meredith Kercher, arrived in Bern.
...
National Councillor League Lorenzo Quadri submitted to regard a motion to the Federal Council.
"It 'a matter of public safety - said the deputy - it is clear, and the case Sollecito shows, that the freedom of movement of persons B permits are issued without any control. The Security Council itself admits he does not know, because of this situation, many foreign suspects, even for serious crimes, are undisturbed on our territory. It 'obvious that this situation is unacceptable, yet another gift of free movement of persons supported by all political forces except by the League, must cease. "
..."


Makes me wonder if Sawyer is going to dedicate any portion of the interview to Sollecito's current legal troubles. Will Knox be "Honor Bound" to stand up for him also?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 4:31 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Book Buzz: What's in Amanda Knox's tell-all?
By Lindsay Deutsch

Early Knox review:The New York Times reviews the Amanda Knox tell-all Waiting To Be Heard, a week before its scheduled release date on April 30. "She emerges from these pages... as a naive, impetuous, somewhat quirky girl," Michiko Kakutani writes of the memoir, which "is not only an effort to make a case for her innocence but it's also a kind of bildungsroman." Fascinated by the true-crime story? The Times has also run a first-read of highlights from the book by Knox, whose story captured media attention when she was accused of killing her roommate while they were studying abroad in Perugia, Italy.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 4:39 pm   Post subject: Re: Size Matters?!   

daisysteiner wrote:
tamale wrote:
Itchy Brother wrote:
Ava wrote:
It can always get worse:

In new book, Amanda Knox says Italian prison workers and inmates tormented her sexually, even measuring her genitalia while she was behind bars
By Sherryl Connelly / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS


I may be setting myself up for tremendous embarrassment here but help me out ladies; in what way does someone go about measuring female genitalia? I've never heard of such a thing being done and I can't imagine what points of reference one might use to normalize such measurements in a way that would make actual numbers meaningful.

As a side note, the website of the artist who constructed the "Great Wall of Vagina" (some pages Not Safe For Work) provides valuable insight into the widely varying topography of female genitalia which, to my mind, makes the idea of meaningful measurement absurd. (Personal side note: I think that was a wonderful project for all the right reasons.)

Am I missing something or is Knox blowing smoke?

[Edited to change link to artist's page]

Yes, Amanda is blowing smoke out of her "lady garden". Har..guffaw..snicker


I'm British and our ingrained politeness means saying vagina is like a hanging offence so we have more words for it than eskimo's have words for snow. Just don't ever tell a Brit to sit on their fanny as you'll be likely to get a smack in the mouth ;)


Golly, daisy, what must you think when we strap on our fanny-packs? hbc)
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 5:26 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Gee...Ergon. I am sending condolences.

I would like to put the Marijuana/memory myth to rest. I live in Hawaii...which is the pot growing capital of the world. I see hippies and surfers smoke day and night. I see the tourist try it to complete their vacation experience. I see farmers and librarians do it. NEVER...NEVER have I heard someone say they were so stoned they forgot entire blocks of time. Marijuana does not affect people like that. Of course, smoking all the time can cause the short term memory to fault. An example of this would be, 'where did I put my keys'? Or, 'What did you say your name is'? Saying something like 'I was confused (all night) because I smoked a spinello', is a lie they get away with because many people do not have experience with Marijuana. Saying "I can't remember if Amanda was beside me in bed because I was stoned" does not ring true.

Taking something stronger may have that effect, say ecxtasy (sp) or Cocaine for example. LSD can also do that. In fact those heavy drugs can lead to things like, frenzied murder, assault because they can cause psychosis (short or long term). Marijuana/hashish does not create the confusion the accused claim. When I attended University, I saw people ace their finals while stoned.

I was struck by the photo of AK/RS outside the cottage the next morning, and I thought to myself Amanda looks like she has been up all night tripping on something. That was my very first thought.

Thank you.
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NYT Breaks Embargo on Amanda Knox Book

Diane Sawyer was supposed to have the first word on Amanda Knox’s memoir, Waiting to Be Heard (Harper; HarperLuxe, HarperAudio), in an interview with the author on April 30, the book’s publication date. Instead, the NYT‘s publishing reporter, Julie Bosman got it first, breaking the embargo with a story on Friday.
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Holds are heavy in many libraries.


EARLY WORD

I admit that I put a hold request in for it at a local library. sun-) I'm 12th in the queue (15 copies are on order.)

As a work of 'fiction' it might be fascinating. ;) As a memoir, I expect it to be just depressing: ultimately over half of this book will be paragraphs and paragraphs devoted to re-hashing of her self-defense and her 'abuse' in jail. Some newspapers/book reviewers call her book "Amanda Knox Sexual Abuse Prison Memoir" (HuffPo.) That book is full of trash and too long; no way in living day lights is an average reader going to stick with it through all ~500 pages. Not everyone has the time for it; I know for sure that it will try my patience. Look at the thickness!

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Again, I apologize for my 'lady garden' comments. I was not trying to be rude, it just hit my funny bone.
Amandas exam was no doubt traumatic. I object to the timing tho...I am of the opinion it is sensationalized for book sales.
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tamale wrote:
Again, I apologize for my 'lady garden' comments. I was not trying to be rude, it just hit my funny bone.
Amandas exam was no doubt traumatic. I object to the timing tho...I am of the opinion it is sensationalized for book sales.


No apologies necessary, IMO. I knew exactly why it struck you as funny. I laughed too. That's daisy for you. Right to the point.

As far as your perception of the picture outside the cottage is concerned, I thought, when I first saw it, that these two people had shampooed with a BAR of soap instead of shampoo, if washing had occurred. Same lackluster look I see when I use a bar on the grandkids when the shampoo has been poured into the tub for bubbles.

ETA: I don't believe anyone was laughing at Knox's circumstances. It was daisy's turn of phrase that was so amusing.
I'd like to say that I laughed my fanny off, but now I see that that phrase will open another kettle of fish!
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And, on that note, I would like to add: If she, or anyone for that matter, has experienced psycho-sexual trauma this intense, seek some form of therapy. It helps. Regardless what your father says.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 6:24 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

New York Times on Knox’s memoir: Not much there

You’ll read and hear a lot about Seattle’s Amanda Knox in the next week or so.
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The New York Times reviews her book and finds it lacking.
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The Times decides that the book makes her out not to be hero or villain. Mostly a victim.


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Sorry to hear about your loss, Ergon. My heartfelt condolences.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 6:52 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

tamale wrote:
Gee...Ergon. I am sending condolences.

I would like to put the Marijuana/memory myth to rest. I live in Hawaii...which is the pot growing capital of the world. I see hippies and surfers smoke day and night. I see the tourist try it to complete their vacation experience. I see farmers and librarians do it. NEVER...NEVER have I heard someone say they were so stoned they forgot entire blocks of time. Marijuana does not affect people like that. Of course, smoking all the time can cause the short term memory to fault. An example of this would be, 'where did I put my keys'? Or, 'What did you say your name is'? Saying something like 'I was confused (all night) because I smoked a spinello', is a lie they get away with because many people do not have experience with Marijuana. Saying "I can't remember if Amanda was beside me in bed because I was stoned" does not ring true.

Taking something stronger may have that effect, say ecxtasy (sp) or Cocaine for example. LSD can also do that. In fact those heavy drugs can lead to things like, frenzied murder, assault because they can cause psychosis (short or long term). Marijuana/hashish does not create the confusion the accused claim. When I attended University, I saw people ace their finals while stoned.

I was struck by the photo of AK/RS outside the cottage the next morning, and I thought to myself Amanda looks like she has been up all night tripping on something. That was my very first thought.

Thank you.


Now, now, tamale, every one knows that Canada's own B.C. province is the pot growing capital of the world. As nobody and their priest know so well :)
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Stop al rilascio scriteriato di permessi B
Svizzera | 22 aprile 2013 - 08:53
http://www.mattinonline.ch/stop-al-rila ... ermessi-b/

(google trans)

"PERMITS B - After the case Sollecito, the National Councillor Lorenzo Quadri asks the Federal Council to say stop to the reckless release of B permits
The case of the B permit issued to Raffaele Sollecito, in spite of the latter is under investigation in Italy together with Amanda Knox for the murder of British student Meredith Kercher, arrived in Bern.
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National Councillor League Lorenzo Quadri submitted to regard a motion to the Federal Council.
"It 'a matter of public safety - said the deputy - it is clear, and the case Sollecito shows, that the freedom of movement of persons B permits are issued without any control. The Security Council itself admits he does not know, because of this situation, many foreign suspects, even for serious crimes, are undisturbed on our territory. It 'obvious that this situation is unacceptable, yet another gift of free movement of persons supported by all political forces except by the League, must cease. "
..."


Makes me wonder if Sawyer is going to dedicate any portion of the interview to Sollecito's current legal troubles. Will Knox be "Honor Bound" to stand up for him also?


I'm not sure either of them is really interested in Raffaele and/or Switzerland's permit B problems...it would also depend on how long ago the interview was recorded.


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guermantes wrote:
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As a work of 'fiction' it might be fascinating. ;)
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Never miss a good bildungsroman! :)
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re: knox book

can we try to limit discussion of it? Irrelevant garbage. Murder profiteering. As with Sfarzo

depressing. and as based on no fact, boring

cover the case -- get to the bottom of the case - info info info ... coverage of the activties knox and people surrounding her currently, is irrelevance.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 11:52 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Ergon wrote:
tamale wrote:
Gee...Ergon. I am sending condolences.

I would like to put the Marijuana/memory myth to rest. I live in Hawaii...which is the pot growing capital of the world. I see hippies and surfers smoke day and night. I see the tourist try it to complete their vacation experience. I see farmers and librarians do it. NEVER...NEVER have I heard someone say they were so stoned they forgot entire blocks of time. Marijuana does not affect people like that. Of course, smoking all the time can cause the short term memory to fault. An example of this would be, 'where did I put my keys'? Or, 'What did you say your name is'? Saying something like 'I was confused (all night) because I smoked a spinello', is a lie they get away with because many people do not have experience with Marijuana. Saying "I can't remember if Amanda was beside me in bed because I was stoned" does not ring true.

Taking something stronger may have that effect, say ecxtasy (sp) or Cocaine for example. LSD can also do that. In fact those heavy drugs can lead to things like, frenzied murder, assault because they can cause psychosis (short or long term). Marijuana/hashish does not create the confusion the accused claim. When I attended University, I saw people ace their finals while stoned.

I was struck by the photo of AK/RS outside the cottage the next morning, and I thought to myself Amanda looks like she has been up all night tripping on something. That was my very first thought.

Thank you.


Now, now, tamale, every one knows that Canada's own B.C. province is the pot growing capital of the world. As nobody and their priest know so well :)

Now, now, Ergon, everybody knows BC is the Screech capital of the world...let's keep our substances straight. Wink.
I am a sassy brat today.
I just heard about the foiled subway attack in Toronto...

What would happen if somebody bought Amandas book and put it on the web?? Is that illegal?? I can't do it because I am not computer cool...I was just wondering how that would affect book sales.
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ttrroonniicc wrote:
re: knox book

can we try to limit discussion of it? Irrelevant garbage. Murder profiteering. As with Sfarzo

depressing. and as based on no fact, boring

cover the case -- get to the bottom of the case - info info info ... coverage of the activties knox and people surrounding her currently, is irrelevance.


Hi, tron. I know how you feel. Diane Sawyer can very easily get to the bottom of the case by showing how easy it is to climb into the cottage window without leaving a trace anywhere. Perhaps she'll end the interview with a clip of herself trying it.
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Hi all...

Sincere condolences, Ergon. r-(( r-((

Thanks so much also for your wonderful post. And all the posts that I missed. Loved the FBI vid that Troon posted...and laughed out loud at Michael's * cracking * good read..and Daisy's Lady Garden. I believe I hooted there :)

Uffa. I just know this. For the next couple of weeks..I will have to go to the gym..only to use the punching bag..to get rid of my anger at this publicity for Knox. It really makes me seethe.

Naps..I like Diane Sawyer as I have mentioned. But..in saying that...she's still a hired gun..and will be made to feel the responsibility of her network..who have pussied ( sorry) up the Knox/Mellas club..and who have quite a few things riding on an interview that makes Knox seem * WRONGED *.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 1:43 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

tamale wrote:

What would happen if somebody bought Amandas book and put it on the web?? Is that illegal?? I can't do it because I am not computer cool...I was just wondering how that would affect book sales.


Copying a large portion of a book would be a copyright infringement, Bettina. Not that I think anyone might want to read hundreds of pages of La Knox. Nor do I expect Diane Sawyer to do anything else but whitewash, sorry.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 10:32 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Hi Ergon

Sorry to hear of your recent family news. Stay strong m’dear x

Hey Tamale

Sorry that I got you into trouble with lady garden but I just wanted to use a word that brought a bit of levity to the situation. To be clear, I was mocking the fact that Princess found what happened as strange when it happens every day and all over the world. I’m sure it’s not a fun experience but I would expect it if I was imprisoned. I very much doubt they were measuring her. The tone of Knox’s comments should be mocked as its all to portray her as the poor victim. As I read further down this page to the NY times reviews, the book seems to be 499 pages of poor little ol’ me and 1 page of “oh yeah, that British chick”

Also Tamale, torrenting is very illegal and you definitely shouldn’t be the one to scan and upload Knox’s book to the net especially if you are on an “open” internet connection...anyway that’s what the internet has Anonymous for, they do that stuff so you don’t have to haha!. I have absolutely no intention of buying the book nor borrowing it from the library so there’s no revenue lost here whatever I choose to do. My post up thread is a genuine reaction that I’ve had from people I know insofar as the thought of giving Knox or Sollecito money via the book or any other means is totally abhorrent regardless of their feelings of innocence or guilt. My highly unscientific group of friends/colleagues did say though that they would treat it like any bit of salacious gossip – skip to the juicy stuff (bloke on train etc), mock her attempts to say where she was that night, discuss in the tea break, then move on and never talk of it again because to most people, it just isn’t important and Knox is just another Casey Anthony/Jodi Arias etc who tries to play the poor little girl lost card to get away with murder.

Also T, your comments regarding marijuana are spot on too. Anyone who’s ever smoked in any capacity knows this is one of the biggest lies told by K&S. I’m yet to see scientific evidence to the contrary. Yes it makes you a bit daft but not forgetful enough to forget a murder or even where you were that night. It might take a sec to recall but it wouldn’t give you a 2 week total amnesia which is what Knox and Sollecito are claiming! Odder still that it is from two people who can remember enough to know what jeans Meredith was wearing but struggle when it comes to knowing where they were a mere 6 hours later on. I don’t actually think they were on anything stronger, I just think they are both liars.
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Sollecito, un magistrato italiano: “Non ha detto tutta la verità per ottenere il permesso”
Ticino | 23 aprile 2013 - 10:01
http://www.mattinonline.ch/sollecito-un ... -permesso/


"Italian judge: "Sollecito knew he still had a criminal trial in progress. In my opinion we won't see him again in Italy... ".

While these days Raffaele Sollecito, the Italian boy accused along with American Amanda Knox of murdering Meredith Kercher, is starting his work in Lugano as a writer of his story to sell to publishers and film producers and claims to be well in Ticino, lawyers and prosecutors are preparing papers for the new trial to the two ragazzi, after the ruling of the Supreme Court that overturned the acquittal on appeal.

A trial in which it was assumed Amanda Knox would not participate, who fled in haste from Italy with the help of American authorities. But at which Raffaele Sollecito hardly will participate either, at least according to an Italian magistrate talking with the editorial team of Mattinonline who preferred to remain anonymous.

Raffaele Sollecito claims to have told the truth about his application for permission to stay in Ticino.
"If the conditions for obtaining permission B are those you do not have criminal convictions and criminal proceedings in progress, then I seriously doubt that Raffaele Sollecito has told the whole truth in his self declaration. It 's true that last December he had, and still has not, any criminal conviction against him, but the criminal trial was still going on as it lacked the judgment of the Supreme Court, and this was known for several months to all parties involved."

Are there options to revoke Sollecito's permit B?
"It's not a decision of Italian competence. It is clear that if Swiss law provides for the revocation of a permit if a person falsely states to obtain it they might have the tools to take adequate measures. "

If Raffaele Sollecito were to be condemned, does he believe R.S. would return to Italy to serve his sentence?
"Given the precedents, I don't really think so. Moreover, I am convinced that, with the time Italian justice takes, Raffaele Sollecito will have the opportunity to find a solution to avoid possible extradition. In my opinion it's unlikely we'll see him in Italy again once the new trial starts."
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 2:07 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Maybe he is hinting on the possibility of RS becoming a Swiss citizen or running off to some other country which he could do anyway. Not sure if it is all very realistic what the 'unknown' judge is predicting.
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I'm not sure it's so easy to become a Swiss citizen.
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daisysteiner wrote:
Hi Ergon

Sorry to hear of your recent family news. Stay strong m’dear x

Hey Tamale

Sorry that I got you into trouble with lady garden but I just wanted to use a word that brought a bit of levity to the situation. ........................
...................Also T, your comments regarding marijuana are spot on too. Anyone who’s ever smoked in any capacity knows this is one of the biggest lies told by K&S. I’m yet to see scientific evidence to the contrary. Yes it makes you a bit daft but not forgetful enough to forget a murder or even where you were that night. It might take a sec to recall but it wouldn’t give you a 2 week total amnesia which is what Knox and Sollecito are claiming! Odder still that it is from two people who can remember enough to know what jeans Meredith was wearing but struggle when it comes to knowing where they were a mere 6 hours later on. I don’t actually think they were on anything stronger, I just think they are both liars.


Hey, daisysteiner,
Thanks. Your 'lady garden' comment was so quintessentially British I laughed out loud, though some might not find it funny. Me, I remembered that the Jack In The Box E. Coli out break took place in Seattle in 1993, so what came of that connection, in my mind, was "mad" and "cow" :)
Now I just saw the first episode of "The Bletchley Circle" on PBS and I am now a fan of this British crime drama. What draws me to it is the same as this case: A murder, and the patterns within it that become apparent when you analyze the data, and then you can see motivation and predict outcomes.
Then, with all due respect to those who don't see the connection with marijuana use and the murder, no, I don't think it caused any real memory loss, but yes, the two on the lam had been tripping the night before, but too bad the proper drug tests hadn't been carried out to determine on what. But, these two do display, along with an over all intellectual dimmitude (sic), signs of lesions in the ventromedial prefrontal cortex with attendant impaired cognitive empathy. See The Neural Bases for Empathy and such people might also be genetically wired to be more vulnerable to whatever they took the afternoon of November 01, 2007.
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Yah, you are right. Even if he marries a Swiss lady today, then it will still take at least 5 years from what I read.
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Ava wrote:
I'm not sure it's so easy to become a Swiss citizen.


But it is relatively easy these days, for a government to screw up and let in undesirable aliens. It seems that wherever I go in London or Toronto there's a Russian mafiya buying up football clubs or mega-mansions. Good luck extraditing them. The Sollecitos are connected too, and it's still a battle between two Italys.
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Ergon wrote:
daisysteiner wrote:
Hi Ergon

Sorry to hear of your recent family news. Stay strong m’dear x

Hey Tamale

Sorry that I got you into trouble with lady garden but I just wanted to use a word that brought a bit of levity to the situation. ........................
...................Also T, your comments regarding marijuana are spot on too. Anyone who’s ever smoked in any capacity knows this is one of the biggest lies told by K&S. I’m yet to see scientific evidence to the contrary. Yes it makes you a bit daft but not forgetful enough to forget a murder or even where you were that night. It might take a sec to recall but it wouldn’t give you a 2 week total amnesia which is what Knox and Sollecito are claiming! Odder still that it is from two people who can remember enough to know what jeans Meredith was wearing but struggle when it comes to knowing where they were a mere 6 hours later on. I don’t actually think they were on anything stronger, I just think they are both liars.


Hey, daisysteiner,
Thanks. Your 'lady garden' comment was so quintessentially British I laughed out loud, though some might not find it funny. Me, I remembered that the Jack In The Box E. Coli out break took place in Seattle in 1993, so what came of that connection, in my mind, was "mad" and "cow" :)
Now I just saw the first episode of "The Bletchley Circle" on PBS and I am now a fan of this British crime drama. What draws me to it is the same as this case: A murder, and the patterns within it that become apparent when you analyze the data, and then you can see motivation and predict outcomes.
Then, with all due respect to those who don't see the connection with marijuana use and the murder, no, I don't think it caused any real memory loss, but yes, the two on the lam had been tripping the night before, but too bad the proper drug tests hadn't been carried out to determine on what. But, these two do display, along with an over all intellectual dimmitude (sic), signs of lesions in the ventromedial prefrontal cortex with attendant impaired cognitive empathy. See The Neural Bases for Empathy and such people might also be genetically wired to be more vulnerable to whatever they took the afternoon of November 01, 2007.


Thanks for the link Ergon. The full article needs a password but the abstract covers the main thrust - if you're predisposed to be odd on <insert drug> then that's what will happen. I subscribe to that point of view as this explains why i can have a bottle of wine and then decide I don't want another but a friend who is predisposed to alcoholism has to drink and drink. Ditto weed. I can smoke and leave it; some people have to smoke until the bag is empty and although I seriously doubt it as I've never heard of it before, it may in very few cases cause amnesia. Which sort of fans the flames for the prosecution really - what are the odds that on top of every single thing that strangely and unfortunately happened to Knox and Sollecito, we can add the fact that they are 1 in a million having a reaction to the weed and whaddya know, two 1 in a million people met and had this experience.

To use another Britishism, pull the other one, it has bells on.
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I found this link to a 17 minute radio interview of Wendy Murphy prior to her appearance on CNN.
She further explains her conviciton that Knox and Sollecito are guilty.

https://soundcloud.com/#thelarslarsonsh ... ndy-murphy

3/26/13
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Oh, I wouldn't blame it on the drugs, daisysteiner. Except that is how Rudy Guede and Raffaele Sollecito got dragged in. How did all three of them end up at the cottage in that very short period of time? With knives at hand? And go along with what Knox initiated?

The answer lies in Amanda Knox's psychology, with the main components being:
1) Her family environment during her formative years.
2) Narcissistic rage.
3) lack of cognitive empathy.

The drugs were only the match that lit the fuse. Should make for a very interesting interview. The book, not so much.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 4:56 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Statistics from the SC. It is good that I didn't see those before the annulment :) The numbers of returned cases by the SC are usually below 10%.
http://www.linkiesta.it/annullamento-con-rinvio
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Today is the World Book and Copyright Day :)
(not in Britain, I believe)

http://www.unesco.org/new/en/unesco/eve ... -day-2013/
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daisysteiner wrote:
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Ava wrote:
It can always get worse:

In new book, Amanda Knox says Italian prison workers and inmates tormented her sexually, even measuring her genitalia while she was behind bars
By Sherryl Connelly / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS


I may be setting myself up for tremendous embarrassment here but help me out ladies; in what way does someone go about measuring female genitalia? I've never heard of such a thing being done and I can't imagine what points of reference one might use to normalize such measurements in a way that would make actual numbers meaningful.

As a side note, the website of the artist who constructed the "Great Wall of Vagina" (some pages Not Safe For Work) provides valuable insight into the widely varying topography of female genitalia which, to my mind, makes the idea of meaningful measurement absurd. (Personal side note: I think that was a wonderful project for all the right reasons.)

Am I missing something or is Knox blowing smoke?

[Edited to change link to artist's page]


Cheers for the link with some interesting looks there :)


Glad you enjoyed it. I really think it is about time people start to grow up and accept the human body for what it is, including the naughty bits. BTW, the videos there are useful for those who are curious about the process and the intent of the artist. This YouTube video in particular shows how it was done and why it is so meaningful. I understand that some people are uncomfortable with this topic so view at your own risk.

daisysteiner wrote:
In all my years of being a woman (which makes me sound like I was once something else haha!), I've never heard of fanny measurements (that's a British fanny kids, different to an American one!) being taken anywhere ever except by those looking to smuggle drugs but then surely its a rough estimate rather than a scientific calculation with pens etc.


I really need to get an English to English dictionary. :) I while back I read the book How To Be A Woman (for anthropological reasons; not studying for the final exam) and the author, a British woman, discussed the topic of names for the female genitalia. I don't remember fanny coming up but I may have missed it. Nonetheless, I must say that you guys definitely come up with the most entertaining euphemisms.

Curiously, I did encounter the term "Lady Garden" a while back in a blog post by Jenny Lawson. She is a very amusing writer who I first learned of via this hysterical anecdote about an argument she had with her husband.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 8:52 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

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Statistics from the SC. It is good that I didn't see those before the annulment :) The numbers of returned cases by the SC are usually below 10%.
http://www.linkiesta.it/annullamento-con-rinvio


Thanks max. Interesting article which deserves reading in its entirety + nice picture of Palazzo della Corte di Cassazione with ominous dark clouds above, which created a 'perfect storm' for Knox and Sollecito in March. Google translation follows below:

Knox, Stasi, Dell'Utri - quando il processo è da rifare -
when the process has to be redone

By Luca Rinaldi
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In the hours immediately following the outcome of a great process (especially the media talking about) at the Supreme Court of Cassation, which is the last degree of judgment according to our legal system, comments begin pouring in. Comments that are even more frequent and virulent when the Supreme Court pronounced the formula of "undo with referral" [“annullamento con rinvio”], which in everyday language means the process to be redone, or, in the case of court orders, ordinances be reviewed.

The last three processes that have captured the attention of the newspapers, and reflection of the general public, who viewed this epilogue at the Supreme Court, were cases of murder of Garlasco, in which Alberto Stasi after two acquittals will have to return to the courts of 'appeal'; Meredith Kercher's murder, in which the defendants Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito after a conviction at first instance and acquittal at second, must recur to the judgment of the judiciary, then there is the process against Marcello Dell'Utri for collusion with the Mafia, already retried and convicted in the second degree, now again under review by the Supreme Court.

A formula that of "cancellation without referral", which always triggers observations and controversy about those "processes to be redone." Specifically, the Supreme Court does not intervene in investigations and trials of previous degrees, but it is "judge of legitimacy", and cannot deal with reviewing the evidence, but it can only verify that you have applied the law correctly and that the process in previous degrees took place according to the rules.

How are the processes and orders in criminal matters coming before the Supreme Court that are then sent back to the sender? In the past twelve years the average, according to data made available by the Supreme Court was of 8.86 percent. On balance, ie instances judged to be reviewed by the Supreme Court are about 4,235. The maximum peak in the last decade was in 2008 when 10.9% of the cases that came to the Supreme Court ended with an annulment with referral.

In 2012, the judgments / orders of cancellation and referral arranged by the Cassation were 4,716 out of 51,460, ie 9.2% of the total number of judgments and orders issued.

It is interesting to go into the details of the statistics provided by the Supreme Court of Cassation. The voice that brings to so-called "processes to be redone" is that concerning the "ordinary appeals," or the time when defense lawyers or prosecutors decide to seek the judgment of the Supreme Court, as happened in the case of the murders of Chiara Poggi and Meredith Kercher and the former Senator Dell'Utri, just to name a few of the best known and mentioned above. Of 22,830 pronouncements, the Supreme Court ordered a new trial in 1,856 cases, which is 8,1% of the total.

The highest number of cases (not only processes, but also other instances, as mentioned above) to the Supreme Court comes mainly from crimes such as crimes against property and drugs, but to have a greater impact on the system, with frequent cancellations with referral, are ordinary crimes and mafia-related crimes that return to the consideration of the judges in 19.6% of cases, road accidents (19.4%) and in cases of murder and homicide (12.2% of cancellations with referral) and injuries by negligence (15.9%).

"Every process is a special case - tells an insider to Linkiesta - it is not possible to generalize about cases of cancellation and referral. Certainly, for example, the case of Garlasco is very rare, because it occurs very few times that, with two acquittals behind, the Supreme Court could rule on the appeal in a referral. "A rare case also raises questions about the quality of certain investigations, a matter which the Supreme Court certainly cannot enter, but that in the indictment of the Prosecutor General Aniello in the courtroom during the hearing of the Garlasco case has been extensively treated."

"The first ten days of referral - refers a judicial source to Linkiesta - it was definitely an act that allowed the judges of the Supreme Court to setting the motivational system of the judgment, which probably will not come out of a lot, in view of the urgency to return to the Court of Appeal."

Those cases where two courts pass an acquittal and then see the Supreme Court rule for a reopening of the case are rare. One of the precedents before the case of Garlasco was that of Amedeo Matacena, former deputy of Calabrian Forza Italia: acquitted in the first instance and on appeal from the accusation of collusion with the Mafia, the Supreme Court overturned the verdicts ordering a new trial, where Matacena was sentenced to 5 years on appeal in July 2012, and now awaits, again, the decision of the Supreme Court.

"Justice delayed, justice denied" (Justice delayed, justice denied), a maxim recited by the U.S. Supreme Court in 1999. And in Italy between criminal cases and civil cases we do not miss anything, except the justice, where everything becomes appealable, and where the Court of Cassation absorbs 80 thousand cases a year. Suffice it to say that the U.S. Supreme Court receives instead only 80, maybe doing a turn of the screw too tight in criminal matters, but we are also more efficient than the UK, Germany and France.

As written by the constitutionalist Michele Ainis, "we are the country of perfect bicameralism, and imperfect appeal. And in both cases there is a constitutional provision to protect the oxymoron. With regards to justice, the contradiction dwells in art. 111 of the Charter, written in 1947 but reformulated by the centralists in 1999. It says, on the one hand, that each process must be of reasonable length, and on the other, that every criminal judgment can be contested in the Supreme Court. In the words of Camus, “the absurd is sin without God."


http://www.linkiesta.it/annullamento-con-rinvio
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 8:58 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

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Gee...Ergon. I am sending condolences.

I would like to put the Marijuana/memory myth to rest. I live in Hawaii...which is the pot growing capital of the world.


Now, now, tamale, every one knows that Canada's own B.C. province is the pot growing capital of the world. As nobody and their priest know so well :)


I think some growers on California's Mendocino coast would object to these unsubstantiated assertions.

Funny enough, although I lost interest in pot a few decades ago, of the half dozen or so times I've indulged in the intervening years, once was in Hawaii, once was in B.C. and once was in Mendocino. It's like some kind of hat trick or something.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:06 pm   Post subject: Re: Michael & ttrroonniicc posts   

I just want to give a shout out to Michael's rant on Peter's mistakes. I think it is very important that any factual errors get acknowledged and corrected. It's essential to maintain credibility.

And ttrroonniicc's FBI image gave me one of the best laughs of the past week.

Thanks guys.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:16 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

capealadin wrote:
Naps..I like Diane Sawyer as I have mentioned. But..in saying that...she's still a hired gun..and will be made to feel the responsibility of her network..who have pussied ( sorry) up the Knox/Mellas club..and who have quite a few things riding on an interview that makes Knox seem * WRONGED *.

Colour. Me. Cynical.


I'm setting my expectations low so that I won't be disappointed. I don't have strong feelings one way or the other about Dianne Sawyer as I don't really watch TV anymore so I'm not all that familiar with her recent work. As I recall, she did some really interesting interviews back in the day but confrontation was not really her style (that was Mike Wallace's department).

I won't be watching the interview, but if any interesting clips are excerpted, I'll check those out. I'm with ttrroonniicc in that the massive marketing campaign really galls me and I'll probably be eating lots of Tums over the next week or two.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 10:38 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Something different for a change: a review of Preston's Kindle book

Trial by Fury: Internet Savagery and the Amanda Knox Case
by Douglas Preston

Reviewed by Jane Marion (4/22/13)

In “Trial by Fury: Internet Savagery and the Amanda Knox Case,” writer Douglas Preston tries to renew prurient pleasure in the case, but his rant, which reads like a “B-minus” at best sociology paper, is less about Knox than the evils of the Internet and the anatomy of online hate communities.


THIN READS
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:44 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

daisysteiner wrote:
Hi Ergon

Sorry to hear of your recent family news. Stay strong m’dear x

Hey Tamale

Sorry that I got you into trouble with lady garden but I just wanted to use a word that brought a bit of levity to the situation. To be clear, I was mocking the fact that Princess found what happened as strange when it happens every day and all over the world. I’m sure it’s not a fun experience but I would expect it if I was imprisoned. I very much doubt they were measuring her. The tone of Knox’s comments should be mocked as its all to portray her as the poor victim. As I read further down this page to the NY times reviews, the book seems to be 499 pages of poor little ol’ me and 1 page of “oh yeah, that British chick”

Also Tamale, torrenting is very illegal and you definitely shouldn’t be the one to scan and upload Knox’s book to the net especially if you are on an “open” internet connection...anyway that’s what the internet has Anonymous for, they do that stuff so you don’t have to haha!. I have absolutely no intention of buying the book nor borrowing it from the library so there’s no revenue lost here whatever I choose to do. My post up thread is a genuine reaction that I’ve had from people I know insofar as the thought of giving Knox or Sollecito money via the book or any other means is totally abhorrent regardless of their feelings of innocence or guilt. My highly unscientific group of friends/colleagues did say though that they would treat it like any bit of salacious gossip – skip to the juicy stuff (bloke on train etc), mock her attempts to say where she was that night, discuss in the tea break, then move on and never talk of it again because to most people, it just isn’t important and Knox is just another Casey Anthony/Jodi Arias etc who tries to play the poor little girl lost card to get away with murder.

Also T, your comments regarding marijuana are spot on too. Anyone who’s ever smoked in any capacity knows this is one of the biggest lies told by K&S. I’m yet to see scientific evidence to the contrary. Yes it makes you a bit daft but not forgetful enough to forget



Hi Daisy, Your lady garden comment was the funniest thing I have heard in ages. I was tickled all day.
I would not dream of doing anything illegal in regards to Amandas tome. I was just curious.

Yes the Marijuana thing is just blowing smoke! And yes, it is one of the biggest lies. I refuse to believe EVERYBODY was fooled. Thanks again for the giggles. Bettina
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 12:15 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

I have been wanting to say this for some time now...

IIP....how dare you (suddenly) feign sympathy for the Kerchers. In fact none of you should breathe the Kercher name out the side of your necks. You do not, nor ever did you care a wit about the pain you were causing them. Just stop.

Bettina
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 12:37 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Nice general article about Perugia.
http://www.corrierenazionale.it/tempo-l ... voltandosi
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 8:48 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

'The dance' seems the topic of the day.

Amanda: "Ballavo sulla scena del delitto" (Amanda: "I was dancing on the scene of the crime")
http://www.tgcom24.mediaset.it/cronaca/ ... tto-.shtml

I saw that SA already spotted the contradiction with her testimony during the trials when she was asked about that strange 'move' she made.
"AK: Honestly, I don't remember that movement."

I suspect there will be many more of these, just like we saw with RS's book.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 9:23 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Wendy Murphy on The Lars Larson Show last month.

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Justice Could Be Knox-ing At The Door

Amanda Knox is going to be retried for murder in Italy, and I think it's a great move. In my eyes she's guilty based on the evidence that was given by the prosecution.

The problem is that Americans love to fall in love with stories like this. They love to be riveted. The media loves the story of the attractive young defendant and the mystery and intrigue that goes along with it, which can lead to a skewed view of what is actually going on.

Legal Analyst Wendy Murphy says that if you just look at all the evidence, it's a fairly open and shut case...

http://www.kxl.com/03/26/13/Justice-Cou ... edID=10628
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:09 am   Post subject: While we wait for the book to drop...   

I suspect that newcomers to this online battle (like “Clive” and “BMF1950”) may not be aware of the shenanigans that Knox boosters resorted to in the early days of the PR campaign and, as a result, it may be difficult for them to understand the point of view of some of the more seasoned members of PMF (I read along during the Haloscan days but didn’t sign up or make a comment for years because, at first, I thought Knox didn’t fit and it was clear to me that a lot of information had to be absorbed before I could understand the issues those clever people were debating).

Knox’s supporters made a habit of joining PMF and claiming that they were “lawyers” while, at one and the same time, laying down a series of posts that made it painfully obvious to Yours Truly that they had not so much as set foot in an accredited school of law.

In the result, I was not impressed when “BMF” boldly asserted that “American law does not have the concept of criminal libel” notwithstanding the fact that, at the time of his posting, roughly 1 in 3 states had criminal libel laws on the books.

Similarly, I was even less impressed when we had an “anglolawyer” show up and make a series of blunders on everything from jury sequestration and double jeopardy to the right to silence and the BARD standard.

Alas, now that the dust has settled somewhat and we are all contemplating the prospect of participating in another 2 to 4 years (or more) of debate/ discussion, I’d like to try responding to the following attack without resorting to the name-calling and snark contained therein in the hope that it might help to establish a more… ‘mature’ tone to the interesting (if somewhat inefficient) back-and-forth that’s developed between certain members on opposing boards:

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Clive:

1) I have not “disappeared” - I contribute to the discussion when time permits and I am perfectly ready to defend my assertions should you ever find the courage to drop by .NET on a Tuesday, abide by the rules of the board and leave a post for me to read (I’m likely to miss posts made elsewhere - I have to wait for a pal to send me updates from the furrier's place as I'm careful about who gets to see my IP and email addresses);

2) My point (see the screenshot of my post below) was a simple one: In writing your article you did not even bother to mention: a) the retention of SMS meta data on servers (up to 7 years in the USA, depending on the server); b) the retention of SMS content on servers (up to 90 days in the USA, depending on the server); c) the potential for retention of data on the SIM card in either handset; OR d) the potential for retention of data in the internal memory (if any) in either handset. Everyone ‘in the game’ on this side of the Atlantic (police, prosecutors, defense lawyers, divorce lawyers, you name it) IS, in fact, ‘alive to the issue’ of SMS data retention. Why did you completely elide ANY discussion of this issue in your article? There is literally no mention of servers, SIM cards, internal memory capacities or the means by which data could become sufficiently overwritten so as to prevent its recovery; &

3) The 5th line of my post reads: “ARE THE RENTION PERIODS OF META DATA AND CONTENT ON THE SERVERS OF ITALIAN CARRIERS SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT?” As such it indicates, rather clearly, that I was ‘alive to the issue’ that laws/practices in Italy may differ from those in the US and, as a result, was asking our Italian members for more information. Why did you not bother to do the same (check with a knowledgeable Italian source) before publishing your article maligning Italian police officers? If you did check, why is there no mention of this in your article? Are you now going to claim that the information Clander provided AFTER your article was published was known to you AT THE TIME you wrote the article?

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BMF:

I am well aware of “the idea that lawyers can disagree on evaluation of law and evidence.” Indeed, it seems to me that lawyers, judges, professors and students do little else. Dissent is the name of the game. However, in your post (screenshot below) you did not offer an “evaluation of law” so much as a completely erroneous assertion of fact:

American law does not have the concept of criminal libel.

Unfortunately for you, at the time of your posting, 16 states had CRIMINAL libel laws on the books. That is a simple fact and it is not open to ‘evaluation’/ interpretation.

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I’m curious to know why this mistake of YOURS gives you cause to question MY credentials?

So you made an error. No worries. Come back to the discussion. I was too quick to label you a troll and I wish to offer you an apology.
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Amanda Knox on Kercher's family: 'I hope they read my book'
Scott Stump 31 minutes ago
http://www.today.com/news/amanda-knox-k ... -6C9576834

“Her father thinks I'm the killer of his daughter, and that's painful,’’ Knox told People. “I really hope they read my book.”
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 12:22 pm   Post subject: PAGING DOUGLAS PRESTON   

And, speaking on the issue of author Douglas Preston (who I note is probably registered here as member dpreston and last visited on Jan 21 2013 when he was doing 'research' for his book "Trial By Fury" but never posted) he is quite welcome to come here on any day of the week to defend his conflation of comments made by anonymous strangers on the world wide web with the two PMF boards and TJMK. We have no recollection of any such comment made here yet he seems to imply that members of these boards are responsible. He can also defend his Google research methods, and why he thinks the concept of 'altruistic punishment' means that we 'hate' Amanda Knox instead of the more accepted rendering that it is for the good of society as a whole that wrongdoers should face justice and be punished for their crimes instead of escaping it because of preferential treatment and corruption.

I note that as members of I-A are now attacking the Kerchers, both there and even more virulently on the James Randi Anything Goes forums, should we name those boards as being responsible for the actions of individual members? No, but it does speak to their culture, that the Kerchers are still being attacked as a) being misled by their lawyer b) 'persecuting' innocent people, and c) 'chasing after Amanda and Raffaele's money'. How dare they say such things? Telling that Doug Preston does not examine their psychology.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 12:54 pm   Post subject: ORGAN GRINDER PLAYS SAME TUNE   

I see there's a new article by Bruce Fischer on Ground Report SAME OLD, SAME OLD where he states that Patrick Lumumba is a) greedy b) has a repulsive lawyer and c) taking part in a 'hate campaign' against Amanda Knox. He does churn them out like sausages, doesn't he?

But he does add a factual error here.
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The court finalized Knox’s Calunnia conviction, reserving the right to review the decision again if the appeal effects the charge. In other words, nothing is final.


Sorry, Bruce, the callunia conviction is final, and your article should be corrected. So, the next time you meet up with Amanda, will you ask her if she intends paying Patrick Lumumba for his pain and suffering, and losing his business? Will Diane Sawyer?
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Amanda Knox Contemplated Suicide in Italian Prison (video)
In an interview in People magazine, Knox says memoir will reveal her difficult time in jail.
02:08 | 04/24/2013
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Amanda Knox: I never thought I’d be a suspect (another video about victim Amanda)
Amanda Knox is speaking out in a new interview with People magazine about her years in an Italian prison, after she was accused of killing her roommate, and her life now that she has been released and is back in the United States.
TODAY | April 24, 2013 NBCNews
http://www.today.com/video/today/51643138/#51643138
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 1:33 pm   Post subject: Re: PAGING DOUGLAS PRESTON   

Ergon wrote:
And, speaking on the issue of author Douglas Preston (who I note is probably registered here as member dpreston and last visited on Jan 21 2013 when he was doing 'research' for his book "Trial By Fury" but never posted) he is quite welcome to come here on any day of the week to defend his conflation of comments made by anonymous strangers on the world wide web with the two PMF boards and TJMK. We have no recollection of any such comment made here yet he seems to imply that members of these boards are responsible. He can also defend his Google research methods, and why he thinks the concept of 'altruistic punishment' means that we 'hate' Amanda Knox instead of the more accepted rendering that it is for the good of society as a whole that wrongdoers should face justice and be punished for their crimes instead of escaping it because of preferential treatment and corruption.

I note that as members of I-A are now attacking the Kerchers, both there and even more virulently on the James Randi Anything Goes forums, should we name those boards as being responsible for the actions of individual members? No, but it does speak to their culture, that the Kerchers are still being attacked as a) being misled by their lawyer b) 'persecuting' innocent people, and c) 'chasing after Amanda and Raffaele's money'. How dare they say such things? Telling that Doug Preston does not examine their psychology.


I was always taught that when writing a book/essay/report/anything where there are two sides to a story that you engage both before putting pen to paper. He only jumped on Amanda/Raffaele's bandwagon so he could use their case as a stick to beat Mignini and not because he has any real belief in their innocence, its so obvious from the tone and focus of his writing. Preston is a angry bitter man who is all stampy footed because people don't agree with him. Sadly for him it seems he's getting panned because he comes across as, surprise surprise, a tantrum throwing toddler who writes "B- Sociology essays"
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 1:47 pm   Post subject: Re: ORGAN GRINDER PLAYS SAME TUNE   

Ergon wrote:
I see there's a new article by Bruce Fischer on Ground Report SAME OLD, SAME OLD where he states that Patrick Lumumba is a) greedy b) has a repulsive lawyer and c) taking part in a 'hate campaign' against Amanda Knox. He does churn them out like sausages, doesn't he?

But he does add a factual error here.
Quote:
The court finalized Knox’s Calunnia conviction, reserving the right to review the decision again if the appeal effects the charge. In other words, nothing is final.


Sorry, Bruce, the callunia conviction is final, and your article should be corrected. So, the next time you meet up with Amanda, will you ask her if she intends paying Patrick Lumumba for his pain and suffering, and losing his business? Will Diane Sawyer?


Amanda is a convicted liar, end of story. Whether she ends up as a convicted murderer remains to be seen but that outcome will have absolutely zero effect upon the calunnia conviction. The charges are separate. The bottom line here is, irrespective of whether Knox or Guede or Sollecito or all of them murdered Meredith, Amanda knew Patrick was at work because he called her to say he would manage the bar alone. In accusing him, she to the best of the knowledge available to her accused an innocent man which is calunnia and she has had this conviction finalised. Is anyone still struggling with this? I don't know how i can make it clearer than that. Amanda owes a chunk of her winnings to Patrick and what with Knoxy being an honourable sort of lass, she'll of course pay up....Oh wait....
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 3:50 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Ava wrote:
Amanda Knox on Kercher's family: 'I hope they read my book'
Scott Stump 31 minutes ago
http://www.today.com/news/amanda-knox-k ... -6C9576834

“Her father thinks I'm the killer of his daughter, and that's painful,’’ Knox told People. “I really hope they read my book.”


Did Knox ever mention if she read John Kercher's book, "Meredith"?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 4:02 pm   Post subject: Re: ORGAN GRINDER PLAYS SAME TUNE   

daisysteiner wrote:
Ergon wrote:
I see there's a new article by Bruce Fischer on Ground Report SAME OLD, SAME OLD where he states that Patrick Lumumba is a) greedy b) has a repulsive lawyer and c) taking part in a 'hate campaign' against Amanda Knox. He does churn them out like sausages, doesn't he?

Knox falsely accused Lumumba causing him to

a. be imprisoned
b. lose his bar
c. be accused of a heinous murder / rape
d. lose his residence (he ended up moving away, it was all too much)

Knoxes family left him to stew in jail when Knox told them he was innocent. Edda Mellas (Knox mother) when asked why that was, stated "I didn't inform the authorities that Patrick Lumumba was innocent because I didn't speak Italian."

she had people around her who spoke italian and english, she had access to a dictionary

....

that particular explanation is as ridiculous as:

the deep SCRATCH on the neck of Amanda Knox, which wasn't there the night before according to her flatmates, was shown to be healed consistant with the period of a week from when it was inflicted vertically next to her adams apple. Explained as a "hickey".

Sollecitos explanation that there was actually DNA of Meredith Kercher on his OWN kitchen knife because as he said "I accidentally pricked Meredith Kercher with the knife when we were cooking". Sollecito had no idea that the DNA was not taken from the tip of the knife but from part way up the blade. Knox when asked if Meredith Kercher and she, and he, had ever been at his apartment confirmed that it was untrue.

Why would the police have it in for Knox or Lumumba? Why would the police ever have "pressured her to accuse Lumumba". Not only was Italy (as far as the FOA are concerned) intent on persecuting Knox (a complete stranger to them) ~ why? But also using Knox to frame Patrick Lumumba.

The truth is that as Knox was recorded in the waiting room with Sollecito, going through a list of names in their broken communication "him?" "I have this against him (etc)" they were agreeing who to accuse. It's possible that Knox had tried to set up Sollecito (who was actually being questioned under caution?) to accuse Lumumba. Guede had left. Guede was an associate of theirs. Guede was also black. She accused Lumumba right after being informed that Sollecito was not supporting her alibi that she was at his apartment, with him, during the hours of the murder. That was not retracted. Sollecitos lawyer continued to insist that for years (yes). How can they contest anything around this? No wonder Sollecito is now in Switzerland.

Just going over things (again)
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Napia5 wrote:
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Amanda Knox on Kercher's family: 'I hope they read my book'
Scott Stump 31 minutes ago
http://www.today.com/news/amanda-knox-k ... -6C9576834

“Her father thinks I'm the killer of his daughter, and that's painful,’’ Knox told People. “I really hope they read my book.”

Did Knox ever mention if she read John Kercher's book, "Meredith"?

Dunno, but she particularly mentions the father so she might have heard of it at least. Daily Mail continues and now it is the 'Kercher family'. Somebody please shut her up :roll:

'I hope the Kercher family read my book': Amanda Knox speaks ahead of long-waited memoir as she reveals she is planning a trip to Ecuador with former cellmate
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... emoir.html
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:04 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

max wrote:
...she reveals she is planning a trip to Ecuador with former cellmate...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... emoir.html


Does Ecuador have an extradition treaty with Italy? ;) It does with the US...
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From the DM article:

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Of Miss Kercher's parents, she said: 'I've never approached them, for legal reasons and because I worry about imposing on them in their grief."


She is such a considerate person, eh? As I said, she has an excuse and an explanation for everything.

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Knox also explained her difficulty at reintegrating into family life following four years in prison.


I bet that was her explanation of why she chose to move out of her parents'/mother's home a mere month after arriving in the US.
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I see there's a new article by Bruce Fischer on Ground Report SAME OLD, SAME OLD where he states that Patrick Lumumba is a) greedy b) has a repulsive lawyer and c) taking part in a 'hate campaign' against Amanda Knox. He does churn them out like sausages, doesn't he?

But he does add a factual error here.
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The court finalized Knox’s Calunnia conviction, reserving the right to review the decision again if the appeal effects the charge. In other words, nothing is final.


Sorry, Bruce, the callunia conviction is final, and your article should be corrected. So, the next time you meet up with Amanda, will you ask her if she intends paying Patrick Lumumba for his pain and suffering, and losing his business? Will Diane Sawyer?


Patrick is greedy? And Hate-fueled? His behavior is reprehensible? Knox has a book. Sollecito has a book. Bruiser has a book, Doug Preston and Mario Spezi are re-releasing their book, and PATRICK is greedy? Jesus wept.
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guermantes wrote:
max wrote:
...she reveals she is planning a trip to Ecuador with former cellmate...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... emoir.html


Does Ecuador have an extradition treaty with Italy? ;) It does with the US...


Have we ever heard of former cellmate Laura?
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“Wild Things” director planning sequel based on Amanda Knox case
The project, which will be about the children of the original characters, is titled "Wild Child Things"
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http://www.salon.com/2013/04/24/wild_th ... knox_case/
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Ava wrote:
“Wild Things” director planning sequel based on Amanda Knox case
The project, which will be about the children of the original characters, is titled "Wild Child Things"
By Prachi Gupta
Wednesday, Apr 24, 2013 06:32 PM +0200
http://www.salon.com/2013/04/24/wild_th ... knox_case/


My heart goes out to the Kerchers. I cannot imagine how they handle this un-ending nightmare.
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guermantes wrote:
max wrote:
...she reveals she is planning a trip to Ecuador with former cellmate...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... emoir.html


Does Ecuador have an extradition treaty with Italy? ;) It does with the US...


I googled "Italy Ecuador Extradition Treaty" and got about 2,500,000 results in only 0.28 seconds.

So that must mean something.
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Large photos posted in the Photo Album PERUGIA 2013 I arrived in Perugia the evening of March 18. Staying just around the corner from Via della Pergola. That night I went down to the cottage, passing by Piazza Grimana. Thought of Antonio Curatolo, tried to see everything through his eyes. Visibility, whether raining or not, was sufficient for me to see what he might have seen. In fact, the basketball court is a lot more brightly lit than the camera shows. (Note to self-get better camera) Yes, he could have seen Knox and Sollecito from where he was sitting at the benches. Went to the fence. From there, Knox and Sollecito would have been able to clearly see the cottage entrance, any one approaching it, and the broke-down car, even through the overhanging branches. (Evergreen trees btw, wouldn't lose any foliage in November) No matter how much they tried to trip him up, the homeless man reported what he saw on the night of November 01, 2007.

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GOOGLE TRANSLATE:

"I sang in the room of Mez
during the surveys of the police »
Amanda: "I ​​mentioned a ballet, I did it to calm down"

Dal nostro corrispondente ALESSANDRA FARKAS


NEW YORK - "In the cell I have met so many in prison, although I'll never be like them because I was raised by the black hole where I fall." "I sang and danced in the room Mez during the surveys of the police." "After the arrest the guard looked at me as if I pretended caviar and prosecco when I asked him to make a phone call." These are some of the revelations contained in Waiting to Be Heard, the memoir of Amanda Knox in the U.S. at the end of the month, which earned its author an advance of four million dollars.

On the eve of the expected debut, the dreaded literary critic Michiko Kakutani of the New York Times promotes a preview of the book, explaining that "introspection which was forced Amanda in jail has given her an ability to convey his emotions with considerable power visceral. " "In spite of the tabloids who liked to refer to Amanda by the nickname of Foxy Knoxy, giving erotic allusion to the nicknames when he played football in the school team," theorizes Kakutani, "she describes herself as" a frightened mouse in playing with the cat. '"

"I was like a child afflicted and lost that to 20 people still watched with childlike innocence," writes Amanda. What does it all for demolishing the image of dangerous seductress perpetrated by the media. "I flirt with men in Italy were only a way to feel more of a woman," assures, "and at ease with the idea of ​​casual sex practiced by girls and boys of my generation." The thorn in his side, having tried to frame an innocent man, Patrick Lumumba? "I was confused, tired and frightened," answers, "after hours of interrogation and slapped by an agent." The book fishing with both hands from the diary written in prison. "Between the two hearings changed one thing: myself.

In the 12 months after the conviction decided that feel victim would not help me, "he continues," In prison, there are many women who blame others for their misfortunes, thus living lives full of passive resentment. I refused to be like them. I'm out of the tunnel nefarious when I was rushed and I promised myself that I would live with dignity. I would have loved and I enjoyed every minute behind bars. " One of his concerns is to correct the prejudices of the police. "I did not believe that I a bad person, and I wanted to show who I was: a girl who loved her parents, who did well in school, he respected the authority and whose only problem with the law was a fine college for disturbing breach of the peace at a party in Seattle. "

In the book, Amanda returns to that terrible night of the murder: "I was at home with Raffaele to smoke marijuana which for us was a daily habit. For almost an hour I played Beatles songs on guitar with Raffaele not until we decided to go to his house. There we watched the movie "Amelie" and still smoked marijuana. Then I read aloud a Harry Potter book in German. " Do not miss new details. Responding to accusations that he had behaved in a suspicious manner after the death of his roommate, the 25 year-old Seattle admits that he held a bizarre demeanor when, with the police, he went to the crime scene. "I put on protective gloves and socks and began to sing, moving his arms as in the conduct of a musical," he says, "an attempt to ease tension because everything was so surreal and terrible."


CORRIERE DELLA SERA

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 2:45 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Amanda Knox murder trail redo: Wendy Murphy V Anne Bremner



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Hi, Ergon. Thanks for the pictures. One question: If one is standing at the fence where Curalto saw Knox and Sollecito, is there anything aside from the cottage that would hold anyone's interest? Would the spot be a place where people would normally stand to look out and see the lights of the city? I would give more weight to his statements about time, place and who he saw if it were an odd place for anyone to congregate. If there is no pattern of people stopping here to observe the sights, then I believe it would have more firmly registered with him.
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Will Meredith Kercher's Parents Read Amanda Knox's Memoir?
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Ouch Anne... maybe need to avoid programs when Wendy is the debate opponent. At least when the subject is AK.
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Napia5 wrote:
Hi, Ergon. Thanks for the pictures. One question: If one is standing at the fence where Curalto saw Knox and Sollecito, is there anything aside from the cottage that would hold anyone's interest? Would the spot be a place where people would normally stand to look out and see the lights of the city? I would give more weight to his statements about time, place and who he saw if it were an odd place for anyone to congregate. If there is no pattern of people stopping here to observe the sights, then I believe it would have more firmly registered with him.


I think the fact they didn't look like ordinary lovers brought them to Curatolo's attention. He probably noted them a couple times. I would imagine he assumed they were there to buy drugs and watched them out of curiosity.
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Michael wrote:
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[border]"I sang in the room of Mez
during the surveys of the police »
Amanda: "I ​​mentioned a ballet, I did it to calm down"

Dal nostro corrispondente ALESSANDRA FARKAS

...

CORRIERE DELLA SERA


I think this is the same article in English:

Amanda Ta-dahed as Police Examined Mez’s Room
Alessandra Farkas24 aprile 2013 | 12:13
English translation by Giles Watson
http://www.corriere.it/english/13_april ... 851f.shtml
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 4:29 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Michael wrote:
GOOGLE TRANSLATE:
"I sang in the room of Mez
during the surveys of the police"

Amanda: "I ​​mentioned a ballet, I did it to calm down"

Dal nostro corrispondente ALESSANDRA FARKAS


Hi Michael,

there's an English-language version of the same article in the English-lang. edition of Corriere della Sera:

Amanda Ta-dahed as Police Examined Mez’s Room
Acted “like lead in musical” to ease tension
By Alessandra Farkas

CORRIERE DELLA SERA (English)

What's obvious, though, is that Knox's didn't sing and dance in Meredith's room during a forensic examination. She did it in the boys' apartment downstairs when Giobbi asked her to accompany him to their flat and point out any signs of unusual activity. According to him Knox had put on her shoe covers, swiveled her hips and said, "hoopla! (made the move, "la mossa".)

As max notes above, SomeAlibi at .ORG has posted an excerpt from Knox's testimony, which is worth re-posting here. Good catch by SA!

Post by SomeAlibi » 23 Apr 2013, 16:31

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Ms. Knox acknowledges that she did behave somewhat oddly: for instance, when she went with the police to the crime scene and put on protective bootees and gloves, she sang out “Ta-dah” and thrust out her arms “like the lead in a musical.” It was an attempt, she writes, “to ease the tension for myself, because this was so surreal and terrifying.”


How cute 'Manda remembers not only the details but indeed the motivation behind that move now she's got a book to sell. Because she couldn't remember it at all during her trial when it might not have cast her in such a good light. It's like the "one joint" BS she tried at the trial. The girl lies when she wants to and "forgets" every time she thinks something is awkward.

LG: In those circumstances, you also made another strange movement which one of
the directors of the Questura called "la mossa", the move. When you put
the paper shoes on. Do you remember, Presidente?

AK: Honestly...

LG: Do you know what that movement is? Do you remember?

AK: Honestly, I don't remember that movement.

LG: [To GCM] You don't remember? I'll repeat it. [To Amanda] Do you know what
it is, "la mossa"? In Italy, it means you move your body in a certain way.

AK: I asked the interpreter to explain it to me, but I didn't really understand.


http://www.perugiamurderfile.org/viewtopic.php?p=132276#p132276

And now, several years later, she remembers that move perfectly well...
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It's interesting to note that all predictions made on the eve of the acquittal verdict in this blog post have come true:

One Look At Amanda Knox Is Enough To Know She Did It. But She Might Walk Free
2 October 2011

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 5:17 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

A more balanced view on the Amanda Knox story in Der Tagesspiegel (in German);

Die Geschichten der Amanda Knox - The stories of Amanda Knox
Von Verena Mayer

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Darn it! I missed another opportunity to hear the former Judge speak. Scroll down to April 8.
https://www.law.hawaii.edu/newsletter/april-5-2013

Wonder how he liked Hawaii?
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WARNING: New pictures of Knox in the latest edition of the People magazine (if those don't interest you or you don't want to look at them, please scroll on by):

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Knox on the cover of tomorrow's issue of People:

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Knox on the cover of tomorrow's edition of People:


They could have simplified that cover a little...

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Mr.Moore is making noises again. Something about peeing oneself in public. Personal experience, I suppose.

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Foolish stuff packed into that. He REALLY needs to find a new job.
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Napia5 wrote:
Hi, Ergon. Thanks for the pictures. One question: If one is standing at the fence where Curalto saw Knox and Sollecito, is there anything aside from the cottage that would hold anyone's interest? Would the spot be a place where people would normally stand to look out and see the lights of the city? I would give more weight to his statements about time, place and who he saw if it were an odd place for anyone to congregate. If there is no pattern of people stopping here to observe the sights, then I believe it would have more firmly registered with him.


hi, napia5. Nothing to view from there. Just the intersection and traffic. This being Curatolo's regular hangout and being streetsmart he would have been aware of his surroundings. Those two, arguing animatedly that night, got his attention.

Seeing as how much effort went into discrediting what he could, or couldn't have seen, i thought I'd see for myself ;)

More pics taken during the day to follow.
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Ergon wrote:
Napia5 wrote:
Hi, Ergon. Thanks for the pictures. One question: If one is standing at the fence where Curalto saw Knox and Sollecito, is there anything aside from the cottage that would hold anyone's interest? Would the spot be a place where people would normally stand to look out and see the lights of the city? I would give more weight to his statements about time, place and who he saw if it were an odd place for anyone to congregate. If there is no pattern of people stopping here to observe the sights, then I believe it would have more firmly registered with him.


hi, napia5. Nothing to view from there. Just the intersection and traffic. This being Curatolo's regular hangout and being streetsmart he would have been aware of his surroundings. Those two, arguing animatedly that night, got his attention.

Seeing as how much effort went into discrediting what he could, or couldn't have seen, i thought I'd see for myself ;)

More pics taken during the day to follow.


That's why I asked, Ergon. Had the spot been a bus stop, where people would ordinarily stand during the day, or a well-known night spot for tourists, someone such as Curatolo might get to the point of seeing, but not really registering people there as they came and went. Take the Skycaps at the airport. They probably pass a hundred people looking up during the day, and don't bother to even glance up to see the airplane. Normal part of the day. But, I bet if they pass ten people, all looking down at something, it will probably register. Not part of the norm.

And I think that's true in this instance. Curatolo, knowing the area as well as he did, it piqued his curiosity that two were noticed, more than once in this area. JMO.

Edited to correct spelling of Curatolo's name.
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‘Good Cops, Bad Cops’ by Timothy Egan (NYT)

Good cops are from Boston and involved in the bombings. Bad cops are from Italy and involved in the Amanda Knox case.
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dgfred wrote:
Foolish stuff packed into that. He REALLY needs to find a new job.


I know. I laughed so hard I almost peed myself!

Talk about ironic. Imagine him talking about someone losing control of themselves and being an embarrassment to others around them. Boy, does this sound familiar.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 3:39 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

DLW wrote:
‘Good Cops, Bad Cops’ by Timothy Egan (NYT)

Good cops are from Boston and involved in the bombings. Bad cops are from Italy and involved in the Amanda Knox case.


Whoa. Timothy Egan says in his article:

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The police procedural in Boston shows what can happen when the authorities keep an open mind and drag a wide net. They need the press, occasionally for help, but more often to keep them honest.


The police need the press to keep them honest? What kind of crap is that?
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Message from Anne Bremner to her 'fans' including those discussing her (bad) behavior for hours on end at .ORG ;)

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 4:00 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Here's the link to Timothy Egan's op-ed piece:

Good Cops, Bad Cops
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THE NEW YORK TIMES (BLOG)

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Nice pics Ergon. Perugia really is a rabbit warren of a city. I still don't know what to make of Curatolo, only that there is a ton of evidence before you even get to him so in some ways, his getting little bits wrong is neither here nor there. Amanda and Raffaele couldn't remember the night before after a joint or two so expecting a long time heroin user to remember stuff perfectly is ridiculous. Let's imagine he's wrong and he didn't see Knox and Sollecito. This doesn't change a confession, a footprint, mixed blood sample and DNA on a knife blade to name but a few things. If he's right and he did see them, then add his statement to the evidence mountain.

Amanda wants John Kercher to read her book and his accusations are painful? I have no words other than rude ones so I'll keep them to myself. Perhaps she wants to get herself clear of the legal system before offering her thoughts on John Kercher and his opinions.
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daisysteiner wrote:
Nice pics Ergon. Perugia really is a rabbit warren of a city. I still don't know what to make of Curatolo, only that there is a ton of evidence before you even get to him so in some ways, his getting little bits wrong is neither here nor there. Amanda and Raffaele couldn't remember the night before after a joint or two so expecting a long time heroin user to remember stuff perfectly is ridiculous. Let's imagine he's wrong and he didn't see Knox and Sollecito. This doesn't change a confession, a footprint, mixed blood sample and DNA on a knife blade to name but a few things. If he's right and he did see them, then add his statement to the evidence mountain.

Amanda wants John Kercher to read her book and his accusations are painful? I have no words other than rude ones so I'll keep them to myself. Perhaps she wants to get herself clear of the legal system before offering her thoughts on John Kercher and his opinions.


I share your view of Curatolo. Had I been on a jury and heard all of the evidence presented, I would have found them both guilty. I believe that Curatolo gave a factual account of what he saw, but, IMO, the case does not stand or fall based upon what he said.

I got a chuckle about the 'rabbit warren' comment. When I viewed the pictures, I was thinking the same thing.
Surprisingly, the last picture Ergon posted gave me the clearest impression. I can really see how taking a jury to a crime scene is really invaluable.
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Andrew Gumbel is back:

"The most valuable thing that books like Amanda's can do is lay out the reasons why the hysteria over her case was woefully misplaced and bring home to readers the human cost of the miscarriage of justice that she and Raffaele suffered as a result," said Andrew Gumbel, author with Raffaele Sollecito of Honour Bound: My Journey to Hell and Back with Amanda Knox.
"Many people in Britain are still addicted to the idea that Amanda was guilty, because it makes for a more sensational story. But it is simply not the case, as the factual record makes abundantly clear."

Amanda Knox reiterates innocence as memoir is published
Rory Carroll in Los Angeles
guardian.co.uk, Friday 26 April 2013 13.46 BST
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/ap ... -published


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As a student of history, I believe the geography of a place is important to understand what happened here? So I collect maps, and wherever I go, seem to find my way around very quickly. The new series of photos I posted at PERUGIA 2013 (Note: very large pictures) shows the intersection of the characters, time, and place. Here, on the night of November 01, 2007, Meredith Kercher is approaching home. From the driveway of the cottage, you can see the ramp of the upper parking space she would have come down right opposite the cottage. From here, you can see the basketball court where Antonio Curatolo observed Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito arguing animatedly both before and after the murder. Rudy Guede, who used to hang around here opposite the University of Foreigners, would have come down the stairs by the basketball court. Sollecito lived just up the road on Corso Garibaldi, an easy five minute walk. Albanian superwitness Hekuran Kokomani ran into all three of them right where the garbage bins would be stacked at the bottom of the street. A car broke down right here, and blocked them from going back to clean up.

More pictures to follow from Perugia.
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Amanda Knox: I hope Meredith Kercher's parents read my book
By Jon Swaine

Speaking at her mother's home in Seattle, Ms Knox described the "tidal wave of relief" at learning in the days after the murder that her own parents immediately believed that she was not responsible. [...]
Ms Knox recounted how the prison chaplain, Don Saulo, helped her by inviting her into his office to talk about literature and politics, allowing her to play his guitar and teaching her to play piano. "Don Saulo saved my life over and over," she said.


THE TELEGRAPH

Knox's religious fervor has more or less evaporated in the meantime...


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Amanda Knox speaks out to magazine before tell-all book hits stores
Posted: Apr 26, 2013 3:36 PM Updated: Apr 26, 2013 5:00 PM
By FOX 10 News - Staff Report
http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/story/22086 ... its-stores (video)

Poll question: Did AK get away with murder?
57,1%: yes
42,9%: no
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Ava wrote:
Amanda Knox speaks out to magazine before tell-all book hits stores
Posted: Apr 26, 2013 3:36 PM Updated: Apr 26, 2013 5:00 PM
By FOX 10 News - Staff Report
http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/story/22086 ... its-stores (video)

Poll question: Did AK get away with murder?
57,1%: yes
42,9%: no


This is a hazy way to word a poll, IMO. Did she get away with murder? I would have voted no, because the SC overturned the appeal. I guess it would depend on how you looked at the question.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 12:15 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Greetings all,

I have a hard time understanding why some people who have been discussing this case for years are too 'disgusted' to read her words? Some of us need to read in order to counter false claims, ferret out the lies and forward our observations to the public. If you are one of the posters slamming and damning her, acting prudish and offended about a book (!) rings pretentious and contrived.
I will read her words (but I won't buy the book).
I have noticed most polls rate her guilty at about 60% (except ABC, which rates her about 70% innocent).
I will counter my gripe with a compliment to the tenacity and emotionally honest discussion by most everybody. Bettina
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Hi tamale. I don't know at this point if I will ever read the book. For the same reasons that I wouldn't want to read a book by Frank Sfarzo if he chronicled his experiences in the United States and Canada. My feelings may change with time. We'll see.
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Well, Bettina, I will be reading her words (to critique them), but, as I did with Raffaele Sollecito's "Boner Hound", I won't be paying for it. I put a hold at my library for "Baiting The Herd" (27 holds so far, 105 books ordered, and this the largest library system in North America).

It should be pointed out to any potential buyer that the publishers placed an embargo on any review copies going out (which the New York Times broke of course) so you can bet HC got caught with their pants down when the Cassazione ruling came out. I also read the People magazine article at the super market today. From that I can tell you that she and her ghost writer ain't the second coming of Francoise Sagan.

In other, more interesting news, Justin Bieber's tour bus was pulled over today and drugs found inside :)
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My penpal Amanda Knox and me
By Simon Hattenstone

At times there is something childlike about the formerly convicted murderer, who I've been writing to for nearly four years

There was something childlike and naive about Knox's letter – the bubble writing, the way she drew the outline of her hands on the paper and said she felt her life was in the hands of others...

Over time her letters became more elaborate with fancy twirly handwriting, and a symbol of freedom attached – a bird, a butterfly or flower. She rarely talked about the crime she was convicted of, preferring to focus on the mosquitos in prison, her hippy singing class, playing guitar in church, visits from her grandmother who looked ever more frail, the death of the family dog, volleyball with the girls, studying in the afternoon, her nice cellmate.


THE GUARDIAN

Her life in Capanne doesn't sound so bad in this account, does it? "Volleyball with the girls" - it almost feels like a school courtyard. And she had a nice cellmate! I thought she was sexually preyed upon by vicious inmates, prison guards, and jail workers.

Nikki Battiste wrote:
Prison life proved rough from the get-go for Knox. ... She says her cell mates were crude and hostile, and that they considered Knox a snob because she liked to read and write. ... Knox ... was a target for inmates and the prosecution too, she writes.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 3:36 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Is Public Interest in Amanda Knox Fading?
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Napia5 wrote:
Hi tamale. I don't know at this point if I will ever read the book. For the same reasons that I wouldn't want to read a book by Frank Sfarzo if he chronicled his experiences in the United States and Canada. My feelings may change with time. We'll see.


Hi my friend...that remark was aimed specifically at another...a little jab in return for a holier than the book attitude. You never cane to mind. OK? heehee
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Ergon wrote:
Well, Bettina, I will be reading her words (to critique them), but, as I did with Raffaele Sollecito's "Boner Hound", I won't be paying for it. I put a hold at my library for "Baiting The Herd" (27 holds so far, 105 books ordered, and this the largest library system in North America).

It should be pointed out to any potential buyer that the publishers placed an embargo on any review copies going out (which the New York Times broke of course) so you can bet HC got caught with their pants down when the Cassazione ruling came out. I also read the People magazine article at the super market today. From that I can tell you that she and her ghost writer ain't the second coming of Francoise Sagan.

In other, more interesting news, Justin Bieber's tour bus was pulled over today and drugs found inside :)


Oh...that is just awful...poor Justin. How much more must he endure,,,makes me wish I were canadian.

To read or not to read, that is the question? Good both ways. I am of the thought if Amanda was worth insulting for 3 plus years, a book might give 'certain poster' new material to hate "the very" thought of her. ?? giggle
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Bedelia wrote the following on .org:

"Let's remember Meredith! If you are in NYC on April 28th, please come to Lincoln Center Plaza at noon, for a peace vigil to honor the victim of this horrible crime.

If you are not in NYC, please advertise to people you know who are, including media figures! Use twitter, email, or phone calls!

Please retweet attend #NYCPeaceVigil4Meredith 4/28 @ 12:00 near the fountain @ Lincoln Center"
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 12:34 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

DLW wrote:
‘Good Cops, Bad Cops’ by Timothy Egan (NYT)

Good cops are from Boston and involved in the bombings. Bad cops are from Italy and involved in the Amanda Knox case.


Thanks, DLW, food to see you again :)

Not so good to see Egan and his bullshit again though...

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 12:35 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

The Machine wrote:
Bedelia wrote the following on .org:

"Let's remember Meredith! If you are in NYC on April 28th, please come to Lincoln Center Plaza at noon, for a peace vigil to honor the victim of this horrible crime.

If you are not in NYC, please advertise to people you know who are, including media figures! Use twitter, email, or phone calls!

Please retweet attend #NYCPeaceVigil4Meredith 4/28 @ 12:00 near the fountain @ Lincoln Center"


Thanks for this, TM.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 12:39 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

I hope everyone is keeping track of all the contradictions between what Knox is stating in her book and interviews and what she stated in her testimony on the stand in the trial and what was proven in trial beyond dispute. Also, the contradictions between her claims and that of Sollecito. Maybe we should start posting the ones we can pick out? I'll kick off with one later.

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guermantes wrote:
My penpal Amanda Knox and me
By Simon Hattenstone

At times there is something childlike about the formerly convicted murderer, who I've been writing to for nearly four years

There was something childlike and naive about Knox's letter – the bubble writing, the way she drew the outline of her hands on the paper and said she felt her life was in the hands of others...

Over time her letters became more elaborate with fancy twirly handwriting, and a symbol of freedom attached – a bird, a butterfly or flower. She rarely talked about the crime she was convicted of, preferring to focus on the mosquitos in prison, her hippy singing class, playing guitar in church, visits from her grandmother who looked ever more frail, the death of the family dog, volleyball with the girls, studying in the afternoon, her nice cellmate.


THE GUARDIAN

Her life in Capanne doesn't sound so bad in this account, does it? "Volleyball with the girls" - it almost feels like a school courtyard. And she had a nice cellmate! I thought she was sexually preyed upon by vicious inmates, prison guards, and jail workers.

Nikki Battiste wrote:
Prison life proved rough from the get-go for Knox. ... She says her cell mates were crude and hostile, and that they considered Knox a snob because she liked to read and write. ... Knox ... was a target for inmates and the prosecution too, she writes.


Something is off in this picture that Nikki Battiste has painted - a bit too dark and negative, maybe?

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The Guardian article is very good. Interesting for what is said and what is unsaid. Two missing words: friend and innocent.
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Amanda Knox on Reclaiming Her Identity: 'I Am Not a Murderer'
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http://www.people.com/people/article/0, ... 15,00.html

Sunday morning scene at Edda's:
"It's a sunny spring Sunday in suburban Seattle, and Amanda Knox and her family are doing what they love: just hanging out at her mom Edda and stepdad Chris's house, listening to some tunes...Cracking open a beer, Chris plays deejay while Amanda mouths the words to a rap tune, bobbing to the beat..."

...

"She realizes, however, that much of the world, riveted by the high-profile case that presented her as a loose American girl who killed in a drug-fueled sex game gone wrong, has yet to be convinced otherwise – doubts recently given credence by Italy's highest court's decision on March 26 to overturn her and Sollecito's acquittals. (Though she has no plans to return to Italy for trial, years of legal wrangling lie ahead.)"
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Ava wrote:
Amanda Knox on Reclaiming Her Identity: 'I Am Not a Murderer'
By Elizabeth Leonard
04/27/2013 at 09:20 AM EDT
http://www.people.com/people/article/0, ... 15,00.html

Sunday morning scene at Edda's:
"It's a sunny spring Sunday in suburban Seattle, and Amanda Knox and her family are doing what they love: just hanging out at her mom Edda and stepdad Chris's house, listening to some tunes...Cracking open a beer, Chris plays deejay while Amanda mouths the words to a rap tune, bobbing to the beat..."

...

"She realizes, however, that much of the world, riveted by the high-profile case that presented her as a loose American girl who killed in a drug-fueled sex game gone wrong, has yet to be convinced otherwise – doubts recently given credence by Italy's highest court's decision on March 26 to overturn her and Sollecito's acquittals. (Though she has no plans to return to Italy for trial, years of legal wrangling lie ahead.)"


Thanks, Ava. Now I'm confused. What, exactly is the truth? Didn't she move out of the family home after a month and move in with her boyfriend? The article says that she "spends time with" him. Is it so hard for people to understand that all the public asks for is a true picture? You know, if Knox feels that her personal life is no one's business, I get that, I really do. It has nothing to do with what took place on November 1, 2007. Then say so. But, for God's sake, don't be a weasel. And that is exactly the way I see this article.

How would the average person see this article? Would you walk away from this thinking that she lives at home and sees her boyfriend on a regualr basis? Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe she no longer has the living arrangement that I was led to believe she did. In my opinion, if you do it, own it.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 4:05 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

daisysteiner wrote:
The Guardian article is very good. Interesting for what is said and what is unsaid. Two missing words: friend and innocent.


Simon Hattenstone wrote:
I first wrote to Amanda Knox after interviewing her mother, Edda Mellas, in September 2009. At the time, Knox had been in custody in Italy for almost two years, accused of murdering the Leeds University student Meredith Kercher.

I sent her a copy of my interview and Knox wrote to thank me, saying she could hear her mother's voice in the piece.


Here is that old Guardian article written by Simon Hattenstone and published in the Guardian Weekend on June 27, 2009:

'Amanda will get out eventually'

This month, Edda Mellas testified at the trial of her daughter Amanda Knox. She talks exclusively to Simon Hattenstone about the honest girl she says she knows and the 'crazed' killer the media has created.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jun/27/amanda-knox-mother-interview

ETA: SH is confused on dates; he interviewed Edda in June 2009 (a couple of weeks after AK's testimony in court), not in September. On second thought, maybe he is right and he wrote to Amanda in September.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 5:53 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

John Follain has written a new article for the Sunday Times, The search begins for the she-devil in the detail. Unfortunately, it's behind a pay wall. All we have are just a few snippets, posted by brmull at .ORG:

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As Knox waits for the retrial due in Florence this autumn — her family say she will not attend but she can be tried in absentia — her memoir is likely to be scrutinised by prosecutors. “If I were a Florence prosecutor, I would take Knox’s book and Sollecito’s book [Honour Bound] and look for contradictions,” one Italian prosecutor said, declining to be named.

“Both Knox and Sollecito are shooting themselves in the foot with these books. It’s a disaster as far as the new trial is concerned. The idea that someone like Knox can write a book and earn money for it, after she’s been definitively convicted of slandering an innocent man and when there’s a new murder trial due — that won’t go down well,” the prosecutor predicted.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 6:42 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Anyone see this yet? [ETA Apologies - G. beat me to it - Dr. M. beat me to it - everyone beat me to it!]

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/a ... ard-447373

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I think the reporter overlooked another potential challenge: HLN's latest hit, Jodi 'I don't remember severing his head' Arias!

The trial judge wants closing arguments wrapped by May 3, so deliberation could begin within 72 hours of Knox's launch.

A controversial result in AZ (i.e., anything less than murder one) might well deliver another serious blow to HC.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 6:56 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

My comment at The Hollywood Reporter:

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Hi, THR. The facts of the case are that three Italian courts, judges Matteini, Micheli, and Massei, found Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito guilty of murdering Meredith Kercher. Italy's highest court, Corte de Cassazione, in finding Rudy Guede guilty, stated that he did not act alone.
I was present at the Cassazione hearing which vacated the appeal court finding of innocence and sent her case back to continue the legal process which I believe will eventually find her and her ex-boyfriend Sollecito guilty of the crime. All I can say, having met with so many decent people in the Italian justice system, that the care with which this case was handled was in no way connected with misogyny, satanism obsession, or any other theory floated by the defense or writers with a movie deal to promote, as George Clooney might well be advised to take note of :)
It now remains to be seen, as far as the sale of this book is concerned, whether the public will be able to see the hype and recognize that 'normal looking' young women are capable of committing murder, especially when its fueled by drugs and alcohol.
This is a young woman who accused an innocent black man, Patrick Lumumba, while protecting her co-accused, Rudy Guede to avoid implicating herself. She caused Lumumba to lose his business, his home, and almost, his marriage. She can't even accept responsibility for that, and is avoiding paying him the piddling compensation amount awarded him by the courts. Anyone who buys her book, is helping her profit from a crime she did commit, sorry.
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There's an excellent article on the BBC website about bad maths in court which includes an interview with Coralie Colmez who is one of the authors of Math on Trial:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22310186
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 12:40 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Amanda Knox: Extraordinary unseen letter that Knox wrote to parents of Meredith Kercher

Locked up as ­a ­murderer, Amanda Knox wrote a ­letter to victim Meredith Kercher’s family saying: “I’m sorry for your loss.” ... “I’m not the one who killed your daughter and sister."
...
The letter was never posted. Knox’s lawyers advised her not to send it in case prosecutors used it to imply she felt guilt.
...
It is published for the first time in her book about her ordeal – Waiting To Be Heard.


THE MIRROR

Extracts from Knox's book have been published in the The Sun:

...The Sun can reveal that Knox admits: “Sometimes I went over things I wish I’d done differently."

“Number one, I would have written to the Kerchers. I wanted to tell them how much I liked their daughter. How lovingly she spoke of her family. Tell them her death was a heartbreak to so many.

“Number two, I’d have written Patrick an apology. Naming him was unforgivable, and he didn’t deserve it, but I wanted to say it wasn’t about him. I was pushed so hard that I’d have named anyone. I was sorry."

“I didn’t write then because Luciano (Ghirga) and Carlo (Dalla Vedova, her two lawyers) said not to contact the Kerchers or Patrick. ‘They’ll think it’s a sympathy ploy,’ they said.

“This made sense in the months after my arrest, but as my appeal approached, I had to set the wrongs right."

“I wrote letters to both Patrick and the Kerchers."
...


THE SUN

Knox's apologies ring hollow, vacant of sincerity or remorse. Her carefully choreographed steps on the road to redemption are too little, too late.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 2:05 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Knox wrote:
“I liked her a lot and she seemed to enjoy being with me. And we did what all girls do; we talked about the guys we liked in Perugia and the ones we’d left behind."

“Months later Meredith’s friends, our room-mates, and especially the prosecutor, would say that Meredith’s and my relationship had soured — that we had fought over men, my manners, money."

“This wasn’t true. We never argued about anything. We were just getting to know each other, and I thought we’d developed a comfortable familiarity in a short time.”


Of course, it's easy for her to say that - Meredith isn't here to tell her side of the story.

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Within two weeks of arriving back in Perugia to begin her study, she met “Mirko”. He invited her for a pizza and suggested they eat at his house.
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“I was proud of myself for having a no-strings-attached consensual encounter, but I felt awkward and out of place. I didn’t yet know if I’d regret it. Later I told Meredith about the sex and feeling ‘like an idiot.’


Okay, this confirms it - she was usually the one that started conversations about sex and her sex life.
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She also calls Meredith 'demure' and 'mainstream" in her book Which kind of sounds like prudish and boring. Meredith already confirmed that she didn't like the sex talk. A good example was the story Amanda told of appearing nude in front of a friend's boyfriend. The trumped up prison sex innuendo is just the next chapter.
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I'm delighted to see that the most read article on the BBC website is about Amanda Knox and bad maths in court:

Most Read

1 Amanda Knox and bad maths in court
2 Duke 'well' despite eye injury
3 Fatal aircraft crash investigated
4 Mother tells of Dubai 'torture'
5 M9 death teenager named by police

http://www.bbc.co.uk
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She also calls Meredith 'demure' and 'mainstream" in her book Which kind of sounds like prudish and boring.

Mainstream is a comparison with her own projection of herself constantly as "goofy", "interesting". Knox didn't even write this crap - she's semi literate. It's all from Knox though. Knox killed Meredith Kercher and she's making money out of this. Insulting, still displaying her resentment. As she did in court. She can't help it. Her issues remain with Meredith.
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ttrroonniicc wrote:
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She also calls Meredith 'demure' and 'mainstream" in her book Which kind of sounds like prudish and boring.

Mainstream is a comparison with her own projection of herself constantly as "goofy", "interesting".Knox didn't even write this crap - she's semi literate. It's all from Knox though. Knox killed Meredith Kercher and she's making money out of this. Insulting, still displaying her resentment. As she did in court. She can't help it. Her issues remain with Meredith.


That's exactly it, tron! Reading some of the reviews and comments is like trying to critique a moviescript. There is a ghostwriter, editor, people to polish up and spin the information. And, right now, the media is also presenting their opinion what these excerpts mean. This is not evidence. This is not testimony under oath. As with Sollecito, Knox may find herself in deeper trouble with additional lawsuits, But I doubt she will say anything of value in terms of provable evidence.
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ttrroonniicc wrote:
malvern wrote:
She also calls Meredith 'demure' and 'mainstream" in her book Which kind of sounds like prudish and boring.

Mainstream is a comparison with her own projection of herself constantly as "goofy", "interesting". Knox didn't even write this crap - she's semi literate. It's all from Knox though. Knox killed Meredith Kercher and she's making money out of this. Insulting, still displaying her resentment. As she did in court. She can't help it. Her issues remain with Meredith.

It's almost funny how boring and full of clichés all her stories are in comparison with this self-image...
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guermantes wrote:
Amanda Knox: Extraordinary unseen letter that Knox wrote to parents of Meredith Kercher

Locked up as ­a ­murderer, Amanda Knox wrote a ­letter to victim Meredith Kercher’s family saying: “I’m sorry for your loss.” ... “I’m not the one who killed your daughter and sister."
...
The letter was never posted. Knox’s lawyers advised her not to send it in case prosecutors used it to imply she felt guilt.
...
It is published for the first time in her book about her ordeal – Waiting To Be Heard.


THE MIRROR

Extracts from Knox's book have been published in the The Sun:

...The Sun can reveal that Knox admits: “Sometimes I went over things I wish I’d done differently."

“Number one, I would have written to the Kerchers. I wanted to tell them how much I liked their daughter. How lovingly she spoke of her family. Tell them her death was a heartbreak to so many.

“Number two, I’d have written Patrick an apology. Naming him was unforgivable, and he didn’t deserve it, but I wanted to say it wasn’t about him. I was pushed so hard that I’d have named anyone. I was sorry."

“I didn’t write then because Luciano (Ghirga) and Carlo (Dalla Vedova, her two lawyers) said not to contact the Kerchers or Patrick. ‘They’ll think it’s a sympathy ploy,’ they said.

“This made sense in the months after my arrest, but as my appeal approached, I had to set the wrongs right."

“I wrote letters to both Patrick and the Kerchers."
...


THE SUN

Knox's apologies ring hollow, vacant of sincerity or remorse. Her carefully choreographed steps on the road to redemption are too little, too late.


Since with Mandy anything's possible, she might have well written those letters while preparing her book, i.e. after the appeal.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 4:19 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Ava wrote:
It's almost funny how boring and full of clichés all her stories are in comparison with this self-image...


Ava, I agree. I'm seriously reconsidering whether I want to read Knox's book. She's so boring, fake and uninteresting, which is just frightening. She's acting a "sweet girl" in front of cameras, though. Nothing new, and irritating. I hope her book is a massive flop!
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Knox's picture in today's SUN (tweeted by an admirer):

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 8:04 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Nina Burleigh commenting on MSNBC (where is Anne Bremner?)

Amanda Knox opens up about experiences in prison (video)

http://video.msnbc.msn.com/weekends-wit ... 3#51694343

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>>> now to the trial that captivated italy and the book being released. amanda knox "waiting to be heard" she found out last month she will be retried.

>>> joining my nina burly [sic], whose own book chronicled her time. nina , nice to see you. she reveals during her time in prison that doctors lied that she was hiv-positive. she thought about suicide. she fought off advances by a guard. how important do you think it was for her to write this book and get this published?

>> well, it was important for her to get out of jail. i think that was the first thing. the second is what kind of information is in that book, what is it that we're going to learn. from all the accounts that i have read, you know, prison is pretty boring, it's a pretty boring place. so unless she had kind of revealed something about what happened that night that we didn't already know about, or something about the case itself that we didn't already know about, i think we were, you know, we're going to be kind of underwhelm underwhelmed. was it important to write the book? well, you know, for her to have gone through four years in prison without being ability [sic] to get compensated for it through the italian system, the fact that harper collins gave her $4 million to write it, reportedly, is some sense of compensation for the time spent in prison.

>> but we have to also remember that a young woman lost her life that day in italy of knox says he wants them to read the book. are they going to get something if they read the book?

>> they're not going to get anything from reading the book, as far as i can tell. that family is very convinced that amanda knox killed their daughter. so they're not going to be reading the book. i think they're very upset about the fact that she got that much money, and one of the reasons why they're not publishing the book in the uk is that there are apparently lots of libel laws, it's easier to file a libel suit there, so they're not going to be satisfied by it.

>> real quick, nina , were you surprised when the high court in italy ordered a retrial?

>> yes, i was, absolutely. i was surprised. there isn't a lot of evidence that these two young people were involved in the case, but then again, the italian system has to work its way through. it's different from ours. it's legitimate for them. the prosecutor can bring an appeal.
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This month, Edda Mellas testified at the trial of her daughter Amanda Knox. She talks exclusively to Simon Hattenstone about the honest girl she says she knows and the 'crazed' killer the media has created.


It's funny how Edda and the rest of the FOA are fond of demonizing the media and blaming them for distorting Amanda's image and reputation, yet at the same time they are not averse to using that same "evil" media for their pro-Amanda propaganda messages.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 8:24 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

The "lone wolf" theory makes a comeback. This blog post is suspiciously full of all the usual FOA talking points:

The Amanda Knox Circus -- Again

By Edward Jay Epstein,
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HUFFINGTON POST
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guermantes wrote:
The "lone wolf" theory makes a comeback. This blog post is suspiciously full of all the usual FOA talking points:

The Amanda Knox Circus -- Again

By Edward Jay Epstein,
Author, 'The Annals of Unsolved Crime'

HUFFINGTON POST


Thank you,guermantes. I have now seen everything. A HuffPo article with Knox in the title and 0 comments!!
Never thought I would live to see the day. Must be a Groupie high holy day.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 8:58 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

GOOGLE TRANSLATION:

Amanda Knox is never alone

Amanda Knox, the young American woman first convicted and then acquitted for the murder of her friend and companion of English university Meredith Kercher in Perugia, waiting for the new process decided by the Italian judiciary is now at his home in America, which would be difficult extradited - at least according to some experts - to serve any sentence, if it were convicted in third grade. In about four years she spent in prison between judicial proceedings and the other, the girl had started a correspondence with a reporter from the London Guardian, who today tells something of the letters he sent to Knox. The reporter tells that Amanda almost always ended her letters with a sentence in Italian: "I know I'm not alone even when I'm alone" (is the verse of a song by Chris Brown). The question left unresolved by the process is if it was just Rudy Guede, the man who is so far the only condemned (for "complicity in murder", or for a murder committed along with others) for the brutal death of Meredith, and where it was , with whom and what he was doing Amanda that night in November 2007. In his autobiography, just out in the United States, for which she seems to have received $ 4 million, the young woman claims that her boyfriend was in the apartment at the time, and co-accused for the murder, Raffaele Sollecito, smoking marijuana and watch the movie "Amélie". Guilty or innocent, perhaps it is true that now Amanda is never alone: ​​there must always be with her the ghost of Meredith, to remind her what she did, or did not do.


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Napia5 wrote:

Thank you,guermantes. I have now seen everything. A HuffPo article with Knox in the title and 0 comments!!
Never thought I would live to see the day. Must be a Groupie high holy day.


Well, whatever messages were left are presumably still pending approval. I left one, but I'll be very surprised if it goes through, since it criticises the article itself.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 9:01 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Murphy: The evidence still points to Amanda Knox

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Earl Grey wrote:
guermantes wrote:
This month, Edda Mellas testified at the trial of her daughter Amanda Knox. She talks exclusively to Simon Hattenstone about the honest girl she says she knows and the 'crazed' killer the media has created.


It's funny how Edda and the rest of the FOA are fond of demonizing the media and blaming them for distorting Amanda's image and reputation, yet at the same time they are not averse to using that same "evil" media for their pro-Amanda propaganda messages.

Projection, maybe? It's all so transparent and yet it seems to be getting worse and worse...
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 9:16 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Michael wrote:
GOOGLE TRANSLATION:

Amanda Knox is never alone

LA REPUBBLICA


Thanks for the article, Michael. The last line was perfect:

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Guilty or innocent, perhaps it is true that now Amanda is never alone: ​​there must always be with her the ghost of Meredith, to remind her what she did, or did not do.
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guermantes wrote:
Ava wrote:
It's almost funny how boring and full of clichés all her stories are in comparison with this self-image...


Ava, I agree. I'm seriously reconsidering whether I want to read Knox's book. She's so boring, fake and uninteresting, which is just frightening. She's acting a "sweet girl" in front of cameras, though. Nothing new, and irritating. I hope her book is a massive flop!

Yes, the emptiness is somehow frightening. If you make it through the entire 500 pages, you are very brave ;)
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 9:22 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

guermantes wrote:
Michael wrote:
GOOGLE TRANSLATION:

Amanda Knox is never alone

LA REPUBBLICA


Thanks for the article, Michael. The last line was perfect:

Quote:
Guilty or innocent, perhaps it is true that now Amanda is never alone: ​​there must always be with her the ghost of Meredith, to remind her what she did, or did not do.


I think Knox and her family are starting to realise this.

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Earl Grey wrote:
Napia5 wrote:

Thank you,guermantes. I have now seen everything. A HuffPo article with Knox in the title and 0 comments!!
Never thought I would live to see the day. Must be a Groupie high holy day.


Well, whatever messages were left are presumably still pending approval. I left one, but I'll be very surprised if it goes through, since it criticises the article itself.


Quite odd. I used to post there frequently when I was going through my "I'm-so-gullible-that-I-actually-believe-that-there-are-reasonable-people-here-who-believe-they-are-innocent" phase, but I got over that fast and found this site.

I did develop a permanent tic in my left eye from reading their comments, though.
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I'm really starting to wish that the High Court Motivations Report will hurry up already.

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Napia5 wrote:
Earl Grey wrote:
Napia5 wrote:

Thank you,guermantes. I have now seen everything. A HuffPo article with Knox in the title and 0 comments!!
Never thought I would live to see the day. Must be a Groupie high holy day.


Well, whatever messages were left are presumably still pending approval. I left one, but I'll be very surprised if it goes through, since it criticises the article itself.


Quite odd. I used to post there frequently when I was going through my "I'm-so-gullible-that-I-actually-believe-that-there-are-reasonable-people-here-who-believe-they-are-innocent" phase, but I got over that fast and found this site.

I did develop a permanent tic in my left eye from reading their comments, though.


I too came to a similar conclusion long ago, and the tic I got in my eye made it harder to hold onto my monocle, so I quit posting under articles. But today I was incredibly outraged when I read over on the other board about Brmull's harassment at the hands of the Moores. So, in response, I sort of made a vow to myself to start posting under articles at Huffington Post, etc., again.

Only I don't think I'll actively engage other posters-- or at least try not to. Instead I'll just copy and paste my own counter-propaganda, if I can call it that.
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Ms Knox recounted how the prison chaplain, Don Saulo, helped her by inviting her into his office to talk about literature and politics, allowing her to play his guitar and teaching her to play piano. "Don Saulo saved my life over and over," she said.

What's this? Don Saulo was actually alone with Amanda and never made a pass at her or talked about sex? I thought she was supposed to be irresistible and that everyone at the prison was a sexual deviant with designs on the falsely convicted Amanda.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:21 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Michael wrote:
I'm really starting to wish that the High Court Motivations Report will hurry up already.


And a couple of international arrest warrants would bring relief and satisfaction to many.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:35 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Earl Grey wrote:
Michael wrote:
I'm really starting to wish that the High Court Motivations Report will hurry up already.


And a couple of international arrest warrants would bring relief and satisfaction to many.


Hi EG. Ahh yes, but those are still rather a long way down the road. I'll be content with the SC Report and a second degree court date just for now.

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Earl Grey wrote:
Napia5 wrote:
Earl Grey wrote:
Napia5 wrote:

Thank you,guermantes. I have now seen everything. A HuffPo article with Knox in the title and 0 comments!!
Never thought I would live to see the day. Must be a Groupie high holy day.


Well, whatever messages were left are presumably still pending approval. I left one, but I'll be very surprised if it goes through, since it criticises the article itself.


Quite odd. I used to post there frequently when I was going through my "I'm-so-gullible-that-I-actually-believe-that-there-are-reasonable-people-here-who-believe-they-are-innocent" phase, but I got over that fast and found this site.

I did develop a permanent tic in my left eye from reading their comments, though.


I too came to a similar conclusion long ago, and the tic I got in my eye made it harder to hold onto my monocle, so I quit posting under articles. But today I was incredibly outraged when I read over on the other board about Brmull's harassment at the hands of the Moores. So, in response, I sort of made a vow to myself to start posting under articles at Huffington Post, etc., again.

Only I don't think I'll actively engage other posters-- or at least try not to. Instead I'll just copy and paste my own counter-propaganda, if I can call it that.


BRMull is a thorn that the FOAKers have been trying to get out of their side for a very long time. It would be a travesty if the Moores' "chilling effect" was allowed to succeed. In fact, I think their bullying strategy should be brought to the attention of the public and media via a headline article on TJMK. That's the way to counter cyber bullying and such dishonourable underhand tactics.


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Napia5 wrote:
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The "lone wolf" theory makes a comeback. This blog post is suspiciously full of all the usual FOA talking points:

The Amanda Knox Circus -- Again

By Edward Jay Epstein,
Author, 'The Annals of Unsolved Crime'

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Thank you,guermantes. I have now seen everything. A HuffPo article with Knox in the title and 0 comments!!
Never thought I would live to see the day. Must be a Groupie high holy day.


My comment made it through!

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There are two factual errors here which the author needs to correct.
a) Amanda Knox does not have to be sent to Italy to 'stand trial', since she can be tried in absentia, which is allowable under Italian law, the jurisdiction in which the crime occurred. Should she be found guilty, the US will have to honor any extradition request, which any lawyer can tell you will an international treaty trumps the US constitution.
b) He should also be aware that the prosecutor he names, Giuliano Mignini, has no further standing in this case, and Amanda Knox will be tried by a different court and prosecutor general. It seems the Knox camp is afraid of the outcome.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 11:53 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Ergon wrote:
Napia5 wrote:
guermantes wrote:
The "lone wolf" theory makes a comeback. This blog post is suspiciously full of all the usual FOA talking points:

The Amanda Knox Circus -- Again

By Edward Jay Epstein,
Author, 'The Annals of Unsolved Crime'

HUFFINGTON POST


Thank you,guermantes. I have now seen everything. A HuffPo article with Knox in the title and 0 comments!!
Never thought I would live to see the day. Must be a Groupie high holy day.


My comment made it through!

Quote:
There are two factual errors here which the author needs to correct.
a) Amanda Knox does not have to be sent to Italy to 'stand trial', since she can be tried in absentia, which is allowable under Italian law, the jurisdiction in which the crime occurred. Should she be found guilty, the US will have to honor any extradition request, which any lawyer can tell you will an international treaty trumps the US constitution.
b) He should also be aware that the prosecutor he names, Giuliano Mignini, has no further standing in this case, and Amanda Knox will be tried by a different court and prosecutor general. It seems the Knox camp is afraid of the outcome.


I just checked. There are 2 comments posted and 11 pending. I don't see yours, Ergon. I can't even get recognized!
They must not like me anymore. Darn.
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Hmm. Just in case, here's my second one which shows up. Hope that isn't a false positive, like some HIV tests ;) where it shows up for me but still is pending?

Quote:
You might also want to correct your statement "which an appellate court had found there was absolutely no evidence that she committed".
That finding, having been annulled, as is PM Mignini's indictment and conviction, no longer exists. If you do correct your errors, that is.
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Hmm. Just in case, here's my second one which shows up. Hope that isn't a false positive, like some HIV tests ;) where it shows up for me but still is pending?

Quote:
You might also want to correct your statement "which an appellate court had found there was absolutely no evidence that she committed".
That finding, having been annulled, as is PM Mignini's indictment and conviction, no longer exists. If you do correct your errors, that is.


Nope. 4 comments posted 12 pending. None are yours.
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TODAY | April 28, 2013
Amanda Knox lawyer: ‘She’s doing remarkably well’
Amanda Knox has kept a low profile since her release from Italian prison a year and a half ago, but speaks out about her ordeal in a new memoir. Her lawyer Theodore Simon told TODAY’s Lester Holt about the book and what Knox can expect from the Italian justice system.



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Transcript from the above:

This content comes from Closed Captioning that was broadcast along with this program.

>>> amanda knox is speaking out at length for the first time since being released from an italian prison. she's the american exchange student found guilty of killing her roommate in italy . that guilty verdict was overturned, but italy 's highest court jumped in and ruled she could face a new trial. we'll talk to her attorney about the case in just a moment. first, michelle franzen reports on how knox is attempting to set the record straight .

>> amanda !

>> reporter: amanda knox has kept a low profile since her release from prison a year and a half ago. that, after an italian court overturned the murder convictions of knox and her then-boyfriend rafael saw cito. her roommate was brutally murdered in the small italian village. knox and her family spent four years battling the murder charges. in her new memoir, "waiting to be heard," knox is speaking out about her ordeal. writing about how prosecutors made her life in prison miserable. in an interview with "people" magazine, knox says, "i am not a murderer," and details her case and emotional journey.

>> amanda describes her ordeal as being one where her privacy was invaded, where the guards were learing and touching and in her space.

>> reporter: knox has maintained from the beginning she is not the villain or vixen prosecutors alleged. douglas preston , author of the book "the monster of florence," has spoken to knox and believes her book will offer the public a different view of knox .

>> the only time we have heard from amanda knox is when she testified in her own defense at her trial, an she's been resolutely silent, you know, since her return to america. so this is really her first time speaking about the case.

>> reporter: last month, italy 's highest court overturned knox 's and sollecito's acquittals, and now they await the possible retrial of a trial. knox says she has no plans to go back to italy for a new trial. for "today," michelle franzen , nbc news.

>>> ted simon is amanda knox 's attorney. he join us from philadelphia for the latest on her case. ted, good morning. thanks for coming on with us.

>> good morning, lester.

>> it's been quite a month for amanda knox , the reversal of her acquittal and now the book. how is she holding up? have you spoken to her recently?

>> absolutely. i speak to her quite often. she's doing remarkably well.

>> remind me now what this appeals court -- what the supreme court essentially did here. was their concern the facts of the case, the dna, the evidence? or was it more procedural?

>> good point. it was a procedural ruling. let's be clear. the supreme court simply said there should be a revision, and the supreme court is sending it back to a new appellate court jury for some further redeterminations. we don't know the extent of that yet, the motivation, the opinion has not been generated. but let's not forget. the appellate court jury that conducted a search and inquiry into this case determined, unmistakably, whether it what to do with prosecution witness testimony, prosecution physical evidence , or prosecution forensic conclusions, it concluded that it was either absent, nonexistent, unreliable, inaccurate, or simply not there. so nothing substantially has happened with regard to the evidence. there was no evidence. there is no evidence. and there never will be any evidence.

>> let me ask you this, though. with the book about to come out, are you at all concerned that anything she wrote -- anything she put in that book in her own defense -- might contradict something in the case and might become problematic in this process?

>> well, you know, it's an understandable question, and i'm sure everyone will carefully review this book. but i think for those that do read the book, they're going to find it thoughtful, vividly descriptive, with a healthy dose of introspection. and it's quite poignant. you know, she has the ability to take the reader into the situation, into her experience, as if they're virtually accompanying her through this nightmarish and harrowing journey.

>> and i want to ask you a question, michelle franzen in her report noted that amanda is not going to italy . is she even required to be there now for this process? and would she go back if reconvicted?

>> well, you know, i think it's -- you know, it's a fair question that people pose. but we have to look at this through the lens of the criminal justice system in italy . not the way it's conducted in the u.s. and what we know is that on this particular remand or revision, it's not legally required for her to be there. and with respect to the points raised by the prosecution, which we don't know which ones will be adopted or not, but the supreme court , as to those particular points, it's unnecessary. it doesn't involve her. so it's either not required or unnecessary. so those kind of issues are really not on the legal landscape at this point, and they're not even in the legal telescope, because they're simply not required. and we can view this as an american might look at an american case. we must look at it through the lens of the criminal justice system in italy . it's simply not required. and ultimately, there's no reason to believe that anything else will happen, but another not guilty, since there's simply no evidence and there never was any evidence. and never will be any evidence.

>> great to talk to you. thank you for coming on with us. appreciate it.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 12:30 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

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Thank you,guermantes. I have now seen everything. A HuffPo article with Knox in the title and 0 comments!!
Never thought I would live to see the day. Must be a Groupie high holy day.


Well, whatever messages were left are presumably still pending approval. I left one, but I'll be very surprised if it goes through, since it criticises the article itself.


Quite odd. I used to post there frequently when I was going through my "I'm-so-gullible-that-I-actually-believe-that-there-are-reasonable-people-here-who-believe-they-are-innocent" phase, but I got over that fast and found this site.

I did develop a permanent tic in my left eye from reading their comments, though.


I too came to a similar conclusion long ago, and the tic I got in my eye made it harder to hold onto my monocle, so I quit posting under articles. But today I was incredibly outraged when I read over on the other board about Brmull's harassment at the hands of the Moores. So, in response, I sort of made a vow to myself to start posting under articles at Huffington Post, etc., again.

Only I don't think I'll actively engage other posters-- or at least try not to. Instead I'll just copy and paste my own counter-propaganda, if I can call it that.


BRMull is a thorn that the FOAKers have been trying to get out of their side for a very long time. It would be a travesty if the Moores' "chilling effect" was allowed to succeed. In fact, I think their bullying strategy should be brought to the attention of the public and media via a headline article on TJMK. That's the way to counter cyber bullying and such dishonourable underhand tactics.


I totally agree, Michael. I would also like to know if the Moores are publicly taking responsibility for this.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 12:41 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

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I totally agree, Michael. I would also like to know if the Moores are publicly taking responsibility for this.


Yes, and someone needs to put that question to them directly (on the record), so that they can confirm or deny it (or any subsequent refusal by them to do either can be inferred as a confirmation). There needs to be some confirmation on this. That, I think, would be more appropriately sought by someone from .org.

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The implication is that it was them, but that hasn't been confirmed, Michael. Speaking for myself, I find these tactics disgusting, and designed to silence a persistent critic. I wish brmull well. He didn't deserve this.
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The implication is that it was them, but that hasn't been confirmed, Michael. Speaking for myself, I find these tactics disgusting, and designed to silence a persistent critic. I wish brmull well. He didn't deserve this.


Absolutely. And it will not stand.

However, further confirmation should be sought. Then it can be taken to the next level.

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She also calls Meredith 'demure' and 'mainstream" in her book Which kind of sounds like prudish and boring. Meredith already confirmed that she didn't like the sex talk. A good example was the story Amanda told of appearing nude in front of a friend's boyfriend. The trumped up prison sex innuendo is just the next chapter.


I'll translate that from Knox into English for you: Meredith went to Italy to study and so was boring, whereas I (Amanda Knox) went there just to get laid and drugged up and that therefore, makes me exciting.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 6:13 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

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I'll translate that from Knox into English for you: Meredith went to Italy to study and so was boring, whereas I (Amanda Knox) went there just to get laid and drugged up and that therefore, makes me exciting.


You are so right, Michael. Read this piece in the New Yorker, a sort of post-feminist take on Knox's adventures in Italy :roll:

Foreign Story
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...Knox went to Europe with the guileless project of seeking to be debauched. She argues that what was later held up as evidence of depravity was only another aspect of artlessness.


THE NEW YORKER

It seems this post-feminist journalism in not only here to stay but spreading....and Amanda Knox has been made into its poster girl, resulting in this seemingly blind loyalty that puts her on a pedestal as a typical example of a young American woman experimenting with sexuality. Meredith's murder is mentioned only marginally. Sigh.
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I don't see post feminism spreading much beyond the media and the chattering classes. I'm sure the book will do reasonably well, considering the amount of promotion behind it. It will still, be a flop. 750,000 copies? I doubt that very much, and am only sorry for the trees :(
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Amanda Knox 'proud' of one-night stands, pot-smoking habit
Daily Mail April 29, 2013 7:04AM
http://www.news.com.au/world-news/north ... 6631267701

"Yesterday, when Miss Kercher's mother Arline was asked if she would read the autobiography, she said: "I really don't know.""
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I don't see post feminism spreading much beyond the media and the chattering classes. I'm sure the book will do reasonably well, considering the amount of promotion behind it. It will still, be a flop. 750,000 copies? I doubt that very much, and am only sorry for the trees :(


Post feminism? WTH? Don't tell me that there's a whole new list out there of things that make me politically incorrect. I'm still stuck on the last one where I get criticized for finding it charming when a man holds a door for me.

Please don't tell me there's more. I already burned my bra. And spent years scrubbing machine oil from under my fingernails. There's more? I'm going back to bed. The one I bought and paid for myself. The one I bought the sheets for.
The sheets I washed myself. The bed I already made. In the house where I do most of the repairs. That sits on a lawn that I frequently mow. With a mower I paid for. After feeding 5 kids, who eat food that I cook.

Yep, I'm going back to bed. I can do it all. Now, somebody please wake me when you figure out why it was that I wanted to.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 11:59 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Amanda Knox says she wrote a letter to murdered Meredith Kercher's family
Charlie Cooper Monday 29 April 2013
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/cr ... 94559.html

"Knox also writes of how she spent “more time with Meredith than anyone else” during her first month in Perugia."
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Striking, I found, was how Knox worded the bit about Meredith's parents considering her as one of the guilty.

Her wording said exactly the opposite of what she was there trying to force onto the public eye.

She said, along the lines of: that her father thinks I am STILL guilty.

I am guessing that what she wanted to say, was; her father still thinks I am guilty

What I would ask her then, is at what point, if you were and remain, thus, ARE guilty, do you get to be UNGUILTY, yes, NOT GUILTY?

YOU either are or are not guilty. If you are guilty, then you were guilty, and nothing in the world can change that FACT.

So, he thinks ''I am still guilty''.

Yes dear, you were... so are.

What, you were guilty and somehow it NEVER HAPPENED, as in I am no longer guilty?

Oh yes, of course dear, and we were all born yesterday.

Listen, these things go way beyond the abnormalities of human inability to reason or be reasonable, and no matter how much you try to twist things, well the knots just keep getting tighter in the tangled web you weave.

Oh Knotty Knox, the pipes are calling, he thinks I am still guilty, listen sir, I was guilty but now I am no longer guilty.


La la la la la
land
la la la la la

Next week Knox page 3 of the Sun and Tommy Jones thinks she looks hot so , mmm, well murder, don't care, look at those legs folks, she was just a young sex mad girl, give her a break, she was just a fun loving murdering toker, wouldn't you wanna poke 'er.

Sorry to be crude but this is an actual summary of the level at which the intellect is being ATTACKED, with such nonsense.


I think she ought to have a gay wedding with her chum there... MADPAX.

All that about... my god, there was a lesbian, actually approached her, my goooooood, in a prison? my goooooooooooooooooooooooooood, that was god not good.



Must say I have never heard of such a thing in my entire life, a woman in jail was a lesbian.

Oh help, oh dear, a lesbi-----------eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen.

Nearly got her.

Solopycho, well, he may be a different story, after getting gang raped by 10 lifers, the prison chief came in while the Barmy from Bari was still bound to the bunk, upon hearing the sad tale, raped by 10 body building lifers, the chief dropped his khaki pants and said, well it just ain't your lucky day is it.
Whereupon Mr Solopsycho said, oh no, many a turnip drop must fall, but it's all, in the game. She had no sense of reality

Chief: Shut your cackling, whatever are you talking about?

Papa: But did ya not get gangbanged by a bunch of sailors son in that jail there, your best pal from across the pond, what's her name again? ...Oh yeah, I remember 'Misery', was pursued by a lesbian, now who in the world would have imagined that, not me, I thought if you are locked up for 5 to 30 that you and everyone else would never think of such a thing, I wouldn't, would you son?


Son: No papa, no I certainly would not, but there was one black man, African, tall, muscular, not funny, he followed me to the shower but, well, I was afraid he would say the strange thing, so I accused him of racism, yes dad accused that black African of being a plain old racist, I told them that he said ' you dirty Italian' to me officer. After that he was shipped out, I don't know where to, maybe a labour camp.


Dad: Well son, it is nice to talk about these things, do you know though, who is next? Anyone you don't like? Apart from me and your lawyers and most other Italians? How's your book doing, what 3 copies last week to the Salvation Army. Great. Everything's coming up roses now ain't it!!!
Can you get me some Swiss chocolate and yourself some new lawyers, you've insulted the others and they're fed up with you. Oh I see, you will defend yourself, it's your right, good, then maybe we'll all get some peace, you idiot, if I may be so free to say so myself. What's that, what was that you said son? .... loved you in the AMERICA, oh yeah, well, ain't that just fine, when you ain't getting to go to court there are ya.

Solopsycho, after all dad has done for him, gives him an early birthday present, a filled condom, and says, I owe you this.

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Napia5 wrote:
Ergon wrote:
I don't see post feminism spreading much beyond the media and the chattering classes. I'm sure the book will do reasonably well, considering the amount of promotion behind it. It will still, be a flop. 750,000 copies? I doubt that very much, and am only sorry for the trees :(


Post feminism? WTH? Don't tell me that there's a whole new list out there of things that make me politically incorrect. I'm still stuck on the last one where I get criticized for finding it charming when a man holds a door for me.

Please don't tell me there's more. I already burned my bra. And spent years scrubbing machine oil from under my fingernails. There's more? I'm going back to bed. The one I bought and paid for myself. The one I bought the sheets for.
The sheets I washed myself. The bed I already made. In the house where I do most of the repairs. That sits on a lawn that I frequently mow. With a mower I paid for. After feeding 5 kids, who eat food that I cook.

Yep, I'm going back to bed. I can do it all. Now, somebody please wake me when you figure out why it was that I wanted to.


Post feminism is when some women realized they couldn't blame everything on the 'patriarchy' no more so decided to trot out 'misogyny' instead. I'd rather read Camille Paglia and Germaine Greer than Nina Burleigh and Joan Smith (of the Guardian) any day.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 1:17 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Welcome back, zorba. You missed the part where the obsessed fans of Amanda Knox accused us of being obsessed with her. la-) No, but I would love to see her fMRI and PET scans ;)
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 1:23 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Ava wrote:
Amanda Knox says she wrote a letter to murdered Meredith Kercher's family
Charlie Cooper Monday 29 April 2013
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/cr ... 94559.html

"Knox also writes of how she spent “more time with Meredith than anyone else” during her first month in Perugia."


The month she ripped out the diary pages? THAT I would love to read. Not her prison scribblings.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 5:05 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Napia5 wrote:
Ergon wrote:
I don't see post feminism spreading much beyond the media and the chattering classes. I'm sure the book will do reasonably well, considering the amount of promotion behind it. It will still, be a flop. 750,000 copies? I doubt that very much, and am only sorry for the trees :(


Post feminism? WTH? Don't tell me that there's a whole new list out there of things that make me politically incorrect. I'm still stuck on the last one where I get criticized for finding it charming when a man holds a door for me.

Please don't tell me there's more. I already burned my bra. And spent years scrubbing machine oil from under my fingernails. There's more? I'm going back to bed. The one I bought and paid for myself. The one I bought the sheets for.
The sheets I washed myself. The bed I already made. In the house where I do most of the repairs. That sits on a lawn that I frequently mow. With a mower I paid for. After feeding 5 kids, who eat food that I cook.

Yep, I'm going back to bed. I can do it all. Now, somebody please wake me when you figure out why it was that I wanted to.


Hi Napia, I can totally sympathize with you. :) Apparently, there is already post post feminism; we don't know where it will lead - we may end up living in a childless society one day. I find these feminist writings mildly amusing. What is more troubling is that these female journalists rashly come to Knox's defense - just so to protect her 'right to choose' and her freedom not to submit to 'contemporary pressures'. She can be assured of their support. They are going to love and praise her book. Oh, and I was fully expecting them to bring up Henry James's Daisy Miller and Isabel Archer in order to justify Knox's fast and loose behavior.

The question for me is: does Knox cleverly use this first line of self-defense - "I was only experimenting with my sexuality but it was interpreted as depravity" - to appeal to a certain brand of feminism or is she merely a product of her times? I'm beginning to wonder if someone has perhaps suggested this angle to her: maybe Nina Burleigh gave her this idea (Knox corresponded with her while in jail.) Or, maybe, as a true chameleon, Knox can feel the trend and tells people what they want to hear (hence her belated attempt to apologize to Patrick and the Kerchers.) She can pull at her audience's heart strings as the misunderstood girl next door and the next moment can become the sultry seductress.

What surprises me is that it's so hard for those journalists to believe that Knox might have gone too far in her sexual experiments resulting in a "drug-fueled orgy". They just stop short of admitting the possibility that she might have gone off the rails that night in November 2007. 'No', they say, 'she couldn't have done something so awful.' But why not? Where is the guarantee that she couldn't?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 5:07 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

So I understand that Andrea Vogt will probably release state department cables about the case. I believe this is the first one:
http://extras.seattlepi.com/pdf/amandaknox_cable.pdf
More is explained in this article:
http://www.seattlepi.com/amanda-knox/ar ... 383417.php
Anything we can expect from these cables? Why does only Andrea seem to have those? Why weren't they published earlier?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 5:54 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Ergon wrote:
Welcome back, zorba. You missed the part where the obsessed fans of Amanda Knox accused us of being obsessed with her. la-) No, but I would love to see her fMRI and PET scans ;)



Hi Ergon, thank you.
Sorry been over-tired past few weeks trying to get stuff done and go after work.

What needs to be exposed is the way her lot use this, oh critics are all haters, they hate hate hate her.
Well, yeah, by now, pretty much sure.

But, not in the way they try to say, because what they are doing it is using that idea, to discredit those who do not believe Knox and Sollecito are innocent.
So they rep eat that again and again, when the truth is, it is the hatred that is the root of the murder that the good-minded among us, object to, the cruelty involved in hurting someone in the extreme, meaning you cannot hurt anyone more than murdering them, expelling the life from their bodies.

I read the weak lines put out by the Hurleigh Burly, she too, I never ever even bothered reading, as it was made clear to me by others she had nothing to offer, but coming across her, she too used the tired old line of, yeah, at first I TOO THOUGHT, that they were guilty, but then I saw what the haters wrre dong and I changed my mind bla bla bla.

So that is two tired old lines that are both untrue.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 6:13 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Amanda Knox couldn't resist contacting victim's family
By: Chelsea Hoffman April 29, 2013
http://www.examiner.com/article/amanda- ... m-s-family

"...
It's fortunate that she never actually sent the note to the family of Meredith Kercher, not because it'd make her look guilty but because it'd really be a waste of their time and emotions. These people are in a permanent state of despair over what happened to Meredith, and not amount of self-serving notes written by one of the suspects will likely make it better.

Amanda Knox's interview with Diane Sawyer went as planned and is expected to air on the 30th, so here's to hoping she'll actually look directly at the camera while answering questions through the whole thing. In the promo shots of her (pictured with this article) she doesn't appear to be able to make direct eye contact."
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 6:29 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

zorba wrote:
Ergon wrote:
Welcome back, zorba. You missed the part where the obsessed fans of Amanda Knox accused us of being obsessed with her. la-) No, but I would love to see her fMRI and PET scans ;)



Hi Ergon, thank you.
Sorry been over-tired past few weeks trying to get stuff done and go after work.

What needs to be exposed is the way her lot use this, oh critics are all haters, they hate hate hate her.
Well, yeah, by now, pretty much sure.

But,not in the way they try to say, because what they are doing it is using that idea, to discredit those who do not believe Knox and Sollecito are innocent.
So they rep eat that again and again, when the truth is, it is the hatred that is the root of the murder that the good-minded among us, object to, the cruelty involved in hurting someone in the extreme, meaning you cannot hurt anyone more than murdering them, expelling the life from their bodies.

I read the weak lines put out by the Hurleigh Burly, she too, I never ever even bothered reading, as it was made clear to me by others she had nothing to offer, but coming across her, she too used the tired old line of, yeah, at first I TOO THOUGHT, that they were guilty, but then I saw what the haters wrre dong and I changed my mind bla bla bla.

So that is two tired old lines that are both untrue.


Hi, Zorba. Not in the way they say at all.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 7:02 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Discussion of Knox's sexual experimentation begins in earnest ;)

Amanda Knox Is Not a Cautionary Tale About Sex
By Jessica Grose


This week’s New Yorker has a deep reading of Amanda Knox’s new memoir, Waiting to be Heard. [...]
Though The New Yorker’s Rebecca Mead disdains the “slut shaming” Knox experienced in the press (the fact that Knox owned a vibrator and purchased condoms were petty details repeated over and over), she then describes Knox’s active sex life as a “dispiriting account of prevailing mores." Mead is primly upset by the fact that Knox wanted to have sex uncoupled from feelings.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 7:48 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Sam Leith: It’s Amanda Knox’s right to tell her side of the story

By publishing her memoir, Knox is taking ownership of her story and is refusing to fit the roles that others impose on her

Is it seemly that Amanda Knox should make millions of dollars out of her memoir Waiting To Be Heard? Meredith Kercher lies dead. Is this not a cash-in; an insult to her memory? Well, she won’t be the first person to have made money out of Kercher’s death. A lot of lawyers have been compensated, a lot of newspapers sold, a lot of “friends” paid off and a lot of books have come out: such sober contributions to the historical record as Death in Perugia, The Fatal Gift of Beauty, Trial by Fury, Angel Face, Darkness Descending and The Monster of Perugia.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 7:52 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Five Reasons We’re Not Going to Buy the Amanda Knox Book Tomorrow
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 8:00 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Lovely to see Earl Grey........I'm steeling myself to watch Diane Sawyer tomorrow. hb-))

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 8:19 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

The Stranger Hasn't Gotten a Copy of Amanda Knox's Memoir Yet, But The New Yorker Has
Posted by Christopher Frizzelle

Mead's point is subtle and finely argued, but there's a faint whiff of disgust in it, isn't there? Maybe not even faint? The comparison Mead makes to Portrait of a Lady does something to honor Knox's own desires and agency as she set out for Italy, but then the knife turns, and it turns on the question of Knox's attitude about sex.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 9:04 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

As far as I have been able to read so far, Knox summed up her feelings in the quote from the Sun.

Quote:
Knox says: “I was proud of myself for having a no-strings-attached consensual encounter, but I felt awkward and out of place. I didn’t yet know if I’d regret it. Later I told Meredith about the sex and feeling 'like an idiot.’

Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... z2RsHfTI00


Clear as mud to me.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 10:04 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Napia5 wrote:
As far as I have been able to read so far, Knox summed up her feelings in the quote from the Sun.

Quote:
Knox says: “I was proud of myself for having a no-strings-attached consensual encounter, but I felt awkward and out of place. I didn’t yet know if I’d regret it. Later I told Meredith about the sex and feeling 'like an idiot.’



Sweet. That's just really sweet. No other word describes it. I don't know about the rest of you, but reading about Amanda's sexual exploits is right at the top of the things that I want to do.

And if you read this passage three or four times, I feel confident that you'll uncover a deep meaning that you may have missed the first time you read it.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 10:11 pm   Post subject: STATE DEPARTMENT MEMOS WIKILEAKS   

max wrote:
So I understand that Andrea Vogt will probably release state department cables about the case. I believe this is the first one:
http://extras.seattlepi.com/pdf/amandaknox_cable.pdf
More is explained in this article:
http://www.seattlepi.com/amanda-knox/ar ... 383417.php
Anything we can expect from these cables? Why does only Andrea seem to have those? Why weren't they published earlier?


Some cables were published here a while back, max. Enter "us embassy cables" in the search function, or my post here: Wikileaks These latest were obtained by Andrea Vogt filing a FOI request, but all they appear to say is that she had regular consular visits. I doubt we'll get any smoking gun intercepts from Senators Kerry or Maria Cantwell to the ambassador. From the Wikileaks thread,

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Here's a letter I wrote to a journalist friend of mine..
"Dear ...,
I have a very big request for you, if you're able (Sent previously, but I know you're busy)
I'm trying to locate some specific cables from the American Embassy in Rome for the period 2007-2012. American student Amanda Knox was accused of the murder of Meredith Kercher in Perugia, Italy and convicted, then released in 2011.
My interest in this is as a volunteer for a website called Perugia Murder File http://www.perugiamurderfile.net which investigates the case. This is a very popular website due to the public interest in the case and because it is strictly pro bono, with doctors, psychologists, genetic specialists and lawyers all donating their time and expertise.
Our information so far is that even though Senator Maria Cantwell and Donald Trump wrote letters in defense of Amanda Knox to the embassy, staffers there said the original trial was fair. On the other hand, we also hear that pressure was brought on the Italian government through the ambassador, who is Senator John Kerry's (when he was the leader of the Senate Foreign Committee) brother in law (I hope this piques your interest) to acquit her and a judge was reassigned away from the case. The Americans are said to have told the Italian government they would never extradite her. Her co-defendant, Raffaele Sollecito's lawyer, Giulia Bongiorno, is an M.P. and the head of the Italian Parliament's Judiciary Committee is also alleged to have corrupted the trial.
I know that as a reporter you have all the files available. I tried searching all the mirror sites and never found one cable on this matter. Can you help me? If not, please let me know, but this truly is a case for justice which I know you have a passion for. The search terms are Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito, and the time frame might mostly be between 2008-2011.
I look forward to hearing back from you.
Sincerely,


........

Just got a reply saying nothing could be found. That in itself is curious. Reporter Andrea Vogt was able to obtain 6 cables through Freedom Of Information which got published on the True Justice website and they were mundane, bare bones memos about meeting Amanda Knox, with no details about her condition. This for a high profile trial with the world media at the door and political pressure at home, and we are to believe the embassy received or wrote nothing? I even checked the archives again to make sure. Nope. (Though to be fair, they are only up to October 2010. Still. )

This only makes it more likely that something was sent and done, through backdoor channels. Look forward to it all coming out one day.


So it would be nice if there was something coming up, but I'm not sure.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 10:32 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Earl Grey wrote:
Napia5 wrote:
As far as I have been able to read so far, Knox summed up her feelings in the quote from the Sun.

Quote:
Knox says: “I was proud of myself for having a no-strings-attached consensual encounter, but I felt awkward and out of place. I didn’t yet know if I’d regret it. Later I told Meredith about the sex and feeling 'like an idiot.’



Sweet. That's just really sweet. No other word describes it. I don't know about the rest of you, but reading about Amanda's sexual exploits is right at the top of the things that I want to do.

And if you read this passage three or four times, I feel confident that you'll uncover a deep meaning that you may have missed the first time you read it.


Earl, if this is at the top, please don't share anything else here that may be on that list. I have finally gotten my eye tic under control, but the situation is iffy. Have mercy.
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