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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 3:30 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

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Cassazione rulings cannot be appealed in Italy, zorba. They must be referring to the European Court of Human Justice, which rarely rules on such picayune matters. How can she argue her human rights were violated? She caused Patrick to lose his business. Her supporters are just wandering around in shock right now, saying whatever.



Yes thought so, I know about the European Court, this is not a matter for that.

So that guy is just shouting his mouth off. I have seen the guy on so many forums, under so many different names, one can only guess who is as fanatical as that, I know who I reckon it is.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 3:31 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

oh a page change, always feels so lonely until posts arrive

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:14 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

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Michael I keep hearing one of the main multiple forum ID-ers, like on ther Independent the other day, repeating all the time that Knox is going to appeal the Calumnia ruling, I thought she had already appealed and that the High Court made it final, guilty as charged.

What is right, do you know?



She can't appeal it, she's had ALL of her appeals for it. Cassation has ruled and finalised the conviction and sentence for that offence.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:29 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

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Just to add...for the loss of his business, Patrick should really be going after Knox for it, rather then the Italian state, since it is really her fault. State provision is limited by statute.


If I were a betting woman, I'd wager that Patrick is way more likely to go for Knox in a US civil case than the Kerchers. At least to get his court awarded money which I can't see a US court rejecting....then she should hit her for the punitive damages, US style.

You have to hand it to Sollecito for avoiding a world of shit for keeping his mouth shut in the police station. He must thank his lucky stars every single day that he didn't throw out wild accusations ala Knox.


I agree, Patrick is well aware of all his legal options. He's going through them one by one.

As for the Kerchers and whether they'll take out a civil suit, I think that will depend on whether they perceive Knox and her family to be profiting from Meredith's murder or not and whether they are satisfied with the final justice accorded by the Italian system.


And Sollecito? That spineless little wanker made 'keeping ones head below the parapet' into a fine art!

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:33 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

zorba wrote:
Ergon wrote:
Cassazione rulings cannot be appealed in Italy, zorba. They must be referring to the European Court of Human Justice, which rarely rules on such picayune matters. How can she argue her human rights were violated? She caused Patrick to lose his business. Her supporters are just wandering around in shock right now, saying whatever.



Yes thought so, I know about the European Court, this is not a matter for that.

So that guy is just shouting his mouth off. I have seen the guy on so many forums, under so many different names, one can only guess who is as fanatical as that, I know who I reckon it is.



Yes, he's talking complete and utter shite.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 5:05 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

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So, according to Knox, almost everyone wanted to have sex with her in prison.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 5:18 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Michael wrote:
zorba wrote:
Michael I keep hearing one of the main multiple forum ID-ers, like on ther Independent the other day, repeating all the time that Knox is going to appeal the Calumnia ruling, I thought she had already appealed and that the High Court made it final, guilty as charged.

What is right, do you know?



She can't appeal it, she's had ALL of her appeals for it. Cassation has ruled and finalised the conviction and sentence for that offence.


Yes see, I was wondering if I was beginning to get forgetful, I thought as much, he is saying that as a way to force his opinion onto people and to excuse Knox under false pretences just to make her look infallible and innocent, but, guilty they said and guilty she is.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 5:19 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Ava wrote:
Knox Reportedly Reveals Sexual Harassment in Memoir (video)
A British tabloid is reporting that Amanda Knox's memoir says she was harassed while behind bars.
02:41 | 04/15/2013
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/amanda- ... e-18956317

"Amanda Knox' new book could be a blockbuster."

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Thanks for the link to this video clip, Ava. This is a corrected and amended version of the original transcript posted under the video:

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Knox Reportedly Reveals Sexual Harassment in Memoir

George Stephanopoulos: We begin with the Amanda Knox story. Two weeks before her book hits stores, shocking details about her life behind bars are already emerging. ABC’s Neal Karlinsky joins us from Seattle with the latest. Good morning, Neal.

Reporter: George, good morning. If the tidbits leaking out and intense interest are any indication, Amanda Knox's new book could be a blockbuster. And this morning British tabloids are reporting new details about what might be in the most anticipated tell-all of the year.

Inside the hundreds of pages of Amanda Knox's memoir, "Waiting to be Hear[d]," will reportedly be claims by Knox that she was sexually harassed behind bars by prison guard Raffaele Argiro, saying he would summon her for – quote - ‘chitchats’ alone in his office at night. In the book, Knox reportedly expands on letters she wrote to friends obtained by British tabloids, saying the guard was fixated on the topic of sex, asking about her partners and if she would have sex with him. The British tabloid The Daily Mail quotes her as saying, “I was so surprised and scandalized.”

Argiro has since retired and denied the allegations.

Judy Bachrach: Obviously, to hit on a prisoner who has no power when you're a man who is a prison official with enormous power is very, very scary for a young woman.

Reporter: Knox also reportedly writes about a female inmate who wanted to start a lesbian affair, about how she was falsely told by officials that she was HIV positive. And about her reaction to the hate campaign that followed her release, some labeling her as a “she-devil” and a “witch.”

Interpreter, voice-over: The defendant has been acquitted…

Reporter: Knox’s stunning release was a year and a half ago, after her conviction for the murder of her former roommate was overturned.

Knox: My family is the most important thing to me right now, and I just wanna go and be with them…

Reporter: But just weeks ago, Knox learned that the Italian Supreme Court ordered a new trial, meaning the story of her ordeal in her own words will be released even as the real-life ending remains in doubt.

Judy Bachrach. Within the Italian people, there's still that feeling that she's a spoiled rich kid who decided to kill her roommate for kicks. This is ludicrous. Ah… so, there’s a possibility that she will be found guilty again.

Reporter: Amidst all the attention, Knox continues to maintain a low profile here in Seattle, where she attends the University of Washington, has a new boyfriend and is studying creative writing. George…

George Stephanopoulos: Thanks, Neal. And Diane Sawyer's exclusive Primetime hour with Amanda Knox is April 30th at 10 pm.

[This transcript has been automatically generated and may not be 100% accurate.]

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 5:32 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Oh so they are priming their Sawyer thing, and this is yet another example of guys who always struggled to get a 6 in class, it must be as there is no angle at all, such as, a criminal can say anything, and often, they do, and, if there had ever been any truth, she had plenty of opportunities to reveal these alleged things to her lawyers and it would have been dealt with one way or the other, but she didn't, did she, yeah, why not, well because not, because it NOT happen, it not happen you all... and the thick bwitch is going to make things worse for herself. Okay she's crying about being called a witch, I never called her one but it's never too late to start.

HER AGAIN, cursing

I like Patrick

I like Italy

I like Italians

woof woof woof

I must say, I have been treated well

woof woof woof

When Knox returned to prison everyone comforted her all night!!!

Woof woof woof, convenient, is such a such a lovely word, everything is so untrue, honesty, the Seattle woman never heard, mostly what we need from you.

But now apparently, they could not have as she is saying exactly the opposite of what she said when it suited her to have everyone think even the prison guards were actually on her side. Oh what a turncoat. Please someone tell that American prosecutor, please someone tell a decent journalist about the actual angles, ABC is ignorant, just like most of the others too who all copy one another.

Reuters, The Mail, The Independent, Seattle this that and the other
Oh yes, after they had been found guilty the guards comforted her all night, yes it suited her to put that out at the time. Those bad bad judges found me guilty of murder but look, the guards believe me, SEE.

I guess Knox must have meant they had a gang bang with her then or some such thing.


Back then it was all SEE, the guards understand, they are sympathetic because EVERYONE knows how innocent she is SEE.

But now, now it suits her to accuse people of stuff again and that the other convicted criminal, one of her cell buddies, came out with a story too is only an example of them ganging up and making false accusations to pay the system back.. get back, get back
Real/true does this make the lies NOT
Fail

Woof woof woof

Yep you can tell the backwards lousy excuse for news channels like ABC anything, they love it as they have to sell something.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 5:40 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Michael wrote:
Just to add...for the loss of his business, Patrick should really be going after Knox for it, rather then the Italian state, since it is really her fault. State provision is limited by statute.


I completely agree. I think that's why I was so mystified at his statement, thank you for clearing that up.
The civil damages awarded by European courts are very modest compared to US courts so I agree that if its an option to sue for damages in a US court, that would be preferable. It might make collection easier as well.

I think this would make for a very good question for Diane Sawyer to ask: Have you paid the modest judgment the court awarded Patrick Lumumba for telling investigators you witnessed him sexually assaulting and murdering Meredith Kercher? and then a followup, Why not?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 6:59 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

max wrote:
louiehaha wrote:
So, according to Knox, almost everyone wanted to have sex with her in prison.

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Waiting to Be Heard Have Sex


I vote we let her have this cheesy song, Popular by Albino Superstars:

<iframe width="640" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/6_pvoQ3ma94?feature=player_detailpage" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Quote:
Hello boys! This, this is a song about me.

Everybody wants to get down with me baby
Down with me baby, come on
Everybody wants to get high with me baby
Fly with me baby, come o'on

It's all ri'ight if you wanna party with me
I can give you what you need
So take a chance on me boy
Cause I am your toy
You could play with me'he

Popular
Everybody wants me
Popular
Everybody wants to sleep with me
Ah, cause I'm so popular, aha

<snip>



That $4million dollars won't last long with all the actions she's going to need to defend.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 7:44 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

How ironic. The book is 380 pages long. Diane Sawyer has the exclusive interview. ABC's lead-in to introduce the public to the book is a shocking comment about the sexual harrassment of Knox in prison. Sex sells. The station is using this avenue to promote the book. And the world is supposed to feel sorry for her because of her misrepresentation in the media. Why doesn't Knox stop them from talking about sex to promote her book?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 7:50 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

guermantes wrote:
Ava wrote:
Knox Reportedly Reveals Sexual Harassment in Memoir (video)
A British tabloid is reporting that Amanda Knox's memoir says she was harassed while behind bars.
02:41 | 04/15/2013
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/amanda- ... e-18956317

"Amanda Knox' new book could be a blockbuster."

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Thanks for the link to this video clip, Ava. This is a corrected and amended version of the original transcript posted under the video:

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Knox Reportedly Reveals Sexual Harassment in Memoir

[...]
Judy Bachrach: Within the Italian people, there's still that feeling that she's a spoiled rich kid who decided to kill her roommate for kicks. This is ludicrous. Ah… so, there’s a possibility that she will be found guilty again.


Really Judy? Okay, name 3 Italian people who have expressed that sentiment.

Yeah, that's what I thought. b-))

Thanks to Ava & guermantes for the coverage.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 8:22 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Napia5 wrote:
How ironic. The book is 380 pages long. Diane Sawyer has the exclusive interview. ABC's lead-in to introduce the public to the book is a shocking comment about the sexual harrassment of Knox in prison. Sex sells. The station is using this avenue to promote the book. And the world is supposed to feel sorry for her because of her misrepresentation in the media. Why doesn't Knox stop them from talking about sex to promote her book?



Rape fantasies are her genre.
The book is misclassified as a non-fiction work (she's just a kid, can't blame her for the mix-up).
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 8:57 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

The prison guard talked to me about sex. I found it intimidating. Where's my money?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 10:07 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Bob Graham's article has been republished in an online edition of the New York Daily News as a "Special to the NY Daily News", with some minor changes made to appeal to an American audience, like a couple of pictures thrown in, of Knox's supporters rooting for her or a "welcome home" sign. Note, too, the stronger epithets used for describing people around Knox ("vile", etc)

Here is the interesting bit:

Quote:
Amanda Knox endured relentless sexual harassment at the hands of a vile senior prison guard and fellow female inmates while in prison, her upcoming bombshell tell-all book reveals.

“He was fixated on the topic of sex — who I’d done it with, how I liked it . . . if I would like to do it with him,” Knox wrote on Oct.3, 2011, to a friend about Raffaele Argiro, one of the senior guards at Capanne Prison.


Wasn't Oct.3, 2011 the day on which she was acquitted by the Appeals Court? So, on the day of her acquittal, she wrote to an unnamed friend that a prison guard had been sexually harassing her. Isn't it a bit fishy? There was nothing else to do on that day other than confide in a friend this secret truth? Hmmm.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 10:29 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Where did I read that the prison guard claims Amanda Knox was the one who initiated the conversations about sex?

Reminds me of John Follain's interview with the Knox/Mellas family and Chris Mellas' remark about Amanda Knox:

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Page 16, 17

'When a chatty Amanda wanted to talk to him about intimate details of her relationship with a boyfriend, Chris cut her off: 'Don't tell me, I don't tell you when I do something.'

'You're telling me you don't have sex just with Mom?' Amanda asked.

'I'm not having this conversation,' Chris said.


She certainly comes across as rather inquisitive, not shy and reserved.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 10:35 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Remind me when did Knox first think about using her experiences to write a book? Funny she thought ahead to send off a letter on October 3 while packing her bag. Of course it needed to be post marked from prison to include in her planned sex chapter. That's planning. So the guard asked a question but Knox was more that willing to indulge him and knew full well she was going to write about it. She like Jody Arias will try to titillate or shift focus away from her involvement in the murder.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 10:52 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Nell wrote:
Where did I read that the prison guard claims Amanda Knox was the one who initiated the conversations about sex?

Reminds me of John Follain's interview with the Knox/Mellas family and Chris Mellas' remark about Amanda Knox:

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Death in Perugia by John Follain
Page 16, 17

'When a chatty Amanda wanted to talk to him about intimate details of her relationship with a boyfriend, Chris cut her off: 'Don't tell me, I don't tell you when I do something.'

'You're telling me you don't have sex just with Mom?' Amanda asked.

'I'm not having this conversation,' Chris said.


She certainly comes across as rather inquisitive, not shy and reserved.




Great to see you, Nell! :) Yes, I posted it here: viewtopic.php?p=106723#p106723 and Zorba then posted a cleaned up translation of it here: viewtopic.php?p=106725#p106725

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Facts & Fiction Part 1

a) Prisoners in for long sentences, like life, it is well known, may turn homosexual

b) There are many terrible men in jail but women cause perhaps even more problems

c) It is well-known that if men are thought to be bad in jail, it is women who can be even worse, throwing full piss pots over the heads of guards if they get the chance, fighting, bullying.
Lesbian relationships are very common because women are in general less ashamed so in jail, they don't care what anyone thinks, Knox's oh so very heartbreaking scoop revealing a single case of lesbianism is so absolutely, shocking......ly ridiculous......ly normal.

Her again



d) That guard in Perugia thought, damn, I'm lucky I didn't get raped by that woman on the broomstick. After all, salami was hard to come by; Sollecito; she lived only for the pleasure and it have no sense of reality.

Do by all means add the missing points

e)

f)

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 11:36 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

e) She lied about Patrick

f) She lied about being hit in the head

chances she lied about the prison guard, 'lesbian inmate' etc are ...?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 11:46 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Hey, I had no idea what happened in Boston, my God, how awful, I don't now what to say!
How could someone do such a thing, unbelievable!

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 11:58 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Google Translation:

Amanda Knox said the sexual abuse in prison
New details emerge on alleged sexual harassment suffered in prison for Amanda Knox, all described in his book "Waiting to be Heard."

The memoir of Amanda Knox, the young American accused along with former boyfriend Raffaele Sollecito of being the author of the murder of Meredith Kercher, will be released in the U.S. on April 30, the same day that the girl will make his first interview for the ABC station.

In "Waiting to be Heard" - Waiting to be heard - this is the title of the book consists of 400 pages, whose sole was acquired by New York-based publishing house Harper Collin for more than 3 million euro, the 25 year-old tells the past four years Huts in prison in Perugia, of ill-treatment, the psychological pressure which has been brought and sexual harassment on the part of the jailer Raffaele Argiro.


"The jailer asked me who I had intimate relationships << >> wanted to know how many children I had and if I wanted to go to bed with him - he says Amanda -. Was set ... as I liked it, if I wanted to do it with him. I was so surprised and shocked by his provocations that sometimes I wondered if I was not understanding what I was saying wrong. When I realized that I wanted to talk I tried to change the subject. "

Allegations rejected by the prison guard, now retired, who sued for defamation girl. During an interview with British journalist Bob Graham, Argiro said:

"I talked a lot but just to calm her down. I asked her how many boyfriends she had, but she was always to start talking about intimate relationships << >> ".



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 11:59 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

If I read the above right, he's filed against Knox for defamation. These defamation suits against Knox are mounting up!

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:04 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Shocking, tragic events in Boston. Condolences to the families of the dead, and speedy recovery wished to those injured.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:04 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Another - Google Translate:

Amanda Knox: "In prison in Perugia have been molested"
Posted by: Ornella D'Anna Date of publication: April 15, 2013 in Estero

NEW YORK - A past that has not yet passed, inconvenient truths and many doubts: the case of Amanda Knox, the young American with then-boyfriend Raffaele Sollecito had killed Meredith Kercher in Perugia, continues to hold the desk in classroom Court and outside, between the common agent.

Among those who want very guilty and those for whom she is certainly innocent, now a new check, especially troubling: sexual harassment. A tell, she, Amanda-truth in her book titled "Waiting to be hard" (400 pages, published by Harper Collins) is everything. Love for that blond college student from the air distracted friendship based marijuana with Meredith, up to the advances pushed the warden of the prison huts, in Perugia. The beautiful defendant explains that Raffaele Argiro, prison guard while in detention would only ask that the sex in a message to a friend, the girl said that Seattle Argiro the accompanying each medical visit, twice a day, and in the evening called on the third floor of the jail in an empty room for a chat. "He was obsessed with sex, with whom I had done it, how I liked it, if I wanted to do it with him," she writes in the book. "I was so surprised and shocked by his provocations that sometimes I wondered if I was not understanding what I was saying wrong. When I realized that I wanted to talk about sex I tried to change the subject. " Argiro immediately filed a lawsuit against defamation, although in the past he had already been accused of harassment of a fellow prisoner. That's not all, though. In the book "scandal", Knox also lives the lesbian attentions of one of his cellmate and when, immediately after the arrest, she was said to be HIV-positive. Details of a bitter affair destined, perhaps, to never end.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:04 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Michael wrote:
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Where did I read that the prison guard claims Amanda Knox was the one who initiated the conversations about sex?

Reminds me of John Follain's interview with the Knox/Mellas family and Chris Mellas' remark about Amanda Knox:

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'When a chatty Amanda wanted to talk to him about intimate details of her relationship with a boyfriend, Chris cut her off: 'Don't tell me, I don't tell you when I do something.'

'You're telling me you don't have sex just with Mom?' Amanda asked.

'I'm not having this conversation,' Chris said.


She certainly comes across as rather inquisitive, not shy and reserved.




Great to see you, Nell! :) Yes, I posted it here: viewtopic.php?p=106723#p106723 and Zorba then posted a cleaned up translation of it here: viewtopic.php?p=106725#p106725


Thanks Michael. That's the article I was referring to.

I cannot help but think that this whole "sex talk" is used to make her appear more desirable. Everyone who laid eyes on her in Italy wanted her, or so she and her family would like everyone to believe. Nina Burleigh described Amanda Knox as "the American with an uncanny resemblance to Perugia’s Madonna". They sure lay it on thick.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:08 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

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Shocking, tragic events in Boston. Condolences to the families of the dead, and speedy recovery wished to those injured.


Seconded. It sounds as if children were among the killed and wounded.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:12 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

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Thanks Michael. That's the article I was referring to.

I cannot help but think that this whole "sex talk" is used to make her appear more desirable. Everyone who laid eyes on her in Italy wanted her, or so she and her family would like everyone to believe. Nina Burleigh described Amanda Knox as "the American with an uncanny resemblance to Perugia’s Madonna". They sure lay it on thick.


A very risky move, both by Knox and by ABC for promoting it on its sex angle. I mean, promoting a book on the sexual tales of a murdering rapist? What book will they promote next..."My 101 Favourite Sex Positions, by the Yorkshire Ripper"?!

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:26 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

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How ironic. The book is 380 pages long. Diane Sawyer has the exclusive interview. ABC's lead-in to introduce the public to the book is a shocking comment about the sexual harrassment of Knox in prison. Sex sells. The station is using this avenue to promote the book. And the world is supposed to feel sorry for her because of her misrepresentation in the media. Why doesn't Knox stop them from talking about sex to promote her book?


Poor Amanda Knox is the victim of her own beauty, or that's what they want you to believe.

Amanda Knox made the claim against the prison guard a long time ago and it was published in the media then. That is another indicator that her "tell-all" book will not provide any new material at all. It will be a 300 page long recap of what we already know. Only for hardcore believers devoted to the American "Madonna di Perugia".
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:30 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

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Shocking, tragic events in Boston. Condolences to the families of the dead, and speedy recovery wished to those injured.


I've heard it in the morning news. Shocking. Apparently someone has already been arrested, but no details were known when I watched. Maybe there have been updates in the meantime, I don't know. The person was allegedly seen with various backpacks, leaving them abandoned one by one.

This is the act of a coward.

My heart goes to the family and friends of the deceased and I hope those injured in the attack will recover quickly.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:31 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

An old article on 'Sexgate' - Google Translate:

Lawyers for Amanda: "She never complained about Inspector Argiro"

PERUGIA, OCTOBER 5 - Amanda Knox "has never complained about the behavior of the prison inspector Raffaele Argiro" 'and "never mentioned his name" say the defenders of the American, lawyers Carlo Dalla Vedova and Luciano Ghirga, commenting to ANSA as reported today by the tabloid Sun

The reconstruction proposed by the British newspaper refers to the second memorial written by the young Seattle while she was in prison in Perugia. "In the diary - the Advocate Ghirga said - Amanda never wrote the name Argiro."

"We are grateful to the prison administration of Tabernacles - said the lawyer Dalla Vedova - for the cooperation given to the needs of the family. Amanda has never reported violations against him. She received treatment absolutely correct and the maximum solidarity, respecting the roles, especially in the women's section. "

Argiro was not until June deputy commander of the prison in Perugia. He is currently deputy coordinator of the core translations of the same structure.


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(the referred to Sun article was written by Knox shill Bob Graham)

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:36 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Nell wrote:
Napia5 wrote:
How ironic. The book is 380 pages long. Diane Sawyer has the exclusive interview. ABC's lead-in to introduce the public to the book is a shocking comment about the sexual harrassment of Knox in prison. Sex sells. The station is using this avenue to promote the book. And the world is supposed to feel sorry for her because of her misrepresentation in the media. Why doesn't Knox stop them from talking about sex to promote her book?


Poor Amanda Knox is the victim of her own beauty, or that's what they want you to believe.

Amanda Knox made the claim against the prison guard a long time ago and it was published in the media then. That is another indicator that her "tell-all" book will not provide any new material at all. It will be a 300 page long recap of what we already know. Only for hardcore believers devoted to the American "Madonna di Perugia".



Absolutely! Nothing new at all, just regurgitated (PR) crap with a few embellishments!

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:45 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Shocking horrible news from Boston. I just can't get over how evil some people are. I hope Jackie wasn't there. ( He runs marathons).

I tell myself I won't watch the interview with Diane Sawyer...but I probably will. It's not often that one gets to see an interview with a killer. I'd like some body experts to weigh in.Because..the mouth can say anything..but the body can and does..act involuntarily. And, because I believe Knox is a psycopath..with no internal understanding of empathy..she's going to get it all wrong. She'll do things she THINKS she needs to do. What she thinks an innocent person will do. No matter how quietly she speaks..or how studious and serious she tries to float out there..there will be many things to notice.

I play enough poker to look for *tells*. So, If I watch..it will be interesting from that point of view.

I also think that the Networks are a sham. It's about the ratings..and therefore the $$$'s. As much as I normally like Diane Sawyer..she's just another hired gun..being told how to conduct this interview. And, Knox has the * I can't answer that * because of the latest decision.

I hope that the Prison will also sue her sorry arse.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:47 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Old article on the 'lesbian thing' and the 'warden thing':

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:56 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Nell wrote:
Napia5 wrote:
How ironic. The book is 380 pages long. Diane Sawyer has the exclusive interview. ABC's lead-in to introduce the public to the book is a shocking comment about the sexual harrassment of Knox in prison. Sex sells. The station is using this avenue to promote the book. And the world is supposed to feel sorry for her because of her misrepresentation in the media. Why doesn't Knox stop them from talking about sex to promote her book?


Poor Amanda Knox is the victim of her own beauty, or that's what they want you to believe.

Amanda Knox made the claim against the prison guard a long time ago and it was published in the media then. That is another indicator that her "tell-all" book will not provide any new material at all. It will be a 300 page long recap of what we already know. Only for hardcore believers devoted to the American "Madonna di Perugia".


Hi Nell. Good to see you. I guess we will have to wait to read the book to see exactly what the claims are. Conversations that made her uncomfortable? Was she forced or intimidated into any actions? Was she subjected to any form of punishment for refusal to participate?

I don't think anyone here condones sexual harrassment in any form. No matter who the victim happens to be. Including Amanda Knox. Guilty or innocent. My problem in believing this is the way that it has been laid out for us.
The eyes of the world were on this case. She had attorneys and a top level PR firm behind her. I would think that one word from her attorney or the PR people would have sent the prison into a tailspin trying to straighten the matter out. Wouldn't the American Embassy have gotten involved?

On top of that, I would consider the guard the stupidest human being on the face of the earth for having tried anything. The fact that no charges have been filed on this makes it even more unbelievable, IMO.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:59 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

From the above Nick Pisa article, both the lesbian thing and the supposed sexual harassment were being reported as early as 2008, so NOTHING in her book is new. Just regurgitated BS that they want the public to pay coin for.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:14 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Napia5 wrote:
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Napia5 wrote:
How ironic. The book is 380 pages long. Diane Sawyer has the exclusive interview. ABC's lead-in to introduce the public to the book is a shocking comment about the sexual harrassment of Knox in prison. Sex sells. The station is using this avenue to promote the book. And the world is supposed to feel sorry for her because of her misrepresentation in the media. Why doesn't Knox stop them from talking about sex to promote her book?


Poor Amanda Knox is the victim of her own beauty, or that's what they want you to believe.

Amanda Knox made the claim against the prison guard a long time ago and it was published in the media then. That is another indicator that her "tell-all" book will not provide any new material at all. It will be a 300 page long recap of what we already know. Only for hardcore believers devoted to the American "Madonna di Perugia".


Hi Nell. Good to see you. I guess we will have to wait to read the book to see exactly what the claims are. Conversations that made her uncomfortable? Was she forced or intimidated into any actions? Was she subjected to any form of punishment for refusal to participate?

I don't think anyone here condones sexual harrassment in any form. No matter who the victim happens to be. Including Amanda Knox. Guilty or innocent. My problem in believing this is the way that it has been laid out for us.
The eyes of the world were on this case. She had attorneys and a top level PR firm behind her. I would think that one word from her attorney or the PR people would have sent the prison into a tailspin trying to straighten the matter out. Wouldn't the American Embassy have gotten involved?

On top of that, I would consider the guard the stupidest human being on the face of the earth for having tried anything. The fact that no charges have been filed on this makes it even more unbelievable, IMO.


And let's not forget, Knox is a convicted liar who loves to write sexually oriented fiction.

We also know she loves to raise the matter of sex with males that she talks to. In addition, were Argiro minded to lie I would expect him to deny any such conversations ever took place full stop (since they could be considered inappropriate for someone in his position, even if they were initiated by the prisoner), yet he freely admits such a conversation took place, only that Knox started it. Therefore, I'm inclined to believe Argiro.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:21 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Michael wrote:
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Thanks Michael. That's the article I was referring to.

I cannot help but think that this whole "sex talk" is used to make her appear more desirable. Everyone who laid eyes on her in Italy wanted her, or so she and her family would like everyone to believe. Nina Burleigh described Amanda Knox as "the American with an uncanny resemblance to Perugia’s Madonna". They sure lay it on thick.


A very risky move, both by Knox and by ABC for promoting it on its sex angle. I mean, promoting a book on the sexual tales of a murdering rapist? What book will they promote next..."My 101 Favourite Sex Positions, by the Yorkshire Ripper"?!


Well, in the U.S. they have portrayed Amanda Knox as the victim, so in their eyes she is not a rapist and murderer. The annulment of the acquittal has been untimely, because there are now more and more voices in the U.S. pointing out the differences between the American and Italian justice system, that the Italian justice system affords the defendant more rights than the American and that there is plenty of evidence that proves Amanda Knox was indeed involved in the crime. The media coverage over the past few years in the U.S. has been criticised as well and I wonder what the new position of the American media will be, given they now allow these controversial opinions to be aired?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:24 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Michael wrote:
An old article on 'Sexgate' - Google Translate:

Lawyers for Amanda: "She never complained about Inspector Argiro"
...
"We are grateful to the prison administration of Capanne - said the lawyer Dalla Vedova - for the cooperation given to the needs of the family. Amanda has never reported violations against her. She received treatment absolutely correct and the maximum solidarity, respecting the roles, especially in the women's section. "


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Accusing a prison guard is probably her way of "thanking" the prison administration for allowing extended family visits and other special privileges such as receiving visits from parliamentarians.

From an old article in THE GUARDIAN:

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>To keep an eye on their daughter, Curt Knox and Edda Mellas will be allowed to visit up to 10 times a month, hugging their daughter in a room without glass barriers, if they can afford the mounting travel bills they now face.


Knox better hope and pray the court doesn't order her to return to an Italian prison to complete her sentence as the reception might turn out to be less than friendly.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:30 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

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Well, in the U.S. they have portrayed Amanda Knox as the victim, so in their eyes she is not a rapist and murderer. The annulment of the acquittal has been untimely, because there are now more and more voices in the U.S. pointing out the differences between the American and Italian justice system, that the Italian justice system affords the defendant more rights than the American and that there is plenty of evidence that proves Amanda Knox was indeed involved in the crime. The media coverage over the past few years in the U.S. has been criticised as well and I wonder what the new position of the American media will be, given they now allow these controversial opinions to be aired?



I don't think the US mainstream media will have a 'new position'...they only have one gear and they certainly don't have reverse. The most that may ever happen in regard to change, is they may let the story quietly fizzle out and slowly just stop reporting on it. They don't have to carry the story after all...Fox News doesn't.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:46 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Thanks to everyone for posting these old articles. I missed most of these the first time around. I wasn't aware that her lawyer had commented on them. It seems as if she was afforded every comfort allowable, including the visits from her parents. I can't see how any more could have been done in her interest during the time she was in prison.
Not many can say this, IMO.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:53 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Napia5 wrote:
Thanks to everyone for posting these old articles. I missed most of these the first time around. I wasn't aware that her lawyer had commented on them. It seems as if she was afforded every comfort allowable, including the visits from her parents. I can't see how any more could have been done in her interest during the time she was in prison.
Not many can say this, IMO.



In Sharon Feinstein's article, there's a lot more on the special treatment that Knox was afforded, to the understandable resentment of her fellow prisoners "Everything she asked for she got": Verdict on Knox, by women who shared her life in jail

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Shocking horrible news from Boston. I just can't get over how evil some people are. I hope Jackie wasn't there. ( He runs marathons).


I was just chatting with a long distance friend when this horrible news came up. We both said simultaneously "what the &!*%(#@ is wrong with people?"

capealadin wrote:
I tell myself I won't watch the interview with Diane Sawyer...but I probably will. It's not often that one gets to see an interview with a killer.


I feel exactly the same way cape. Besides, you never know when something like this might reveal a moment of striking clarity. I remember watching the following and realizing it was just such a moment. It speaks to the question my friend and I raised a short while ago.

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Michael wrote:
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Well, in the U.S. they have portrayed Amanda Knox as the victim, so in their eyes she is not a rapist and murderer. The annulment of the acquittal has been untimely, because there are now more and more voices in the U.S. pointing out the differences between the American and Italian justice system, that the Italian justice system affords the defendant more rights than the American and that there is plenty of evidence that proves Amanda Knox was indeed involved in the crime. The media coverage over the past few years in the U.S. has been criticised as well and I wonder what the new position of the American media will be, given they now allow these controversial opinions to be aired?



I don't think the US mainstream media will have a 'new position'...they only have one gear and they certainly don't have reverse. The most that may ever happen in regard to change, is they may let the story quietly fizzle out and slowly just stop reporting on it. They don't have to carry the story after all...Fox News doesn't.


I agree, Michael. ABC has the interview that the rest of the stations wanted. No one is going to do any major reporting that will result in additional viewers for ABC. Slow fizzle.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 2:03 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

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I agree, Michael. ABC has the interview that the rest of the stations wanted. No one is going to do any major reporting that will result in additional viewers for ABC. Slow fizzle.


I suppose also, much will depend on what sort of ratings the ABC interview gets. I imagine that the mainstream US media as a whole will be looking at those ratings very closely.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 2:06 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Napia5 wrote:
Thanks to everyone for posting these old articles. I missed most of these the first time around. I wasn't aware that her lawyer had commented on them. It seems as if she was afforded every comfort allowable, including the visits from her parents. I can't see how any more could have been done in her interest during the time she was in prison.
Not many can say this, IMO.


I agree Napia. She had everything she asked for and she was allowed far more than the average prisoner.

From Sharon Feinstein's interview with Angela Antonelli (prison guard) and Vittoria (Knox's cellmate)..

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 2:09 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Michael was quicker and already linked to Feinstein's interview.

Good to re-read the article and remember how Theodore Simon called Amanda Knox a "charitable" person.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 2:36 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Nell wrote:
Napia5 wrote:
Thanks to everyone for posting these old articles. I missed most of these the first time around. I wasn't aware that her lawyer had commented on them. It seems as if she was afforded every comfort allowable, including the visits from her parents. I can't see how any more could have been done in her interest during the time she was in prison.
Not many can say this, IMO.


I agree Napia. She had everything she asked for and she was allowed far more than the average prisoner.

From Sharon Feinstein's interview with Angela Antonelli (prison guard) and Vittoria (Knox's cellmate)..

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Amanda arrived in prison and all of a sudden had her own computer, table, guitar, as many interviews as she wanted with family, friends, relations, lawyer. Everything she asked for she got.



As I recall, going right back to the beginning, Knox had hardly been in prison for ten minutes when she made a request for her guitar. This request was initially denied (another thing cited as 'cruel and unusual punishment' by her supporters, like all prisoners get a guitar). This was because it was at the cottage and hadn't been cleared from the crime scene. I would also imagine it contravenes prison rules, I mean, it can't be fun for other prisoners having to spend all their time listening to another prisoner strumming the thing and prisons echo...it's not like they can go somewhere else and get some piece and quiet. And then later, bingo, as if by magic, she got her guitar. Along with just about everything else she wanted.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 2:54 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Italian Review of Knox's Book - Google Translation:




Amanda: "The warden wanted to have sex with me"

The memorial of the student accused of murdering Meredith Kercher. Details itchy in the book of Knox. Who plays one shocked ...



And in the end do you want to see that we will compensate Amanda Knox for "psycho-sexual" harassment suffered when she was in prison in Perugia? Now after the sad story of the murder of poor Meredith Kercher, we've got used to everything.

But it really turns the stomach to resign ourselves to the idea that the Seattle girl should also make millions of dollars with a book-truth ("truth" so to speak) who rummages through the garbage of yellow Perugia. A literary destiny that unites Amanda and another key figure on the scene of the crime: that Raffaele Sollecito author of another book-truth ("truth" is getting to speak). The memorial is called Solecito Honor Bound: my journey to hell and back with Amanda Knox (Pact of honor: my days hell and back with Amanda Knox), while the "best seller" of Amanda is called Waiting to be Heard (Waiting to be heard). Pages where Amanda - among other things - tries to establish herself as a creature naive and demure, even "harassed" by alleged talk of a dirty sexual nature with a parole officer . Amanda writes, of who for her: "The jailer asked me who I had had sex with, he wanted to know how many children I had and if I wanted to go to bed with him." The period is referred to as the American student was in Perugia prison following conviction of the first instance for the crime of '"friend" Meredith. Then, on appeal, Knox (and Sollecito) were acquitted and now the Supreme Court ordered a new trial for both. Meanwhile, Amanda has gone back to Seattle (where she obviously will never return to Italy) and can enjoy the proceeds of her new career as a writer and host of the TV where pain, including a tear and the other, tells how she has been persecuted in our country. And the more she cries, the more the audience goes through the roof and Amanda's bank account swells. All instead of paying her debt to Italian justice ...

In 400 pages published by Harper Collins, a publishing house in New York who has won exclusive rights to the memories of Amanda having shelled out nearly three million dollars, the details itchy there. The perfect location: the prison cells of Tabernacles. Here Amanda tells of 'constant demands from another prisoner to start a lesbian relationship with her. " In other pages she remembers how "she was reported to be HIV-positive shortly after her arrival in prison." Then the revelations about a prison guard, now retired. Knox accused him of "having done nothing but talk about sex with her from the day after her arrest." In a message to a friend, the girl from Seattle says that the man in uniform was accompanying her at every medical visit, twice a day, and in the evening called on the third floor of the jail in an empty room for a chat. "He was obsessed with sex, with whom I had done it, how I liked it, if I wanted to do it with him," She writes in the book. "I was so surprised and shocked by his provocations that sometimes I wondered if I was not understanding what I was hearing. When I realized that he wanted to talk about sex I tried to change the subject. "
The cop sued for libel after the girl Amanda said she was molested during interrogations. Interviewed by Bob Graham, a British journalist very close to the Knox family, the guard admitted that he had talked about sex with Amanda while claiming that it was she who introduced the topic: "I've talked a lot but just to calm her down. I asked her how many boyfriends she had, but she would always start talking about sex. " All who want to continue to rummage through the garbage, buy the book as well.



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 3:00 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

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As I recall, going right back to the beginning, Knox had hardly been in prison for ten minutes when she made a request for her guitar. This request was initially denied (another thing cited as 'cruel and unusual punishment' by her supporters, like all prisoners get a guitar). This was because it was at the cottage and hadn't been cleared from the crime scene. I would also imagine it contravenes prison rules, I mean, it can't be fun for other prisoners having to spend all their time listening to another prisoner strumming the thing and prisons echo...it's not like they can go somewhere else and get some piece and quiet. And then later, bingo, as if by magic, she got her guitar. Along with just about everything else she wanted.


I remember Edda Mellas complaining during an interview that she hadn't been contacted before the police arrested Amanda Knox, as if they needed her permission to make an arrest. They criticised that Amanda Knox was interviewed and questioned in an ongoing murder investigation as if in the U.S. things worked differently. Once Amanda Knox was transferred to prison, the family stressed in every interview that now they couldn't see and talk to her whenever they wanted to, as if the situation was different for any other family of a defendant/convict in the U.S.

The Knox/Mellas family always demand special treatment without recognising that it is a privilege. They feel they are entitled to it.
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Nell wrote:
Michael wrote:
As I recall, going right back to the beginning, Knox had hardly been in prison for ten minutes when she made a request for her guitar. This request was initially denied (another thing cited as 'cruel and unusual punishment' by her supporters, like all prisoners get a guitar). This was because it was at the cottage and hadn't been cleared from the crime scene. I would also imagine it contravenes prison rules, I mean, it can't be fun for other prisoners having to spend all their time listening to another prisoner strumming the thing and prisons echo...it's not like they can go somewhere else and get some piece and quiet. And then later, bingo, as if by magic, she got her guitar. Along with just about everything else she wanted.


I remember Edda Mellas complaining during an interview that she hadn't been contacted before the police arrested Amanda Knox, as if they needed her permission to make an arrest. They criticised that Amanda Knox was interviewed and questioned in an ongoing murder investigation as if in the U.S. things worked differently. Once Amanda Knox was transferred to prison, the family stressed in every interview that now they couldn't see and talk to her whenever they wanted to, as if the situation was different for any other family of a defendant/convict in the U.S.

The Knox/Mellas family always demand special treatment without recognising that it is a privilege. They feel they are entitled to it.


The air of entitlement has surrounded the Knox family and their supporters from the very start right up until the present in this case. A country is supposed to completely rewrite how it investigates and prosecutes murder cases just for them...and only for them.

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Well, Saint Michael, I did ask you some time ago, to remove me from this disgusting board and you made every effort to delay. I have no idea why you delayed my request, other than that the adrenalin of shooting down Sfarzo had not yet dissipated. So, this decision has been in your hands some time and, for unknown reasons, you delayed it. So, it is only right that I call you on it.

I realize that the recent SC decision has lifted your spirits and you may yet destroy the lives of two innocent young people while ignoring 'good ol' Rudy'. Amazing!

As to this board, (excluding Zorba) I think there are good people here, however, badly led astray. And please, Tamale/..../Bettina ...etc, spare me with your e-mails. They now automatically go in to the 'dumpster' anyway, thus freeing your time for 'productive' endeavors.

I think there are a lot of good people on this board (Sorry Zorba, you don't qualify) and I would love to see all that positive energy re-directed to good causes. There certainly are enough issues waiting for your support. Try 'Doctor's Without Borders' for a start. Your spirit will be richly rewarded. Trust me on this one. End of sermon .....

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Sigh. You were welcomed here, Nobody, not because of your contribution to Sfarzo~Gate but because people, everywhere, are essentially good. As I already explained to you, we do not have the facility on this board to 'remove' people, and all you had to do was stop writing, yet here you are again, with so many public farewells and exits. I note also that you never explained why you believed in the 'kids' innocence, but that was your prerogative.

I see that despite your previous warning, you persisted in publishing Tamale's real name. An e-mail asking her not to write you would suffice, but no, you had to use PMF as your message board. Sigh.


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Oh my!! Drunk again, are we?? Apologies for the email challenging you on the evidence. Can't take it...I guess. Poor Peter.
I guess this means you should stop calling... And remember what Mom and Dad said about people who live in glass houses. Now you won't be able to answer the question foremost in my mind, which is why you keep imposing yourself on this board since you banned yourself, and all??
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 3:27 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Tamale wrote:
Oh my!! Drunk again, are we?? Apologies for the email challenging you on the evidence. Can't take it...I guess. Poor Peter.
I guess this means you should stop calling... And remember what Mom and Dad said about people who live in glass houses. Now you won't be able to answer the question foremost in my mind, which is why you keep imposing yourself on this board since you banned yourself, and all??
Bored sigh, Bettina

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Thanks for the vid, Itchy. Super..in that it makes me fee really normal :)

I also remember..apropos conflicting statements about Knox's stay at the holiday farm..( La Capanne)...a Minister or someone..saying that Knox said her Trial was fair. ( First time around..and MOST certainly the second ). Now..I guess not :)

Oh..not to worry, Tamale..about Nobody. He walks in darkness. He couldn't even see how well he was treated. It's ike he's fighting...with HIMSELF. !!!

Thanks Michael..WAIT !! I mean SAINT Michael :) For the translations and news. Same to everyone else for the news. You people are ON IT !!

Now St. Michael..no more FFS's. :)

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 3:44 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Michael wrote:
Italian Review of Knox's Book - Google Translation:

Amanda: "The warden wanted to have sex with me"

The memorial of the student accused of murdering Meredith Kercher. Details itchy in the book of Knox. Who plays one shocked ...

And in the end do you want to see that we will compensate Amanda Knox for "psycho-sexual" harassment suffered when she was in prison in Perugia? Now after the sad story of the murder of poor Meredith Kercher, we've got used to everything.

But it really turns the stomach to resign ourselves to the idea that the Seattle girl should also make millions of dollars with a book-truth ("truth" so to speak) who rummages through the garbage of yellow Perugia. A literary destiny that unites Amanda and another key figure on the scene of the crime: that Raffaele Sollecito author of another book-truth ("truth" is getting to speak). The memorial is called Solecito Honor Bound: my journey to hell and back with Amanda Knox (Pact of honor: my days hell and back with Amanda Knox), while the "best seller" of Amanda called Waiting to be Heard (Waiting to be heard). Pages where Amanda - among other things - tries to establish herself as a creature naive and demure, even "harassed" by alleged talk of a dirty sexual nature with a parole officer . Amanda writes, of who for her: "The jailer asked me who I had had sex with, he wanted to know how many children I had and if I wanted to go to bed with him." The period is referred to as the American student was in Perugia prison following conviction of the first instance for the crime of '"friend" Meredith. Then, on appeal, Knox (and Sollecito) were acquitted and now the Supreme Court ordered a new trial for both. Meanwhile, Amanda has gone back to Seattle (where she obviously will never return to Italy) and can enjoy the proceeds of her new career as a writer and host of the TV where pain, including a tear and the other, tells how she has been persecuted in our country. And the more she cries, the more the audience goes through the roof and Amanda's bank account swells. All instead of paying her debt to Italian justice ...

In 400 pages published by Harper Collins, a publishing house in New York who has won exclusive rights to the memories of Amanda having shelled out nearly three million dollars, the details itchy there. The perfect location: the prison cells of Tabernacles. Here Amanda tells of 'constant demands from another prisoner to start a lesbian relationship with her. " In other pages she remembers how "she was reported to be HIV-positive shortly after her arrival in prison." Then the revelations about a prison guard, now retired. Knox accused him of "having done nothing but talk about sex with her from the day after her arrest." In a message to a friend, the girl from Seattle says that the man in uniform was accompanying her at every medical visit, twice a day, and in the evening called on the third floor of the jail in an empty room for a chat. "He was obsessed with sex, with whom I had done it, how I liked it, if I wanted to do it with him," She writes in the book. "I was so surprised and shocked by his provocations that sometimes I wondered if I was not understanding what I was hearing. When I realized that he wanted to talk about sex I tried to change the subject. "
The cop sued for libel after the girl Amanda said she was molested during interrogations. Interviewed by Bob Graham, a British journalist very close to the Knox family, the guard admitted that he had talked about sex with Amanda while claiming that it was she who introduced the topic: "I've talked a lot but just to calm her down. I asked her how many boyfriends she had, but she would always start talking about sex. " All who want to continue to rummage through the garbage, buy the book as well.



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Thanks Michael. Tiziano at .org has posted the proper translation of this article. I'm re-posting it here, with thanks.

Translation: Tiziano

AMANDA: “THE WARDER WANTED TO HAVE SEX WITH ME”.
The memoirs of the student accused of the murder of Meredith Kercher.
Titillating details in the book by Knox. She plays at being scandalized.

Nino Materi - Monday 15/04/2013 - 15:38.

And in the end do you want to see that we will even have to compensate Amanda Knox for the “psycho-sexual” abuse suffered in prison in Perugia? By now we have become used to everything in the ugly story of the murder of poor Meredith Kercher.

But you really need a strong stomach to get used to the idea that the girl from Seattle should even be earning millions of dollars with true-story book (“true” in a manner of saying) which rummages in the trash of the Perugia thriller. A literary destiny which associates Amanda with the other key character at the crime scene: that Raffaele Sollecito, author of a another true-story book (once again “true” in a manner of saying). Sollecito’s memoir is entitled Honour Bound: my Journey to Hell and Back with Amanda Knox, while Amanda’s “best-seller” is called Waiting to be Heard. Pages in which Amanda – among other things – tries to make herself out to be an ingenuous, modest creature actually “molested” by the sexually implicit sayings of a supposedly dirty-minded prison warden. Amanda writes, or the ghost writer does, “The screw [the jailer?] would ask me with whom I had had sex, he wanted to know how many boyfriends I had and whether I wanted to go to bed with him.” The period referred to is when the American student was in the Perugia prison following the first stage sentence for the murder of her "friend" Meredith. Then, on appeal, Knox (and Sollecito) were acquitted and now Cassation has ordered a new trial for them both. Meanwhile Amanda has gone back to Seattle (from where she will obviously never return to Italy) and she is enjoying the proceeds of her new career as a writer, not to speak of being a guest of agony TV, where between tears she tells how she was persecuted in our country. And the more she cries, the more the audience hits the roof and the more Amanda’s bank account grows. No talk of repaying her debt to Italian Justice...

In the 400 hundred pages published by Harper Collins, the New York publishers which obtained the exclusive on the memoirs of Amanda after paying out about three million dollars, there is no lack of titillating details. A perfect location: the cells of Capanne Prison. Here Amanda tells about “continual requests from a prisoner to start a lesbian relationship with her”. In other pages she recalls how “she was informed of being HIV positive shortly after her arrival in gaol”. Then the shock-revelation about a prison guard who is now retired. Knox accuses him of “ doing nothing but talk about sex with her from the day she arrived after her arrest”. In a message to a girlfriend, the girl from Seattle tells how the man in uniform accompanied her on every medical visit, twice a day, and in the evening how he would call her up to the third floor of the prison to an empty room to chat. “He was obsessed with sex, with whom I had done it, how I liked doing it, whether I wanted to do it with him,” she writes in the book. “I was so surprised and scandalised by all his provocations that sometimes I wondered whether I was not misunderstanding what he was telling me. When I realized that he wanted to talk about sex I tried to change the subject.” The guard sued the girl for defamation after Amanda said that she had been abused during the questioning. In an interview with Bob Graham, an English journalist very close to the Knox family, the guard admitted talking about sex with Amanda, even claiming that she was the one who introduced the topic: “I talked to her a lot, but only to calm her down. I asked her how many boyfriends she had had, but it was always she to start talking about sex.” Anyone who wants to rummage in the garbage, buy the book by all means.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 3:53 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

capealadin wrote:
Thanks for the vid, Itchy. Super..in that it makes me fee really normal :)

I also remember..apropos conflicting statements about Knox's stay at the holiday farm..( La Capanne)...a Minister or someone..saying that Knox said her Trial was fair. ( First time around..and MOST certainly the second ). Now..I guess not :)

Oh..not to worry, Tamale..about Nobody. He walks in darkness. He couldn't even see how well he was treated. It's ike he's fighting...with HIMSELF. !!!

Thanks Michael..WAIT !! I mean SAINT Michael :) For the translations and news. Same to everyone else for the news. You people are ON IT !!

Now St. Michael..no more FFS's. :)


Knox's own lawyers said she got a fair trial...as did Knox herself:

Amanda Knox says she has no complaints about trial
Amanda Knox believes she received a fair trial for the murder of her British flat mate, Meredith Kercher, but is confident her 26-year prison sentence will be overturned on appeal.

By Nick Squires in Rome
Published: 2:58PM GMT 09 Dec 2009


Speaking for the first time since a jury in Perugia convicted her of the sexual assault and murder, Knox said the 11-month trial was conducted "correctly".

The remarks sidestepped a growing furore in the United States, where legal experts and media commentators have angrily condemned the verdict as a miscarriage of justice based on flawed evidence, anti-Americanism and character assassination.

As Knox and her lawyers prepare an appeal, she has elected to work in the laundry of the female wing of Capanne prison, near Perugia, and hopes to continue her language studies with a distance learning course with her old university.

She spends much of her time, as she has over the last two years since being jailed on suspicion of murder a few days after the crime, writing and reading, which she said "helps me to survive, day by day."
Speaking to an Italian MP who visited her in prison, Walter Verini, she said she had no complaints about the legal process.

"The trial was carried out correctly," she said. "My rights were respected, I believe so."
"I still have faith in Italian justice. I have a crazy urge to be free but there is only one path I have chosen for leaving here, and that is the appeal that my lawyers are preparing."

Knox, 22, burst into tears last week when she was convicted, after 13 hours of deliberation, by a jury in the university town of Perugia, in Umbria, of murdering Miss Kercher, 21, of Coulsdon, Surrey, in the hillside cottage the two young women shared.

She was sentenced to 26 years in jail, while her co-defendant and former boyfriend, Italian IT graduate Raffaele Sollecito, received 25 years.

Her first appeal hearing is expected to be held late next year, and any criticism of the initial investigation and subsequent trial is likely to be poorly received by a judicial system which was angered by attacks from across the Atlantic.

She chose her words carefully, "like a lawyer or a diplomat", according to Corriere della Sera newspaper, which was briefed on the meeting by Mr Verini, of the centre-left Democratic Party.
Knox has been moved from her old cell, which she shared with three women prisoners, to a smaller, two-bed cell equipped with two desks, two wardrobes and a television.

Her new cellmate is a fellow American, a 53-year-old woman from Louisiana who is serving a four-year sentence for drug dealing.

Knox spoke of her bitter disappointment at being found guilty of the murder, which she denies having any part in. "I thought I would be home for Christmas, but instead I have to wait," she said.

A senator from Knox's home state of Washington has said she has "serious questions" about the Italian justice system and fears the trial may have been influenced by "anti-Americanism". But the US State Department said this week that it had no "indications... that Italian law was not followed."
Knox, who went to a Jesuit school in Seattle, attended Mass in the prison on Saturday night, the day after she was convicted.

The prison's chaplain, Father Saulo Scarabattoli, said she had found comfort with nuns from nearby Assisi, who visit the prison a regular basis.

"I've only known her for two years and how she was before that, I cannot say. But to me it's difficult to imagine as a witch," he said.

Knox's mother, Edda Mellas, is expected to visit the US embassy in Rome on Friday to discuss the case with the American ambassador.

Sollecito, 25, from the southern city of Bari, will also appeal his conviction.
"He's in a bad way," his lawyer, Luca Maori, told La Stampa newspaper. "He's lost all sense of time and space. He just keeps asking: 'When I can get out?'"


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Amanda Knox Says Her Murder Trial Was 'Correct'
Amanda Knox Expected to be Home for Christmas, Not Convicted of Murder

BY ANN WISE
PERUGIA, Italy Dec. 9, 2009



Amanda Knox has told an Italian member of Parliament that she had expected to be home for Christmas, but despite the crushing disappointment of being convicted of murder said her trial was "correct" and that she still has faith in Italian courts.

Knox made her comments to Walter Verini, a Parliamentarian representing the region of Umbria where Knox is jailed, four days after a jury found her guilty of murdering British roommate Meredith Kercher on Nov. 1, 2007.

The midnight verdict last Friday and 26 year prison sentence left Knox crying "No, no, no" as she was taken from the courtroom, and triggered criticism by her family and American commentators. Some claimed that the Italian court has been influenced by anti-Americanism and tabloid press coverage of the trial.

Knox, 22, was dressed in a track suit and reading in her cell, Verini said, when he came around with staff from the Capanne prison just outside Perugia. She was very cordial to him, and gave the impression of being "apparently calm," Verini said.

"I thought I would be home for Christmas," Knox told Verini. "But instead I have to wait."

Knox told Verini she could not wait to be free, but would put her trust in her lawyers' appeal and in the Italian legal system.

She was convicted along with her former boyfriend Raffaele Sollecito, 25, who as sentenced to 25 years in prison. A third person, Ivory Coast native Rudy Guede, had previously been convicted of taking part in the murder and was sentenced to 30 years.


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"I asked her if she had seen how her country had reacted to the verdict," said Verini. "She was evidently aware of everything that was happening, but did not say what effect she thought it would have on her legal situation."

He quoted Knox as saying that her trial was "correct," and that she "still has faith in the Italian legal system."

Knox's parents had lashed out at the verdict, saying jurors had ignored a lack of evidence that put Knox at the murder scene and the lack of a strong motive for her to kill Kercher.



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Another article very much worthy of review:


Translation from the La Nazione - Umbria, by 'Kermit':

“Those American personalities are not helping Amanda”

Lawyer Ghirga: “I have spoken with Prosecutor Mignini”

by Enzo Beretta - Perugia

“There are people around the figure of Amanda who have no formal role in the student’s defence team, which is formed by myself together with my colleague Carlo Dalla Vedova.

These people are not only not helping our client in the difficult judicial process in the Corte d’Assise in which we have to defend her, but on the contrary, they are harming her judicial position.”

Luciano Ghirga, lawyer for the American accused by the prosecutor of sexually assaulting and killing Meredith Kercher with her former boyfriend Raffaele Sollecito and Rudy Hermann Guede, once again distances himself from the Stars-and-Stripes “know-it-alls” who repeatedly have tried to throw mud on the work of investigators and have even personally attacked Giuliano Mignini, head of the murder investigation.

There is strong evidence which supports the prosecution, unlike the “macaroni” pleading endlessly and one after the other on American television broadcasts, who pay lawyers, show-men and private investigators not much inclined to read the documentation.

That documentation was studied a lot by the Review and Court of Appeal judges, who confirmed preventive prison for the suspects, and the GUP Paolo Micheli, who has sentenced Rudy to thirty years in prison (with the abbreviated trial) and sent the ex-boyfriend and girlfriend to trial. This is a validation of the good work done by the investigators.

Lawyer Ghirga has not acted on a video in which the correctness of the findings of the forensic investigators is called into question, thereby attacking the protagonists of the case. But he will play his cards at the appropriate time in the trial, which resumes Friday.

“On a personal level I expressed my impressions to Dr. Mignini,” Ghirga said.

The lobbying work by Amanda’s side fits into a framework of traditional adversity by Americans when their fellow citizens are left in the hands of another country’s justice.



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"Azzeccagarbugli" : a disparaging term to indicate incompetent, worthless lawyers. Quite a heavy epithet, Not begninant at all!
"Le carte" : all that is related to the trial, all the files.

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All this just makes me wonder what the guy on the train had going for him:)

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Yes ..that was it. Ta.

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Guermantes wrote:
Thanks Michael. Tiziano at .org has posted the proper translation of this article. I'm re-posting it here, with thanks.


Thanks, Guermantes (and Tiziano) :)

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Apparently, all this talk has caused Bruce Fischer's forum to blow a gasket...it's down and is reporting the following error:

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Error: Foaming Rage - Containment Failure! :) :) :)

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 4:38 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

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Thanks Michael..WAIT !! I mean SAINT Michael :)


(((OT)))

Hi C, here's my favorite picture of St. Michael the Archangel. He is known as "Golden Boy" in Heaven. :)

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Michael is usually shown with a sword, or carrying the scales of justice. Renaissance paintings show him wearing armor. These symbolize his strength, courage, truth and integrity. Michael is engaged in a ceaseless war against the forces of evil. His most famous example of this occurred when he cast Lucifer and his followers out of Heaven.


Source: http://EzineArticles.com/36431

'Nobody' was trying to sound sarcastic but was actually doing Michael a favor by calling him St. Michael. It's very flattering to be compared to someone so splendid and noble; it's a tremendous compliment to Michael and his sense of justice. So, thanks Nobody for getting at least one thing right. ;)


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 4:43 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Nah, I doubt there'll be any room for me in Heaven...since Knox's supporters have reserved the whole place for St. Amanda :)

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 4:53 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

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Nah, I doubt there'll be any room for me in Heaven...since Knox's supporters have reserved the whole place for St. Amanda :)


:) :) la_) angel-)
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 5:04 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

guermantes wrote:
capealadin wrote:
Thanks Michael..WAIT !! I mean SAINT Michael :)


(((OT)))

Hi C, here's my favorite picture of St. Michael the Archangel. He is known as "Golden Boy" in Heaven. :)

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Michael is usually shown with a sword, or carrying the scales of justice. Renaissance paintings show him wearing armor. These symbolize his strength, courage, truth and integrity. Michael is engaged in a ceaseless war against the forces of evil. His most famous example of this occurred when he cast Lucifer and his followers out of Heaven.


Source: http://EzineArticles.com/36431

'Nobody' was trying to sound sarcastic but was actually doing Michael a favor by calling him St. Michael. It's very flattering to be compared to someone so splendid and noble; it's a tremendous compliment to Michael and his sense of justice. So, thanks Nobody for getting at least one thing right. ;)


I love it :)

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 5:07 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

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Apparently, all this talk has caused Bruce Fischer's forum to blow a gasket...it's down and is reporting the following error:

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Fatal error: Cannot redeclare display_albums() (previously declared in /home/bfish/public_html/includes/functions_display.php:38) in /home/bfish/public_html/includes/functions_display.php on line 477


Error: Foaming Rage - Containment Failure! :) :) :)


OOerr. FATAL error..it says. It's sending Bruce a message. sun-)

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 5:07 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Could have left out the "Golden Boy" bit though...

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 6:21 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Michael wrote:
Apparently, all this talk has caused Bruce Fischer's forum to blow a gasket...it's down and is reporting the following error:

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Fatal error: Cannot redeclare display_albums() (previously declared in /home/bfish/public_html/includes/functions_display.php:38) in /home/bfish/public_html/includes/functions_display.php on line 477


Error: Foaming Rage - Containment Failure! :) :) :)


Ha! Maybe he zorched it again like last time when he undertook that massive whitewashing to remove all traces of serial abuser and wanted criminal Franky "the fugitive" Sforza.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 6:55 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Bruce Fischer is helpless in managing his own forum software, so he wrote on the phpbb support forum asking for help: Fatal Error Post by Bfischer1234 » Tue Apr 16, 2013 4:52 am.

Apparently he didn't save the original file before making changes and that why he cannot revert the forum back.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 7:14 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Bruce Fischer is hilarious. He doesn't even know what database he is using! Let me help you with that: It's MySQL.

This is the support request he forwarded to the phpbb team:

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Support Request Template
What version of phpBB are you using? phpBB 3.0.11
What is your board's URL? http://www.injusticeanywhereforum.com
Who do you host your board with? Host Gator
How did you install your board? Someone else installed my board for me
What is the most recent action performed on your board? Conversion from another software
Is registration required to reproduce this issue? No
Do you have any MODs installed? Yes
What board software did you convert from? older version from Free Forums
What MODs do you have installed? Photo gallery, mini chat, redbar, ABBC3 BBCodes, Portal, Karma (disabled), thank you mod (disabled)
What styles do you currently have installed? Aero Blue
What language(s) is your board currently using? English
Which database type/version are you using? I Don't Know
What is your level of experience? New to PHP and phpBB
When did your problem begin? I edited the functions php and it knocked the site offline
Please describe your problem. Fatal error: Cannot redeclare display_albums() (previously declared in
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 7:33 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Congratulations to Bruce Fischer who finally managed to replace two files on his server. Better luck next time when installing a new mod!
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 7:36 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

His only option is to contact Hostgator (I don't know why he's asking on the PHPBB site, if he's not backed everything up they can't help) and have them reinstall the back-up of his MySQL tables (or whole site if that doesn't work). They create a back-up of every site each Saturday. It'll cost him $15. He may end up losing all posts made since Saturday though. No loss there.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 7:39 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Nell wrote:
Congratulations to Bruce Fischer who finally managed to replace to files on his server. Better luck next time when installing a new mod!


I think he was upgrading the board to version PHPBB3.11 rather then installing a new Mod. That's always tricky. One MUST always back everything up before even trying that.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 7:53 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

hhhmmm, I just looked. Okay, he was trying to do something else completely different :)

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 7:58 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Michael wrote:
Nell wrote:
Congratulations to Bruce Fischer who finally managed to replace to files on his server. Better luck next time when installing a new mod!


I think he was upgrading the board to version PHPBB3.11 rather then installing a new Mod. That's always tricky. One MUST always back everything up before even trying that.


That's what he said: "The PM buttons under the avatars were not working so I figured I had made a mistake with recent edits in the function php so I put the previously saved functions php back in and it knocked the site offline."

Someone should have explained to him that a backup before you proceed to make edits and major changes is always a good idea.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 8:00 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Michael wrote:
hhhmmm, I just looked. Okay, he was trying to do something else completely different :)


... and he did it again. This time in line 90.

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Fatal error: Call to undefined function phpbb_realpath() in /home/bfish/public_html/includes/session.php on line 90
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 8:01 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

... and back again to line 477 in another file.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 8:05 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

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I added them back in and now I am back online but I am faced with multiple problems. Half the time the forum says it has no forums. Its goes back and forth. the gallery is not working, The PM's don't work. I guess I now have my work cut out for me.



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Post by Mick » Tue Apr 16, 2013 7:42 am

All you *should* have to do is add the edits you made previously to the files you replaced. Don't forget to backup!

Edit: You could find you have a lot of these types of issues seeing as the files aren't originally from here, you should consider doing a file replacement. You will retain all your users and posts but all the MODs will be removed. At least that way you'll know where you are and your board will be up to date.


This could be fun.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 8:10 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

I need that eating popcorn emoticon.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 8:14 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Or perhaps, more apt :) ...


EDIT: This was meant as an off-the-cuff joke in regard to Fischer's forum, but I'm deleting it. It may not be the best thing to post in light of the recent terrible tragedy in Boston.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 8:32 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

First wise move in a long time: "The forum is currently offline for maintenance. We will send out an email when we come back online. We are sorry for the inconvenience."
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:21 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Amanda Knox, ecco il libro: «Il mio inferno in Italia, vittima di molestie in carcere»
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Martedì 16 Aprile 2013 - 11:52 Ultimo aggiornamento: 11:53
http://www.quotidianodipuglia.it/primop ... 5788.shtml

"Sex, one of the fuses that inflamed the process of Perugia, returns to animate the book in great detail. "

(I think everyone is pretty much bored to death already with the topic sex + Amanda)
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:52 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Michael wrote:
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Thanks for the vid, Itchy. Super..in that it makes me fee really normal :)

I also remember..apropos conflicting statements about Knox's stay at the holiday farm..( La Capanne)...a Minister or someone..saying that Knox said her Trial was fair. ( First time around..and MOST certainly the second ). Now..I guess not :)

Oh..not to worry, Tamale..about Nobody. He walks in darkness. He couldn't even see how well he was treated. It's ike he's fighting...with HIMSELF. !!!

Thanks Michael..WAIT !! I mean SAINT Michael :) For the translations and news. Same to everyone else for the news. You people are ON IT !!

Now St. Michael..no more FFS's. :)


Knox's own lawyers said she got a fair trial...as did Knox herself:

Amanda Knox says she has no complaints about trial
Amanda Knox believes she received a fair trial for the murder of her British flat mate, Meredith Kercher, but is confident her 26-year prison sentence will be overturned on appeal.

By Nick Squires in Rome
Published: 2:58PM GMT 09 Dec 2009


Speaking for the first time since a jury in Perugia convicted her of the sexual assault and murder, Knox said the 11-month trial was conducted "correctly".

The remarks sidestepped a growing furore in the United States, where legal experts and media commentators have angrily condemned the verdict as a miscarriage of justice based on flawed evidence, anti-Americanism and character assassination.

As Knox and her lawyers prepare an appeal, she has elected to work in the laundry of the female wing of Capanne prison, near Perugia, and hopes to continue her language studies with a distance learning course with her old university.

She spends much of her time, as she has over the last two years since being jailed on suspicion of murder a few days after the crime, writing and reading, which she said "helps me to survive, day by day."
Speaking to an Italian MP who visited her in prison, Walter Verini, she said she had no complaints about the legal process.

"The trial was carried out correctly," she said. "My rights were respected, I believe so."
"I still have faith in Italian justice. I have a crazy urge to be free but there is only one path I have chosen for leaving here, and that is the appeal that my lawyers are preparing."

Knox, 22, burst into tears last week when she was convicted, after 13 hours of deliberation, by a jury in the university town of Perugia, in Umbria, of murdering Miss Kercher, 21, of Coulsdon, Surrey, in the hillside cottage the two young women shared.

She was sentenced to 26 years in jail, while her co-defendant and former boyfriend, Italian IT graduate Raffaele Sollecito, received 25 years.

Her first appeal hearing is expected to be held late next year, and any criticism of the initial investigation and subsequent trial is likely to be poorly received by a judicial system which was angered by attacks from across the Atlantic.

She chose her words carefully, "like a lawyer or a diplomat", according to Corriere della Sera newspaper, which was briefed on the meeting by Mr Verini, of the centre-left Democratic Party.
Knox has been moved from her old cell, which she shared with three women prisoners, to a smaller, two-bed cell equipped with two desks, two wardrobes and a television.

Her new cellmate is a fellow American, a 53-year-old woman from Louisiana who is serving a four-year sentence for drug dealing.

Knox spoke of her bitter disappointment at being found guilty of the murder, which she denies having any part in. "I thought I would be home for Christmas, but instead I have to wait," she said.

A senator from Knox's home state of Washington has said she has "serious questions" about the Italian justice system and fears the trial may have been influenced by "anti-Americanism". But the US State Department said this week that it had no "indications... that Italian law was not followed."
Knox, who went to a Jesuit school in Seattle, attended Mass in the prison on Saturday night, the day after she was convicted.

The prison's chaplain, Father Saulo Scarabattoli, said she had found comfort with nuns from nearby Assisi, who visit the prison a regular basis.

"I've only known her for two years and how she was before that, I cannot say. But to me it's difficult to imagine as a witch," he said.

Knox's mother, Edda Mellas, is expected to visit the US embassy in Rome on Friday to discuss the case with the American ambassador.

Sollecito, 25, from the southern city of Bari, will also appeal his conviction.
"He's in a bad way," his lawyer, Luca Maori, told La Stampa newspaper. "He's lost all sense of time and space. He just keeps asking: 'When I can get out?'"


THE TELEGRAPH



Amanda Knox Says Her Murder Trial Was 'Correct'
Amanda Knox Expected to be Home for Christmas, Not Convicted of Murder

BY ANN WISE
PERUGIA, Italy Dec. 9, 2009



Amanda Knox has told an Italian member of Parliament that she had expected to be home for Christmas, but despite the crushing disappointment of being convicted of murder said her trial was "correct" and that she still has faith in Italian courts.

Knox made her comments to Walter Verini, a Parliamentarian representing the region of Umbria where Knox is jailed, four days after a jury found her guilty of murdering British roommate Meredith Kercher on Nov. 1, 2007.

The midnight verdict last Friday and 26 year prison sentence left Knox crying "No, no, no" as she was taken from the courtroom, and triggered criticism by her family and American commentators. Some claimed that the Italian court has been influenced by anti-Americanism and tabloid press coverage of the trial.

Knox, 22, was dressed in a track suit and reading in her cell, Verini said, when he came around with staff from the Capanne prison just outside Perugia. She was very cordial to him, and gave the impression of being "apparently calm," Verini said.

"I thought I would be home for Christmas," Knox told Verini. "But instead I have to wait."

Knox told Verini she could not wait to be free, but would put her trust in her lawyers' appeal and in the Italian legal system.

She was convicted along with her former boyfriend Raffaele Sollecito, 25, who as sentenced to 25 years in prison. A third person, Ivory Coast native Rudy Guede, had previously been convicted of taking part in the murder and was sentenced to 30 years.


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"I asked her if she had seen how her country had reacted to the verdict," said Verini. "She was evidently aware of everything that was happening, but did not say what effect she thought it would have on her legal situation."

He quoted Knox as saying that her trial was "correct," and that she "still has faith in the Italian legal system."

Knox's parents had lashed out at the verdict, saying jurors had ignored a lack of evidence that put Knox at the murder scene and the lack of a strong motive for her to kill Kercher.



ABC NEWS


Another article very much worthy of review:


Translation from the La Nazione - Umbria, by 'Kermit':

“Those American personalities are not helping Amanda”

Lawyer Ghirga: “I have spoken with Prosecutor Mignini”

by Enzo Beretta - Perugia

“There are people around the figure of Amanda who have no formal role in the student’s defence team, which is formed by myself together with my colleague Carlo Dalla Vedova.

These people are not only not helping our client in the difficult judicial process in the Corte d’Assise in which we have to defend her, but on the contrary, they are harming her judicial position.”

Luciano Ghirga, lawyer for the American accused by the prosecutor of sexually assaulting and killing Meredith Kercher with her former boyfriend Raffaele Sollecito and Rudy Hermann Guede, once again distances himself from the Stars-and-Stripes “know-it-alls” who repeatedly have tried to throw mud on the work of investigators and have even personally attacked Giuliano Mignini, head of the murder investigation.

There is strong evidence which supports the prosecution, unlike the “macaroni” pleading endlessly and one after the other on American television broadcasts, who pay lawyers, show-men and private investigators not much inclined to read the documentation.

That documentation was studied a lot by the Review and Court of Appeal judges, who confirmed preventive prison for the suspects, and the GUP Paolo Micheli, who has sentenced Rudy to thirty years in prison (with the abbreviated trial) and sent the ex-boyfriend and girlfriend to trial. This is a validation of the good work done by the investigators.

Lawyer Ghirga has not acted on a video in which the correctness of the findings of the forensic investigators is called into question, thereby attacking the protagonists of the case. But he will play his cards at the appropriate time in the trial, which resumes Friday.

“On a personal level I expressed my impressions to Dr. Mignini,” Ghirga said.

The lobbying work by Amanda’s side fits into a framework of traditional adversity by Americans when their fellow citizens are left in the hands of another country’s justice.



Note on the above by Nicki:

Nicki wrote:
"Azzeccagarbugli" : a disparaging term to indicate incompetent, worthless lawyers. Quite a heavy epithet, Not begninant at all!
"Le carte" : all that is related to the trial, all the files.



Sooo the US PR campaign and Mellas's attempts to sway the internet was just pwned by their own Italian lawyer? Oh dear. Between the SC verdict, Bruce's IT issues and Ghirga telling the USA lot to STFU and sit the F-k down, its been a bad couple of weeks for Amanda Knox.

Let's hope this run continues right to a sentence reinstatement. I wonder how many times a day Knox wishes she had "done a Rudy" and gone fast track. This will all be over for Rudy inside the next 18mths, sentence served and hopefully a life to be lived atoning for his crime through a life of good actions. He's the only one to attempt an apology for his actions and I hope that apology becomes a full account of that night so the facts are know, the Kerchers can stop wrestling with the unknown images of Meredith's final hour (better to know the hideous truth than imagine something worse, right?), and the courts can start dishing out some proper justice. Knox and Sollecito will be fighting this case in two years time with no resolution and the cloud hanging over them. When you consider that Knox will never see $4m*, she'll be paying her lawyers for the rest of her life.

* $4m was the total deal, with a full sales prediction met and the ability to sell internationally. Thanks to the SC, she has lost European sales (the Germans think K&S are as guilty as the Italians do so I can't see it selling well on this side of the Atlantic - there are many people looking to torrent the book so she doesn't get a penny, I applaud piracy in this case!), she has lost some of her US fanbase and by the time the SC ruling comes around, that book will be in the bargain bin. The ABC interview will be a total let down if all she focuses on is her time inside/how the world wants to shag her and not what happened that night. If she makes $1m (over what ABC/HC have already ponied up for her parents), I'll be more than a little surprised.
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Michael wrote:
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Cassazione rulings cannot be appealed in Italy, zorba. They must be referring to the European Court of Human Justice, which rarely rules on such picayune matters. How can she argue her human rights were violated? She caused Patrick to lose his business. Her supporters are just wandering around in shock right now, saying whatever.



Yes thought so, I know about the European Court, this is not a matter for that.

So that guy is just shouting his mouth off. I have seen the guy on so many forums, under so many different names, one can only guess who is as fanatical as that, I know who I reckon it is.



Yes, he's talking complete and utter shite.


I like it when they spread these kinds of untruths. It makes the shock and awe when the opposite inevitably happens to what the Knox supporters so confidently spout much more interesting to watch. The amount of "...but but but you said she was acquitted and that was final. Why is she writing a book?" comments I've seen over the last few days is truly amazing.

Worst. PR campaign. Ever.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 11:09 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

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Oh my!! Drunk again, are we?? Apologies for the email challenging you on the evidence. Can't take it...I guess. Poor Peter.
I guess this means you should stop calling... And remember what Mom and Dad said about people who live in glass houses. Now you won't be able to answer the question foremost in my mind, which is why you keep imposing yourself on this board since you banned yourself, and all??
Bored sigh, Bettina

Thanks Ergon, for removing Peters drunken spittle.



Heavy drinking and posting online really don't mix.


Mind you, posting mindless drivel here is better than my usual online drunken shenanigans...I usually start buying useless tat from Ebay then have that surprise the next morning of an empty bank account and a post office full of bizarre and sometimes wonderful things haha!

Seriously, Peter, posting rants like that, I'm starting to wonder if the Frank shit was 6/2x3's. It sounds like everyone got drunk and the row wasn't pretty. Tamale on the other hand, sounds on the level still. And Frank's still an arsehole.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:37 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

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Sooo the US PR campaign and Mellas's attempts to sway the internet was just pwned by their own Italian lawyer? Oh dear. Between the SC verdict, Bruce's IT issues and Ghirga telling the USA lot to STFU and sit the F-k down, its been a bad couple of weeks for Amanda Knox.



No, sorry Daisy, perhaps I should of made it clearer. That complaint from Ghirga wasn't made recently, it was made back during the time of the trial...it's an old article. But, it is simply worth noting, Amanda's own lawyers in the past have requested that the nonsense made on Amanda's behalf stop...and they've been totally ignored because Amanda's supporters accross the pond felt that they knew best.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:12 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Michael wrote:
DaisySteiner wrote:
Sooo the US PR campaign and Mellas's attempts to sway the internet was just pwned by their own Italian lawyer? Oh dear. Between the SC verdict, Bruce's IT issues and Ghirga telling the USA lot to STFU and sit the F-k down, its been a bad couple of weeks for Amanda Knox.



No, sorry Daisy, perhaps I should of made it clearer. That complaint from Ghirga wasn't made recently, it was made back during the time of the trial...it's an old article. But, it is simply worth noting, Amanda's own lawyers in the past have requested that the nonsense made on Amanda's behalf stop...and they've been totally ignored because Amanda's supporters accross the pond felt that they knew best.


Ah makes sense. Also explains more why its going belly up and the "shock and awe" of everything being opposite to how they expect. The acquittal that now never was is going to be the only highpoint of this case. Its all downhill now.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 2:09 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

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Nah, I doubt there'll be any room for me in Heaven...since Knox's supporters have reserved the whole place for St. Amanda :)


I'll save you a place Michael. ;)

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 2:56 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

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First wise move in a long time: "The forum is currently offline for maintenance. We will send out an email when we come back online. We are sorry for the inconvenience."


HAHA!

OMG the Board of Directors of his famous organization will surely ask for his resignation, caught without a disaster recovery plan at such a critical junction, with the Sawyer interview, book release, and possibly the SC motivation less than two weeks away! So much responsibility was entrusted to him.

I love that Michael put up the Ghirga quotes, as a reminder that all of Fischer's "work" is in vain; it does Knox no good whatsoever. Priceless!
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 3:02 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Nell wrote:
Michael wrote:
hhhmmm, I just looked. Okay, he was trying to do something else completely different :)


... and he did it again. This time in line 90.

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Fatal error: Call to undefined function phpbb_realpath() in /home/bfish/public_html/includes/session.php on line 90



Aye aye aye, verily, and in the days when the beasts roamed the earth and none had been begotten, aye,

there came a light down to earth, all those with eyes say aye,

then on that day a child was born, all those with ears say, ere ere,

but there was one that was not begotten for he was the product of a donkey and a mule, all those with long faces and even longer ears say eee aaaw,

da lord works in mysterious ways, verily, and not one of these lambs shall be served with mint sauce


And in Muslim terms In'sh Allah, is this karma or what, I hope his computer melts

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 4:16 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Thank you so much Nell and Michael for the huge laughs..ouright guffaws at the collapse of you know who's site. AND..how he did it all by his little lonesome self :) :)

Karma is definitely having a wonderful time. Now, I'm no techie..but even I know not to fiddle around with things I know nothing about. Bruce didn't KNOW WHO HIS SERVER WAS????????? Jesus Wept.

I think he f**ked up when rattling his Paypal box..wondering where da money is :)

What an incompetent ...in every which way. His *followers* must be slightly agog by this stage.

And here's Nell and Michael...with fluid ease...telling BF what's going on. UNBELIEVABLEE!!!

Jackie: There's an avatar just waiting to be seen :)

LOLS for Daisy. I hope the good stuff bought on Ebay ( when in a carefree mood) was bought from me :)

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 4:19 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

zorba wrote:
Nell wrote:
Michael wrote:
hhhmmm, I just looked. Okay, he was trying to do something else completely different :)


... and he did it again. This time in line 90.

Quote:
Fatal error: Call to undefined function phpbb_realpath() in /home/bfish/public_html/includes/session.php on line 90



Aye aye aye, verily, and in the days when the beasts roamed the earth and none had been begotten, aye,

there came a light down to earth, all those with eyes say aye,

then on that day a child was born, all those with ears say, ere ere,

but there was one that was not begotten for he was the product of a donkey and a mule, all those with long faces and even longer ears say eee aaaw,

da lord works in mysterious ways, verily, and not one of these lambs shall be served with mint sauce


And in Muslim terms In'sh Allah, is this karma or what, I hope his computer melts

God's will

Rodent Skin guy being punished


Hilarious Zorba :)

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 4:25 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Nell wrote:
Bruce Fischer is hilarious. He doesn't even know what database he is using! Let me help you with that: It's MySQL.

This is the support request he forwarded to the phpbb team:

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Support Request Template
What version of phpBB are you using? phpBB 3.0.11
What is your board's URL? http://www.injusticeanywhereforum.com
Who do you host your board with? Host Gator
How did you install your board? Someone else installed my board for me
What is the most recent action performed on your board? Conversion from another software
Is registration required to reproduce this issue? No
Do you have any MODs installed? Yes
What board software did you convert from? older version from Free Forums
What MODs do you have installed? Photo gallery, mini chat, redbar, ABBC3 BBCodes, Portal, Karma (disabled), thank you mod (disabled)
What styles do you currently have installed? Aero Blue
What language(s) is your board currently using? English
Which database type/version are you using? I Don't Know
What is your level of experience? New to PHP and phpBB
When did your problem begin? I edited the functions php and it knocked the site offline
Please describe your problem. Fatal error: Cannot redeclare display_albums() (previously declared in
/home/bfish/public_html/includes/functions_display.php:38) in
/home/bfish/public_html/includes/functions_display.php on line 477


IT appears that you were all correct. I am no techie, but it appears that Bruce's Karma is disabled!!!
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 4:25 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

I have to say....*That * site has been the source of some really amusing stuff lately. Considering the content is usually SO freakin boring p-(((

NOT that they meant it to be. ;) Even so..I'm betting more gits and shiggles are on the way..especially when Bruce tries to worm his way out of this one. A la Frank. Perhaps he'll get a clue..and go with the * Silence is Golden * . Except silence forever is the best way for him to go.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 4:34 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Naps..at what point ..in looking at all the stuff in orange..did you shudder? I was like * eh? But I do know this.

BIG TIME F*CK UP. I don't know why I'm humming * Kum-ba-yah* :)

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 4:50 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

capealadin wrote:
Naps..at what point ..in looking at all the stuff in orange..did you shudder? I was like * eh? But I do know this.

BIG TIME F*CK UP. I don't know why I'm humming * Kum-ba-yah* :)


Haha! I didn't shudder at all! The only word that I understood in the entire post was KARMA!
Bruce has made it known to me on more than one occasion that he finds my weak sarcasm entertaining. I'm always glad to oblige. I am slightly curious about why he didn't go to one of his friends in high places for assistance with this problem. Didn't I read somewhere that he had the help of a computer geek in setting up his site?
He probably should have just called Frank. It was my understanding that, for the right amount, he can fix almost anything. All Frank needs to do is shout at the computer, call it a nobody, and threaten to sue it, and it would have fixed everything. Frank snapped all of the Groupies back into their harnesses that way! Call him, Bruce.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 5:13 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Naps....Yeah...:)

The thing is: Bruce is just not very bright. That's not his fault..it is what it is. In his life..people who know him prolly just roll their eyes..and carry on. But..he put himself out there..in the public eye. Public ridicule therefore follows.

Frank would have asked for too much, methinks. He's got them by the balls already, imo. He'll want an upgrade on the Smart Car. ( Bruce doesn't drive one of those, I'm sure :) Although I'm sure he's smarting now........

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 5:36 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

capealadin wrote:
Naps....Yeah...:)

The thing is: Bruce is just not very bright. That's not his fault..it is what it is. In his life..people who know him prolly just roll their eyes..and carry on. But..he put himself out there..in the public eye. Public ridicule therefore follows.

Frank would have asked for too much, methinks. He's got them by the balls already, imo. He'll want an upgrade on the Smart Car. ( Bruce doesn't drive one of those, I'm sure :) Although I'm sure he's smarting now........


There is a bright side to this, cape. The WayBack machine still works up to a point. So, at least one resident of Vashon will be able to go back and continually read and re-read all of the wonderful things she continually says about herself. Should keep her busy for awhile anyway! hbc)
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 5:42 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

http://www.truejustice.org/ee/index.php ... y_shares_/

This is a link to Kermit's TJMK Powerpoint presentation of a sneak preview of the Diane Sawyer interview. (thanks, Kermit).
Let's hope MY Karma's working. Always a crapshoot when I copy something.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 6:06 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Napia5 wrote:
capealadin wrote:
Naps....Yeah...:)

The thing is: Bruce is just not very bright. That's not his fault..it is what it is. In his life..people who know him prolly just roll their eyes..and carry on. But..he put himself out there..in the public eye. Public ridicule therefore follows.

Frank would have asked for too much, methinks. He's got them by the balls already, imo. He'll want an upgrade on the Smart Car. ( Bruce doesn't drive one of those, I'm sure :) Although I'm sure he's smarting now........


There is a bright side to this, cape. The WayBack machine still works up to a point. So, at least one resident of Vashon will be able to go back and continually read and re-read all of the wonderful things she continually says about herself. Should keep her busy for awhile anyway! hbc)


Dingdingdingdingding.........

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 6:14 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Prison official Raffaele Argiro being somewhat in the news, here's his lawyer, Daniela Paccoi arguing somewhat eloquently, that the accusation about him molesting an inmate is all a crock. I love when the interviewer asks about Amanda Knox, and she points out, "yeah, she's been found guilty of callunia, hasn't she?"

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 6:45 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

capealadin wrote:
zorba wrote:
Nell wrote:
Michael wrote:
hhhmmm, I just looked. Okay, he was trying to do something else completely different :)


... and he did it again. This time in line 90.

Quote:
Fatal error: Call to undefined function phpbb_realpath() in /home/bfish/public_html/includes/session.php on line 90



Aye aye aye, verily, and in the days when the beasts roamed the earth and none had been begotten, aye,

there came a light down to earth, all those with eyes say aye,

then on that day a child was born, all those with ears say, ere ere,

but there was one that was not begotten for he was the product of a donkey and a mule, all those with long faces and even longer ears say eee aaaw,

da lord works in mysterious ways, verily, and not one of these lambs shall be served with mint sauce


And in Muslim terms In'sh Allah, is this karma or what, I hope his computer melts

God's will

Rodent Skin guy being punished


Hilarious Zorba :)



You know what, on logging in just now, suddenly had my sermon in mind and the computer expert, and tried to sign in with the password AMEN

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 6:54 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

She says in the interview, after so many years of exemplary, generous service, this person comes along, accused and found guilty of Calumnia and proceeds to place a stain on this good man's name.


una persona disperata

a desperate person, she's taken all of this money for writing a book

the man has never been in trouble in or outside of prison in all of those years then this person comes along, already found guilty of calumnia and does this

è una vergogna - it is disgraceful behaviour from Knox

[if the American government fails to act when the request to extradite her is made, then we may as well all sign a deal with the devil = what I say]

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 7:01 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Please proper Italian speaker(s) translate and transcribe the interview from the above video.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 7:09 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

he never ever stayed in or outside of a cell with her alone

gravissimo.. very severe very serious to accuse an innocent man with these accusations

he has always been devoted to his job and his family and always did his best to serve

[That filthy, dirty, lying, unforgivable, nasty murdering bitch = what I think and say]

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 7:54 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Bottom line is, zorba, he hasn't been charged, and it's not connected with Meredith Kercher's murder, so it's just a pre-book launch publicity stunt. Not a coincidence that Frank Sfarzo posted that on Perugia Shock after staying with the Mellases and the Vashon Island whooper. Candace Dempsey and all the others who were there are running with it too.

Hmm, I wonder if Amanda Knox would mention Frank as being 'obsessed with sex with her'? Surely, that truth is waiting to be heard, too ;)
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 8:19 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

A lunchtime OT.

I had to call an online centre to find out about something I had bought. I asked for Nathan..and a pleasant chappie asked if he could help me. I said fine..and proceeded to give him some background.

I then asked * To whom am I speaking*? (customary for me..in the event of a problem down the line.)

There was a looong pause..and finally he got out..* umm..umm. my name..umm. * This went on for QUITE some time. He seemed totally stuck. I started agonozing for him..and finally had to fight the urge to SUGGEST some names :)

He finally..finally got out * I'm James *. Phew. I was so relieved for him. First time that ever happened to me. In any event ..he decided to put me through to Nathan..I thanked him sweetly..He's obviously a bit challenged..and I think it's great that organizations give people like James a chance.

I will say..that when I put the phone down..I allowed myself a little laugh..because it WAS a bit funny.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 9:08 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

OT also, but I feel the need. I finally had the opportunity to catch up on my reading about the awful happenings in Boston. God help all of those poor people. And a deep sense of gratitude fills me upon reading about all of the help pouring in from others in and around this fine city. Boston, your citizens are made of great stuff.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:28 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Ergon wrote:
Bottom line is, zorba, he hasn't been charged, and it's not connected with Meredith Kercher's murder, so it's just a pre-book launch publicity stunt. Not a coincidence that Frank Sfarzo posted that on Perugia Shock after staying with the Mellases and the Vashon Island whooper. Candace Dempsey and all the others who were there are running with it too.

Hmm, I wonder if Amanda Knox would mention Frank as being 'obsessed with sex with her'? Surely, that truth is waiting to be heard, too ;)


'
Right, it went something like when she announced she wanted to go to Italy, dad said, well this is what we have, oh that's okay she said, I'll work, and she did, she worked two jobs said dad.

So what dad meant was, we aren't made of money and at the time he or they, whoever they was (parents), were realistic, that she had to be able to stand on her own two feet, so the idea that she was loaded and had rich parents who could and would supply endless amounts of money is again, I think, a lie to suit the situation,
so there definitely was a reason to rob Meredith,
Knox had little money,
what, does anyone believe Italy is like an impoverished nation where people live on 10 dollars a month or less,
silly,
no,
it's expensive enough and the amount she had would have gone nowhere, and that's why she wanted, needed, to work,
then stoned out of her tiny, yes, very tiny little mind, she blamed Meredith for her own failings,
when she herself misbehaved and was unlikeable, and so blamed things on others, which we now know she has a patent on. Blame everyone else (trademark and copyright).

With the book, they said, well what do YOU have? And she must have said, I'll think of some stuff, and she had been doing that all along, and always blaming everyone else.

When it suited her and her family to say the prison people understood and also thought she was innocent, they put that line out,
later on when they needed to put more people down and demonize Italy and Italians, she grabbed whatever she could, weird or not, that it yet again it involved sex, it's simply her own main theme, not the theme in newspapers, it's her who was fixated on sexual things but in an unhealthy dangerous way.

So one minute they were kind and believed her, next minute they were all out to have sex with her.

Mmm, yes, I see said the blind man


I bet spineless Sollecito was willing to go along with anything just as long as he was getting laid, simple as that, and I bet she had ideas about trying things out by hook or by crook, mostly by crook it appears and lines of this and that, it seems so anyhow. My belief i that they were whacked oin a cocktail of stimulants, including perhaps methamphetamine, coke, perhaps heroin, who knows, I do know for certain they were not just smoking weed.


Her T-shirt in huge blood red letters worn to this serious court case session, should have read: All I need is sex and a rape fantasy put into effect

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:31 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Napia5 wrote:
OT also, but I feel the need. I finally had the opportunity to catch up on my reading about the awful happenings in Boston. God help all of those poor people. And a deep sense of gratitude fills me upon reading about all of the help pouring in from others in and around this fine city. Boston, your citizens are made of great stuff.



I was very, very upset and moved to tears when I saw the news today again and the photos of the little boy and girl, it's heartbreaking, it's impossible to grasp how someone could be so wicked.

Feel so terrible for the sadnes heaped on all those there, awful, tragic, astonishingly cruel, goodness help us.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:32 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Ex-Freund von Knox bangt um Schweizer Aufenthaltsbewilligung/Knox's ex-boyfriend fears for Swiss residence permit
By Vincenzo Capodici. Aktualisiert am 16.04.2013
http://bazonline.ch/schweiz/standard/Ex ... y/15000678

Still no decision on Raffie's permit to stay in Switzerland. I have to go to sleep now, so here is only a rough google translation for now:

"...
Contrary to his hope makes Sollecito to talk about and hype. His stay in Switzerland has become a political and legal dispute. The Ticino government must answer questions from the Parliament and the cantonal migration office investigate the case Sollecito. Sollecito reportedly cheated on his request for obtaining the residence permit B, which is issued to foreigners from the EU / EFTA area for five years.
...
In a recent opinion, the Ticino government writes that the concealment of a pending criminal proceeding could result in revocation of the permit. The Migration Office now runs through investigations on the case of Sollecito as a media spokesperson for the Ticino Security Directorate announced this afternoon at the request of baz.ch / Newsnet announced. So far there is still no decision.
..."


And here is a statement issued by the Ticino government in Italian on April 9th (I believe it hasn't been posted yet?):

http://www3.ti.ch//CAN/cartellastampa/p ... 543191.pdf


Bonne nuit :)
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:50 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Sollecito is back on ask.fm When do you take residence in Lugano? " I already have it".
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 11:22 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Michael wrote:
An old article on 'Sexgate' - Google Translate:

Lawyers for Amanda: "She never complained about Inspector Argiro"

PERUGIA, OCTOBER 5 - Amanda Knox "has never complained about the behavior of the prison inspector Raffaele Argiro" 'and "never mentioned his name" say the defenders of the American, lawyers Carlo Dalla Vedova and Luciano Ghirga, commenting to ANSA as reported today by the tabloid Sun.

The reconstruction proposed by the British newspaper refers to the second memorial written by the young Seattle while she was in prison in Perugia. "In the diary - the Advocate Ghirga said - Amanda never wrote the name Argiro."

"We are grateful to the prison administration of Tabernacles - said the lawyer Dalla Vedova - for the cooperation given to the needs of the family. Amanda has never reported violations against him. She received treatment absolutely correct and the maximum solidarity, respecting the roles, especially in the women's section. "

Argiro was not until June deputy commander of the prison in Perugia. He is currently deputy coordinator of the core translations of the same structure.


BLITZQUOTIDIANO

(the referred to Sun article was written by Knox shill Bob Graham)


Still on the subject of the prison guard and sexual harassment accusations. Here's that old Sun article, Michael; it's worth re-reading what Bob Graham wrote back then. He didn't mention that Knox had complained about the guard in a 'letter to a friend', but claimed that there existed a written account in her diary of what had transpired in jail between her and the guard. As I said, very fishy. The ridiculous propaganda just goes on and on. Perhaps the story keeps changing because they just want to keep the distraction from Knox's future troubles going as long as possible.

Amanda Knox’s prison sex ordeal
By Bob Graham in Perugia, Italy; 05th October 2011

FREED Amanda Knox was repeatedly questioned in intimate detail about her sex life by a male guard while in jail.

Knox, 24, cleared of killing British flatmate Meredith Kercher, kept a diary of her private interviews.
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Knox’s revelations were made in a written account of her four-year detention at Italy’s La Capanne jail near Perugia — the city where fellow student Meredith, 21, was stabbed to death in 2007.
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Knox’s account of her questioning by the guard is set to become a key part of demands for an inquiry into her treatment in jail.

She acknowledged his role was to investigate her after her arrest and to see how she reacted to provocation.

But she wrote: “He accompanied me to almost all my medical visits — two times a day — and at night he called me up to the third floor in an empty office for a ‘chit-chat’.

When approached by The Sun, the guard admitted asking language student Knox privately about how many boyfriends she had. But he insisted: “It was always HER who started talking about sex.”

“When I repeated to him that I knew nothing about Meredith’s murder, he tried to talk to me about her — I told him always that she was my friend — or provoke me into talking about sex."

“I realise he was testing me to see if I reacted badly, to understand my personality (to be a murderer, as he supposed). He also wanted to know with whom I had gone to bed, probably to give the police other names of suspects.”

She said the guard asked her to list ex-lovers. Knox provided six names, going back to her time in Seattle. But the names emerged in the local Italian media as men she had slept with in the two months she had been in the country.

The guard admitted to The Sun that he was present when the first test was carried out. He said: “Because of the laws of privacy I was not supposed to be there. But doctors wanted me there in case she reacted badly and did something wrong.” He also confessed he quizzed Knox about the night Meredith was killed in a bid to help the prosecution case against her.

But he said this was normal procedure and maintained he always followed prison rules.

He denied Knox was asked for a list of previous lovers and insisted there was no leak from him or other jail staff.

Knox’s family complained about his grillings. Her stepdad Chris Mellas said: “Frankly, I wanted to kick him in the place it hurts most. She was a young, frightened and vulnerable girl who was in prison for something she didn’t do. Her life and mind were in turmoil.”


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 11:32 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Michael wrote:
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Oh my!! Drunk again, are we?? Apologies for the email challenging you on the evidence. Can't take it...I guess. Poor Peter.
I guess this means you should stop calling... And remember what Mom and Dad said about people who live in glass houses. Now you won't be able to answer the question foremost in my mind, which is why you keep imposing yourself on this board since you banned yourself, and all??
Bored sigh, Bettina

Thanks Ergon, for removing Peters drunken spittle.



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Thank you so much Nell and Michael for the huge laughs..ouright guffaws at the collapse of you know who's site. AND..how he did it all by his little lonesome self :) :)

Karma is definitely having a wonderful time. Now, I'm no techie..but even I know not to fiddle around with things I know nothing about. Bruce didn't KNOW WHO HIS SERVER WAS????????? Jesus Wept.

I think he f**ked up when rattling his Paypal box..wondering where da money is :)

What an incompetent ...in every which way. His *followers* must be slightly agog by this stage.

And here's Nell and Michael...with fluid ease...telling BF what's going on. UNBELIEVABLEE!!!

Jackie: There's an avatar just waiting to be seen :)

LOLS for Daisy. I hope the good stuff bought on Ebay ( when in a carefree mood) was bought from me :)


Well, it is admirable that at his age he is taking the plunge into learning php.

He managed to get his forum back online, but cannot quote or reply to posts.

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Re: Fatal Error
Post by Bfischer1234 » Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:44 pm
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Okay, I have reinstalled the files as instructed. The forum is online in the basic form. The forum is in tact but I cannot reply to posts or quote a post. It returns this error.

Fatal error: Call to undefined method bbcode::BBvideo_pass() in /home/bfish/public_html/includes/bbcode.php(112) : regexp code on line 1

Source


Bruce Fischer has collected a lot of money from his supporters for all kinds of costs that a not yet registered non-profit organisation could face, but somehow, after collecting hundreds of dollars, he didn't have the foresight to leave the installation and modification of his forum to a professional, instead he is meddling with the core files of the system. What an idiot.

Last year around Christmas, he said he was in the process of registering Injustice Anywhere as a non-profit organisation. Now, almost 4 months later, I bet the status of his pseudo organisation hasn't changed.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 11:49 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

People at .org have done some good online research re: Bob Graham's changing claims and we are grateful for the links to the 48 Hours Mystery documentary Amanda Knox: The Untold Story that aired on Oct 8, 2011:

'48 Hours Mystery' to Broadcast 'Amanda Knox: The Untold Story' Saturday, October 8

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Investigative journalist and CBS News Consultant Bob Graham, reading from Amanda’s letter to him: “‘He was fixated on the topic of sex, with whom I’d done it, how I liked it, if I would like to do it with him. When I realized that he really wanted to talk to me about sex I would try to change the subject.’”

Correspondent Peter Van Sant: “What does this letter say to you about what she’s been going through?”

Graham: “It says in a time when she was clearly traumatized by the events of the death, the murder of her flatmate, that there she was, an innocent abroad, because she was innocent, she is innocent… and here she was being pressured, further pressured in a prison system, a system that at least she should have had some degree of safety.”

Graham, reading Amanda's letter: “‘I realize that he was testing me to see if I reacted badly, to understand me personally. He wanted to get a reaction or some information from me. I did not get the seriousness of the situation."


So, now it turns out that the letter was addressed to Graham himself, and he is Knox's mysterious 'friend'? Priceless!

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Amanda Knox:The Untold Story (full of lies) is still available to watch online:

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7383976n


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 12:18 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

guermantes wrote:
People at .org have done some good online research re: Bob Graham's changing claims and we are grateful for the links to the 48 Hours Mystery documentary Amanda Knox: The Untold Story that aired on Oct 8, 2011:

'48 Hours Mystery' to Broadcast 'Amanda Knox: The Untold Story' Saturday, October 8

Quote:
Investigative journalist and CBS News Consultant Bob Graham, reading from Amanda’s letter to him: “‘He was fixated on the topic of sex, with whom I’d done it, how I liked it, if I would like to do it with him. When I realized that he really wanted to talk to me about sex I would try to change the subject.’”

Correspondent Peter Van Sant: “What does this letter say to you about what she’s been going through?”

Graham: “It says in a time when she was clearly traumatized by the events of the death, the murder of her flatmate, that there she was, an innocent abroad, because she was innocent, she is innocent… and here she was being pressured, further pressured in a prison system, a system that at least she should have had some degree of safety.”

Graham, reading Amanda's letter: “‘I realize that he was testing me to see if I reacted badly, to understand me personally. He wanted to get a reaction or some information from me. I did not get the seriousness of the situation."


So, now it turns out that the letter was addressed to Graham himself, and he is Knox's mysterious 'friend'? Priceless!

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Amanda Knox:The Untold Story (full of lies) is still available to watch online:

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7383976n


Does anyone else find it strange that Amanda Knox confides this delicate matter to a journalist, especially since she hasn't formally complained about the prison guard? It's just empty accusations, backed up with nothing more than hot air.

In my opinion, Amanda Knox is just like her parents: threats, retaliation and a lot of anger management issues.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 12:21 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Ah, but is he Knox's ghostwriter as well? Hope we can get an answer to that ;)
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 12:23 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Ava wrote:
Ex-Freund von Knox bangt um Schweizer Aufenthaltsbewilligung/Knox's ex-boyfriend fears for Swiss residence permit
By Vincenzo Capodici. Aktualisiert am 16.04.2013
http://bazonline.ch/schweiz/standard/Ex ... y/15000678

Still no decision on Raffie's permit to stay in Switzerland. I have to go to sleep now, so here is only a rough google translation for now:

"...
Contrary to his hope makes Sollecito to talk about and hype. His stay in Switzerland has become a political and legal dispute. The Ticino government must answer questions from the Parliament and the cantonal migration office investigate the case Sollecito. Sollecito reportedly cheated on his request for obtaining the residence permit B, which is issued to foreigners from the EU / EFTA area for five years.
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In a recent opinion, the Ticino government writes that the concealment of a pending criminal proceeding could result in revocation of the permit. The Migration Office now runs through investigations on the case of Sollecito as a media spokesperson for the Ticino Security Directorate announced this afternoon at the request of baz.ch / Newsnet announced. So far there is still no decision.
..."

And here is a statement issued by the Ticino government in Italian on April 9th (I believe it hasn't been posted yet?):

http://www3.ti.ch//CAN/cartellastampa/p ... 543191.pdf

Bonne nuit :)

Thanks. Legally he has not been convicted yet so I guess that is why they gave him a permit, but obviously some are not too happy with that decision.

Google translate from that pdf
Quote:
The Council of State considers that to be investigated for murder is not "enough" not to issue a residence permit?

The Council of State shall take into serious consideration, and God forbid, the fact that a foreign national is under investigation for murder. However, the Directors must act in accordance with the principle of legality, proportionality and - not least - the principle of presumption of innocence (in dubio pro reo). In issuing its decision, the Council of State must, as a consequence, take due account of the principles set out above.

Otherwise, in addition to look systematically overrule the decisions of the higher judicial instances and required to pay any court costs that this would entail, might fall arbitrariness.

Just the fact that RS chose this moment to move to Switzerland and that he made it negatively in the news over there makes me think what I usually think when I read something about him...what a dumbass! :mrgreen:
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 1:10 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

malvern wrote:
Sollecito is back on ask.fm When do you take residence in Lugano? " I already have it".


Thanks for that Malvern. I haven't checked ask.fm for some time. I cannot help but raise my eyebrows at the last published question:

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How do you deal with the idiot morons who think you and amanda did it? Seriously they are pathetic scumbags.‎ Nicholas Richardson

Venting on them doesn't change anything unfortunately ...
about 8 hours ago



The Kercher family are convinced that Raffaele Sollecito and Amanda Knox, together with Rudy Guede, killed Meredith. I wonder if in the mind of groupie Nicholas Richardson that makes them "idiot morons" and "pathetic scumbags" too?

One fact that always has been very telling is that the Knox/Mellas family - who initiated the media PR campaign - have never distanced themselves publicly from those who offend and insult the Kerchers. Take a peek at Bruce Fischer's forum Injustice Anywhere - if he manages to fix it - and have a look at how many comments made from faithful groupies you can find that condemn the Kerchers for their "persecution" of "two innocent kids". Quite a few.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 1:12 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

max wrote:
Ava wrote:
Ex-Freund von Knox bangt um Schweizer Aufenthaltsbewilligung/Knox's ex-boyfriend fears for Swiss residence permit
By Vincenzo Capodici. Aktualisiert am 16.04.2013
http://bazonline.ch/schweiz/standard/Ex ... y/15000678

Still no decision on Raffie's permit to stay in Switzerland. I have to go to sleep now, so here is only a rough google translation for now:

"...
Contrary to his hope makes Sollecito to talk about and hype. His stay in Switzerland has become a political and legal dispute. The Ticino government must answer questions from the Parliament and the cantonal migration office investigate the case Sollecito. Sollecito reportedly cheated on his request for obtaining the residence permit B, which is issued to foreigners from the EU / EFTA area for five years.
...
In a recent opinion, the Ticino government writes that the concealment of a pending criminal proceeding could result in revocation of the permit. The Migration Office now runs through investigations on the case of Sollecito as a media spokesperson for the Ticino Security Directorate announced this afternoon at the request of baz.ch / Newsnet announced. So far there is still no decision.
..."

And here is a statement issued by the Ticino government in Italian on April 9th (I believe it hasn't been posted yet?):

http://www3.ti.ch//CAN/cartellastampa/p ... 543191.pdf

Bonne nuit :)

Thanks. Legally he has not been convicted yet so I guess that is why they gave him a permit, but obviously some are not too happy with that decision.

Google translate from that pdf
Quote:
The Council of State considers that to be investigated for murder is not "enough" not to issue a residence permit?

The Council of State shall take into serious consideration, and God forbid, the fact that a foreign national is under investigation for murder. However, the Directors must act in accordance with the principle of legality, proportionality and - not least - the principle of presumption of innocence (in dubio pro reo). In issuing its decision, the Council of State must, as a consequence, take due account of the principles set out above.

Otherwise, in addition to look systematically overrule the decisions of the higher judicial instances and required to pay any court costs that this would entail, might fall arbitrariness.

Just the fact that RS chose this moment to move to Switzerland and that he made it negatively in the news over there makes me think what I usually think when I read something about him...what a dumbass! :mrgreen:


But to the question if there is a pending criminal proceeding against him, Raffaele Sollecito answered "no". So he lied.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 1:27 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Yes, and the answer of the Ticino officials above make it sound as if that question doesn't even matter! I think if he said 'no' then it is clear he lied, Ticino messed up and his permit will be revoked. Also, he then clearly lied in this article:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -life.html
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Sollecito, who has moved to Lugano, said he had not concealed his ongoing legal woes in Italy while applying for and receiving residency and would now consider living there for life.

To be continued...
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 2:26 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

So even Swiss Officials can SNAFU? :) I think Papa knew what he was saying when he said Raffaele would be back for his trial next year. Sounds about right.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 2:45 am   Post subject: SPEAKING OF SNAFU   

I really, really, try to be a schadenfreude-free zone ;) but, given Bruce Fischer's recent inept blowing up of his own board, and considering that he made a point of allowing someone to track down a personal friend of mine and post her website information on his site, I thought this might serve to er, lighten things up :)

This was posted by him just as Bettina-Gate broke open:

Re: Today over at PMF
by Bruce Fischer » Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:24 pm

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B_Real,

It is certainly possible that Ergon's powers will be used against me! I am headed to the bunker until this all clears up. Internet is slow down there so please be patient. I will respond when I can. I have a few months worth of food stored and plenty of water. I knew this day would eventually come. Peace to all!
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 3:59 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Oh well, there he is, online and waiting that someone explains to him what to do next ...

phpBB is well documented. All this would have been avoidable if he had just read the documentation before messing with the source code.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 5:09 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Wooohooo. After almost two days offline, Fischer could "fix" his forum. It's a bit different now, but at least his supporters have a place to go now and don't have to read our board to know whats going on with theirs.

Turns out Fischer's bbcode didn't work cause he had forgotten to turn on that feature in the Admin panel.

It's going to be a steep learning curve for Bruce if he keeps editing and replacing files instead of reading the manual.

Mad as a hatter.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 8:56 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Nell wrote:
Wooohooo. After almost two days offline, Fischer could "fix" his forum. It's a bit different now, but at least his supporters have a place to go now and don't have to read our board to know whats going on with theirs.

Turns out Fischer's bbcode didn't work cause he had forgotten to turn on that feature in the Admin panel.

It's going to be a steep learning curve for Bruce if he keeps editing and replacing files instead of reading the manual.

Mad as a hatter.



Yes, one of the main things that the poor boy (boy as Peter would refer to a full grown man of 29) seems to have conveniently forgotten, ius that it is HE that is the one involved in a murder case as a main accused, the man accused and found guilty of rape and murder, not those who think he definitely is guilty and the last time I looked, men who commit rape are described most accurately so, as scumbags, men who murder are described as vicious, cruel bastards. In this vein, such a wimp can whine all he likes by trying to divert blame from his person, a la Ms A. Knox, but it just fails miserably.

So what is it with his idea about what is, or amounts to, fleeing Italy, to neighbouring Switzerland of all places; does he think - what is in ways seen as a liberal country, for one reason, for having taken the neutral position in the last World War - that he somehow might be treated like a Jew fleeing the Nazis?

Whatever is this person about, I suppose he is not as okay in homeland Italy as papa would have everyone believe, what with having a jolly old time studying in Verona, he is one hell of an Italian emissary, will he export the ways of a murderer, yes, I bet Switzerland was just dying to open its arms to a murderer, had he revealed fully that the case is ongoing, I cannot see how they would have decided to grant him any visa or permit or status at all. Therefore, in real life, it's obvious the Italians with their delicious cynical flavour spiced which incorporates the general zeitgeist would have them placing him in uncomfortable situations and when he is, repeatedly, does he draw a knife and kill each one that takes the piss out of him, by just being realistic, even openly having the revelation, oh, for it is you, you are that, so you are innocent right? Your friend, she is innocent too yes? Why did she say so many bad things about Perugia and Italy.

Oh what a wonderful time he must be having trying to excuse her behaviour and his own and his association with her, and they will just laugh in his face, by saying stuff like; she reminds me of bambi.

The Italians are discrete enough, what does he mean, the Swiss are plain stupid?
He deceived them


In general, discrete, oh boy; he never ever has a decent line, who writes his scripts a chimp?

So the Swiss, if they know who he is, they would say nothing?
In Sollecito's book, discrete means, the Swiss would just leave him be, even if they knew what he had done: Oh, ya killed someone, stabbed them to death, rape, oh well shit happens, stay here, we don't give a shit.

Does this baboon expect to sell this to us and the world? It had nothing whatsoever to do with discretion, it has everything to do with the reality of his own situation, but, he cannot ever escape.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 9:12 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Lorenzo Quadri si rivolge al Consiglio Federale sul caso Sollecito/L.Q. will appeal to the Federal Council on the case Sollecito
17 aprile 2013
MOZIONE AL CONSIGLIO FEDERALE
La richiesta sistematica di informazioni sui precedenti penali di cittadini UE che chiedono di trasferirsi in Svizzera deve tornare ad essere possibile
http://www.ticinolive.ch/2013/04/17/lor ... sollecito/
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 9:45 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

jhansigirl wrote:
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Nah, I doubt there'll be any room for me in Heaven...since Knox's supporters have reserved the whole place for St. Amanda :)


I'll save you a place Michael. ;)


Thanks, Jhansigirl :)

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 9:53 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Nell wrote:
Wooohooo. After almost two days offline, Fischer could "fix" his forum. It's a bit different now, but at least his supporters have a place to go now and don't have to read our board to know whats going on with theirs.

Turns out Fischer's bbcode didn't work cause he had forgotten to turn on that feature in the Admin panel.

It's going to be a steep learning curve for Bruce if he keeps editing and replacing files instead of reading the manual.

Mad as a hatter.



His crime here is a) messing around with things when he knows he doesn't know what he's doing and b) not backing the core files up before going on to do what it is that he doesn't know what he's doing.

In actual fact, his approach to managing his forum is rather similar to his approach to this case: Go rushing in headlong without a clue and like a bull in a china shop and then when making a host of predictable mistakes, to compound them by replacing knowledge and wisdom with raw enthusiasm, zeal and haste nnn-))

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 10:07 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Nell wrote:
max wrote:
Ava wrote:
Ex-Freund von Knox bangt um Schweizer Aufenthaltsbewilligung/Knox's ex-boyfriend fears for Swiss residence permit
By Vincenzo Capodici. Aktualisiert am 16.04.2013
http://bazonline.ch/schweiz/standard/Ex ... y/15000678

Still no decision on Raffie's permit to stay in Switzerland. I have to go to sleep now, so here is only a rough google translation for now:

"...
Contrary to his hope makes Sollecito to talk about and hype. His stay in Switzerland has become a political and legal dispute. The Ticino government must answer questions from the Parliament and the cantonal migration office investigate the case Sollecito. Sollecito reportedly cheated on his request for obtaining the residence permit B, which is issued to foreigners from the EU / EFTA area for five years.
...
In a recent opinion, the Ticino government writes that the concealment of a pending criminal proceeding could result in revocation of the permit. The Migration Office now runs through investigations on the case of Sollecito as a media spokesperson for the Ticino Security Directorate announced this afternoon at the request of baz.ch / Newsnet announced. So far there is still no decision.
..."

And here is a statement issued by the Ticino government in Italian on April 9th (I believe it hasn't been posted yet?):

http://www3.ti.ch//CAN/cartellastampa/p ... 543191.pdf

Bonne nuit :)

Thanks. Legally he has not been convicted yet so I guess that is why they gave him a permit, but obviously some are not too happy with that decision.

Google translate from that pdf
Quote:
The Council of State considers that to be investigated for murder is not "enough" not to issue a residence permit?

The Council of State shall take into serious consideration, and God forbid, the fact that a foreign national is under investigation for murder. However, the Directors must act in accordance with the principle of legality, proportionality and - not least - the principle of presumption of innocence (in dubio pro reo). In issuing its decision, the Council of State must, as a consequence, take due account of the principles set out above.

Otherwise, in addition to look systematically overrule the decisions of the higher judicial instances and required to pay any court costs that this would entail, might fall arbitrariness.

Just the fact that RS chose this moment to move to Switzerland and that he made it negatively in the news over there makes me think what I usually think when I read something about him...what a dumbass! :mrgreen:


But to the question if there is a pending criminal proceeding against him, Raffaele Sollecito answered "no". So he lied.


The fact is, Sollecito's status is a whole lot more then simply being "investigated" for murder, he stands provisonally convicted of it, a sex murder no less. I understand that this wasn't his status when he made the application for at that time his acquittal still stood, but that is his status now and therefore, that surely must also be taken into account when they review his permit. It may not break the letter of their rules but certainly, the whole subject of his residence has now been taken into the political dimension and that tends to offer new interpretations of the spirit of rules, not only the letter of them. He's an undesirable. They are going to kick him out.

Clearly, he found after all his trips there that a future in the United States wasn't an option for him (computer techies are ten a penny over there) and had to settle for Switzerland as second prize.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 10:25 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Nell wrote:
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Sollecito is back on ask.fm When do you take residence in Lugano? " I already have it".


Thanks for that Malvern. I haven't checked ask.fm for some time. I cannot help but raise my eyebrows at the last published question:

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How do you deal with the idiot morons who think you and amanda did it? Seriously they are pathetic scumbags.‎ Nicholas Richardson

Venting on them doesn't change anything unfortunately ...
about 8 hours ago



The Kercher family are convinced that Raffaele Sollecito and Amanda Knox, together with Rudy Guede, killed Meredith. I wonder if in the mind of groupie Nicholas Richardson that makes them "idiot morons" and "pathetic scumbags" too?

One fact that always has been very telling is that the Knox/Mellas family - who initiated the media PR campaign - have never distanced themselves publicly from those who offend and insult the Kerchers. Take a peek at Bruce Fischer's forum Injustice Anywhere - if he manages to fix it - and have a look at how many comments made from faithful groupies you can find that condemn the Kerchers for their "persecution" of "two innocent kids". Quite a few.



Yeah, surely one has to be a scumbag and pathetic along with being an idiot and a moron to view 10,000 pages of incriminating evidence + reams of incriminating court testimony in any way damning! pf-)) wh-)

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I think it's very likely that money flowed uphill all the way to some Swiss canton:)
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Basically, Knox didn't learn any kind of a lesson, not one, she falsely accused Patrick Lumumba, and through her, an entire police force, in fact not one but two entirrely different forces have been displayed through her family/supporters and her words, as liars and rogues, the scientific department likewise, local citizens, such as shopkeepers, I mean just all of these people, yet isn't it just exactly the other way around; it is Knox who is the liar, the cheat?

Anyone taken in by her lies/tall tales must be mad.

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I think it's very likely that money flowed uphill all the way to some Swiss canton:)



That's what I thought

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 11:59 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Then again, there's always 'these' family connections: Crime Boss doc

But then, Lugano is a base for money laundering as well What Mafia? and Mafia boss whacked
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Sounds like a continuation of The Sopranos (HBO series) ;)
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Lorenzo Quadri si rivolge al Consiglio Federale sul caso Sollecito/L.Q. will appeal to the Federal Council on the case Sollecito
17 aprile 2013
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La richiesta sistematica di informazioni sui precedenti penali di cittadini UE che chiedono di trasferirsi in Svizzera deve tornare ad essere possibile
http://www.ticinolive.ch/2013/04/17/lor ... sollecito/


Thanks Ava. Here's Google translation:

Lorenzo Quadri will appeal to the Federal Council on the Sollecito case
17 April 2013

MOTION TO THE FEDERAL COUNCIL
The systematic request of information on criminal records of EU citizens who ask to move to Switzerland must once again be possible

The case of Raffaele Sollecito, an Italian citizen under investigation for the murder of a British student, Meredith Kercher, has aroused controversy. The Italian press spoke at length of this story, which is also very well known in Italian Switzerland.

Raffaele Sollecito, despite the ongoing trial for murder, got a B permit to reside in Lugano.

Following the free movement of persons it is no longer possible, as has also been reaffirmed by the Government of Ticino in response to a parliamentary act on the subject, systematically request the countries of origin for information on the legal situation of EU citizens willing to move to Switzerland despite the knowledge that such information can be considered an essential element of assessment in the procedure for issuing residence permits. Today it is self-certification by the applicant, what poses obvious problems of reliability.

In fact, art. 5 para. 2 of the Council Directive 64/221/EEC of the European Economic Community on the coordination of special measures concerning the movement and residence of foreign nationals which are justified on grounds of public policy, public security or public health, states that: "the host country may, if it deems it essential, request the Member State of origin, and other Member States, to provide information on the applicant's criminal record. Such inquiries shall not be systematic." In the same vein are the instructions to the cantons of the Federal Office for Migration, which state that the request can only be made in individual cases duly justified.

It is obvious that in these conditions the internal security is threatened. The same Council of State of Ticino, in response cited above, admits that, as a result of this state of affairs, it is unable to know how many EU citizens, investigated - for serious crimes - were granted permission to reside in Ticino, in spite of the fact that these people can also be dangerous. In addition, the current situation due to a difference in treatment as Swiss citizens may be asked quietly for criminal records. The latter are therefore more "controlled" of EU citizens.

With the following motion I would ask the CF (Federal Council):

To take steps to ensure that information on previous convictions of EU citizens who ask to move to Switzerland may again be asked systematically ex officio, from the countries of origin or third countries, without giving any particular reason.

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Turns out that it is a good thing that I lack the skillset to take screenshots. I wouldn't have bothered anyway.
Just a note to let all know that one poster on Today over at.... has commented, "Patrick is a little bitch. His 15 minutes were up long ago." Words fail me.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 4:23 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Naps..that's called transferance :) i.e. what the poster thinks about HIMSELF/HERSELF.

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capealadin wrote:
Naps..that's called transferance :) i.e. what the poster thinks about HIMSELF/HERSELF.


I call it hate. And I don't understand that it is directed at Patrick. The groupies would like everyone to believe that Patrick amended his opinion of Knox AFTER he was accused. Retaliation for the fact that she pointed the finger at him. However, from all that I have read, PAtrick was dissatisfied with Knox and her work ethic BEFORE the murder. She had been demoted to handing out flyers, while Meredith was being offered a position making drinks. I don't see how a businessman would shoot himself in the foot by cutting back the hours and service of an employee who was serving him well. One he was satisfied with. If he had cut Knox's hours and service because business was slow, why would he take on Meredith as an additional employee. It's obvious to me that Patrick didn't care for her behavior before the murder.
IMO, he is rightfully angry and has her pegged as an actress to a "T".
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 5:32 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

these days when the word terrorism is mentioned one's mind immediately conjures up images of Afghanistan, Pakistan, the MIddle East, but who knew, that right in the Heart of Seattle an American brand of terrorism would be brewed, by Americans, yes, that's what these people are, terrorists, bullying people, forcing people, to follow the beliefs of the radicals.

You've got so-called lawyers who put up pictures of themselves making them look about 25, when there's nothing wrong with whatever age you have anyway, old faces can be beautiful, but not these Anne B, she looks like death warmed up, in fact she had so many face lifts she actually makes Frankenstein's monster look cute.

That thing the other day though, with the prosecutor talking straight, that was quite something when Bremner, as soon as the interviewer said a word, to the prosecutor, looking at Bremner's face you'd think the interviewer was talking to her, Bremner's face was gurning, and it looked like she was talking to herself, there's a woman who drinks then drives, could therefore potentially run down and kill people, then goes nuts on the police, saying do you know who I am, when she is breaking the law, all because she has apparently defended police in the past, so right, that means she gets a sheriff's badge and can do whatever she likes does it... threatened the police, I'll have your badge, etc, more or less, but in the interview, she had no reactions really, all as she did was try to put out the usual fixed lines, in a totally unintelligent, aggressive know-it-all way, what a robot.

I cannot understand how someone like that gets away with any of it as she is obviously not mentally fit, if you ask me that is what I think, what person with a responsible position goes and gets sloshed and drives, surely on your lawyer's fees you call a cab.


Seems like attracts alike, or whatever it was, the bad of this seems to appeal to all of the misfits in society. Those kids, those kids, those kids, ah shucks, Sollecito's lines, about them being a flower, a flower that still had to open, my god, I brought up last month's dinner on hearing that, so awful.

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From the article in The Telegraph:

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Francesco Sollecito said on Sunday his son had set up a company in Switzerland to help victims of miscarriages of justice. "He will help others who have suffered like him, giving advice to people who cannot afford lawyers," he said.

Sollecito still has four exams to take before he graduates from a degree course in robotics he was studying for in Verona.

"He will complete the course from Lugano where there are a number of firms working on the use of robotics in medicine, which Raffaele is specialising in," said his father. "This way he can start looking for work in the field now


So he has established a company to help people who cannot afford lawyers, who have suffered like him, but he will also seek a job in the field of robotics. Sounds like a website with a paypal button.
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Napia5 wrote:
Turns out that it is a good thing that I lack the skillset to take screenshots. I wouldn't have bothered anyway.
Just a note to let all know that one poster on Today over at.... has commented, "Patrick is a little bitch. His 15 minutes were up long ago." Words fail me.



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Hi, tamale. I must admit, I am still a bit curious about Frank's comings and goings. Ergon has reported seeing him at the SC hearing, and, later in a car. Where's his blog? Where are the articles he's writing? Surely, he has access to a computer somewhere and could continue to report. How's he earning his living? He must not be feeling too threatened if he's out and about, driving around, attending hearings. Could someone else be selling his stories?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:26 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Napia5 wrote:
From the article in The Telegraph:

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Francesco Sollecito said on Sunday his son had set up a company in Switzerland to help victims of miscarriages of justice. "He will help others who have suffered like him, giving advice to people who cannot afford lawyers," he said.

Sollecito still has four exams to take before he graduates from a degree course in robotics he was studying for in Verona.

"He will complete the course from Lugano where there are a number of firms working on the use of robotics in medicine, which Raffaele is specialising in," said his father. "This way he can start looking for work in the field now


So he has established a company to help people who cannot afford lawyers, who have suffered like him, but he will also seek a job in the field of robotics. Sounds like a website with a paypal button.


sounds like he wants to create robot-lawyers huh-)

but in reality this 29 or 30 ish man did not even finish his studies, let allone do any work at all in his life so far.
Only Dad and Mom's money saves him for ending at a park bank bum.

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Hi, tamale. I must admit, I am still a bit curious about Frank's comings and goings. Ergon has reported seeing him at the SC hearing, and, later in a car. Where's his blog? Where are the articles he's writing? Surely, he has access to a computer somewhere and could continue to report. How's he earning his living? He must not be feeling too threatened if he's out and about, driving around, attending hearings. Could someone else be selling his stories?


could it be that this was a rental car or someone else lent him this car??

I don't think he could expect to be seen from Ergon or someone who knows about his U.S. affairs when he
went to the Cassazione court. I bet he was quite surprised finding out that he was "detected".

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zorba wrote:
Basically, Knox didn't learn any kind of a lesson, not one, she falsely accused Patrick Lumumba, and through her, an entire police force, in fact not one but two entirrely different forces have been displayed through her family/supporters and her words, as liars and rogues, the scientific department likewise, local citizens, such as shopkeepers, I mean just all of these people, yet isn't it just exactly the other way around; it is Knox who is the liar, the cheat?

Anyone taken in by her lies/tall tales must be mad.


I am starting to wonder...maybe it is some kind of unconscious self-punishment: piling up defamation suit after defamation suit, same with Raffaele who hardly misses any chance to make a fool out of himself.
In any case AK is lucky she practically doesn't feel embarrassed about anything, because I guess everyone else would, very much so.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 8:41 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Ava wrote:
zorba wrote:
Basically, Knox didn't learn any kind of a lesson, not one, she falsely accused Patrick Lumumba, and through her, an entire police force, in fact not one but two entirrely different forces have been displayed through her family/supporters and her words, as liars and rogues, the scientific department likewise, local citizens, such as shopkeepers, I mean just all of these people, yet isn't it just exactly the other way around; it is Knox who is the liar, the cheat?

Anyone taken in by her lies/tall tales must be mad.


I am starting to wonder...maybe it is some kind of unconscious self-punishment: piling up defamation suit after defamation suit, same with Raffaele who hardly misses any chance to make a fool out of himself.
In any case AK is lucky she practically doesn't feel embarrassed about anything, because I guess everyone else would, very much so.


It's a nice idea, but I don't think so, Ava. To punish oneself, one then has to go and face the punishment. Knox isn't doing that, she has no intention of going back to Italy or of writing out any cheques to any of her victims. Besides, she is (in my view) a sociopath and they have no interest in self-punishment since they have no guilt. Nothing she has done has suggested that isn't the case. The reason and only reason for the defamation, is because without it, she'd have nothing to sell her book with. She has to make herself seem a victim and to do that, she has to slander people. Just my take.

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Napia5 wrote:
Hi, tamale. I must admit, I am still a bit curious about Frank's comings and goings. Ergon has reported seeing him at the SC hearing, and, later in a car. Where's his blog? Where are the articles he's writing? Surely, he has access to a computer somewhere and could continue to report. How's he earning his living? He must not be feeling too threatened if he's out and about, driving around, attending hearings. Could someone else be selling his stories?


Good question for tamale if she knows the answer to that. He didn't know I'd be there; I didn't let anyone except Michael and co. know my plans. He did seem quite familiar with the reporters there, but no one was talking to him in court. Later, he sat outside at a table with Italian reporters, telling passerbys how the case looked like a slam dunk for Knox and Sollecito. Hence the shocked silence when the result was announced in court.

Yet he wasn't in court for the verdict, nor was Papa Sollecito, who'd been there all day previous on the 25th. The result would have been known to Bongiorno when she took that 8:30 PM call, and the look on her face told it all. Again, I was just two meters away from her when that happened, so that is my hunch. I also noted how Sfarzo never once approached Papa S. One would think a 'reporter' would be asking questions, but while the other reporters did speak to the lawyers, Frank never even spoke to them either that I could see.

So, at the moment, I doubt he's being paid to file stories; he's being paid to keep his mouth shut and be invisible. Even his showing up at Cassazione was a risk he took, expecting a positive result, in which case he'd have written many "I was there" stories :) by now, and been training guns again on PM Mignini. A totally unexpected verdict, by writers, publishers, urologists and Seattleites.

But seeing him on the Umberto bridge leading from Cassazione, I was struck by this:

- He isn't destitute, but has many supporters still, on the American and Italian side.
- His friends are the enemies of PM Mignini and anyone trying to open up the MOF case.
- He and Papa Sollecito have an 'understanding'.
- Very likely, he has sources within the Questura. How else was he in receipt of inside police info almost from November 02, 2007?
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Thanks, Ergon. I thought that there was still a case pending against him in Italy, which was the reason he was so anxious to remain in the US. I guess as long as the money is flowing, he isn't too concerned about what role he plays.
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Ergon wrote:
- Very likely, he has sources within the Questura. How else was he in receipt of inside police info almost from November 02, 2007?


Thanks, Ergon. For certain, Frank had sources within the Questura or/and the scientific police during the first few months of the case. BUT, I think he lost all of those when he switched from writing neutral articles to being a shill for Knox and slagging off the ILE. His inside sources then became the Mellas's and Knox and Sollecito's legal teams.

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Thanks, Ergon. I thought that there was still a case pending against him in Italy, which was the reason he was so anxious to remain in the US. I guess as long as the money is flowing, he isn't too concerned about what role he plays.


He has two cases pending against him in Italy, one for defamation and one for assaulting a police officer/resisting arrest.

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Michael wrote:
Napia5 wrote:
Thanks, Ergon. I thought that there was still a case pending against him in Italy, which was the reason he was so anxious to remain in the US. I guess as long as the money is flowing, he isn't too concerned about what role he plays.


He has two cases pending against him in Italy, one for defamation and one for assaulting a police officer/resisting arrest.


Thanks, Michael. I suppose I am guilty of making assumptions. I assumed that he missed his hearing, and it would have been dealt with in a manner similar to that of the US. Warrants issued, or the like. Do you know where those cases stand now?
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Ava wrote:
zorba wrote:
Basically, Knox didn't learn any kind of a lesson, not one, she falsely accused Patrick Lumumba, and through her, an entire police force, in fact not one but two entirrely different forces have been displayed through her family/supporters and her words, as liars and rogues, the scientific department likewise, local citizens, such as shopkeepers, I mean just all of these people, yet isn't it just exactly the other way around; it is Knox who is the liar, the cheat?

Anyone taken in by her lies/tall tales must be mad.


I am starting to wonder...maybe it is some kind of unconscious self-punishment: piling up defamation suit after defamation suit, same with Raffaele who hardly misses any chance to make a fool out of himself.
In any case AK is lucky she practically doesn't feel embarrassed about anything, because I guess everyone else would, very much so.


Yes, well both you and Michael are right in different ways, what you say Ava, well, considering how often she is trying this on, I mean and then thinking it will not be obvious that she is making things up, what with making so very many accusations against so many different people and bodies, then one would ask is she mentally ill, stupid, or deep down does she want to get caught out, by making it all so ridiculous that even those who may have believed her will start finding it just a bit too much.


Basically, I think Michael is right, but that she is that thick she thinks it is as easy as accusing who the hell she pleases, I reckon this is all going to backfire, I know the Supreme Courts in Italy take a very serious view of such matters.

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Napia5 wrote:
Thanks, Ergon. I thought that there was still a case pending against him in Italy, which was the reason he was so anxious to remain in the US. I guess as long as the money is flowing, he isn't too concerned about what role he plays.


He has two cases pending against him in Italy, one for defamation and one for assaulting a police officer/resisting arrest.


Thanks, Michael. I suppose I am guilty of making assumptions. I assumed that he missed his hearing, and it would have been dealt with in a manner similar to that of the US. Warrants issued, or the like. Do you know where those cases stand now?



He missed his hearing, but his lawyer managed to con the judge that Frank couldn't be there, rather then he deliberately chose not to be there and so the judge postponed and gave a new date. It must also be remembered that in Italy, one doesn't have to attend ones hearings...attending hearings is an individual right, not a legal obligation. As for how they are going, we don't know, since Frank is doing his best to maintain utmost secrecy about all those hearings and any documentation connected with them. Not the behaviour of an innocent man being 'persecuted' by the state!

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Michael wrote:
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Michael wrote:
Napia5 wrote:
Thanks, Ergon. I thought that there was still a case pending against him in Italy, which was the reason he was so anxious to remain in the US. I guess as long as the money is flowing, he isn't too concerned about what role he plays.


He has two cases pending against him in Italy, one for defamation and one for assaulting a police officer/resisting arrest.


Thanks, Michael. I suppose I am guilty of making assumptions. I assumed that he missed his hearing, and it would have been dealt with in a manner similar to that of the US. Warrants issued, or the like. Do you know where those cases stand now?



He missed his hearing, but his lawyer managed to con the judge that Frank couldn't be there, rather then he deliberately chose not to be there and so the judge postponed and gave a new date. It must also be remembered that in Italy, one doesn't have to attend ones hearings...attending hearings is an individual right, not a legal obligation. As for how they are going, we don't know, since Frank is doing his best to maintain utmost secrecy about all those hearings and any documentation connected with them. Not the behaviour of an innocent man being 'persecuted' by the state!


No, it isn't. And that's what is so surprising. He went this route before. That's how he built his fan base. Risking life and limb and the evil Mignini to get the facts out. Where is the CPJ this time? I guess his loyal $upporters are reading his members-only blog. I wonder if it sports a paypal button?
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If one is innocent or/and being persecuted by the state, one wants the whole world watching their case on a daily basis as it happens and to make all documentation connected with it public, as it is this that demonstrates their innocence to the world and exposes the supposed persecution. Secrecy is the enemy of the innocent, the friend of a persecuting state and aids only those who have something to hide.

As for the CPJ....silence!

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Michael wrote:
If one is innocent or/and being persecuted by the state, one wants the whole world watching their case on a daily basis as it happens and to make all documentation connected with it public, as it is this that demonstrates their innocence to the world and exposes the supposed persecution. Secrecy is the enemy of the innocent, the friend of a persecuting state and aids only those who have something to hide.

As for the CPJ....silence!


Yes! He needed this hook in the beginning to attract his followers. Now that they are committed, he can say anything he wants on his blog. His faithful (and generous) followers have been willing to swallow anything he says, as long as it follows the company line. Proof of this was his sickening rants of Sfarzogate. God only knows what line of crap they're buying this time.
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Blow dried hair. Extensions too?



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They look pretty cozy together, don't they?
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zorba wrote:
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Basically, Knox didn't learn any kind of a lesson, not one, she falsely accused Patrick Lumumba, and through her, an entire police force, in fact not one but two entirrely different forces have been displayed through her family/supporters and her words, as liars and rogues, the scientific department likewise, local citizens, such as shopkeepers, I mean just all of these people, yet isn't it just exactly the other way around; it is Knox who is the liar, the cheat?

Anyone taken in by her lies/tall tales must be mad.


I am starting to wonder...maybe it is some kind of unconscious self-punishment: piling up defamation suit after defamation suit, same with Raffaele who hardly misses any chance to make a fool out of himself.
In any case AK is lucky she practically doesn't feel embarrassed about anything, because I guess everyone else would, very much so.


Yes, well both you and Michael are right in different ways, what you say Ava, well, considering how often she is trying this on, I mean and then thinking it will not be obvious that she is making things up, what with making so very many accusations against so many different people and bodies, then one would ask is she mentally ill, stupid, or deep own does she want to get caught out, by making it all so ridiculous that even those who may have believed her will start finding it just a bit too much.


Basically, I think Michael is right, but that she is that thick she thinks it is as easy as accusing who the hell she pleases, I reckon this is all going to backfire, I know the Supreme Courts in Italy take a very serious view of such matters.


Hi, Zorba. I think this type behavior of hers is the exact reason that she has been kept under wraps all this time.
Loose lips sink ships. And I believe that the interview will be closely controlled also.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 11:31 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

louiehaha wrote:
Blow dried hair. Extensions too?


That looks like the dress Knox posed in for some of Paxton's arty photos.

They've obviously got Knox to put on the feminine look for the show, so that she looks more accessible and vulnerable and less like a murderer.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 11:53 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

There are not going to be any tough questions if they are sitting that close.
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Michael wrote:
louiehaha wrote:
Blow dried hair. Extensions too?


That looks like the dress Knox posed in for some of Paxton's arty photos.

They've obviously got Knox to put on the feminine look for the show, so that she looks more accessible and vulnerable and less like a murderer.


The only image I can think of where she wore a dress was when she posed behind a machine gun looking like a rabid screwball.

The blue will make her eyes pop, should be a big hit among her Aryan Nation supporters.
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dgfred wrote:
There are not going to be any tough questions if they are sitting that close.


If there are tough questions, Diane will be accused of having bedroom eyes for Knox.

But I agree, there won't be tough questions.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 12:03 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Napia5 wrote:
Turns out that it is a good thing that I lack the skillset to take screenshots. I wouldn't have bothered anyway.
Just a note to let all know that one poster on Today over at.... has commented, "Patrick is a little bitch. His 15 minutes were up long ago." Words fail me.


Here is another questionable comment published on Bruce Fischer's forum:

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Looking at chatter over there, it really amazes me that no one on PMF is willing to take the position that - even assuming she is guilty - she was entitled to appropriate treatment in the prison system and if she was sexually harassed, it should be investigated. To them it seems to be a big joke. Thinking back to 2011, when I started reading the websites about the case, it was the tone of TJMK and PMF that really turned me off - something reminiscent of 1984 or Pravda - a kind of one dimensional thinking that anyone or anything associated with her must be bad and that anyone or anything that is opposed to her must be good. Very very weird!


Is member erasmus44 aware that if Amanda Knox had filed a complaint the matter in fact would have been investigated? There is nothing to investigate, because she didn't complain.

In relation to Amanda Knox's own perception how desirable she believes to be, I am reminded that she thought Giacomo Silenzi was into her too, but somehow he ended up dating Meredith. Maybe she's projecting too much?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 12:21 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Hi, all. I did meet with PM Giuliano Mignini, but all I can say for now is that Frank Sfarzo (and others) are still under investigation, but now, for more than just the assault and defamation charges. Still catching up on work left undone while I was away, but I will post more details in a couple of weeks time.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 12:28 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Yes, Nell, if a Milanese traffic warden can file a complaint against prison cop Raffaele Argirio, then why didn't Amanda Knox? She had parliamentarians and consular officials visiting her, FFS. Regardless of her crimes, no one deserves to be treated that way. If it were true. Unfortunately, she didn't file a complaint, and her credibility is somewhere south of zero.
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Nell wrote:
Napia5 wrote:
Turns out that it is a good thing that I lack the skillset to take screenshots. I wouldn't have bothered anyway.
Just a note to let all know that one poster on Today over at.... has commented, "Patrick is a little bitch. His 15 minutes were up long ago." Words fail me.


Here is another questionable comment published on Bruce Fischer's forum:

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Post by erasmus44 » Wed Apr 17, 2013 3:44 pm

Looking at chatter over there, it really amazes me that no one on PMF is willing to take the position that - even assuming she is guilty - she was entitled to appropriate treatment in the prison system and if she was sexually harassed, it should be investigated. To them it seems to be a big joke. Thinking back to 2011, when I started reading the websites about the case, it was the tone of TJMK and PMF that really turned me off - something reminiscent of 1984 or Pravda - a kind of one dimensional thinking that anyone or anything associated with her must be bad and that anyone or anything that is opposed to her must be good. Very very weird!


Is member erasmus44 aware that if Amanda Knox had filed a complaint the matter in fact would have been investigated? There is nothing to investigate, because she didn't complain.

In relation to Amanda Knox's own perception how desirable she believes to be, I am reminded that she thought Giacomo Silenzi was into her too, but somehow he ended up dating Meredith. Maybe she's projecting too much?



I'm reminded of Follain where Meredith tells of how uncomfortable she is with Amanda's tell all ways.pg 37 " In America she once talked to a friend's boyfriend even though she was stark naked" That to me speaks volumes about her. She took advantage knowing exactly what she was doing. Aggressive sexual harassment with no regard to her friend or the friend's boyfriend. A disturbed young lady without a doubt.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 12:36 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Bruce Fischer from Injustice Anywhere is downplaying his forum glitch that happened because he decided to make edits to the source code himself and then was unable to restore the original files when his modifications didn't work, leaving his forum disabled. In retaliation for exposing the unfolding fiasco, he is mocking us for not using the latest forum software, but he's missing the point: We don't encourage our members to donate to our forum, in fact we don't accept donations whatsoever and one wonders what he uses the donations he solicits from his members for and if he even declares them as income, given that his close buddy Frank Sforza/Sfarzo/Sfarço, for who Fischer also drummed up substantial financial support, has been exposed as a scammer. It sure leaves some questions open.

Right now, Bruce Fischer and Sarah are looking for a knowledgeable "techie" mod volunteer who can help them with the maintenance of the forum.

Wht is Fischer collecting donations again? The court documents are free of charge, the translations of the court documents were offered by volunteers, he doctors on the source code himself or lets a volunteer do it. At what point exactly is there a need to pay for anything? Maybe he's just saving up to be able to afford the registration fee for his new "non-profit organisation" adventure?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 12:41 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Nell wrote:
Napia5 wrote:
Turns out that it is a good thing that I lack the skillset to take screenshots. I wouldn't have bothered anyway.
Just a note to let all know that one poster on Today over at.... has commented, "Patrick is a little bitch. His 15 minutes were up long ago." Words fail me.


Here is another questionable comment published on Bruce Fischer's forum:

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Post by erasmus44 » Wed Apr 17, 2013 3:44 pm

Looking at chatter over there, it really amazes me that no one on PMF is willing to take the position that - even assuming she is guilty - she was entitled to appropriate treatment in the prison system and if she was sexually harassed, it should be investigated. To them it seems to be a big joke. Thinking back to 2011, when I started reading the websites about the case, it was the tone of TJMK and PMF that really turned me off - something reminiscent of 1984 or Pravda - a kind of one dimensional thinking that anyone or anything associated with her must be bad and that anyone or anything that is opposed to her must be good. Very very weird!


Is member erasmus44 aware that if Amanda Knox had filed a complaint the matter in fact would have been investigated? There is nothing to investigate, because she didn't complain.

In relation to Amanda Knox's own perception how desirable she believes to be, I am reminded that she thought Giacomo Silenzi was into her too, but somehow he ended up dating Meredith. Maybe she's projecting too much?


Exactly. The authorities don't start investigations simply on the basis of allegations made by someone in a book or newspaper, the allegations have to be formally made to the authorities. If concerned, erasmus44 should be starting his/her own investigation into Amanda Knox and why she made no such formal complaint, despite having the opportunity to do so daily for almost four years!

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malvern wrote:
Nell wrote:
Napia5 wrote:
Turns out that it is a good thing that I lack the skillset to take screenshots. I wouldn't have bothered anyway.
Just a note to let all know that one poster on Today over at.... has commented, "Patrick is a little bitch. His 15 minutes were up long ago." Words fail me.


Here is another questionable comment published on Bruce Fischer's forum:

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Re: Today over at PMF
Post by erasmus44 » Wed Apr 17, 2013 3:44 pm

Looking at chatter over there, it really amazes me that no one on PMF is willing to take the position that - even assuming she is guilty - she was entitled to appropriate treatment in the prison system and if she was sexually harassed, it should be investigated. To them it seems to be a big joke. Thinking back to 2011, when I started reading the websites about the case, it was the tone of TJMK and PMF that really turned me off - something reminiscent of 1984 or Pravda - a kind of one dimensional thinking that anyone or anything associated with her must be bad and that anyone or anything that is opposed to her must be good. Very very weird!


Is member erasmus44 aware that if Amanda Knox had filed a complaint the matter in fact would have been investigated? There is nothing to investigate, because she didn't complain.

In relation to Amanda Knox's own perception how desirable she believes to be, I am reminded that she thought Giacomo Silenzi was into her too, but somehow he ended up dating Meredith. Maybe she's projecting too much?



I'm reminded of Follain where Meredith tells of how uncomfortable she is with Amanda's tell all ways.pg 37 " In America she once talked to a friend's boyfriend even though she was stark naked" That to me speaks volumes about her. She took advantage knowing exactly what she was doing. Aggressive sexual harassment with no regard to her friend or the friend's boyfriend. A disturbed young lady without a doubt.


Thanks for posting that, I've been trying to think of where I'd read that ever since the Graham article came out.

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Insecure or not, Amanda spoke openly about men and her sex life to Meredith – so much so that Meredith felt embarrassed listening to her. Amanda told her she had no problem being seen nude and that in America she had once talked to a friend’s boyfriend even though she was stark naked. She also told a shocked Meredith that she had had an erotic dream, written it up and sent it to DJ.

Follain, John (2012-08-21). A Death in Italy: The Definitive Account of the Amanda Knox Case (Kindle Locations 542-544). St. Martin's Press. Kindle Edition.


I should think these incidents fit the loose definition of sexual harassment that Knox is using to garner sympathy for herself.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 12:50 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Yes, they sexed her up. I think her dress is a tad bit too short!

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Michael wrote:
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Thanks, Ergon. I thought that there was still a case pending against him in Italy, which was the reason he was so anxious to remain in the US. I guess as long as the money is flowing, he isn't too concerned about what role he plays.


He has two cases pending against him in Italy, one for defamation and one for assaulting a police officer/resisting arrest.


Thanks, Michael. I suppose I am guilty of making assumptions. I assumed that he missed his hearing, and it would have been dealt with in a manner similar to that of the US. Warrants issued, or the like. Do you know where those cases stand now?



He missed his hearing, but his lawyer managed to con the judge that Frank couldn't be there, rather then he deliberately chose not to be there and so the judge postponed and gave a new date. It must also be remembered that in Italy, one doesn't have to attend ones hearings...attending hearings is an individual right, not a legal obligation. As for how they are going, we don't know, since Frank is doing his best to maintain utmost secrecy about all those hearings and any documentation connected with them. Not the behaviour of an innocent man being 'persecuted' by the state!


Hi, Michael, I can confirm now that Frank Sfarzo did plan on attending the Seattle court hearing on December 31, thinking he could get away with it as he did in Kona court. Even though he had been thrown out of more than one Knox friend and family member's home, there were others willing to put him up. But, as we started publishing the Sfarzo~gate papers, and knowing I had contacted Canadian and US authorities, they didn't want to risk it. Frank's karma, keeping in mind how much he perverted the cause of justice, finally caught up to him.

Btw, he was staying in Rome last I knew. That's why the police haven't been able to find him yet.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 1:07 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Knox looks up, looks to the side, stares at Diane's forehead, she is not comfortable looking directly in Diane's eyes (just my impression). Why is she staring at the ceiling for a long moment?

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A couple more screen shots. Thanks louie for providing the link to the abc interview preview.

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Wow, that's a lot of lip gloss.
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louiehaha wrote:
Thanks for posting that, I've been trying to think of where I'd read that ever since the Graham article came out.

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Insecure or not, Amanda spoke openly about men and her sex life to Meredith – so much so that Meredith felt embarrassed listening to her. Amanda told her she had no problem being seen nude and that in America she had once talked to a friend’s boyfriend even though she was stark naked. She also told a shocked Meredith that she had had an erotic dream, written it up and sent it to DJ.

Follain, John (2012-08-21). A Death in Italy: The Definitive Account of the Amanda Knox Case (Kindle Locations 542-544). St. Martin's Press. Kindle Edition.


I should think these incidents fit the loose definition of sexual harassment that Knox is using to garner sympathy for herself.


I wonder if her friend appreciated that gesture?
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Knox looks up, looks to the side, stares at Diane's forehead, she is not comfortable looking directly in Diane's eyes (just my impression). Why is she staring at the ceiling for a long moment?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 6:04 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

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Shocking horrible news from Boston. I just can't get over how evil some people are. I hope Jackie wasn't there. ( He runs marathons).

I tell myself I won't watch the interview with Diane Sawyer...but I probably will. It's not often that one gets to see an interview with a killer. I'd like some body experts to weigh in.Because..the mouth can say anything..but the body can and does..act involuntarily. And, because I believe Knox is a psycopath..with no internal understanding of empathy..she's going to get it all wrong. She'll do things she THINKS she needs to do. What she thinks an innocent person will do. No matter how quietly she speaks..or how studious and serious she tries to float out there..there will be many things to notice.

I play enough poker to look for *tells*. So, If I watch..it will be interesting from that point of view.

I also think that the Networks are a sham. It's about the ratings..and therefore the $$$'s. As much as I normally like Diane Sawyer..she's just another hired gun..being told how to conduct this interview. And, Knox has the * I can't answer that * because of the latest decision.

I hope that the Prison will also sue her sorry arse.


Thanks for thinking of me, Cape! I'm still waaaay too slow to qualify for my age group in Boston (a longtime dream of mine), but my heart is breaking for the victims.

My wife and I always enjoy the sense of community we feel when participating in running events - even in cities far from our home - and we have never felt at risk. Everyone is so positive. Everyone is pulling for you. Money is being raised for good causes. Families, friends and neighbors are coming together. Even a big, strange city can start to feel safe and friendly. A bomb is the last thing you'd expect. I suppose I've been naive.

So diabolical. So cowardly. So senseless. May Justice be done. Swiftly.

As for the Sawyer interview, I'm already disgusted by the body language: Diane would kill her image if she sat ass cheek-to-ass cheek for a cozy chat with Casey Anthony or Jodi Arias.

Why treat Knox differently? As far as I can see, the only substantial difference between Knox and the other two is a very expensive PR firm.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 6:33 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Oh I see,

They are presenting her the way a film star is presented, before an awards show, after an awards show, on Jimmy Kimmel, Conan O'Brien, Jimmy Fallon, Letterman, etc.

She never ever wore lip gloss, now she has so much on and the short skirt showing off the legs, it's like she is being presented as a film star guest on Letterman, etc, looks like she had been eating packets of lard.

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Looks to me that ABC made heavy financial investments, like sums obviously never revealed being paid to Knox's family, then through them paying all expenses for the family to Italy and back, they had the signed-up rights to first access, and so started acting like they were one of the family themselves, babysitting the lot, which would never be part of a proper journalist or TV channel person's work. This way, they are trying to cash their investments in.

See me, I do not believe a word about it all having cost the family so much money, in fact I think they profited from it all, after all, all of the media outlets, paying, I don't know otherwise and until they provide proof that they were not paid repeatedly, and until they provide proof of all this so-called millions spent defending her paid for by themselves, I believe they paid nothing themselves.

The idea of costs too is grossly exaggerated, because in Italy the costs cannot be compared to those accrued in America.

So to sum up, in my view they paid nothing themselves, they did not get into debt, they profited from the whole, and ABC invested and they took ABC by way of contract in writing, as their main SPONSOR.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:20 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

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Wow, that's a lot of lip gloss.


Her eyes look weird.
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Basically, Knox didn't learn any kind of a lesson, not one, she falsely accused Patrick Lumumba, and through her, an entire police force, in fact not one but two entirrely different forces have been displayed through her family/supporters and her words, as liars and rogues, the scientific department likewise, local citizens, such as shopkeepers, I mean just all of these people, yet isn't it just exactly the other way around; it is Knox who is the liar, the cheat?

Anyone taken in by her lies/tall tales must be mad.


I am starting to wonder...maybe it is some kind of unconscious self-punishment: piling up defamation suit after defamation suit, same with Raffaele who hardly misses any chance to make a fool out of himself.
In any case AK is lucky she practically doesn't feel embarrassed about anything, because I guess everyone else would, very much so.


Yes, well both you and Michael are right in different ways, what you say Ava, well, considering how often she is trying this on, I mean and then thinking it will not be obvious that she is making things up, what with making so very many accusations against so many different people and bodies, then one would ask is she mentally ill, stupid, or deep down does she want to get caught out, by making it all so ridiculous that even those who may have believed her will start finding it just a bit too much.


Basically, I think Michael is right, but that she is that thick she thinks it is as easy as accusing who the hell she pleases, I reckon this is all going to backfire, I know the Supreme Courts in Italy take a very serious view of such matters.


Actually I was talking a bit tongue-in-cheek (or trying to), but to me it's not a contradiction. Yes, she acts like a sociopath and keeps victimizing herself, but she also seems to have the tendency to mess things up for her (in general) and there might be reasons for that deep down, not on a conscious level.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:48 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Ava wrote:
zorba wrote:
Ava wrote:
zorba wrote:
Basically, Knox didn't learn any kind of a lesson, not one, she falsely accused Patrick Lumumba, and through her, an entire police force, in fact not one but two entirrely different forces have been displayed through her family/supporters and her words, as liars and rogues, the scientific department likewise, local citizens, such as shopkeepers, I mean just all of these people, yet isn't it just exactly the other way around; it is Knox who is the liar, the cheat?

Anyone taken in by her lies/tall tales must be mad.


I am starting to wonder...maybe it is some kind of unconscious self-punishment: piling up defamation suit after defamation suit, same with Raffaele who hardly misses any chance to make a fool out of himself.
In any case AK is lucky she practically doesn't feel embarrassed about anything, because I guess everyone else would, very much so.


Yes, well both you and Michael are right in different ways, what you say Ava, well, considering how often she is trying this on, I mean and then thinking it will not be obvious that she is making things up, what with making so very many accusations against so many different people and bodies, then one would ask is she mentally ill, stupid, or deep down does she want to get caught out, by making it all so ridiculous that even those who may have believed her will start finding it just a bit too much.


Basically, I think Michael is right, but that she is that thick she thinks it is as easy as accusing who the hell she pleases, I reckon this is all going to backfire, I know the Supreme Courts in Italy take a very serious view of such matters.


Actually I was talking a bit tongue-in-cheek (or trying to), but to me it's not a contradiction. Yes, she acts like a sociopath and keeps victimizing herself, but she also seems to have the tendency to mess things up for her (in general) and there might be reasons for that deep down, not on a conscious level.


Well, certainly, she has a few short circuits going on. This is the girl who does cartwheels and makes out with her boyfriend while also making faces, and laughs and jokes, down the police station when her 'friend' has just been murdered. Her not being wired right is a given. That also comes out in her eyes. And I've no doubt, her role in Meredith's murder will have put even more strain on some already very dodgy wiring. I don't think it's guilt though.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:21 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

GOOGLE TRANSLATE:

Raffaele Sollecito: Double personality, an aggressive and a helpless


The photos are objectively disturbing, especially some of them, and bring out a dark mood and a split personality. " In anticipation of the new trial for the murder of British student Meredith Kercher in Perugia awenuto in 2007, the psychotherapists ta Vera Siepoj drew a psychological profile of Raffaele Sollecito analyzing, one by one, the images that the young man has posted on his public Facebook profile . Through this channel, that the younger generation uses to communicate and that Raffaele made accessible to all, the 29 year old Giovinazzo near Bari, has published photographs which give rise to a disturbing psychological profile. As seen in the photos in these pages, Sollecito has immortalized subjects with severed heads and dramatic scenes, as if he had a mind dark and disturbing. We asked Vera Siepoj to analyze them for us. "I do not know if Sollecito is guilty or innocent, this analysis can not of course provide useful elements for the next process, this will be the judges to decide, but it is certain that the photos you post on Facebook are the mirror of an ambiguous personality," says the psychotherapist. "The most disturbing picture is one that shows a man with his head split and sewn back on." "And as if Sollecito said:" My head is so devastated by the events. " It is possible that Raffaele has not yet begun to rework everything that has happened but I have only the perception of having been abused. " Which would confirm his psychological dependence on Amanda, indicated several times as the dominatrix in this pair. The overall picture that portrays a kind of red heart-edged blacks has attracted the attention of the psychologist: "H red is an element that invokes passion and drive. The figure resembles a heart torn but not necessarily related to the topic of violence, if anything aU'emozionalità impetuous. The blood is also purification and reassurance ". The same goes for photos of a performance which is inverted red paint that looks like blood, and to represent the end of the world (pictured above), which probably represent the mood of Raffaele during the story. "In general, as this photo shows so much unrest. I hope that Raffaele is reworking what happened to him because what is removed or you try to delete sooner or later manifests in other forms. I do not think he understood what happened: went through all the problems, the process to conviction, acquittal to freedom, but has not really addressed, at least this is clear from the photographic choices. " Now we come to his photos of Perugia, immortalized by night and in fog. The psychologist says: "Being a guy contours unclear, its representations of the environment is always devoid of their linearity. The fog and night fascinate him because they hide the contours. The day and the sun representing the life, the project and the balance, which at this time of his life does not belong to while the night is an element that involved him in the dark and trying to find themselves and to return. " "OJ shots that portray Raffaele while nursing the child of a friend on the couch or while attending a dance class represent the other side of the personality of the young. His is an attempt to take up the life after everything that has happened. He wants to return to normal and tries to break with the past and with the vision that others have made of him. A vision that feels wrong. And as if to prove to the world that is not how the media have described it in all these years. That's why public photographs, everyone can see, it is with family or with his friends. " In this year and a half of freedom Raffaele has traveled extensively and now everyone is asking: What will you do? Wait for the new process? Many say leave Italy. The young man would in fact be ready to move to Switzerland. Forever. H 29 year-old accused of homicide Meredith is not only willing to go abroad avivere, but it is already in possession of a certificate that allows him to work and stay in Switzerland. As of March 6, also, it is also the sole director of a company that deals with the sale of manuscripts for the production of films and the collection of information on court cases unresolved. Just like its case. To the young man still missing four exams to graduate. Then, as explained, will move in the canton of Ticino to realize his dream of opening a computer security company. Even an alleged girlfriend, Maria, said that she and Raffaele already have the bags packed with destination Lugano: "We love each other and we're going to live together in Switzerland." "She is not my girlfriend and I live alone, I do not know that girl," has denied an upset Raffaele. Which could be forced to repatriate only if the prosecutor of Florence decided to arrest him.



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:25 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

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Wow, that's a lot of lip gloss.


Her eyes look weird.


While reporting live from the court room, during one of the appeal hearings, a journalist named Daniel Sandford mentioned in one of his tweets that Amanda Knox had unusual deep-set eyes. You can see that in one of the photos that Guermantes uploaded earlier.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 12:39 pm   Post subject: MUSIC FROM PERUGIA   



I went to this concert in Perugia. Enjoy.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 12:44 pm   Post subject: SACRED MUSIC FROM PERUGIA   



My camera could only take 30 second videos, but still, the voices were glorious.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 1:07 pm   Post subject: ELEVAZIONI SPIRITUALI DI QUARESIMA   



A fitting end to my visit to Perugia. The soprano's voice soared through the church.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 1:14 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Thank you, Ergon. Absolutely beautiful!

I hope you don't mind, but I edited your posts. I thought I'd give your videos the large high quality Youtube player, rather then the mean little one. Your videos deserve it :)

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 2:08 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Thanks, Michael.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 2:39 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Michael wrote:
Ava wrote:
zorba wrote:
Ava wrote:
zorba wrote:
Basically, Knox didn't learn any kind of a lesson, not one, she falsely accused Patrick Lumumba, and through her, an entire police force, in fact not one but two entirrely different forces have been displayed through her family/supporters and her words, as liars and rogues, the scientific department likewise, local citizens, such as shopkeepers, I mean just all of these people, yet isn't it just exactly the other way around; it is Knox who is the liar, the cheat?

Anyone taken in by her lies/tall tales must be mad.


I am starting to wonder...maybe it is some kind of unconscious self-punishment: piling up defamation suit after defamation suit, same with Raffaele who hardly misses any chance to make a fool out of himself.
In any case AK is lucky she practically doesn't feel embarrassed about anything, because I guess everyone else would, very much so.


Yes, well both you and Michael are right in different ways, what you say Ava, well, considering how often she is trying this on, I mean and then thinking it will not be obvious that she is making things up, what with making so very many accusations against so many different people and bodies, then one would ask is she mentally ill, stupid, or deep down does she want to get caught out, by making it all so ridiculous that even those who may have believed her will start finding it just a bit too much.


Basically, I think Michael is right, but that she is that thick she thinks it is as easy as accusing who the hell she pleases, I reckon this is all going to backfire, I know the Supreme Courts in Italy take a very serious view of such matters.


Actually I was talking a bit tongue-in-cheek (or trying to), but to me it's not a contradiction. Yes, she acts like a sociopath and keeps victimizing herself, but she also seems to have the tendency to mess things up for her (in general) and there might be reasons for that deep down, not on a conscious level.


Well, certainly, she has a few short circuits going on. This is the girl who does cartwheels and makes out with her boyfriend while also making faces, and laughs and jokes, down the police station when her 'friend' has just been murdered. Her not being wired right is a given. That also comes out in her eyes. And I've no doubt, her role in Meredith's murder will have put even more strain on some already very dodgy wiring. I don't think it's guilt though.


No, maybe more like low self-esteem, self-hatred, something like that...in fact we don't know very much about her apart from the known stories, but I'm not gonna read her 'memoir', the first 20 pages were enough.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 3:00 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Lovely singing Ergon, maybe someone can connect them up

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 4:55 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Folks, they can display her in any pose they like, all as I see is a 12-inch knife (approx.) in her hand.

Whatever happened, all of this, self-inflicted by the way, is going to make her properly nuts.

That face does not have a good look about it, in it, on it, and it's that same warped look she had in court; nothing has changed.


That woman looks like she is trying to get a zombie to come out of it, looks like someone in locked-in
syndrome.

It's all very sad, in different ways, sad that she has ruined her life, sad that she took Meredith's life away, that is my opinion, didn't have to be this way but there's something going on and has been, all her life that made things turn out this way. Something they are hiding in the family, I'm sure.

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Hi, tamale. I must admit, I am still a bit curious about Frank's comings and goings. Ergon has reported seeing him at the SC hearing, and, later in a car. Where's his blog? Where are the articles he's writing? Surely, he has access to a computer somewhere and could continue to report. How's he earning his living? He must not be feeling too threatened if he's out and about, driving around, attending hearings. Could someone else be selling his stories?

Hi Napia, I can not answer your questions as I don't know. Some say the Masons are Protecting him, which indicates (to me) that papadoc knows Frank has something on Raf. It is also possible that his recent begging to his family paid off. Either way, I see a bad scenario coming for Frank down the line somewhere (nebulous intuition).
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Pelerine wrote:
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Hi, tamale. I must admit, I am still a bit curious about Frank's comings and goings. Ergon has reported seeing him at the SC hearing, and, later in a car. Where's his blog? Where are the articles he's writing? Surely, he has access to a computer somewhere and could continue to report. How's he earning his living? He must not be feeling too threatened if he's out and about, driving around, attending hearings. Could someone else be selling his stories?


could it be that this was a rental car or someone else lent him this car??

I don't think he could expect to be seen from Ergon or someone who knows about his U.S. affairs when he
went to the Cassazione court. I bet he was quite surprised finding out that he was "detected".

I agree with the possibility of the lone car theory (sorry, it's early here).
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Hi, all. I did meet with PM Giuliano Mignini, but all I can say for now is that Frank Sfarzo (and others) are still under investigation, but now, for more than just the assault and defamation charges. Still catching up on work left undone while I was away, but I will post more details in a couple of weeks time.


Can you tell us more about the further investigations on Sfarzo/Sforza?
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Shocking horrible news from Boston. I just can't get over how evil some people are. I hope Jackie wasn't there. ( He runs marathons).

I tell myself I won't watch the interview with Diane Sawyer...but I probably will. It's not often that one gets to see an interview with a killer. I'd like some body experts to weigh in.Because..the mouth can say anything..but the body can and does..act involuntarily. And, because I believe Knox is a psycopath..with no internal understanding of empathy..she's going to get it all wrong. She'll do things she THINKS she needs to do. What she thinks an innocent person will do. No matter how quietly she speaks..or how studious and serious she tries to float out there..there will be many things to notice.

I play enough poker to look for *tells*. So, If I watch..it will be interesting from that point of view.

I also think that the Networks are a sham. It's about the ratings..and therefore the $$$'s. As much as I normally like Diane Sawyer..she's just another hired gun..being told how to conduct this interview. And, Knox has the * I can't answer that * because of the latest decision.


Yes, my friend...use your powers to read those 'tells'. I will be interested...I don't have tv here on the desert Isle. hugz-)
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I can believe Amanda was the recipient of many come ons. I do believe that because I am a single woman twice her age, and I get propositioned by teenagers all the time (dirty old men too), even tho I wear a fake wedding band. It's epidemic. Having said that, I think Amanda liked it, but now is trotting it out to use as ammunition, maybe on the advice of her advisors. ha

Looking at the big picture...the wheels are coming off the bus, the brakes are failing and there are no safety belts. I wonder who is driving???
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Here's a summary of the case, and my visit. Photos to follow.
The hills of Perugia are alive with spirits. I arrive after a long flight from Toronto at Rome's Fiumicino airport in the morning of March 18, am delayed on the motorway, and as I wait at Termini railway station, a pouring rain begins to fall. It is very healing, and I know, the spirit of Meredith Kercher, is finally, at peace.

The train to Perugia is a direct one, yay. I'm still late arriving there, and by the time I get my phone's SIM card changed, too late to make my appointment. But I am here in Perugia, a city that has fascinated me for so many years. For a case that haunts so many people.

Why am I here? I ask myself. Yes, it's a murder that touches on psychology and spirituality, but to come all the way to Italy for that? Sometimes, I just follow my feelings, and then later, know the whys of it. I'm here for justice, but, also, for Italy, and because, I have been here before. Yes, just thirty miles away, is Lake Trasimeno, a famous battle of the second Punic War in 217 B.C. and I wrote about that, and I wrote about my time in Rome, "The Man of War" in my novel Man From Atlan. But first, I go to the cottage at Via della Pergola 7, where the murder took place, and yes, there are spirits there. Meredith Kercher, the victim, Antonio Curatolo, the homeless man whose unshakable testimony helped provide a better understanding of the case, the many Carthaginian and Roman soldiers who died in the surrounding hills. I pray for them all, to be at peace.

The murder: The facts, as determined by the Micheli and Massei Courts (the Hellmann acquittal is now revoked) On November 01, 2007, British student Meredith Kercher was murdered by her roommate Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito (Amanda's boyfriend) Rudy Guede, an Ivorian resident of Perugia, has been found guilty as well by a separate trial process. Guede had fled to Germany, where he was found and returned to Italy. His fingerprint and DNA proved his presence in the cottage. His final trial in Rome, at Cassazione (the Giordano Report) establishes he did not act alone, and names Knox and Sollecito as accused co-conspirators.

Evidence: Numerous lies about the presence and whereabouts of the accused, alibis that fall apart under questioning, DNA of Raffaele Sollecito on Meredith's bra clasp, Meredith and Amanda's DNA found on a knife in Raffaele's flat (Meredith had never been there) Raffaele's footprint outlined in blood on a bathmat in the cottage, Meredith's blood mixed with Amanda's in the bathroom and another room, signs of a break in and Meredith is missing and not answering her phones, blood in the bathroom, Knox expresses concern but the police are not called for 40 minutes while she talks to her mother and room mate, and he calls his sister in the carabinieri, all of whom tell them to call the police!, signs of a clean up, signs that the break in was staged and the body was staged so as to suggest a robbery and sexual assault, and, as Sollecito breaks down and says that Amanda went away for a while and convinced him to lie for her, she turns around and accuses her boss Patrick Lumumba of having committed the murder while she was in the other room, covering her ears to block the sound of Meredith's screams. Yet, in the days after the murder, while every one else is in shock, she acts as if her 'friend' had not been killed, and her behavior caught on camera shows signs of psycho-sexual erotic release.

Supernatural coincidences: 1) Around 10:00 PM the night of November 01, a prank caller calls Elisabetta Lana on a country road outside the city walls and tells her not to use her toilet. It has been rigged to explode. She calls the police, who come by and find nothing. The next day, her son finds the first of two phones belonging to Meredith Kercher on her property...

He hands them in to the Postal Police, who, turning up at Meredith's cottage that day, surprise Raffaele Sollecito and Amanda Knox, with a mop and bucket she says was being taken over to Raffaele's apartment, even though he has a cleaning lady. They say there has been a break in, and have called the police. (Phone records show they did that after the time the postal police say they arrived) Raffaele keeps directing the police that 'nothing has been stolen', and Amanda, away from Meredith's locked door, that 'she always locks the door when she goes away'. The roommate denies this, and cause the door to be broken down, so that Meredith's slashed body is discovered.

2) Sometime during the night of November 01, two witnesses, Nara Capezzali and Maria Ilaria Dramis, who live in apartments overlooking the parking lot across from the cottage, 70-100 meters distance, hear a horrifying scream, and the sound of footsteps running away up an iron staircase. The courts determine this must have been from Meredith as she was being killed, and set a time of death based on an approximation of when the scream may have been heard. But I see, from my vantage point on the parking lot directly under their windows, that Meredith's window is facing away from them, and traffic noise, the thickness of their walls, and closed windows (it is chilly that day) make it unlikely they could physically have heard Meredith. Yet somehow, I believe they must have heard this psychic scream, so intense it transcended time and space, a quantum moment.

3) A car breaks down directly across from the cottage just before but is gone by 11:00 PM. No one can exit or enter without being observed.

The witnesses: 1) Antonio Curatolo, a homeless man, watches Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito have an intense conversation while peering over the fence of a basketball court towards the cottage. This is around 9:30 PM, then again at 11:00 PM.

2) Hekuran Kokomani, an Albanian cocaine dealer, sees Knox and Sollecito hiding among garbage bags at the entrance to the cottage. Knox threatens him with a knife,but Rudy Guede, whom he knows, comes along and offers him 300 euros to rent his car. (This is the amount of rent money stolen from Meredith, along with her credit cards and phones) He refuses and drives off, as they chase after him. He mentions seeing the broken down car, earlier, which places him at the scene. He flees to Albania afterwards, saying he's been threatened by associates of the Sollecitos.

3) Mario Quintavalle, a small store owner on Raffaele's street, says Amanda Knox came in early the next morning and wandered around the store close to the cleaning supplies. He cannot confirm she bought anything.

The families: The Kerchers impress all observers with their quite dignity. Struggling to make the stretched out court dates, they miss several important events due to the parents ill health and financial circumstances. Meanwhile, Knox's family has their expenses paid for by the networks hoping to land exclusive interviews.

The Knoxes/Mellas family (her parents have remarried) try to keep their daughter on track. She comes close to confessing she falsely accused Lumumba, till her father hushes her up. Her stepfather Chris Mellas sends abusive, threatening messages to female reporters whose reporting he disapproves of.

The Sollecitos: Daughter Vanessa loses her job due to her involvement in the case. Caught on wiretap discussing with her wealthy father how to use their political connections to change the judges. (This gets done when the Chief Justice of Umbria causes an experienced criminal judge to quit)

The PR campaign: Amanda's father Curt Knox hires Seattle PR agency Gogerty Marriott to feed pro-Knox info to the media. Media access is confined only to friendly reporters, so North American media takes on a pro-Knox hue. The British Kerchers never get interviewed on this side of the ocean for their views, and complain about how their daughter has been forgotten.

Gogerty Marriott, with their expertise in promoting defense giant Boeing and convincing Seattle taxpayers to fund new sports stadiums, plays the media for all it's worth, convincing Washington Senator Maria Cantwell and Donald Trump to make jingoistic threats against Italy, and specifically, prosecutor Giuliano Mignini, calling for him to be investigated.

Internet front organizations are set up to spam social media and give the impression of massive public support, even though most Americans are interested in the Casey Anthony and Jodi Arias trials. Run on the cheap by people with no expertise in forensic pathology or knowledge of Italian, they thrive on personal attacks and Google 'research' that gives the semblance of doubt, on specific items of evidence, and ignoring the vast sum of evidence, that, seen on the whole, are indicative of guilt.

This is where Perugian blogger Frank Sfarzo, aka Francesco Sforza, comes in. A seemingly endless source of case documents, he ingratiates himself with the press. At first, he is sympathetic to the Kerchers, but, seeing that most of the money is on the American side, switched to becoming one of the most prominent Knox supporters. He does this by conducting very public attacks on the prosecutor, Giuliano Mignini, criticizing his handling of the case. Imputing abuse of office by a public official (without proof) is a very serious crime in Italy, and when his blog is shut down, he claims instant victim hood. Few realize at the time that he is a vicious con man.

This is compounded by Prosecutor Mignini's dogged pursuing of a decades old case called Il Mostro di Firenze, the Monster of Florence (MOF) murders, where many couples were killed in ritualistic fashion and their sexual organs mutilated in a series of murders in the hills around Florence. There is high level interference of his investigation, even though his theory of masonic groups have already been echoed by many experienced prosecutors and investigators. He is found guilty of conducting an illegal wiretap, even though he had received permission. He appeals that, and also appeals directly to the Supreme Court, Cassazione, to allow him to continue his MOF investigation unimpeded.

The Acquittal: On October 03, 2011, the inexperienced Perugian Judge Hellmann, unprepared for this high profile criminal trial, acquits Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito. Knox flies back to Seattle, and, flush with the publicity, she and Sollecito soon land million $ book contracts, even though their acquittal has not been confirmed by Cassazione, as required by Italian law.

The Friends Of Amanda Knox: cock a hoop over their 'victory', crow about how there will be 'waves of lawsuits' directed at all of us on PERUGIA MURDER FILE where I have been contributing for the last two years as 'Ergon', my not-anonymous pseudonym. Combing through my internet postings, they compile a profile and start to pick on my spiritual beliefs. Fair enough, but the thing about it is, I investigate them too.

This is how I find they had hired a professor, Saul Kassin, to write a defense brief for the Italian courts how Amanda Knox had been 'coerced' to falsely accuse Patrick Lumumba. Yet when he publishes his 'findings' on the American Journal for Psychiatry he fails to disclose this. Oh, oh. I come up with other scoops about the infighting among the Friends Of Amanda and the secret meeting they all have on Vashon Island with their secret source, Frank Sfarzo, and retrieve from their secret forum's photos of the gathering. Then:

Sfarzo~gate: Francesco Sforza, on the run from Italy as authorities pursue him for a domestic violence case, attacking a police woman, and defaming a public official, issues several pleading letters for funds because he is being 'persecuted'. Many supporters of Amanda Knox are duped into sending him thousands of dollars to help him carry out the fight, but little did they know he already has been receiving a stipend from an American judge, Micheal Heavey, who has already been censured for writing letters to the Italian authorities. He comes to America where he is feted at a large gathering of Amanda supporters, many of them flipping a finger at PM Mignini to celebrate the 'victory' a photo that soon finds its way to me and now one of the most viewed on matters pertaining to this case. Hidden within the secret party, called by Amanda's family to coordinate the PR campaign, are Chris and Edda Mellas. They do not want any one to know of their connection with Frank, but already cracks are appearing in the facade.

He claims to have copies of Amanda's interrogation tapes, and to be able to 'blow the case wide open'. He asks for more money, but when none is forthcoming, becomes more bitter. His behaviour at the Mellases, causes him to be thrown out after two months staying there. Desperate because he's overstayed his visa, he tries to convince women to marry him so he can get a green card. Then he makes a trip to Hawaii to meet a female supporter. Things don't work out, he is abusive, and gets arrested. He gives a false name, Francesco Sforca, and is released when the supporter fails to press charges. She just wants him off the island. When she's attacked by the Group for telling about her experience, she contacts me. Writing about this opens the floodgates, and several sources approach me, and I get information about the tens of thousands of dollars he has collected in secret support from 'the Americans', about his legal troubles, and how he's been thrown out of Canada and charged in Seattle on further abuse charges. He even tried to sleep with Amanda Knox, as confirmed by her step father!

Then, I am told he's left behind crime scene documents in several places because of general forgetfulness and having to leave locations in a hurry. It appears, from perusing them, to contain files that came from a secret police source and insiders that did not come from official sources, but slipped to him before they were officially released. Hence, his ability to come up with the scoops that gave him an in with the media. I pass this on to the authorities, and follow up with several letters and gain a meeting with PM Mignini. And I start writing about these revelations. Much bleating about how they've been 'stolen'. Nope, they've been 'lost', and he can collect his 'property' from the authorities, maybe after appearing in court for the many charges he's evaded. I think that's it with him, then run into him in Rome, at Cassazione. He doesn't know who I am, but it seems, the story is not quite ended.

Perugian dreams: To get a feel for a place, you have to walk its streets, talk to its people. To understand a case, you visit the sites. To Elisabetta Lana's, Nara Capezalli, Maria Dramis, the cottage, the basketball court where Antonio sat.. The kebab place that gave Rudy Guede a 'bad stomache', I eat at five times. No problems there, and the many Arab hustlers and drug dealers and I get along just fine.

I have a short meeting with PM Mignini. Directed to his new office, I meet him coming down the escalators to meet me; in a few minutes I'd have missed him. We discuss the MOF case, and I wish him all the best at Cassazione. The next day, he has won a stunning victory, completely vindicated, and he is now on a fast track to becoming the chief prosecutor of the province of Umbria. Interesting, he shares the same interest in Gnosticism as me. We will keep in touch. I tell him I'll be in Rome myself the next week to witness what will come of the prosecution's appeal of the Knox-Sollecito acquittals. I have met him before; a friend from previous lives, and I have made many friends here, many friends going back to Etruscan times.

Perugia is indeed suffused with masonry, and its symbols abound. Today, here in Toronto, I am shown a picture of an ice sculpture of a Griffin, Perugia's emblem. Today, a new patient has the same birthday as Amanda Knox. Today, I am reminded about how Perugia haunts us still. But, there in Perugia, as I prepare to get ready for Rome, I see a flyer for a concert of choral music in the Marianum Auditorium.

And as the glorious soprano voice soars through the church, I think, I will come here again.
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More MandyLeaks:

In Book, Knox Takes Case to Court of Public Opinion
By JULIE BOSMAN
Published: April 18, 2013
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/19/books ... d=all&_r=0


While imprisoned in Italy for four years in the murder of her roommate, Amanda Knox fended off sexual harassment from guards and an overture from a cellmate. On the night of the killing, she was smoking marijuana and watching a movie with her Italian boyfriend. And those infamous cartwheels that Ms. Knox reportedly performed in the police station never happened.

Those assertions are among the many in “Waiting to Be Heard,” the long-awaited memoir that is Ms. Knox’s most extensive public testimony since she was convicted, and then acquitted, of killing her 21-year-old British roommate, Meredith Kercher.

“Until now I have personally never contributed to any public discussion of the case or of what happened to me,” Ms. Knox, 25, wrote in an author’s note at the end of the book. “While I was incarcerated, my attention was focused on the trial and the day-to-day challenges of life in prison. Now that I am free, I’ve finally found myself in a position to respond to everyone’s questions. This memoir is about setting the record straight.”

On the morning of Nov. 2, 2007, Ms. Kercher was found semi-naked, her throat slit, wrapped in a duvet and left in her bedroom in their villa in the picturesque town of Perugia. Ms. Knox, a college student from Seattle who was spending her junior year abroad, and her boyfriend at the time, Raffaele Sollecito, were accused by Italian prosecutors of killing Ms. Kercher in a sexual escapade gone wrong, along with Rudy Guede, an Ivory Coast native who was eventually convicted of Ms. Kercher’s sexual assault and murder.

An appeals court acquitted Ms. Knox and Mr. Sollecito two years after their original conviction, and they were released. But in March, Italy’s highest court overturned that decision, ordering a new trial sometime in the next year.

A copy of Ms. Knox’s book, which is scheduled for release on April 30, was obtained by The New York Times. The memoir prompted a highly competitive auction early last year, with seven publishers bidding on it and Ms. Knox receiving a reported $4 million advance from HarperCollins. Publishers were convinced that the intense publicity the case received, with its lurid details and the courtroom spectacle of two Italian trials, would make the book a big seller.

In 463 pages, Ms. Knox recounts her darkest moments in prison — at one point, she writes, she imagined committing suicide by suffocating herself with a garbage bag — as well as her routines there. She says she practiced Italian, wrote letters to family and friends and read books by Dostoyevsky and Umberto Eco.

Ms. Knox exhaustively lays out her defense, describing her whereabouts on the night that her roommate was killed. She says that she and Mr. Sollecito were smoking marijuana, reading a Harry Potter book aloud in German and watching the film “Amélie” at his apartment. (“Around our house, marijuana was as common as pasta,” Ms. Knox wrote, recalling that one of her roommates taught her how to roll a joint properly.)

She pointed to the Italian prosecutors who she said willfully ignored and manipulated evidence while they clung to the theory that she and Mr. Sollecito were responsible for Ms. Kercher’s death. A conversation with her mother from prison was distorted to help place her at the scene of the crime and promptly leaked to a British newspaper, she writes.

Prosecutors were just as adamant in making their case, presenting DNA and forensic evidence in court that they said proved her guilt.

According to Ms. Knox’s account, the police interrogated her for hours and sporadically slapped her on the back of her head. Her requests to use the bathroom were denied. Eventually they goaded her into signing a statement that implicated herself and an innocent man, Patrick Lumumba, her boss at a bar where she worked.

Confused and panicking after being taken to prison, Ms. Knox asked to make a phone call. “The guard looked at me like I’d asked for caviar and prosecco,” she wrote.

But Ms. Knox also said that her own mistakes contributed to her conviction. She admits to being naïve, sometimes inappropriate and odd, too proud to admit when her halting knowledge of Italian failed her. During the investigation, she followed the directions of the Italian police “like a lost, pathetic child,” she recalled.

In one highly publicized incident that Ms. Knox discusses in the book, after the body of Ms. Kercher was discovered in her bedroom, Ms. Knox stood outside the villa and repeatedly kissed Mr. Sollecito, drawing suspicion from the police. “Later, people would say that our kisses were flirtatious — evidence of our guilt,” she wrote.

At the police station, while Ms. Kercher’s British friends huddled together in grief, Ms. Knox wrote that she paced the hallways, dry-eyed, slamming the heel of her palm against her own forehead in anger.

“First I showed not enough emotion; then I showed too much,” she wrote. “It’s as if any good will others had toward me was seeping out like a slow leak from a tire, without my even realizing it.”

Later, a journal entry from that day, in which Ms. Knox wrote that she would “really like to say that I could kill for a pizza but it just doesn’t seem right,” would make her appear even more suspicious. In the book, she dismissed it as “gallows humor.”

“The words in my journal were taken literally, and they damned me,” she wrote. “It was a situation I would find myself in again and again.”

Book publishers from major publishing houses who met with Ms. Knox last year said they were dazzled by her charm, intelligence and forthright demeanor. HarperCollins, a News Corporation subsidiary, eventually secured the rights to publish the book in a deal brokered by the Washington lawyer Robert B. Barnett.

Whether Ms. Knox can win over the book-buying public is another matter.

Will she come across as an innocent abroad, a naïve college student ensnared by a medieval Italian legal system? Or, as she has been portrayed in the Italian and British press, a cunning seductress who engineered the brutal killing of her roommate?

Ms. Knox has scarcely spoken in public, and her first high-profile interview, with Diane Sawyer of ABC News, is scheduled to appear on the book’s publication date.

Ms. Knox has been living in Seattle and studying creative writing, the book notes. While much of Ms. Knox’s book recounts her imprisonment and legal battles, she also writes about returning to life outside of prison walls.

Racing down the highway from Perugia to Rome in a chauffeured car after her release, Ms. Knox’s mother, Edda Mellas, handed her a touch-screen BlackBerry so she could call some family members.

“I hadn’t picked up a cellphone in years, and never a touch-screen,” Ms. Knox wrote. “This device was as good as sci-fi to me.”
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:26 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Nell wrote:
While reporting live from the court room, during one of the appeal hearings, a journalist named Daniel Sandford mentioned in one of his tweets that Amanda Knox had unusual deep-set eyes. You can see that in one of the photos that Guermantes uploaded earlier.

Thanks Nell, I remember it now.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:32 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

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Blow dried hair. Extensions too?

They were probably struggling to make her look like on the book cover.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:38 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Book Review in the New York Times:

In Book, Knox Takes Case to Court of Public Opinion
By Julie Bosman

“Until now I have personally never contributed to any public discussion of the case or of what happened to me,” Ms. Knox, 25, wrote in an author’s note at the end of the book. “While I was incarcerated, my attention was focused on the trial and the day-to-day challenges of life in prison. Now that I am free, I’ve finally found myself in a position to respond to everyone’s questions. This memoir is about setting the record straight.”


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:48 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Ava, looks like you were faster than me :)

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:04 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Begging for sympathy?

Amanda Knox Reveals in Book She Considered Suicide in Prison
By Nikki Battiste


Amanda Knox thought she might rather die than spend another day in prison.

Sitting in her cold, grey prison cell, she even debated how she would end her life.

All she could see were the prison's 60 feet high walls, topped with barbed wire. Isolated and afraid, she watched other inmates through barred glass doors.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:19 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Another video teaser:

Amanda Knox Book Reveals She Considered Suicide
Amanda Knox's exclusive interview the Diane Sawyer airs April 30 at 10 p.m.
00:30 | 04/18/2013
http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/amanda-k ... e-18991403

Diane Sawyer: "To get right to it, did you kill Meredith Kercher?"


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:21 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

guermantes wrote:
Ava, looks like you were faster than me :)

th-)


No prob :)
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:27 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Can anyone please explain to me what she meant by writing this:

Knox: "I started to understand how you could feel so locked inside your own life that you could be so desperate to escape, even if it meant that you would no longer exist," she writes.

Is she speaking about her supposed suicide attempt here?

It's the kind of convoluted language we've seen her use before; nothing ever changes. I feel a headache coming on just from reading this one line from her book. I thought that I could have just got used to her writing style but now after reading this I don't think I have.
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zorba wrote:
Folks, they can display her in any pose they like, all as I see is a 12-inch knife (approx.) in her hand.

Whatever happened, all of this, self-inflicted by the way, is going to make her properly nuts.

That face does not have a good look about it, in it, on it, and it's that same warped look she had in court; nothing has changed.


That woman looks like she is trying to get a zombie to come out of it, looks like someone in locked-in
syndrome.

It's all very sad, in different ways, sad that she has ruined her life, sad that she took Meredith's life away, that is my opinion, didn't have to be this way but there's something going on and has been, all her life that made things turn out this way. Something they are hiding in the family, I'm sure.


In the 'memoir' she hints at the tension between her parents, they wouldn't speak to each other even though they were practically neighbors, and this was up until Amanda decided to go to Perugia. But you were probably thinking of something else.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:00 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

I understand even less after reading through Nikki Battiste's article.

At the beginning, we're told that Knox had considered committing suicide (She "thought she might rather die than spend another day in prison"), but towards the middle of the article, there is this bit where Knox denies having any suicidal thoughts. Well, which is it, Nikki?

Quote:
Knox writes that after her arrest, and long before she was found guilty, the prison psychiatrist would ask her if she harbored suicidal thoughts – a question that initially struck her as strange.

She was surprised to learn she was put on suicide watch the night of her conviction, a bitterly cold night just before Christmas in 2009.

At the time, she explains that she thought, "I could never consider such a thing."


Doesn't that strike you as odd and contradictory?

ETA: Okay, just read page 2 of the article. stup-)
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:17 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Ava wrote:
zorba wrote:
Folks, they can display her in any pose they like, all as I see is a 12-inch knife (approx.) in her hand.

Whatever happened, all of this, self-inflicted by the way, is going to make her properly nuts.

That face does not have a good look about it, in it, on it, and it's that same warped look she had in court; nothing has changed.


That woman looks like she is trying to get a zombie to come out of it, looks like someone in locked-in
syndrome.

It's all very sad, in different ways, sad that she has ruined her life, sad that she took Meredith's life away, that is my opinion, didn't have to be this way but there's something going on and has been, all her life that made things turn out this way. Something they are hiding in the family, I'm sure.


In the 'memoir' she hints at the tension between her parents, they wouldn't speak to each other even though they were practically neighbors, and this was up until Amanda decided to go to Perugia. But you were probably thinking of something else.



No, you're right Ava, that is exactly what I was thinking and wrote it then changed it, as I didn't want to write it by halves/hastily, as I think there's something not right about all of that (as you also said, in the family) but her dad, I think he gives off really bad vibes, just no manners at all.

I've written lots about that, in the past, written about how I think and feel too,
all of that going on,
something I see in Knox,
where she had a deep hurt (rejection and abandonment sydrome),
and I think all of this has to do with that and I feel it has to do with her sense of rejection,
because no matter what,
no matter how she seemed and seems,
I think she is very unstable,
had a very nervous disposition,
and that's why she competed so much,
trying to belong,
I feel this is where the explosion came when she came into contact with others who were not part of her props, her fixturee, her support and back-up system,
but as she was away from home,
she became wild,
as she had probably been doing things to be worthy in her parents eyes,
her mother having to deal with an abrupt, unfriendly man, who would not help out,
I think Knox A,
may have felt hurt to think her dad didn't love her or her sister,
not enough to want to contribute. So she probably was always half embarrassed in his presence and was too scared ever to say what she felt.

I feel Meredith paid for that stuff.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:23 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Get right to it?
HUH??

What did Sawyer think she was going to say: Well, listen, yes, I did do it, just between you and me, oh and the viewers.

Christ, I haven't looked into this woman as they all make me sick but she obviously isn't the brightest spark either then!

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:25 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Ergon, friend. Thank you for your post. I scarcely know where to begin to tell you how moved I am at your dedication to the cause of justice for Meredith. So many people have conspired to hide and twist the truth. Over the past two years, I have come to depend on you, your insightful posts, your calm humor in the face of the inevitable insults hurled at you because of your beliefs, and your occasional sarcasm. You have dogged the path of the corrupt, the liars, those whose self-interests have caused them to lose any sense of morality. You never wavered. The strength you have shown, the courage, is something rarely seen these days. Proud to know you.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:34 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Amanda Knox tells People she's sometimes 'paralyzed' with anxiety after slaying, trial
By Associated Press

Amanda Knox says in a new interview that she's sometimes "paralyzed" with anxiety stemming from the death of her roommate in Italy and the trial that saw her convicted, then acquitted, in a case that made headlines across the globe.

Knox recently spoke to People magazine over several days at her mother's home in Seattle.

Knox tells People she is still dealing with difficult emotions. Her full interview will be published in the magazine's April 26 edition.


THE REPUBLIC

"...she's sometimes "paralyzed" with anxiety..." - Oh, really? That kinda explains why she looks so unnatural, stiff and rigid - as if frozen - look now, poor thing, she's "paralyzed."
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 11:12 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Ah, the sensationalistic headlines in the Daily Mail and the Telegraph...we've seen them before. Don't you ever get sick of them? I do. Ridiculous, entertainment news fodder. Content wise, I'd say virtually nothing new; just repeating what other papers have already reported.

'Marijuana was as common as pasta': Amanda Knox reveals her drug-filled days in Italy - and how she contemplated suicide while in prison
By Beth Stebner

THE DAILY MAIL

Amanda Knox 'was reading Harry Potter when Meredith was murdered', she claims in memoir
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 11:47 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Knox's 'paralysis': in her own words ;)

Amanda Knox Talks for First Time about Agony of Jail, Joys of Freedom
By Elizabeth Leonard

During an emotional, candid and wide-ranging interview, which took place in her mother's Seattle home over several days, Knox, 25, details her odyssey from carefree American college student in Perugia, Italy, to convicted murderer confined to a cell for four years for allegedly killing her roommate, British student Meredith Kercher.

"When Meredith was murdered and I was arrested, it was so shocking. It was paralyzing. Everything toppled," says Knox, who also shares the overwhelming joy of being set free after an appeals court overturned the charges in 2011.

"Things creep up on me and all of a sudden I'm overwhelmed by the feeling of helplessness and that desperation and fear to even hope," she says. "Just that can make my heart race and makes me paralyzed until I can breathe it away."


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Amanda Knox tells People she's sometimes 'paralyzed' with anxiety after slaying, trial
By Associated Press

Amanda Knox says in a new interview that she's sometimes "paralyzed" with anxiety stemming from the death of her roommate in Italy and the trial that saw her convicted, then acquitted, in a case that made headlines across the globe.

Knox recently spoke to People magazine over several days at her mother's home in Seattle.

Knox tells People she is still dealing with difficult emotions. Her full interview will be published in the magazine's April 26 edition.


THE REPUBLIC

"...she's sometimes "paralyzed" with anxiety..." - Oh, really? That kinda explains why she looks so unnatural, stiff and rigid - as if frozen - look now, poor thing, she's "paralyzed."


I notice there are many articles that mention Amanda Knox was first convicted then (finally) acquitted either without mentioning the latest Supreme Court decision or mentioning it only as a side note, as if it is of little importance that her acquittal was annulled and why it was annulled.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 11:55 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Regarding your comment, Guermantes, about Knox being "paralyzed", it must be very uncomfortable to face a public when you know perfectly well that the majority of them doesn't believe in your innocence. A difficult position for her to be in.

The Kerchers have been applauded everywhere (except in the Knox groupies headquarters) for being so dignified and educated. The exact opposite is true for Amanda Knox and her family. The most positive comment is that she is "quirky".
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 1:05 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Nell wrote:
Regarding your comment, Guermantes, about Knox being "paralyzed", it must be very uncomfortable to face a public when you know perfectly well that the majority of them doesn't believe in your innocence. A difficult position for her to be in.


I agree, Nell. I think this whole "I'm paralyzed" thing is used by Knox as an excuse when she feels too threatened or looks awkward and stiff (or gets too emotional) in an interview. I knew she would use the "I'm so traumatized" defense to cover the truth and her real feelings. She can't stand it when reporters start digging around or asking uncomfortable questions. It's similar to when she started crying when Mignini questioned her in prison (Dec 18, 2007). If she were innocent, she would be eager to answer any questions without reservations.

If she is so traumatized, why isn't she seeking professional psychological help and counseling?

Also: why did it take several days for the People magazine to complete "an emotional, candid and wide-ranging interview" with Knox; were their reporters getting too close for (her) comfort? She probably needed more time to prepare her answers, i.e. mull over what she was going to say next. Just my opinion.
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Ergon , Thanks for your detailed posts of the case and Perugia. A strong visual and auditory account with an authentic feel for what transpired in Perugia and Cassazione. Its in sharp contrast to the mamma mia , marijuana as common as pasta, prosecco script we are about to hear.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 2:25 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Poll:

Will you buy Amanda Knox’s book ‘Waiting to be Heard’

No (66%, 149 Votes)
Yes (34%, 78 Votes)

Total Voters: 227

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:28 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Great articles. Thanks, all. I'm a bit surprised by the fact that none of these articles are carrying new, candid photos.
Wonder why that is. Is she still under wraps? Not attending classes? Maybe not enough interest?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:40 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

I just noticed that the link to Nikki Battiste's article is no longer working and the article itself has disappeared from the ABC website. Did she deviate too far from the pre-prepared "script"? Or did she say too much? ;)

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 4:05 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Napia5 wrote:
I'm a bit surprised by the fact that none of these articles are carrying new, candid photos. Wonder why that is. Is she still under wraps?


An article in the Times (behind a pay wall) was accompanied by this new photo of Knox. All that makeup on her face...

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More photos HERE, if you can take it.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:52 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

guermantes wrote:
Poll:

Will you buy Amanda Knox’s book ‘Waiting to be Heard’

No (66%, 149 Votes)
Yes (34%, 78 Votes)

Total Voters: 227

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Can just picture one (a single, uno, 1) little man racing around to every internet cafe he can find to register and vote

See, here it is not even necessary to mention (a) name(s) to know who I mean

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 6:03 am   Post subject: CCTV 10 minutes fast   

CCTV fast...slow....fast...slow....FAST

My opinion about the CCTV being 10 minutes fast/slow. I remember this giving me a headache the first time I got into it and surprise surprise it still does :) Thanks to the 2+2 forum guys we can now download a bunch of court docs:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/opsuu757ns0tdes/rQxtsopej-

One of the docs shows the testimony of Maurio Barboduri (police) who states the CCTV clock is 10 minutes ahead as some tech guy tested that with the real time on the internet. Now if only mr Barboduri had a small piece of paper with the analyses of that tech guy stating his test (simply comparing 2 times) and we would have known the exact difference. Unfortunately, 'poor' Maurio doesn't know much else, not even the name of that tech guy.

Then comes Bongiorno with CCTV images and phone records. At 13:29 (phone record) the Carabiniere office calls that their car can't find the cottage. Phone is being given to the postal police and this call lasts 5 minutes (probably because they had found the body in the mean time). I don't know if only after this call the office contacts the car to give the information. Then the CCTV shows images of a Carabiniere policeman walking towards the gate at 13:22.:15. Then Carabiniere car follows and is seen extremely slowly entering the driveway up until 13:22:50. Since the phonecall for directions ends at 13:34, Bongiorno therefore claims that the CCTV clock is 10 minutes slow.

Bongiorno's whole argument stands or falls with the Carabiniere policeman and car going to the cottage at the 13:22 time. I don't think any testimony of the Carabiniere exists if those images show them entering the cottage. Problem is that it doesn't show what Bongiorno would like. It shows a Carabiniere car moving very slowly in front of the driveway entrance towards the cottage. No way can you tell that it is actually entering the gate. If the first policeman on foot had entered the gate then it would not take almost 2 minutes for him to reach the cottage. It is just 50 meters. So why would the postal police stay on the phone with the Carabiniere if they had already arrived? And why didn't they mention it if that is what happened?

My conclusion, the clock is fast. The Carabiniere police guy at 13:22:15 is looking for the address, goes to checkout the gate, sees the gate closed, empty parking lot, no people, thinks he has wrong address. Carabiniere car moves in front of the cottage driveway entrance to pickup police guy and move on. IMO the last 2 CCTV images (http://lnx.giovinazzo.it/images/postale.pdf 10MB file!) of the Carabiniere car show that the car is straightening his wheels as if it is just parking at the side and not actually entering the driveway. A bit later they find out they have to call for directions and go back to the cottage. Real time: 13:12-13:13 Carabiniere are looking around but they mess up and move on, 13:29 call for directions, arrive after phone call ends at 13:34.

So how does a 10 minute fast CCTV clock fit with the rest of the testimony and evidence.
- It fits with the conclusions of the tech guy checking the real time and the CCTV time (a 10 minute slow CCTV also doesn't really fit with the Carabiniere car arriving and the end of the 13:29 phone call, therefore you sometimes see it suggested that the CCTV was 12 minutes slow so the tech guy must have totally messed up!)
- It fits with the postal police claiming they arrived at about 12:35.
- It fits with testimony that Filomena's bf arrived before 13:00 (and saw AK and RS coming from AK's room).
- It fits with a reasonable response time from the Carabiniere who has an office not that far from the cottage. Arriving at 13:12 after 12:51 call. Unfortunately they can't find the address and it takes them awhile and a call for directions to find it. This is not so strange as the postal police had the same problem.
- It fits with a rather strange remark by AK's mother that 'nothing had happened yet' when AK called her mother at 12:47. Something had already happened, the postal police was there. AK conveniently does not remember.
- It fits with RS calling the Carabiniere after the arrival of the Postal police and himself admitting to this: "Then I decided to call my sister for advice because she is a lieutenant in the carabinieri. She told me to call 112 but by this time the postal police had arrived."

On a side note there are CCTV images of a person in white clothes walking toward the cottage on the night of the murder.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tH-klo4 ... 5AC5BA6C63
This was timed at 20:41 which would then corresponds to 20:31 real time. We can now safely exclude the possibility of this person being Meredith. The white colored clothes already excluded her but now so does the time. Can it still be AK? I think so. IIRC the cell her phone used for the 20:18 text message from Patrick showed her outside the neighborhood of RS's apartment. If she was just going to pick something up from the cottage and return to RS then she could make it back before the Polish student arrives around 20:40. Her reply to Patrick at 20:35 was made from the area of RS's apartment so this could mean she was on the way there. Since we can't make any identification of that person, there is also a chance that this person was unrelated to the cottage.

Edited: Correction. The CCTV time of the person in white seems to be 20:51 so real time 20:41. This seems to exclude both Meredith and AK (unless Popovic timing was a bit off ;))


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 6:04 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Just have her in a situation, even once, where she is questioned properly, confronted, and no ridiculous accommodating niceties to house the possible lies, and she may freak out, and show how her temperament really is, you know the one that obviously existed the night Meredith died, at least, that's my view of it.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 6:43 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Good piece Max.

I may dare look into that.

I find lots of all this works better than coffee to get ye olde bowels on the move of a morning, well evening daytime any time you like time.

I recall Sollecito's distant, distant cousin, lawyer Bon Dias, heaving the arms into the air like someone does when a goal has been scored, yes that she did, when the pair had the first court ruling overturned in the appeal,
now,
if she is like that,
could someone find the scene where the antonym of pseudo jubilation is played out by her, perhaps standing on a high bridge waiting to jump off into the swelling river below, upon hearing that appeal had been overturned? Yes into the abyss of your putrid sewer-like thinking.

Tell ya what, I used to wonder how people could do the job, and still do, when they know their client is guilty, I mean her eyes didn't look too different to those of Napoleoni in this, penetrating, the look on her face was like saying, okay country distant cousin (in court) tell me your lies, for I am sworn in to act like I believe them, but, I don't, and though I think and know it's terrible the way you are and what you've done, hey, just wait for my arms to reach for the sky if I win, as to me that is what it is all about.

Now, when I saw her, and wondered about her, I could not imagine she had kids herself, because though you as a professional do a job and are sworn to uphold certain rules and codes, ethical matters, still you are always a human being, and some situations demand so much from a person to be able to keep up the act, especially lawyers then, they absolutely are not allowed to defend you if you ever say a word to the effect that you are in fact guilty, as long as you do not say anything like thart, then a lawyer, most, manage to do what they do and the ones who realise how serious it is, would stop immediately with carrying your defence if you ever say a word about being guilty, but so often they obviously know but must defend you, their client. So her arms meant nothing to me, it was all about herself, because winning cases is not about liking the client or believing them, it's about gaining more power by building up your CV.

So I'd think of her, and what it meant to be defending someone you probably despise, and who you would not want murdering your child, but she had no kids so I imagined maybe she does not feel that, does not relate to it, how it is to have your child murdered, but then it was reported that she had become pregnant, and then I thought, yes, imagine all of the usual things, the love you have for your little baby, your baby person, and does it still not affect her.
Well, not enough if it ever did as she continued to defend dad's son, the only one.


Dad: Listen son, you know I love your sister, but I'm from an older generation one where the men were always head of the family and in this in Italy, we are not unique, I think it perhaps dates back to something someone wrote in the bible, now, you may be a cause of endless trouble & strife to me son, but it is you who has to set forth the family tree; who will carry MY name, if not you?

Son: Yes dad, I'm not the comfortable at the dance, the people it look to me, and I hear them say the strange thing not like the Guede exactly but, well they are not discrete, I want them to ignore my situation, I say hey girl, could I have this dance, the girl it react one eye pinned to floor the other on il ceilo, con gli occhi inchiodati al soffitto, her other eye to the ceiling papa, maybe her third eye it look me, but she spit, no grazia, I like my life the way it is, especially as in alive. Go away or I call someone, creep!

Dad: I see, well I have some connections in Lugana, a guy's waterworks I repaired, plumbed his leaking bowel, stopped the leak, is from there, he owes me a favour, I'll have a chat and see if I can't arrange a nice little permit for you son, you can get away from these indiscreet people and go and live amongst the ignorant huns who will gladly turn a blind eye, they are neutral and will not care, if you tell them you're a murderer they'll say, it has nothing to do with me, I'm discrete, I know nothing, welcome to your new home, please don't murder anyone I know.

Son: What would I do without you dad?

Dad: Be poor? Spend your life in prison?

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 9:32 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

guermantes wrote:
I just noticed that the link to Nikki Battiste's article is no longer working and the article itself has disappeared from the ABC website. Did she deviate too far from the pre-prepared "script"? Or did she say too much? ;)

ABC

You can find part of the article here (including the Principessa sul Pisello quote):
http://www.passfail.com/news/abc/amanda ... 450721.htm

Maybe they thought it was too detailed, they want people to still buy the book after all...


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 9:34 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

The Continuing Story of His Highness (crack) the Honorable One

Son: What's the difference between you and me dad

Dad: Difference? You're young I am not?

Son: Yes but no dad, what else

Dad: I worked for a living you look like you'll be working on a prison farm if you're lucky?

Son: Er, please don't make the joke dad, I'm serious

Dad: I was being serious son, did you think you'll be the Italian Prime Minister, or counsellor for those falsely accused of murder?

Son: Don't be silly, Prime Minister is not a stable position, yes, counsellor I thought!

Dad: Are you nuts or what, who will your first clients be, Phil Spector and Charles Manson, or maybe you will seek to prove that the dictator Saddam was in fact a wonderful man?

Son: Dad I asked you a question, now answer it before I refuse to use up any more of your money

Dad: Listen son, how the fcuk do I know, sorry

Son: Well, if you want the truth, you used knives to save people's lives, I used a knife to murder a young woman

Dad: What? Are you nuts, don't say this

Son: But ya know it's true dad don't you, I had to tell someone and you're the only one I can trust

Dad: I heard nothing, I saw nothing, I say nothing!

Son: Case closed then paps?

Dad: My love goes where nobody knows, and water flows up mountains

Curtain closes very slowly with dad and son doing a cabaret act with tap dancing, and a dozen chorus girls who all look like Knox, followed by the final act of Sollecito throwing a dozen knives at a woman chained to a pole

Backstage dad: He's very good with knives

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 10:12 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

The following reminds me of something, anyone else likewise?



'When the bombs blow up, when most people are running away and victims were lying on the ground, the two suspects walk away pretty casually,' said the official to CNN, who has seen the unreleased video.

'They acted differently than everyone else,' he added.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:26 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

So if one of the suspects in the Boston bombing had included Knox, would the American public have accepted ABC, King and the other junkyard press and TV, presenting her as some good little girl, just because she is young, would they have dressed her up like a doll, showing off her legs that way, make up which she has never been seen to wear, and use this sexual element, would the American people have accepted barbarians like Fischer and Sfarz

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:26 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:28 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

1) So if one of the suspects in the Boston bombing had included Knox,
would the American public have accepted ABC, King and the other junkyard press and TV,
presenting her as some kind of good little girl,
just because she is young, female and (so-called) attractive/pretty?

2) Would they have dressed her up like a doll, showing of her legs that way,
make up which she has never been seen to wear,
and use this sexual element?

3) Would the American people have accepted barbarians like Fischer and Sfarz bullying people to make them shut up or accept their lies?

4) Would people have accepted a criminal firm like Marriot's one, doing what it has done?

5) Would they have accepted the posing and lying doine by her family?

Somehow, I do not think so!

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 1:02 pm   Post subject: PERUGIANS REMEMBER MEREDITH   

Thanks, Napia5 and malvern, for your appreciation of my reporting from Perugia. One thing I noted there was how, even as they moved on, every one I spoke to there remembered her, and told how much they had been affected by this sad case. They adopted this young woman from the U.K. as one of their own and took her and her family into their hearts.

Another observation: the reputation PM Mignini has there, as an honest, incorruptible prosecutor. They were indeed, proud of him and all were aware how unfair the media portrayals of him were.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 2:07 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

max wrote:
CCTV fast...slow....fast...slow....FAST

On a side note there are CCTV images of a person in white clothes walking toward the cottage on the night of the murder.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tH-klo4 ... 5AC5BA6C63
This was timed at 20:41 which would then corresponds to 20:31 real time. We can now safely exclude the possibility of this person being Meredith. The white colored clothes already excluded her but now so does the time. Can it still be AK? I think so. IIRC the cell her phone used for the 20:18 text message from Patrick showed her outside the neighborhood of RS's apartment. If she was just going to pick something up from the cottage and return to RS then she could make it back before the Polish student arrives around 20:40. Her reply to Patrick at 20:35 was made from the area of RS's apartment so this could mean she was on the way there. Since we can't make any identification of that person, there is also a chance that this person was unrelated to the cottage.


Agree with your conclusions re: the clock being fast, max. And yes, it gave me a headache too! In the end, it was all about Bongiorno throwing up a lot of smoke, (as did Ghirga, about CCTV's on Corso Garibaldi) Regarding the CCTV images: I observed the camera locations in Perugia, (as of 2013) and the initial shot, is from inside the underground garage; only people who've parked there would have access (Or drug dealers entering from the road to do their business) Then you have the ramp leading from the upper open parking level, and that would be where Meredith would have returned home from Sophie's, Via Lupo, down the iron stairs, across the upper lot and the ramp would have taken her almost directly opposite the cottage entrance (Some Alibi's YouTube video of Meredith's possible walk home is priceless) But no, the image on the CCTV is NOT Meredith)

Could it be Knox? I'm not sure, but cell phone records show her near Il Cedro when she got Patrick's call. Then she went to Sollecito's on Corso Garibaldi to be observed there around 8:48 PM, and this is not proof, but still, it's from the other side of town. Keep in mind the cottage entrance is at the junction of the parking garage, Via degli Scortici (on the north side of the basketball court) Via della Pergola, and Viale Sant'Antonio. That'swhy the carbinieri needed directions, the entrance is obscured) I didn't know this, btw, but Via della Pergola actually begins at the top of the stairs beside the basketball court, again a source of confusion. So, if Curatolo saw the two by the fence, peering over at the cottage, then the natural approach to the cottage from there, would be down the Via della Pergola stairs. That's why they didn't show up on the CCTV cameras, I think.

As to why they didn't show up on cameras on Corso Garibaldi (there are two from Raffaele's home, I looked) my answer would be the intensive network of back alleys, used by residents of Perugia, many devoid of CCTV's. Plus, half of them are usually broke down at any time. That gave me a headache till I saw for myself, it was just Ghirga blowing smoke.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 2:25 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Hello Ergon,

I appreciate your reporting from Perugia too, and your calm, polite manner.


However, those things about having met people in past lives, that's a personal thing, and whether that is real or not, putting things like that into your story, only serves to lend yourself and this case, I feel, to ridicule, even if I myself have views on reincarnation, etc, when you say you've met Mignini in past lives, I really think that's a stretch. I have heard many other people on certain sites talking that way, and I'm afraid I dislike it.
I mean, I do know about such things, after all Yogananda said the same kind of things and I liked that person too, but I never could get my head around statements like that.

I also know a lot about Gnosticism, but whatever the case is, I think, especially with the way everything anyone says is undermined, putting that out here that way on here, honestly, I don't think it is helpful. What is a serious undertaking by you, will then be ridiculed because of your good nature and wanting to share your beliefs, therefore making the value of what you wanted to share, your trip, sound like nonsense.

I hope I don't come across in the wrong way, as I am a spiritual person too but to me to state that you knew Mignini in previous lives, sorry I don't believe that a person could know such things.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 2:38 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Thanks Ergon. It is great that you have a sense of location and distances from your visit to Perugia. If the CCTV clock isn't confusing enough, the cell phone pings are even more difficult to figure out IMO. I also think Massei made some mistakes there but I don't remember exactly. What is frustrating about the CCTV clock is that it could have been made clear so easily by Barboduri but he kinda made a mess of it. What Bongiorno does is tricky. Especially when you look at the images in the postale.pdf. At page 144 they draw lines to indicate the direction of the Caribinieri car but that is not certain at all. I see that car is going to park at the side there, yet the defence draw a line there as to indicate the car is going inside through the gate (which you can't see). Tricky...tricky...
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:18 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

malvern wrote:
Ergon , Thanks for your detailed posts of the case and Perugia. A strong visual and auditory account with an authentic feel for what transpired in Perugia and Cassazione. Its in sharp contrast to the mamma mia , marijuana as common as pasta, prosecco script we are about to hear.

I second that, mille grazie! :)
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:30 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Nell wrote:
guermantes wrote:
Amanda Knox tells People she's sometimes 'paralyzed' with anxiety after slaying, trial
By Associated Press

Amanda Knox says in a new interview that she's sometimes "paralyzed" with anxiety stemming from the death of her roommate in Italy and the trial that saw her convicted, then acquitted, in a case that made headlines across the globe.

Knox recently spoke to People magazine over several days at her mother's home in Seattle.

Knox tells People she is still dealing with difficult emotions. Her full interview will be published in the magazine's April 26 edition.


THE REPUBLIC

"...she's sometimes "paralyzed" with anxiety..." - Oh, really? That kinda explains why she looks so unnatural, stiff and rigid - as if frozen - look now, poor thing, she's "paralyzed."


I notice there are many articles that mention Amanda Knox was first convicted then (finally) acquitted either without mentioning the latest Supreme Court decision or mentioning it only as a side note, as if it is of little importance that her acquittal was annulled and why it was annulled.

I don't know about the interview but in the teaser they say something like "now with her freedom on the line she speaks...". So it seems they're trying to exploit the latest events somehow, they sure won't bother with any details about Cassazione etc. though.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:48 pm   Post subject: ON REINCARNATION   

zorba wrote:
Hello Ergon,

I appreciate your reporting from Perugia too, and your calm, polite manner.


However, those things about having met people in past lives, tha'ts a personal thing, and whether that is real or not, putting things like that into your story, only serves to lend yourself and this case, I feel, to ridicule, even if I myself have views on reincarnation, etc, when you say you've met Mignini in past lives, I really think that's a stretch. I have heard many other people on certain sites talking that way, and I'm afraid I dislike it.
I mean, I do know about such things, after all Yogananda said the same kind of things and I liked that person too, but I never could get my head around statements like that.

I also know a lot about Gnosticism, but whatever the case is, I think, especially with trhe way everything anyone says is undermined, putting that out here that way on here, honestly, I don't think it is helpful. What is a serious undertaking by you, will then be ridiculed because of your good nature and wanting to share your beliefs, therefore making the value of what you wanted to share, your trip, sound like nonsense.

I hope I don't come across in the wrong way, as I am a spiritual person too but to me to state that you knew Mignini in previous lives, sorry I don't believe thart a person could know such things.


Hi, zorba, thanks for your kind comments, and I am taking it in that manner. Since it has been raised, I have to respond, even though this brings up a diversion from the case, which many may now exploit.. It should be no secret by now that I have strong spiritual views and the reason I got so involved with the case is because of that. Otherwise I would have been long gone. It also seems it is often my own 'side' that brings up this as a problem, as the core group seems to be people of an er, skeptical persuasion. So if I use my TCM skills to say Knox had a Drug and Alcohol abuse problem before she left Seattle then I must censor my beliefs and if I say astrology explains the circumstances of the night of the murder then it opens us up to ridicule because Bruce Fischer says so? I made it clear that my writings are my own personal expression and views, so we need to respect that, otherwise I am being asked to censor myself here (which I have done ever since I volunteered to take on the admin job) while others are not, and this is fundamentally unfair.

Case in point: I suggest to some members that attacking the administrator of another website might be counter productive, as we need to cooperate. I am told (correctly) that I should not suppress their views or expression thereof. In the meantime, said administrator ignores all overtures from our side and makes it clear I am persona pemanently non grata, and later, when my name is brought up again, that I had tried to 'unite' the two boards and when that failed, I had had a 'messianic meltdown'. Really, after I had gone all the way to Rome and shared my impressions with every one? OK. For the record, I already had permission for TWO passes to Cassazione and would have offered one to them since I needed a translator. Seeing how every thing with Bettina and Frank Sfarzo was handled, with the barest minimum of courtesy (and a lot of discourtesy) I shudder to think how that would have gone. I am glad I made it there on my own, and made my own arrangements. And for the record, I have no desire to 'unite' the boards, (or to write for them) as I know that will never happen. Too many hurt feelings, hubris and ego on all sides. And as for cooperation, that is for others to decide now, I am out of it.

I should also say this: many people on the two PMF's and TJMK wrote to me privately, saying they appreciated the 'different' perspective, but didn't want to say that for fear of ridicule. Many others, disagreed, said so, but just skipped over whatever they didn't agree with. Please, let's leave it at that, and if you don't agree with my beliefs, fine.

Yeah, I believe in reincarnation. But for the purposes of this board, my focus has been on the evidence, and will be kept this way.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:59 pm   Post subject: DOUGLAS PRESTON HAS A BOOK!   

New one out (Kindle format only) about us village 'haters' that want to burn Knox at the stake, etc. Trial By Fury: Internet Savagery and the Amanda Knox Case
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 4:39 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Many of us believe there is a spiritual and intangible element to life. Ergon you also manage to be a sharp observer to what is logical and grounded. Your arguments are factual and intuitive and appreciated. Your spirituality only adds another facet to the story that the reader can identify with or not. Most importantly it acknowledges the very bright and present spirit of Meredith.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:07 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

http://www.agi.it/cronaca/notizie/20130 ... _sollecito

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Meredith: border police investigations of Sollecito

The prosecutor of Perugia asked in recent days to 'Police Coordination Centre of Customs' which is located in Ponte Chiasso for verification of "telephone numbers" and "profitability 'the capacity' of the company which owns" Raffaele Sollecito. In the past months, Switzerland had granted a residence permit to the young man that will be 'tried again for the murder of Meredith Kercher after the Supreme Court overturned the decision of the second degree with which he had been acquitted. Sollecito had submitted an application to pursue activities' in Switzerland teller Experience in media and web management, recorded November 21, 2012 with registered office in Lugano, of which Sollecito figurerebbe as administrator.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 6:53 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Knox weighed her various suicide options.

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Google translation:
The girl is also dedicated to the composition of a list rather macabre, which takes into account all the possibilities for taking his own life in prison: the poisoning by bleaching, swallowing small fragments of glass or a broken pen, hanging or banging your head against the wall. He also specified that it would be more dignified to bleed to death.

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/ ... 9DCD7q_H9A


I had never considered that she went to this extreme to keep her family in compliance until now, but threatening suicide is a form of abuse or intimidation.

Is this the reason her family allegedly went bankrupt? And was it behind their decision to 'always keep a family member in Perugia''?


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 7:10 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

max wrote:
http://www.agi.it/cronaca/notizie/201304191802-cro-rt10316-meredith_accertamenti_polizia_confine_su_sollecito

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Meredith: border police investigations of Sollecito

The prosecutor of Perugia asked in recent days to 'Police Coordination Centre of Customs' which is located in Ponte Chiasso for verification of "telephone numbers" and "profitability 'the capacity' of the company which owns" Raffaele Sollecito. In the past months, Switzerland had granted a residence permit to the young man that will be 'tried again for the murder of Meredith Kercher after the Supreme Court overturned the decision of the second degree with which he had been acquitted. Sollecito had submitted an application to pursue activities' in Switzerland teller Experience in media and web management, recorded November 21, 2012 with registered office in Lugano, of which Sollecito figurerebbe as administrator.


You can run but you can't hide! Awesome (would love to know what drives it).
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 7:27 pm   Post subject: Is inappropriate behaviour a sign of guilt?   

Scott Lee Peterson (born October 24, 1972) is an American convicted of murdering his wife, Laci Peterson, and their unborn son in Modesto, California in 2002. Peterson's arrest and subsequent trial received significant American news media coverage until 2005, when he was sentenced to death by lethal injection. He remains on death row in San Quentin State Prison while his case is on appeal to the Supreme Court of California. He maintains his innocence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Peterson

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