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XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 - SEPT 29, 13

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 10:43 pm   Post subject: HOW DID KNOX MEET RUDY GUEDE?   

From the Daily Mail article about extracts published in The Sun: It's my vice

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‘Around our house marijuana was as common as pasta. We all chipped in. It was purely social.’


Did Knox purchase drugs from Rudy?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 1:27 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

A must-watch: a longer preview video of tomorrow's interview

Amanda Knox: ‘I’d Like to Be Reconsidered as a Person’ (video)

Headline after headline labeled Knox a sexual thrill-seeker, a seductress and a murderer.

In an exclusive interview, Knox told ABC News’ Diane Sawyer that while she’d heard the gist of the things circulated about her – “American temptress,” “she-devil with an angel face,” “heartless manipulator,” “concertante of sex” and “sphinx of Perugia” – they were all wrong.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 1:35 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

guermantes wrote:
A must-watch: a longer preview video of tomorrow's interview

Amanda Knox: ‘I’d Like to Be Reconsidered as a Person’ (video)

Headline after headline labeled Knox a sexual thrill-seeker, a seductress and a murderer.

In an exclusive interview, Knox told ABC News’ Diane Sawyer that while she’d heard the gist of the things circulated about her – “American temptress,” “she-devil with an angel face,” “heartless manipulator,” “concertante of sex” and “sphinx of Perugia” – they were all wrong.


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What in the world is she saying?
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“For all intents and purposes, I was a murderer — whether I was or not,” she said. “And I had to live with the idea that that would be my life.”
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 2:24 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

No mention of Raffaele Sollecito.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 2:49 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

max wrote:
What in the world is she saying?
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“For all intents and purposes, I was a murderer — whether I was or not,” she said. “And I had to live with the idea that that would be my life.”


Hi Max, we may never know what she really means when she says or writes something, as Napia said, it's all "as clear as mud."

I'm just guessing that she means she'll have to wear "the mask of a murderer", which she feared would be forced onto her skin, for the rest of her life, poor thing. You can hear the anger rising in her voice - the familiar kind we already witnessed when she was speaking about mean prosecutors in the courtroom.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 4:28 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Lots of reading ahead:

Amanda Knox: 'I have a life that I want to live' (there are several new photos of Knox)
(Scroll down to an article by Susan Page)

With another murder trial in Italy looming, the former exchange student recalls dark days in prison and thoughts of suicide while hoping that one day she'll visit her slain roommate's grave. :roll:

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In the Italian courts, Amanda Knox's case isn't closed
By Susan Page

Amanda Knox's murder conviction was reversed, but under Italian law she can -- and will -- be tried again.

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18 months after release: Amanda Knox's to-do list tu-))
By Susan Page

On her last night in an Italian prison, Amanda Knox wrote a wish list in her journal of what she'd like to do if the appeals court considering her case set her free.

USA TODAY

The paper outdoes itself today with three separate stories about Knox. But wait, there's even more!

Amanda Knox: On the record

Amanda Knox talks with USA TODAY's Susan Page about her new book, mourning Meredith and trying to cope.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 5:37 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Amanda Knox Opens Up In Exclusive Interview In Today's Editions Of USA TODAY

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 9:12 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

guermantes wrote:
max wrote:
What in the world is she saying?
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“For all intents and purposes, I was a murderer — whether I was or not,” she said. “And I had to live with the idea that that would be my life.”


Hi Max, we may never know what she really means when she says or writes something, as Napia said, it's all "as clear as mud."

I'm just guessing that she means she'll have to wear "the mask of a murderer", which she feared would be forced onto her skin, for the rest of her life, poor thing. You can hear the anger rising in her voice - the familiar kind we already witnessed when she was speaking about mean prosecutors in the courtroom.

She looks like Curt when she's angry.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 9:26 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Interesting take..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvyEQ4WVkN8
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 9:50 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Sooooo, I've read the links kindly posted by Ava and Guermantes as well as searching a few of my own and I've learned precisely nothing new about Amanda Knox. I'm yet to see or hear the name Raffaele Sollecito today but I'm sure he'll pop up somewhere at some point later on. He is a bit player in the Drama of Knox after all.

So far, I've learned that Knox puts out within hours, particularly in Italy (nothing fresh there); she likes to smoke weed (another newsflash); she doesn't like being called a murderer because its upsetting and doesn't fit with her "truth" (...); she gets anxiety attacks, some prison lesbians/guards fancied her and she's a simple studious girl who likes to hang with a small group of friends because she has trust issues these days :|

Did I miss anything? The paragraph above just saved you £15. You can thank me later. This book is revelationless yawnfest we imagined. This whole book is sold on Knox's looks and sexuality. Its not helping her cause at all. Unless she plans to confess/do a tassel dance on ABC later, there'll be nowt new in the interview either.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 9:58 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Cogne Homicide


The so-called Cogne case (known in Italian as caso Cogne) involved the death of three-year-old Samuele Lorenzi on 31 January 2002 while sleeping in his parents' bed in his family home in the mountain village of Cogne, in Aosta Valley, northern Italy. The cause of death was found to be a blow to the skull. The murder weapon has never been found.

In July 2004 an Italian court sentenced Samuele's mother Anna Maria Franzoni to 30 years in prison for aggravated murder. However, on 27 April 2007 the Corte d'Assise d'appello in Turin reduced the penalty to Franzoni to 16 years of jail for homicide. Franzoni always refuted the charge, asserting that an intruder had killed her child in the few minutes she left home to accompany her older son Davide, then-six years old, to the school bus station.

Details of the case

The crime scene presented various peculiarities. Doors and windows were closed and did not seem to have been forced. Nothing precious/no valuables was/were missing and there were no traces of strangers. Traces of blood were concentrated only in the master bedroom where the murder took place and there were none elsewhere. Neighbours did not notice anything unusual.

The victim, a three-year old child, was sleeping in his parents' bed and had not attempted to escape, suggesting that he probably knew his murderer.

Mrs Franzoni, Samuele's mother, testified she went out for a while, at 8 a.m. to accompany the elder son (Davide, aged 6) to the school bus stop, just a few hundred metres from home, leaving alone her youngest son. Back home a few minutes later, Franzoni claimed she found Samuele lying in the bed, covered by a comforter and gasping in a pool of blood.

The woman ran to the window to attract the attention of a neighbor, to which she shouted that "My baby's head has exploded", then called 113 (the Italian emergency telephone number) requesting assistance because "My child has vomited blood and stopped breathing."

Shortly after, neighbour psychiatrist Ada Satragni arrived on the scene. The doctor seemed to believe the absurd version of Mrs Franzoni that the child's skull had "exploded", stating that a cerebral aneurysm may actually increase the intracranial pressure, causing the explosion of bones. A few days later, Dr Satragni even released an interview in which she proposed that perhaps Samuele, aware of being home alone, had desperately burst into tears and that "The violent crying might have caused the opening of the head."

At the time, Dr Satragni devoted herself to washing the dying child and then carried him out, to front of the house, this, despite the cold weather and without any caution as regards protecting his head or neck. Another neighbour, Mrs Daniella F., noticed that, for the entire time, Mrs. Franzoni had remained motionless and silent, without saying anything or even trying to touch her son.

Upon arrival of the helicopter that would carry Samuele to the ER, neither Mrs Franzoni nor her husband (Stefano Lorenzi, surveyor, 31 years), who had been informed of the tragedy by phone, followed their child.

A few minutes later, the couple was told that the baby had died before reaching hospital. At this point, Mr. Lorenzi fell to the ground in panic, sobbing and screaming, while his wife began to ask him:

"Shall we have another baby? Will you help me to conceive another one? Then we will go away from here...."

Witnesses claimed that Mr. Lorenzi appeared annoyed and upset and did not answer. However, one year after Samuele's death, Mrs. Franzoni gave birth to another child, a boy named Gioele.
The following day, the couple was summoned by the police in Cogne and here Mrs. Franzoni started saying some bizarre words. As a matter of fact, the woman said to a policeman who tried to console her, "There are even mothers who kill their children, yes, there are ..." and shortly after said "You know, sir I do hope that [my son] has been killed." The policeman asked her to explain such an odd statement, but she quickly digressed.

The same day, again at the police station, Ms. Franzoni discussed things with her husband, arguing that the door was locked as usual, and nervously commenting: "The door was locked, I had locked it, and I know very well what I do or do not do". At this point, her husband suggested:

"Do not say so/this, baby, because this does/will not help you. " In fact, from that moment onwards Mrs. Franzoni said she did not lock the door before leaving and that it had never been her habit to do so either.

A couple of weeks later, Mrs Franzoni and her husband returned to Monteacuto Vallese, a small village near Bologna, hometown to Mrs Franzoni. Here, during a telephone conversation with a friend, the woman, referring to the death of Samuel, said: "I do not know what happened to me" and then immediately corrected herself "Ehm... I do not know what happened to him."

Franzoni, almost immediately, began releasing interviews to newspapers and TV programs, initially expressing desperation for the tragedy she faced, and later stating that she wanted "to be known", so that people would not think she was the kind of mother capable of killing her own child.

Soon after her child’s death, Mrs Franzoni released an interview to an Italian TV channel, Italia 1.

Despite her perfect make-up and smart dresses, she appeared upset and cried desperately, but, as soon as cameras went off, Franzoni quickly dried her tears and calmly asked to a journalist: “I cried too much, didn't I?”, and did not seem as sad as she pretended to be.


At the same time, Mrs. Franzoni, her husband and his family began to indicate several people living in Cogne as potential killers of their son.

At first Mrs. Franzoni pointed her finger at a young couple of friends, whose baby daughter had recently died after a premature birth; Franzoni alleged that the woman had told her "You should face the death of your son as well." the very evening before the murder.

Later, Franzoni changed her mind and accused the neighbour that first run to help her and Samuele on the morning of January 30, Mrs Daniella F.
She said that Daniella F., was "as bad as a witch" and "jealous of my family and my happiness," suggesting that Daniella F. used to "spy" on her and that she probably killed Samuele as an act of revenge, motivated by jealousy and envy.

Later Mrs Franzoni changed her version again and, during the summer of 2004, with her husband and her lawyer (Carlo Taormina, a former member of the Italian Chamber of Deputies) filed a lawsuit against another neighbour, a 35 year-old bachelor, named Ulisse G., brother-in-law of Mrs. Daniella F.

Mr and Mrs Franzoni-Lorenzi heavily slandered Ulisse G., describing him as a sexual maniac and arguing that Mrs Franzoni was terrified by him. This man, in fact, had a solid alibi.

Lawyer Taormina contradicted himself several times about the identity and possible motives of the murderer. Firstly, the prominent lawyer argued that the crime was dictated by "a sort of revenge against the victim's mother" and that the motive was of a "sexual nature", but later he claimed that the murderer was a voyeur who sneaked into Mrs Franzoni's house to rape her. Lawyer Taormina stated several times that he knew the name of the murderer and he was willing to reveal it, something that never happened.

As a matter of fact, it is almost sure that Samuele was beaten to death by his own mother in the early morning hours of January 30, 2002. The murder weapon was never found, despite extensive researches, but it is very likely that this was a houseold object, possibly an ornament. Medical examiner found several traces of copper around the wounds on the child's head and this suggests that the murder weapon was made of copper. The victim had suffered at least 17 shots, which devastated his forehead and face.

Police discovered that Mrs Franzoni a few hours before the murder, suffered from a serious panic attack, and felt so bad that she pushed her husband call the emergency doctor. It was not the first time that she faced panic attacks, but she had always minimized, denied having any problems.

According to the Police, Mrs Franzoni had a violent outburst against her son and beat him to death. Then she covered her wounded child with the comforter, hid her pajamas (completely drenched in blood and brain matter) between the sheets, washed, dressed normally and walked to school her eldest son.

Several close friend recalled that Mrs Franzoni seemed worried about the health of her second son because, according to her, "his head was too big and too hot".

Shortly after Samuele's birth, Mrs Franzoni faced post partum depression, separated from her husband and came back to her parents' home with her two babies. However, after a few months the couple had reconciled and by the time of the murder, they seemed to be happily married.

On 21 May 2008 the Supreme Court confirmed the decision of the Appeal Court and Anna Maria Franzoni was arrested. She is now in jail, facing a new trial for defamation against her neighbors. Her parents never phone or go and visit her in jail, her husband makes monthly visits with both sons, Davide and Gioele.

[she was sentences to 16 yrs, a reduced sentence because the court, despite her own denials of any mental problem, judged that she did have something wrong with her, so if the court had believed her, she would have had to stay in prison for the 30 years, through her refusal to admit to any psychological problems]

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Media exposure


Mrs Franzoni, from 2002 to 2008 - when she was finally jailed - took part in numerous TV shows: in such shows, Mrs Franzoni always appeared well dressed and made-up, aggressive in supporting her innocence.

On several occasions, Mrs Franzoni stated that the judges and the prosecutors unfairly persecuted her and that they knew she was innocent, but would never admit it nor would they seek out for the "real killer". Because of these allegations, Mrs. Franzoni was also charged and found guilty of defamation against the Chief Prosecutor of Aosta.

On December 2006, Franzoni wrote a short book entitled The Truth in which she once again protested innocent, describing her family life as incredibly perfect and unproblematic, presenting herself as a doting mother, a happy wife and a devoted catholic, surrounded by cruel and jealous neighbors. Curiously, Mrs Franzoni wrote she had no idea who could the murderer be and that she never blamed or accused anyone

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 10:23 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

lunasee wrote:



Welcome to PMF, Lunasee :) Thank you for the interesting video, let me put that up for you:






The BBC is stating Knox is "vowing to clear her name". I really have no idea how she's planning to do that since both she and her supporters have made it clear she's not going to attend her appeal and as such, take no part in the process herself. She sees her role now as the relatively safe one of PR. Just more nonsense.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 10:49 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

It has to be remembered, Knox has had over four years to think up and rehearse what she's going to say, plus four years worth of donations of sayings and excuses thought up for her by her family members and small hoard of supporters. It's now clear that she is incorporating some of the latter into her repertoire. These are excuses that were never part of her original story stories. For example, the cartwheels. The idea that a mysterious (as in, unidentified) young policeman asked Knox to do the yoga and cartwheels whilst at the police station was first put out via the media by Chris Mellas, an excuse which now she too is giving in her book. But, it was only a mere couple of weeks or so after this declaration by Chris Mellas that Knox took the stand and this was her explanation for the cartwheels in court:


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AK: ...that Meredith had had her throat slit, and at that point I became a bit...uh
[sigh]...I closed myself off a bit inside...I cried a bit because I kept thinking
but...how is it possible? No...[slightly desperate laugh], it was too
much, so [sigh, voice trembling], and then, we went to the Questura.

LG: To the Questura. After the Questura...there followed all these phases,
you were heard, then they took photographs, and you did cartwheels and splits?
Are those things true? How did they happen? And where did they happen?

AK: So, on that first day, I didn't do those things, I was always talking with
the police, but...uh...in the following days, but also...in general, I'm
a person who kind of, when I feel in difficulty, I kind of try to "lighten
up" [in English, asks interpreter; silence, lawyer says "non lo so", "I don't
know", the interpreter then suggests "to relax"], to relax the situation,
it was too heavy, really everything was really, really heavy, so somehow I
had to...uh [sigh] I don't know, it's an outlet, it's a way of, for me it
was a way of...

LG: We heard that you did some free-climbing, yoga...

AK: Yes, right, often people tell me "You're really flexible, how do you manage
to do that?" and I say yes, I do yoga and gymnastics.


AMANDA KNOX TRIAL TESTIMONY, FRIDAY, JUNE 12, 2009. AUDIO #6

No mention of any unidentified policeman asking her to show him what she could do. That's because this policeman was a pure fiction, but has suddenly become useful again for Knox's PR.

Knox was always the gift that kept giving, because her supporters would come out with all manner of excuses for her and then Knox would contradict them entirely by stating or writing something completely different. That was one of the biggest problems for the Knox campaign. It would seem now that Marriott and her various other PR gurus, have initiated some form of co-ordination between the excuses invented by Knox's supporters and those offered by Knox. There's only one problem with that...the damage has already been done...

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Moves on: nor all thy Piety nor Wit
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all thy Tears wash out a Word of it

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 10:51 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

I like that Michael.

I enjoy the way they turned the events into a satiric play, through art, short n sweet and clear.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 11:39 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

It would also seem that now, Knox has gone back to the old alibi of where she claimed she was reading Harry Potter aloud in German to Sollecito and watching Amelie during the murder. There are two major problems with this of course. Sollecito has no memory of the Harry Potter reading and so it never (and still doesn't) figured in his version of events and the Amelie watching was proven in the court room beyond all doubt, to have been finished LONG before 8:42 pm and so does not come even close to fitting the time frame of the murder. By their own testimony and that of Sollecito's father (along with phone and computer records), the events were established to have occurred in the following order:

Knox & Sollecito watched Amelie >>> Sollecito then cooked and they ate dinner after Amelie had finished >>> then Sollecito washed up at which point he had a major leak under his sink >>> at precisely 8:42 pm Sollecito's father calls him on his mobile phone where Raffaele complains about the leak he's just had when washing up.

It is clear that Amelie was watched and finished a relatively long time before 8:42 pm and at a time that renders it useless as any form of alibi.

The interesting facet of their alibis (alibis plural) is that they tally with each of the other perfectly (aside from Sollecito's initial claims that Knox left him before 9 pm) for the period before and leading up to the time frame for Meredith's murder. It is only when we get to that time frame that their alibis suddenly completely diverge from that of the other and do not tally on a single detail. Raffaele claims to have spent the whole evening on the computer until he went to bed (not supported by his computer or ISP records) whilst Amanda claims they did a whole different set of things together the whole evening with not a mention of computers for that period.

There are no innocent explanations for this.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 11:50 am   Post subject: INTERVIEW TIME   

Diane Sawyer interview

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Murder. Mystery. Amanda Knox Speaks - A Diane Sawyer Exclusive
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Amanda Knox discusses the Italian murder trial that resulted in her conviction, her time in a foreign prison, and her acquittal four years later.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 12:05 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Prediction: Knox is going to request that she takes part in her appeal via video link from Seattle.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 12:37 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Michael wrote:
Prediction: Knox is going to request that she takes part in her appeal via video link from Seattle.

I think that is the most logical. She might also show up for the first sessions and return to the US before the verdict. Will they be imprisoned after the next appeal court finds them guilty or only after the last SC appeal? I got confused when Hellmann just let them go :(
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 12:41 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

max wrote:
Michael wrote:
Prediction: Knox is going to request that she takes part in her appeal via video link from Seattle.

I think that is the most logical. She might also show up for the first sessions and return to the US before the verdict. Will they be imprisoned after the next appeal court finds them guilty or only after the last SC appeal? I got confused when Hellmann just let them go :(


Hi Max. After the SC appeal that'll be. Unless, that is, Sollecito for example, does something incredibly stupid beforehand.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 12:46 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Michael wrote:
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Michael wrote:
Prediction: Knox is going to request that she takes part in her appeal via video link from Seattle.

I think that is the most logical. She might also show up for the first sessions and return to the US before the verdict. Will they be imprisoned after the next appeal court finds them guilty or only after the last SC appeal? I got confused when Hellmann just let them go :(

Hi Max. After the SC appeal that'll be. Unless, that is, Sollecito for example, does something incredibly stupid beforehand.

Thanks Michael. So she could just come over for the appeal trial and go back to the US. No big deal then. Maybe she just doesn't feel very comfortable in Perugia :)
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 12:55 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Warm thoughts and much respect to the Kerchers today. Your strength and dignity have truly been incredible.
I hope something, anything, big or small, lightens your burden in some way today.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 1:02 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Michael wrote:
Prediction: Knox is going to request that she takes part in her appeal via video link from Seattle.



Cannot see any court accepting such a thing, like on some kind of Freelancer BASIS, like no official anything at all her end, I think this is used, within the setting of a person already confined (imprisoned), to save a country money, the Italians are hardly going to accept her wish in relation to this, considering her vile disrespectful accusatory behaviour up until now, it was always her on trial, not (the entire world and) Italy, no it was her and is her and Sollecito, so the idea she'd be sat there on a video connection, her entire bunch of finger sticking at you friends, is something I cannot see being realised.


There has to be some kind of official element, or otherwise just attend court like a good, innocent little girl would.


Can you imagine her being asked questions and someone like Bremner swearing in the background about Mignini and whatever else.
Maybe someone goes nuts and smashed up the camera. Sorry that was my dad, he got pissed, literally, he had 10 pints with lunch, his nerves are shattered, see what you Italians did to him!!!

Knox: I love Italy, we all do but look what you all did to us, we forgive you. Now let us proceed with my version trial.

Ain't going to happen, she attends, or she stays away.

The above person, the Cogne Homicide, the superior court judges saw what she did with the media as a grave implication of her guilt and it was seem n as such a serious thing because it basically robbed them of the opportunity to carry out the law, yes, if they'd have let themselves be fooled by it, and tha'ts the reason I have posted it as it is directly related to what Knox and Sollecito are up to and what it may lead to, as they are not going to be seen as mentally ill, so their sentences are not going to be reduced, rather, they will be INCREASED.

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I think and hope that the Kercher family does not pay any attention to the US media circus. It is already crazy enough that the US media is parading a girl accused of murder on national TV pending trial. Crazy if you think about it.

Then the articles go from Knox dancing at the crime scene, from she wants to visit the grave with the Kercher family. And oh, she wants them to read her book. The freakin arrogance! Then some stupid reporter even contacts the Kercher family and asks if they will read the book. Of course not!

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Ms Kercher’s brother Lyle told the Standard he had “no interest” in reading Knox’s book. He said: “Without speaking for the rest of the family, I don’t have any interest in reading it, nor any of the books written about Meredith’s death and the case.”

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Good on Lyle Max,

I feel the same way, the only book I have, and I'm proud of buying it, and I can say I do not purchase a lot of books, is the one by Meredith's father, and I know that it will so break my heart to read it, it is still sat there waiting, like something holy, to be touched, yes that's how I feel. I bought it as support and I will read it, but when I do, I want to read it through in one go, and be able to stand it, if I'm not feeling too well myself then it is, I thought, too much to take, as I identify with him, and if I were him, I don't know I could stand to live any more. But then he has others who love and care about him and so he has to keep on keeping on whether he is shattered to pieces or not.

And I know the poor man definitely is shattered, his youngest, the baby of the family, how terrible, but it would be just as bad, no matter who it was, young, old, woman, man.

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This suicide line they are using, well like people having lesbian relationships or sex in jail, is nothing out of the ordinary, are they saying nobody in prison feels like committing suicide? Whaaaaaaaaaat, so many do, every, and people do act it out too.

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zorba wrote:
Good on Lylke Max,

I feel the same way, the only book I have, and I'm proud of buying it, and I can say I do not purchase a lot of books, is the one by Meredith's father, and I know that it will so break my heart to read it, it is still sat there waiting, like something holy, to be touched, yes that's how I feel. I bought it as support and I will read it, but when I do, I want to read it through in one go, and be able to stand it, if I'm not feling too wel myself then it is, I thought, too much to take, as I identify with him, and if I were him, I don't know I could stand to live any more. But then he has others who love and care about him and so he has to keep on keepng on whether he is shattered to p ieces oir not.

And I know the poor man definitely is shattered, is youngesat, the baby of the family, how terrible, but it would be just as bad, no matter who it was, young, old, woman, man.


Hi, Zorba. John Kercher's book about his beautiful daughter, Meredith, is a tough read at times. So sad, and senseless is their loss. But, IMO, John Kercher received a small measure of comfort in the writing. So many people who knew Meredith, who had met her and were touch by her in some way, shared their stories with him, and learning these things about his daughter seemed to help in some small way. To her family certainly, and to her friends, she was truly a gift.
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Amanda Knox Calls Italian Supreme Court Ruling 'Incredibly Painful'
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Everything is just so painful for Amanda:
"I felt like after crawling through a field of barbed wire and finally reaching what I thought was the end, it just turned out that it was the horizon," Knox said. "And I had another field of barbed wire that I had ahead of me to crawl through."

But:
"Knox said she is ready to fight again.
"If there needs to be a re-evaluation of looking into the facts, that's fine," she said. "Because facts are facts and I'm not afraid of them."
...
"It's not fair that there is not a satisfactory answer for what happened to Meredith, and the attention that's been taken away from her and what happened to her is not fair," Knox said."
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 2:35 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

daisysteiner wrote:
Sooooo, I've read the links kindly posted by Ava and Guermantes as well as searching a few of my own and I've learned precisely nothing new about Amanda Knox. I'm yet to see or hear the name Raffaele Sollecito today but I'm sure he'll pop up somewhere at some point later on. He is a bit player in the Drama of Knox after all.

So far, I've learned that Knox puts out within hours, particularly in Italy (nothing fresh there); she likes to smoke weed (another newsflash); she doesn't like being called a murderer because its upsetting and doesn't fit with her "truth" (...); she gets anxiety attacks, some prison lesbians/guards fancied her and she's a simple studious girl who likes to hang with a small group of friends because she has trust issues these days :|

Did I miss anything? The paragraph above just saved you £15. You can thank me later. This book is revelationless yawnfest we imagined. This whole book is sold on Knox's looks and sexuality. Its not helping her cause at all. Unless she plans to confess/do a tassel dance on ABC later, there'll be nowt new in the interview either.


Thanks daisy. Seems not as many questionable/contradictory statements as RS. Still, how boring. Just a book for the semi-faithful and backers.
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Sadly, there is a pool of angst ridden Sylvia Plath wannabes who want to believe their problems with being misunderstood are always The Other Person's Fault. Suggestion: 'Borrow' the book through Amazon Prime (first month free) so you can see for yourself how Sylvia Plath, she ain't. Then decide if you want to plonk down $18 USD for it.
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Ergon wrote:
Sadly, there is a pool of angst ridden Sylvia Plath wannabes who want to believe their problems with being misunderstood are always The Other Person's Fault. Suggestion: 'Borrow' the book through Amazon Prime (first month free) so you can see for yourself how Sylvia Plath, she ain't. Then decide if you want to plonk down $18 USD for it.


The subject of Sylvia Plath brings me to a question. My take on poor Ms. Plath is that she internalized her feelings of depression, hopelessness, powerlessness and possibly another form of mental illness, such as BPD, and this internalization ultimately brought her to the point of ending her own life. What, I wonder, would have happened, had she expressed all of this rage outwardly instead of putting her own head in an oven?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 4:13 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

I wasn't being flippant about the real problem of depression, Napia5. But to answer your question, I think the world's changed a lot since Sylvia Plath's time. There was no real help then, and so everyone internalized their issues. Now, the pendulum's gone the other way, and we're encouraged to 'let it all out'. Hence the culture of anger, and literature from the legions of the 'wronged'.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 4:24 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

For our German-speaking members: excerpts from Knox's book in the WOMAN

Amanda Knox Autobiographie Leseproben

What she wrote about the morning after the murder is mind-boggling. Lies, lies, lies, transparent lies - no mention of the "bathmat boogie", by the way, in these few excerpts.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 4:27 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

The TODAY video:

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Ergon wrote:
I wasn't being flippant about the real problem of depression, Napia5. But to answer your question, I think the world's changed a lot since Sylvia Plath's time. There was no real help then, and so everyone internalized their issues. Now, the pendulum's gone the other way, and we're encouraged to 'let it all out'. Hence the culture of anger, and literature from the legions of the 'wronged'.


OMG, Ergon. Where do you think I implied that you were being flippant? My question was serious. I know more than one young woman who empathized with the Bell Jar. Some of them, too closely, IMO. My own opinion is that Sylvia Plath suffered from more than one form of mental illness. Internalized anger, hopelessness, and of course, fear. At a low point, hopelessness and powerlessness were the two emotions that surfaced, and she took her own life. But rage and fear were in attendance also. To simplify my question: What could have happened if, at her low point, rage had won the battle? Would Syliva, or anyone for that matter, then EXTERNALIZE and explode outward, rather than implode?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 4:50 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Snippets from the book translated into English:

The two pea-sized spots of blood in the sink of the bathroom that Meredith and I shared did not worry me too much. On the tap was a further smeared spot. Strange. I scratched with a fingernail on the droplets. They were dry. Meredith must have cut herself.
It was only when I came out of the shower that I noticed a reddish brown blob about the size of an orange on the bath mat. More blood. Meredith had probably got her period? But how had the blood then passed into the sink? My confusion grew. Usually we were so clean.
...
I quickly grabbed my purse and my coat and even thought about the mop, which I had promised to bring. In haste, I put the key into the lock and forced myself to turn it before I walked down the driveway. My heart was pounding so hard that it hurt.
.....
It can not be so bad, I thought. I am no longer in the house. Nothing has happened. I'm safe. No one is in danger. First, I called Filomena. To my relief, she picked up.
"Hi, Amanda," she said. "Ciao. I'm calling because our front door was open this morning, when I came from Raffaele. In one bathroom I found a few drops of blood and in the other feces in the toilet. Do you know something about it? "" What do you mean? "She asked. Her voice was instantly on high alert. "I was not there last night - I was at Marco - and Laura is in Rome on business. Have you talked to Meredith? "" No, I tried to reach you first."
....
When we reached the house ten minutes later, my stomach was in knots. 'And if someone was in there?' I was ever more fearful. Raffaele held my free hand while I unlocked the door. "Is anyone there?", I shouted.
At first everything seemed to be fine. The house was silent, and the kitchen was spotless. I stuck my head in Laura's room. There, too, everything was apparently fine. Then I opened Filomenas door and gasped. The window had been smashed, and glass was everywhere. Clothes piled up on the bed and the floor. The drawers and cabinets were open. I just saw a mess. "Oh God, we've had a break-in," I gasped. Raffaele was standing right behind me. Immediately afterwards I discovered Filomenas laptop and digital camera on the desktop. I could not understand it. "That's really weird," I said. "Her things are there. I do not get it. What may have happened here? "
...
Meredith's door was still locked, as during my previous stay in the house. "Meredith," I cried. She did not answer. Whether she spent the night at Giacomo's? Or at one of her English friends? At that moment the broken window in Filomena's room troubled me more than Meredith's locked door."


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 5:10 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

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So, why didn't she try to call Meredith first, before calling Filomena?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 5:14 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Thanks, Guermantes.

From Guermantes' quote:

Guermantes quoting the article wrote:
The two pea-sized spots of blood in the sink of the bathroom that Meredith and I shared did not worry me too much. On the tap was a further smeared spot. Strange. I scratched with a fingernail on the droplets. They were dry. Meredith must have cut herself.
It was only when I came out of the shower that I noticed a reddish brown blob about the size of an orange on the bath mat. More blood. Meredith has probably got her period? But how has the blood then passed into the sink? My confusion grew. Usually we were so clean.


Here Knox confirms once again what I've always argued...Knox and Sollecito did not realise that they had left an actual footprint on the mat, in blood, they thought they had simply smeared it with some blood. This was why they didn't bother to get rid of the mat and simply left it/gave it a quick rinse. Knox is very descriptive of how the stain appeared to her. Never once does she give the impression in this or any other of her descriptions of the stain on the mat, that it appeared to her as a footprint. Neither does Sollecito.

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So, why didn't she try to call Meredith first, before calling Filomena?


She did. But she didn't tell Filomena that.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 5:21 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Guermantes quoting The Woman wrote:
Meredith's door was still locked, as during my previous stay in the house. "Meredith," I cried. She did not answer. Whether she spent the night at Giacomo's? Or at one of her English friends? At that moment the broken window in Filomena's room troubled me more than Meredith's locked door."


Knox knew Meredith hadn't stayed the night at Giacomo's since a) the boys downstairs had already told her they were all going home for the holidays and b) Knox had already, according to her in her statements, been downstairs and knocked on the boys' door.

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Social media and gossip site comments are brutal towards Amanda. Glad to see it.
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brmull is a long-time member of Perugia Murder File, (@ .ORG) who was recently forced to withdraw from commenting on the case due to pressures brought upon his family by ex-FBI agent, Steve Moore and his wife, Michelle. He even withdrew an article about the case he'd written for news site Gather.Com. Now I've already reported how it seems that Steve Moore has often traded on his FBI experience to not only defend Amanda Knox, but also, run background checks on many people on his enemy's list. The conduit for that was of course his friend, Bruce Fischer of the pro-Amanda Innocence Anywhere web site. They reported with glee when reports surfaced of a problem that brmull had many years ago, for which he had already received help, then posted the public records here in an effort to intimidate him. They also kept threatening to report his perfectly legal activities to his licensing commission, thus threatening his livelihood. And now, they're celebrating with pictures of his withdrawal with this shameful picture on their open Amanda Knox discussion thread. Source:

Enough, I say. I have long stated that we should argue the case, and not personalities, a fact increasingly difficult when Amanda Knox's side consistently takes the low road. Should I check with my relatives, generals in the Pakistani security services, about Moore's rather sketchy record as compared to his overblown descriptions in his book? Should I post whatever I can dig up about Knox stepfather Chris Mellas's arrest record, if any? The man has a hot temper, doesn't he? Yet I believe this would be beneath me. A pity that Amanda Knox's supporters can't say the same. Here's one of them, that I reported back in August: Source:

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Apparently, he does 'play for keeps'.


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One of the men shouted, "Sangue! Dio mio! "-" Blood! My God!" Filomena sobbed hysterically. It sounded wild, animalistic. "Everybody out of the house!" thundered the policeman. "Immediately!" They called for reinforcements.

Raffaele grabbed my hands and pulled me to the front door. I did not look into Meredith's room. While I was sitting outside on the front steps, I heard someone shout, "Armadio" - "wardrobe". They have found one foot in the closet, I thought. Then:"Corpo" - "A body." A body in the closet, and a foot sticks out? The words did not make sense. "Meredith! Meredith! O God," Filomena complained repeatedly. "Meredith! Oh, God!"

My mind was working in slow motion. I could neither speak nor scream, but only kept saying silently to myself: "What is going on? What's going on?" Only in the course of the next few days I rhymed the pieces together what Filomena and the others had seen from the open door - a naked, blue discolored foot sticking out from under Meredith's quilt, blood spatter on the walls, streaks of blood on the floor.
But at that moment, as I sat outside our villa, I had in my head an image of a faceless body, which had been stuffed into the closet, with one foot sticking out. I had heard horrible words, but they did not make sense.

Maybe that was the reason why Filomena was crying and I was not. In this brief moment she had seen enough, to grasp the terrible impact of these events. For me there was only confusion and words and - later - many questions about Meredith and her life in Perugia. I could not say anything about how devastated her body had looked.


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And what about "Her throat had been slit" and "She f****** bled to death", Amanda?
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Astrology of Amanda Knox First Interview ;)

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Kercher family 'won't read Amanda Knox book'

Meredith Kercher's sister on Tuesday said she and her family will not read the book Amanda Knox wrote on her experience being tried for her murder. "We're not interested in this book, just like we weren't interested in the others about the case, and we won't read it," said Stephanie Kercher. 'Waiting to be Heard' is the book Knox wrote on her experience of the Italian justice system, which was released Tuesday.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 6:35 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

She still doesn't come across as a nice person, you can see the barbs under the words. Guess that's just her personality.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 7:24 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Diane Sawyer speaking about her interview with Knox on the VIEW:

Amanda Knox Recalls Painful Appeals Court Ruling (video)

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What was your reaction when you heard -- Supreme Court decision it was incredibly painful. I felt like after crawling through a field of barbed wire and finally reaching what I thought was the end and it just turned out that it was the horizon. And I had another field of barbed wire that I had ahead of me to crawl through.

So that was Amanda Knox from my colleague Diane Sawyer's interview discussing what would happen if she has to go back as the Supreme Court has ruled against, you know today I just want to -- got a ton tonight. I -- mistake at 10 o'clock and you going to be watching.

-- -- -- -- -- -- -- Yeah he did it she does and should -- emailed me let you know they're trying to -- in the -- I thought somebody was already convicted of -- one -- well there is someone who --- His DNA was at the crime scene -- his DNA.

Is there are all over her body. And inside her. And it is a man who was there -- in Perugia and there is no trace of Amanda Knox's DNA.

Inside -- crimes -- so how did that happen what was going on. And was -- proof beyond a reasonable doubt that she was there and what have they ever really -- Italy maybe not well it isn't -- it's a -- different in very different system we're gonna show you how she wandered into this very different system might just wanna say that every minute we're doing this interview we're thinking about the family, right. Of this young woman that was killed.

I was on my guys I mean I just you know -- her parents made so many sacrifices. Coming back and forth -- to say about her parents. And their sacrifices -- every week they came to Italy 6000 miles to visit her.

They mortgaged everything --- to be there with her even if they couldn't -- -- they wanted her to know they believed in her and they were very nearby. Ask quick question time because you said something insisting about.

People and young people especially looking at their web sites -- wanted to -- that. Because at what point she raises a real cautionary question which is look at your web site. And imagine somebody wants to use it to prosecute you.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 7:52 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Barbie Latza Nadeau's short review of Knox's Memoir in the Daily Beast:

Revealed: The Softer Side of Amanda Knox
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Amanda Knox’s new memoir doesn’t offer any new confessions or clues to her roommate’s murder. But it does show a gentler, more sympathetic side to the ‘she-devil’ seen in the tabloids.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 7:57 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Perugia Is Sick and Tired of Talking About Amanda Knox

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Meredith Kercher's family has 'no interest' in Amanda Knox book
The family of murdered British student Meredith Kercher have said they have "no interest" in the book by her American room-mate Amanda Knox and no intention of reading it.

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Stephanie Kercher, the sister of the victim, released a statement in Italian through the family's lawyers Francesco Maresca and Serena Perna in Italy late on Tuesday after excerpts of Miss Knox's first US TV interview were released to publicise the release of her book, Waiting to Be Heard.

"We are not interested in this book just like so many others about the case and we will not read it," Stephanie Kercher said. She also stressed that Miss Knox could be found guilty by a fresh trial due to begin in Florence later this year.

"The Italian legal system still has an appeal procedure under way and so the case is returning to a new court hearing. The sentence can still be overturned," Stephanie Kercher said.

"I have no doubts that on the other side there is a story of pain and loss and enormous mistrust but in the end it is also one of hope and the opportunity to live life.

“Something Meredith will never have and something we can never share with her. Meredith is the victim in this tragic case."



Miss Knox has urged Kercher's parents to take her to their murdered daughter's grave, asking that she be "reconsidered as a person" after her release from prison.

Speaking as her long-awaited memoir on being jailed for the 2007 killing in Italy was published, the 25-year-old Knox made a tearful appeal for "closure" from John and Arline Kercher.

"The ideal situation in my mind is that they could show me Meredith's grave," she told USA Today. "I wasn't allowed to grieve, either, and that would mean a lot to me".

"I really want to go see her grave," repeated Miss Knox, who spent four years in prison before being acquitted. "And right now I don't feel I have the right to without her family's permission."



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 9:39 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

guermantes wrote:
Barbie Latza Nadeau's short review of Knox's Memoir in the Daily Beast:

Revealed: The Softer Side of Amanda Knox
Apr 30, 2013 1:56 PM EDT

Amanda Knox’s new memoir doesn’t offer any new confessions or clues to her roommate’s murder. But it does show a gentler, more sympathetic side to the ‘she-devil’ seen in the tabloids.

THE DAILY BEAST



When Barbie Nadeau comes out with stuff like this, I really question her levels of gullibility, does she really believe a word of anything written by Knox?

I don't.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 9:47 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

In my opinion Knox is a completely sick bitch.

Go to see Meredith's grave? My arse.

The brazen audacity.

It is so blatantly obvious how shallow and fake this positioning is, her out of synch-ness, cannot be hidden, she just cannot get it right, trying to sound like she gives a shit, makes it very clear she does not.

Who in their right mind would ask parents about stuff like this in the situation where all of Meredith's true, real friends have revealed exactly how Knox was, and how she behaved?

And what with the horrible things she did, like falsely accuse Patrick, as if Meredíths parents would want someone like that anywhere near them or Meredith, isn't murder enough?

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 10:02 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

zorba wrote:
guermantes wrote:
Barbie Latza Nadeau's short review of Knox's Memoir in the Daily Beast:

Revealed: The Softer Side of Amanda Knox
Apr 30, 2013 1:56 PM EDT

Amanda Knox’s new memoir doesn’t offer any new confessions or clues to her roommate’s murder. But it does show a gentler, more sympathetic side to the ‘she-devil’ seen in the tabloids.

THE DAILY BEAST



When Barbie Nadeau comes out with stuff like this, I really question her levels of gullibility, does she really believe a word of anything written by Knox?

I don't.


I was surprised by some of Barbie's comments. It's a self-evident truth that killers tell lies and feign emotions. There was a BBC article about killers who have cried crocodile tears:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7288543.stm
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brmull is a long-time member of Perugia Murder File, (@ .ORG) who was recently forced to withdraw from commenting on the case due to pressures brought upon his family by ex-FBI agent, Steve Moore and his wife, Michelle. He even withdrew an article about the case he'd written for news site Gather.Com. Now I've already reported how it seems that Steve Moore has often traded on his FBI experience to not only defend Amanda Knox, but also, run background checks on many people on his enemy's list. The conduit for that was of course his friend, Bruce Fischer of the pro-Amanda Innocence Anywhere web site. They reported with glee when reports surfaced of a problem that brmull had many years ago, for which he had already received help, then posted the public records here in an effort to intimidate him. They also kept threatening to report his perfectly legal activities to his licensing commission, thus threatening his livelihood. And now, they're celebrating with pictures of his withdrawal with this shameful picture on their open Amanda Knox discussion thread. Source:

Enough, I say. I have long stated that we should argue the case, and not personalities, a fact increasingly difficult when Amanda Knox's side consistently takes the low road. Should I check with my relatives, generals in the Pakistani security services, about Moore's rather sketchy record as compared to his overblown descriptions in his book? Should I post whatever I can dig up about Knox stepfather Chris Mellas's arrest record, if any? The man has a hot temper, doesn't he? Yet I believe this would be beneath me. A pity that Amanda Knox's supporters can't say the same. Here's one of them, that I reported back in August: Source:

Clive Wismayer Post subject: Re: brmull outing Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 12:13 pm

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Steve Moore plays for keeps and these idiots at PMF don't know which way is up.


Apparently, he does 'play for keeps'.



Yes, they went after BRMull because he was vulnerable, much in the same way Amanda Knox went after Meredith Kercher because she, for different reasons, was also vulnerable. These people are all like each other and that's why they all support each other. They are kindred spirits, so to speak and show it at every turn. Like gravitates toward like.

Steve and Michelle Moore have been abusing the formers past history as an FBI agent, using it as a license bully. Moreover, they have actively been using their daughter, almost like a chess piece, in order to try and score points and gag their detractors. This is reprehensible.

I thank BRMull for all the work he has done for Meredith and the truth and wish him the best, he deserves it. I also want to express my hope that he is able to stand up to these bullies and their calculated attempts at chilling effects by targeting his family. And he should know that he has the full support of PMF. If the Moores don't care for that, then they can come after ME.


Oh, and ah yes, Clive Wismayer...

I hear that over on IIP he has been calling us evil. I'm glad he raised the subject of "evil", let's take a little closer look at him. A concerned citizen sent me this earlier:

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Our friend Clive it seems is a scrape on the legal barrel below an ambulance chaser. He defends (or defended as he was unsuccessful and the business closed) subprime lenders who give money for car log books to vulnerable people. An example in one site was the company would lend £3k and expect £13k paid back with more than one story about a car being taken from a drive where there was no legal right. The business was investigated by the Office of Fair Trading, found seriously lacking and eventually closed. You guys probably know this and it is related to absolutely nothing but it does show what a hypocrite Wismayer is. Preying on the vulnerable and supporting businesses that do is inexcusable. Another classy little gem in the Knox defenders club, she must be so proud.

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/fo ... id=3278087

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One or two people have asked me to consider my words, so as not to risk the wrath of the FOAKers. So I shall. From the above, it is clear that Clive Wismayer is the lowest of the low shit house rat of a lawyer who specialises in representing the blood sucking scum of society. His manner of participation and who he has affiliated himself with in this case up to now has served only to cement further his status as pond scum. I would say to clive to rethink the wisdom of throwing stones while living in a house made of glass!

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 10:13 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Italy's court of public opinion finds Amanda Knox guilty
Josephine McKenna, Special for USA TODAY 5:57 p.m. EDT April 30, 2013
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/worl ... s/2124693/

"Another journalist who covered Knox's trial had a mixed reaction to how she described her experiences in her new book.

"Mostly it seems like just more sanitized spin, although a few passages about coping in prison did reflect a more introspective side than most have seen," said Andrea Vogt, an Italy-based journalist who covered the trials for the Seattle Post-Intelligencer.

"I think some of her prison allegations warrant further investigation by authorities, but on the hard case facts, there were some discrepancies that contradict the existing case records," Vogt added."
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 10:14 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Michael wrote:
Meredith Kercher's family has 'no interest' in Amanda Knox book
The family of murdered British student Meredith Kercher have said they have "no interest" in the book by her American room-mate Amanda Knox and no intention of reading it.

By Josephine McKenna in Rome and Jon Swaine in New York

8:44PM BST 30 Apr 2013



Stephanie Kercher, the sister of the victim, released a statement in Italian through the family's lawyers Francesco Maresca and Serena Perna in Italy late on Tuesday after excerpts of Miss Knox's first US TV interview were released to publicise the release of her book, Waiting to Be Heard.

"We are not interested in this book just like so many others about the case and we will not read it," Stephanie Kercher said. She also stressed that Miss Knox could be found guilty by a fresh trial due to begin in Florence later this year.

"The Italian legal system still has an appeal procedure under way and so the case is returning to a new court hearing. The sentence can still be overturned," Stephanie Kercher said.

"I have no doubts that on the other side there is a story of pain and loss and enormous mistrust but in the end it is also one of hope and the opportunity to live life.

“Something Meredith will never have and something we can never share with her. Meredith is the victim in this tragic case."



Miss Knox has urged Kercher's parents to take her to their murdered daughter's grave, asking that she be "reconsidered as a person" after her release from prison.

Speaking as her long-awaited memoir on being jailed for the 2007 killing in Italy was published, the 25-year-old Knox made a tearful appeal for "closure" from John and Arline Kercher.

"The ideal situation in my mind is that they could show me Meredith's grave," she told USA Today. "I wasn't allowed to grieve, either, and that would mean a lot to me".

"I really want to go see her grave," repeated Miss Knox, who spent four years in prison before being acquitted. "And right now I don't feel I have the right to without her family's permission."



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The contrast between the elegant, reserved Kercher family and the unrepentant, brazen Knox couldn't be any more clear. I hope she's picked up on an interpol warrant if she goes near that grave.

I'm playing catchup with the PR for Knox's book, apologies if this interview with Nina Burleigh has been posted. She calls the book 'boring' and 'underwhelming', with no new revelations. The shills can't even make it shine.
http://video.msnbc.msn.com/weekends-wit ... 3#51694343

If anyone is interested in NovelRank/Amazon listings.
Hardcopy is at #35. http://www.novelrank.com/asin/0062217208
Kindle is at #110. http://www.novelrank.com/asin/B00AHCPXKS

Meh, I'm sick of this already. This is all noise compared to what's about to take place in Florence.
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I also want to wish BMull well.
What an unbelievable low!
If Steve Moore really did use the resources of the FBI to gain leverage over him with respect to his medical license, I hope he's brought to justice.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 10:20 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

louiehaha wrote:
I'm playing catchup with the PR for Knox's book, apologies if this interview with Nina Burleigh has been posted. She calls the book 'boring' and 'underwhelming', with no new revelations. The shills can't even make it shine.


Well, you can't polish a turd.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 10:22 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

louiehaha wrote:
I also want to wish BMull well.
What an unbelievable low!
If Steve Moore really did use the resources of the FBI to gain leverage over him with respect to his medical license, I hope he's brought to justice.


They did more then that. They even went to BRMull's family with their threats.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 10:39 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Napia5 wrote:
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I wasn't being flippant about the real problem of depression, Napia5. But to answer your question, I think the world's changed a lot since Sylvia Plath's time. There was no real help then, and so everyone internalized their issues. Now, the pendulum's gone the other way, and we're encouraged to 'let it all out'. Hence the culture of anger, and literature from the legions of the 'wronged'.


OMG, Ergon. Where do you think I implied that you were being flippant? My question was serious. I know more than one young woman who empathized with the Bell Jar. Some of them, too closely, IMO. My own opinion is that Sylvia Plath suffered from more than one form of mental illness. Internalized anger, hopelessness, and of course, fear. At a low point, hopelessness and powerlessness were the two emotions that surfaced, and she took her own life. But rage and fear were in attendance also. To simplify my question: What could have happened if, at her low point, rage had won the battle? Would Syliva, or anyone for that matter, then EXTERNALIZE and explode outward, rather than implode?


Sorry, Napia5. I started badly. I know you didn't imply that, but phrased my answer according to the many threads that ran in my head when you asked that very good question. I, too, have known many people, men and women, who internalized their pain to the point they took their own life, and so was trying to separate that from my previous comment about the numbers of 'angsty' young people who might be a market for Knox's book.

Yes, the amount of rage a person might feel could end in them hurting others. My comment also referred to the many more women involved in violent crime and incarcerated for that. Yes, they do have mental health issues. Something that did not happen as often in Sylvia Plath's time. Then, men externalized, and women, internalized, and now it almost seems the other way.

This brings us to the broader question about the increasing numbers of angry young people nowadays. From Sandy Hook to the Boston Bombers to Amanda Knox, we keep trying to understand them. And speaking of the case, how many times do we have to see the anger Amanda Knox still feels towards Meredith, towards the Kerchers? The one thing i observed about her right from the beginning, was the deep layers of rage within her. Where did that come from?
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Michael wrote:
louiehaha wrote:
I also want to wish BMull well.
What an unbelievable low!
If Steve Moore really did use the resources of the FBI to gain leverage over him with respect to his medical license, I hope he's brought to justice.


They did more then that. They even went to BRMull's family with their threats.


I wish I had the link where michellesings was counseling some minor about the likelihood that he had an STD.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 11:09 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Louiehaha wrote:
The contrast between the elegant, reserved Kercher family and the unrepentant, brazen Knox couldn't be any more clear. I hope she's picked up on an interpol warrant if she goes near that grave.


Absolutely. But, don't worry. Knox's talk of going to Meredith's grave is just so much more vapid insincere bullshit, just like her talk of staying in Perugia because she "wanted to help the police", or her talk of turning to God in prison or her talk of wanting to help unfairly imprisoned women was. She says whatever she thinks will earn her brownie points at the time. Although, this latest about wanting to go to Meredith's grave is the most offensive of all so far.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 11:32 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Ergon wrote:
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Ergon wrote:
I wasn't being flippant about the real problem of depression, Napia5. But to answer your question, I think the world's changed a lot since Sylvia Plath's time. There was no real help then, and so everyone internalized their issues. Now, the pendulum's gone the other way, and we're encouraged to 'let it all out'. Hence the culture of anger, and literature from the legions of the 'wronged'.


OMG, Ergon. Where do you think I implied that you were being flippant? My question was serious. I know more than one young woman who empathized with the Bell Jar. Some of them, too closely, IMO. My own opinion is that Sylvia Plath suffered from more than one form of mental illness. Internalized anger, hopelessness, and of course, fear. At a low point, hopelessness and powerlessness were the two emotions that surfaced, and she took her own life. But rage and fear were in attendance also. To simplify my question: What could have happened if, at her low point, rage had won the battle? Would Syliva, or anyone for that matter, then EXTERNALIZE and explode outward, rather than implode?


Sorry, Napia5. I started badly. I know you didn't imply that, but phrased my answer according to the many threads that ran in my head when you asked that very good question. I, too, have known many people, men and women, who internalized their pain to the point they took their own life, and so was trying to separate that from my previous comment about the numbers of 'angsty' young people who might be a market for Knox's book.

Yes, the amount of rage a person might feel could end in them hurting others. My comment also referred to the many more women involved in violent crime and incarcerated for that. Yes, they do have mental health issues. Something that did not happen as often in Sylvia Plath's time. Then, men externalized, and women, internalized, and now it almost seems the other way.

This brings us to the broader question about the increasing numbers of angry young people nowadays. From Sandy Hook to the Boston Bombers to Amanda Knox, we keep trying to understand them. And speaking of the case, how many times do we have to see the anger Amanda Knox still feels towards Meredith, towards the Kerchers? The one thing i observed about her right from the beginning, was the deep layers of rage within her. Where did that come from?


Yes to this. We are on the same page.

After watching the commercial last night, I have decided to listen to the interview first, without watching.
The reason for this is the fact that I was only into the clip about 10 seconds and I was already shaking my head at Knox's reactions. When Diane Sawyer said Sphynx of Perugia, Knox gave a slight, wry smile. WTH? Boom. If it had been me, I'd either be off-my-seat pissed off, or I'd puddle up like a scolded puppy over a comment that I was insisting PUT and HELD me in prison for four years. But, that's me. I have been told, over and over again by Groupies to stop projecting MY reactions onto others. Some people don't react like I would. So, OK, to be as fair as I can be under the circumstances, I am going to remove my visual perception from the interview first time around and just listen. I do intend to watch later, but I want to see for myself if I am allowing her behavior to influence me to any great degree.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 11:37 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Amanda Knox: I went to jail naive and came out an introspective woman

US student tried for Meredith Kercher murder uses TV interview to restate innocence and ask to be 'reconsidered as a person'

The Guardian, Tuesday 30 April 2013 20.42 BST


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 11:41 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

louiehaha wrote:
I also want to wish BMull well.
What an unbelievable low!
If Steve Moore really did use the resources of the FBI to gain leverage over him with respect to his medical license, I hope he's brought to justice.


I wish you well BMull. I had no idea what low life's these people are. Like I said before...'I am amazed how many sociopathic types surrounded Amanda.
This could only mean your contributions were awesome, thus frightening to team Amanda. Sending warmth.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 11:53 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

From the above Guardian article:

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When it comes to describing the events of Kercher's brutal murder, Knox turns, in the words of one reviewer, to "minutely detailed efforts … to act as her own defence lawyer". The murder investigation is described as a Kafkaesque nightmare of interrogations, misunderstandings, confusions, bewildering accusations, slaps to the back of the head and what she insists was a false confession. "After I signed it, everyone mercifully stopped questioning me, but my mind wouldn't rest."


Yes, they did, they were done with you. You were now a formal suspect and they were not permitted to question you any further. But, then you demanded to be heard AGAIN because you wished to make a voluntary statement and you used that to accuse Patrick a SECOND time and formalise your accusations against him, didn't you, Amanda?! And then let's not forget the next morning when you wrote your memoriale, whilst not being questioned, where you accused Patrick for a THIRD time and handed it to the police!

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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 12:07 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Again, from the Guardian article:

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Her years in prison are described almost as a coming-of-age drama, in which she becomes reflective, writes a diary and resolves never again to crack under pressure. As the author writes, in a note at the end of the book: "I went in a naive, quirky 20-year-old and came out a mature, introspective woman."


Sure, Amanda, this is the "mature, introspective woman" you were when you came out, here on the anniversary of Meredith's murder:



Kmox is confusing being "introspective" with being self obsessed.

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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 12:14 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

And for tonight, I'll leave the fitting last word to a friend of the Kercher family:

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"It's important to us that Meredith isn't forgotten, not only because of the amazing girl she was but also because there are many questions yet to be answered about her death, and the judicial process is still ongoing.

"Mez had a hugely promising life that was cruelly taken from her, seemingly without reason, so we owe it to her to make sure that she remains the centre of her story until those answers are found
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 12:32 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Is it over yet? Any word about Guede? You know, the guy that killed her 'friend'. She must be really mad at him. How is it possible he said he heard her voice and saw her running away that night when she was at her boyfriend's apartment? I guess she won't be asked any questions about that and her lawyers have probably advised her not to speak about it.
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 12:50 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

I heard Diane on The View today saying Guede's DNA was all over Meredith and Amanda's was not at the "scene". Don't expect much and you won't be disappointed. I didn't watch the whole thing but will only tune in tonight for tell tell signs of Knox being dishonest or playing her rehearsed role.
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 2:42 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Hi everybody, I'm not watching the interview tonight. We no longer have a TV in our home (thank God for that.) I'm on Twitter, following reactions, and they are overwhelmingly negative!

Here's a selection of recent tweets:

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Amanda Knox defintely has something wrong in her head


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Amanda Knox is a crazy as hell! Full stop


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How do you see blood and not act instinctively?


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Watching the Amanda Knox interview. She sounds G.U.I.L.T.Y.


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Watching this interview with Amanda Knox and I don't believe her not one bit


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Amanda Knox isn't doing much for herself in the interview...


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Watching Amanda Knox speak and she seems cold and detached. No emotions


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Does anyone else think she looks like a sociopathic liar


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You may be deemed innocent but you're still incredibly unlikeable so shut up.


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Sorry #amandaknox, I am not buying it. You seem cold & calculated. I think you're capable of murder.
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 3:13 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

I just finished watching. Hmm. Will write up tomorrow.
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 4:09 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

I listened only for the first 20 minutes, then watched the rest of the show. I'm almost ashamed to admit it, but I was bored. The sound of her voice was very unsettling, somehow. Especially in the beginning. It sounded like something that I couldn't quite put my finger on. Creaky, like one of the Grudge movies.

I think people unfamiliar with the case who were watching were probably confused by the whole interview. The highlight would have been the minute to minute discussion of the evidence that Sawyer said followed the program, but I gave up trying to find it. More tomorrow.
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 4:14 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

THE LEAD with Jake Tapper

What Amanda Knox left out of her book

In the case of any memoir, there is a lot of selective memory and internal editing, said Barbie Latza Nadeau, author of "Angel Face: Sex, Murder and the Inside Story of Amanda Knox." Nadeau is the Rome bureau chief for "Newsweek" and "The Daily Beast," and followed the Knox case from the very beginning.

"She really glossed over the night of the murder. For example, she's got an alibi that she had together with her former boyfriend Raffaele Sollecito," said Nadeau. "What she failed to do ... in the book, was to really explain to the readers why they didn't have an alibi that was congruent the night they were interrogated."

"Their stories changed several times in the course of the initial interrogations, but she chose to stick to the alibi that they settled on," said Nadeau.

Knox and her family waged an aggressive publicity campaign in the U.S., giving Americans the impression that Knox was an innocent young woman who was the victim of a ravenous Italian media system.

Nadeau covered the trial extensively, attending hearings, and reading the legal documents in Italian.

"I felt that there was a lot of information that was lost in translation," said Nadeau.

Knox' public relations firm capitalized on that information gap, and were "very willing" to do the translations for the American media, leaving out some of the details, said Nadeau.


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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 4:32 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Murder Mystery: Amanda Knox Speaks

By Nikki Battiste

Knox talked about Kercher as well as her legal ordeal in an exclusive interview with ABC's Diane Sawyer. Her recall of those years has moments of regret, anger and sadness. Also among her emotions are warm thoughts of Kercher and empathy for her family.

"I want them to know," Knox said, getting emotional, "their grief has my every respect, has the respect of my family, and we just don't want to... we don't want to invade their life and their grief."

"And I really want them to understand that my need for justice for myself is not in contradiction with theirs," she said.

Knox recalled her short time, a mere six weeks, with Kercher, who was also studying in Perugia.

"She talked about how she wanted to be a journalist like her dad. And she talked about her sister. And if that's all I can give them is this memory that I have of her to add to... all of theirs that they can carry with them when she's gone."

Knox paused at that point and added, "[I hope] that eventually I can have their permission to pay respects at her grave."


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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 5:25 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

On accusing an innocent person:

ABC News contacted experts around the country who state it is documented that coerced and false confessions happen frequently, but less frequent is naming an innocent bystander.

Famed defense lawyer Alan Dershowitz agrees people do sometimes falsely confess, but "what I rarely found in my experience is innocent people pointing the finger at another innocent person, saying I didn't do it, but I was there, he did it. That's very rare, for an innocent person."


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Another Knox-ism:

"I felt assassinated as if I were being sealed in a tomb. And the tomb was my life, it wasn't prison."

Okay, let's see, the tomb was her life. All we need to do is substitute "my life" for "tomb". As a result, we get:

"I felt assassinated as if I were being sealed in my life."

Don't worry if this makes no sense to you, she herself probably doesn't truly understand what she's saying.
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 5:58 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Amanda Knox's First Interview: 'I Could Have Been More Sensitive'

The hour-long special seemed haphazard and incomplete in many ways, no doubt because ABC is trying to squeeze multiple iterations out of their Knox exclusive. Tuesday's Nightline will be devoted to the case.

Knox will give her first live interview Wednesday on Good Morning America.

And, still more of the interview will be featured Wednesday on World News Tonight.

Including the pre-interview teases, ABC will have featured Knox no less than six times in three days.


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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 6:36 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

More video clips - the Knox-Sawyer interview.

Amanda Knox Finally Speaks in Interview With Diane Sawyer (VIDEO)
By Ben Teitelbaum, Nina Strochlic

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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 9:01 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

It's backfiring because now through this fake presenting and positioning, people are seeing just how contrived her actions are, and people are reacting to that with negative comments, like, she is a liar, I think she did it, etc, I don't believe her, etc, she is weird, etc, I don't like her, etc.

I think only a murderer in these circumstances, the ones they (brand K&S) are in, would have the brazen-faced audacity to come out with: I want to visit her grave...

even if one did (because of being truly innocent and feeling real feelings, which nobody, I think, in their right mind believes about Knox), really, anyone with any sense would never say that, knowing what the family think of her, and with an ongoing case; it is simply too creepy for words, even in death not leaving Meredith alone.

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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 9:54 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

zorba wrote:
It's backfiring because now through this fake presenting and positioning, people are seeing just how contrived her actions are, and people are reacting to that with negative comments, like, she is a liar, I think she did it, etc, I don't believe her, etc, she is weird, etc, I don't like her, etc.

I thunk only a murderer in these circumstances, the ones they are in, would have the brazen-faced audacity to come out with: I want to visit her grave...

even if one did (because of being truly innocent and feeling real feelings which nobody in their right mind believes, I think, about Knox), really, anyone with any sense would never say that, knowing what the family think of her, and with an ongoing case; it is simply too creepy for words, even in death not leaving Meredith alone


Watched half an hour of the interview whilst stuck in traffic this morning. Good old iphones! I'm waiting for 24 hours for the Eyes for Lies write up. I'm certainly not one of the 50 people identified by the CIA as being a human lie detector BUT I almost cheered when Knox denied murdering Meredith. Her mouth said one thing but her face, her demeanor and, considering the grief I've given Ergon over the more esoteric of his views, Knox's "vibe" was well off. She might as well have confessed, it was the worst denial I've ever seen, like my nephew denying he's nicked a biscuit when you know damn well he did it - same facial expression. It was rehearsed to the Nth degree or it was a straight out lie. Knox couldn't give a straight answer to a straight question with a gun to her head. You start to understand why she got a smack to the head in the police station, if they didn't hit her then I imagine they felt like it. I felt like it watching this morning and I wasn't responsible for a murder investigation.

I've just looked at Twitter too and if I were Amanda, I wouldn't be too pleased.

It will be an icy day in hell before Knox is warmly welcomed to a Croyden graveyard. In fact, it might be an idea to keep out of the UK. She's about as popular as a pork pie at a Bar Mitzvah around here.
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 9:54 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Knox body language is all ok. No worries. Move along folks. But wait a minute.... they show a clip and I actually see Knox nodding when she is asked if she killed Meredith and if she was there. Ouch.

http://www.kxly.com/news/spokane-news/a ... index.html
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 10:55 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

daisysteiner wrote:
zorba wrote:
It's backfiring because now through this fake presenting and positioning, people are seeing just how contrived her actions are, and people are reacting to that with negative comments, like, she is a liar, I think she did it, etc, I don't believe her, etc, she is weird, etc, I don't like her, etc.

I thunk only a murderer in these circumstances, the ones they are in, would have the brazen-faced audacity to come out with: I want to visit her grave...

even if one did (because of being truly innocent and feeling real feelings which nobody in their right mind believes, I think, about Knox), really, anyone with any sense would never say that, knowing what the family think of her, and with an ongoing case; it is simply too creepy for words, even in death not leaving Meredith alone



Watched half an hour of the interview whilst stuck in traffic this morning. Good old iphones! I'm waiting for 24 hours for the Eyes for Lies write up. I'm certainly not one of the 50 people identified by the CIA as being a human lie detector BUT I almost cheered when Knox denied murdering Meredith. Her mouth said one thing but her face, her demeanor and, considering the grief I've given Ergon over the more esoteric of his views, Knox's "vibe" was well off. She might as well have confessed, it was the worst denial I've ever seen, like my nephew denying he's nicked a biscuit when you know damn well he did it - same facial expression. It was rehearsed to the Nth degree or it was a straight out lie. Knox couldn't give a straight answer to a straight question with a gun to her head. You start to understand why she got a smack to the head in the police station, if they didn't hit her then I imagine they felt like it. I felt like it watching this morning and I wasn't responsible for a murder investigation.

I've just looked at Twitter too and if I were Amanda, I wouldn't be too pleased.

It will be an icy day in hell before Knox is warmly welcomed to a Croydon graveyard. In fact, it might be an idea to keep out of the UK. She's about as popular as a pork pie at a Bar Mitzvah around here.



Hi Daisy,

Well me having my morning cuppa (coffee) was taken by surprise, ambushed, because I loath listening to that voice, and there she was on the bloody BBC News.

As one does in panic, rushing, and where it takes longer to do a thing through your haste, wanting to quickly switch it off with the remote, I took longer than I would have done had I just reached for it without panic, so now it took 2 seconds instead of 1.

But, before I could OFF her outta my space,
an interviewer, not visible,
asked...

(like as if a killer is suddenly going to f-ing admit it on telly, for some insane reason, after accusing every dog, cat, mouse, flea, person, whoever, and denying it, like, who is going to deny it when asked)

... DID you do it.

Now the way Knox replied was frightening,
it was not how someone would reply if innocent,

she sounded aggressive, but aggressive in the way I imagine she was the night Meredith was murdered,

because one simply cannot banish all of that out of one's system if one did actually LIVE it,
it's then in you.
And you can ponce about hiding and contriving but it comes out even when you are doing your best to falsify everything.

Her writing, well, it reads like some poorly contrived attempt at fiction thing, but, what she forgets,

is she is NOT a Hollywood film star,

ABC invested in her,

that's why they were there in Perugia babysitting,

that's why I also never have believed the family got out of pocket,
nope,
I think ABC sponsored everything,
signed and sealed,
giving them exclusive rights,
and they are trying to milk their cash cow, but the milk is as sour as vinegar.

I think ABC paid for all of the expenses,
whether directly,
or a part deal,
part expenses paid or and cash/money deposited onto certain bank accounts, through deals made.

You are so brave, and others here, who can stomach listening to her.

So I had the sound off and observed her face, even then it looked very awful, her eyes doing the bit where she tried to look sincere but she cannot hold the gaze more than 1 and a half seconds at a time, and she turns her lips, squints her eyes, AND MORE, like a really terrible WOULD-BE actress auditioning for a 9th rate SOAP SHOWN ON AFTERNOON TV ON THE ADVERTISING CHANNEL.

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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 10:56 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

max wrote:
Knox body language is all ok. No worries. Move along folks. But wait a minute.... they show a clip and I actually see Knox nodding when she is asked if she killed Meredith and if she was there. Ouch.

http://www.kxly.com/news/spokane-news/a ... index.html


Call me weird if you like but nodding whilst denying murder is not a good look. A fact that did not go unnoticed by those watching and tweeting, or indeed commenting under newspaper articles.
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 11:15 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

daisysteiner wrote:
max wrote:
Knox body language is all ok. No worries. Move along folks. But wait a minute.... they show a clip and I actually see Knox nodding when she is asked if she killed Meredith and if she was there. Ouch.

http://www.kxly.com/news/spokane-news/a ... index.html


Call me weird if you like but nodding whilst denying murder is not a good look. A fact that did not go unnoticed by those watching and tweeting, or indeed commenting under newspaper articles.


Oh just wait, I'm sure the Groupies will loudly protest that it's just a North West 'quirkism', that Seattleites often nod when they actually mean no and vice versa!

Sort of like Vicar of Dibley. "N...n...n...n...n...n...n...n...n..n....yes!"

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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 11:16 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Just popped up on BBC

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22351375

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A primetime television interview and a new book have put Amanda Knox's experience of prison life in Italy back under the spotlight. But do these accounts tally with what she said at the time?

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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 11:23 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Well, Knox has had her high point now. She's had her headline premier interview and her book launched. I hope she's made the most of it. It's all doooownhill from here on Rollercoaster Knox.

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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 11:35 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

DoctorRadias wrote:
Just popped up on BBC

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22351375

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A primetime television interview and a new book have put Amanda Knox's experience of prison life in Italy back under the spotlight. But do these accounts tally with what she said at the time?


Thanks for that article. Nailed her! I especially like this they got from one of her letters (and we actually had the screenshot of it here):

Quote:
Both accounts also refer to the devastating but erroneous news from the prison doctor that she had tested positive for HIV, although her diary presents a more relaxed person at this point. "First of all, the guy told me not to worry, it could be a mistake, they're going to take a second test next week."


This wasn't done in the callous, incompetent or even deliberately calculated way it has been painted in recent articles and Knox's book.

Although, I disagree with the BBC when they say it was erroneous that she had tested positive for HIV. The first test came back positive. She therefore was not erroneously told that she had tested positive.

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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 11:37 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Was this about it? I fell asleep :)

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/video/amanda ... w-19069363
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/video/amanda ... a-19079153
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/video/amanda ... n-19079702
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 11:38 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

I like this too:

BBC wrote:
In her memoir, she describes in detail the morning that she put that accusation in writing, and says the prison guard told her to write it down fast. Yet in a letter to her lawyers she gives no hint of being rushed or pressured. "I tried writing what I could remember for the police, because I've always been better at thinking when I was writing. They gave me time to do this. In this message I wrote about my doubts, my questions and what I knew to be true."




But, especially this:

BBC wrote:
With a new trial set in Florence in the coming year, a few key passages of "Waiting to be Heard" will most likely be heard once again, in an Italian courtroom.


Great article from Andrea Vogt!

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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 11:38 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

daisysteiner wrote:
max wrote:
Knox body language is all ok. No worries. Move along folks. But wait a minute.... they show a clip and I actually see Knox nodding when she is asked if she killed Meredith and if she was there. Ouch.

http://www.kxly.com/news/spokane-news/a ... index.html


Call me weird if you like but nodding whilst denying murder is not a good look. A fact that did not go unnoticed by those watching and tweeting, or indeed commenting under newspaper articles.



Liars know that blinking is not good so they overcompensate and open there eyes wide during the big lies.This involuntary facial movement happens . The eyebrows raise and the forehead wrinkles. Check out when she denies the murder but especially when she denies being in the house!! Eyes are wide open and her forehead is a mass of wrinkles. Same thing happened at the precise moment Sollecito lied about his drug use on Porto Grado.
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 11:48 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

And this is REALLY interesting:

BBC wrote:
In 2008 and 2009, she was visited by two embassy officials at a time, six times. Ambassador David Thorne, whose name appears at the bottom of cables in August, November and December of 2009, is the brother- in-law of US Secretary of State John Kerry (at that time chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee).

If the diplomats knew anything of the "harrowing prison hell" Knox was going through (as one paper put it), they are keeping those reports under wraps. Neither Kerry nor any other prominent US politician has made any public complaints. Even today, her Italian lawyers maintain she was not mistreated.


And (if he's still in office) it's John Kerry that will have to approve Knox's extradition to Italy. It will be tough for him to refuse it citing grounds that Knox was treated unfairly since that would be tantamount to his saying his own brother-in-law was neglectful or/and incompetent in his oversight of her case. This doesn't look good for Knox!

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Not a word about Guede. A few shots, but not a word from Knox. Weird. My guess, it is on advice by her lawyers. Guede specifically mentioned Knox. Even more so than Sollecito. He heard her voice and saw her running away. What could Knox have said about that? Too difficult. No questions please.
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max wrote:
Not a word about Guede. A few shots, but not a word from Knox. Weird. My guess, it is on advice by her lawyers. Guede specifically mentioned Knox. Even more so than Sollecito. He heard her voice and saw her running away. What could Knox have said about that? Too difficult. No questions please.


Yep. The silence is deafening, isn't it? Not even her saying that at least Meredith's killer has been brought to justice and is behind bars, something you'd think she'd care about if she really cared about Meredith and the Kerchers and Meredith was her friend like she has claimed.

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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 12:18 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

From Andrea Vogt's article for the BBC, it appears that ambassador David Thorne visited her three times? Wow. (Ambassador Thorne is Senator John Kerry's brother in law)
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Ergon wrote:
From Andrea Vogt's article for the BBC, it appears that ambassador David Thorne visited her three times? Wow. (Ambassador Thorne is Senator John Kerry's brother in law)


Yes, and that only covers the period 2007 - 2009.

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DoctorRadias wrote:
Just popped up on BBC

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22351375

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A primetime television interview and a new book have put Amanda Knox's experience of prison life in Italy back under the spotlight. But do these accounts tally with what she said at the time?



Its now 10 in BBC's "most Read" :D
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 1:07 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Andrea Vogt will be releasing the full embassy cables today.
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zorba wrote:
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zorba wrote:
It's backfiring because now through this fake presenting and positioning, people are seeing just how contrived her actions are, and people are reacting to that with negative comments, like, she is a liar, I think she did it, etc, I don't believe her, etc, she is weird, etc, I don't like her, etc.

I thunk only a murderer in these circumstances, the ones they are in, would have the brazen-faced audacity to come out with: I want to visit her grave...

even if one did (because of being truly innocent and feeling real feelings which nobody in their right mind believes, I think, about Knox), really, anyone with any sense would never say that, knowing what the family think of her, and with an ongoing case; it is simply too creepy for words, even in death not leaving Meredith alone



Watched half an hour of the interview whilst stuck in traffic this morning. Good old iphones! I'm waiting for 24 hours for the Eyes for Lies write up. I'm certainly not one of the 50 people identified by the CIA as being a human lie detector BUT I almost cheered when Knox denied murdering Meredith. Her mouth said one thing but her face, her demeanor and, considering the grief I've given Ergon over the more esoteric of his views, Knox's "vibe" was well off. She might as well have confessed, it was the worst denial I've ever seen, like my nephew denying he's nicked a biscuit when you know damn well he did it - same facial expression. It was rehearsed to the Nth degree or it was a straight out lie. Knox couldn't give a straight answer to a straight question with a gun to her head. You start to understand why she got a smack to the head in the police station, if they didn't hit her then I imagine they felt like it. I felt like it watching this morning and I wasn't responsible for a murder investigation.

I've just looked at Twitter too and if I were Amanda, I wouldn't be too pleased.

It will be an icy day in hell before Knox is warmly welcomed to a Croydon graveyard. In fact, it might be an idea to keep out of the UK. She's about as popular as a pork pie at a Bar Mitzvah around here.



Hi Daisy,

Well me having my morning cuppa (coffee) was taken by surprise, ambushed, because I loath listening to that voice, and there she was on the bloody BBC News.

As one does in panic, rushing, and where it takes longer to do a thing through your haste, wanting to quickly switch it off with the remote, I took longer than I would have done had I just reached for it without panic, so now it took 2 seconds instead of 1.

But, before I could OFF her outta my space,
an interviewer, not visible,
asked...

(like as if a killer is suddenly going to f-ing admit it on telly, for some insane reason, after accusing every dog, cat, mouse, flea, person, whoever, and denying it, like, who is going to deny it when asked)

... DID you do it.

Now the way Knox replied was frightening,
it was not how someone would reply if innocent,

she sounded aggressive, but aggressive in the way I imagine she was the night Meredith was murdered,

because one simply cannot banish all of that out of one's system if one did actually LIVE it,
it's then in you.
And you can ponce about hiding and contriving but it comes out even when you are doing your best to falsify everything.

Her writing, well, it reads like some poorly contrived attempt at fiction thing, but, what she forgets,

is she is NOT a Hollywood film star,

ABC invested in her,

that's why they were there in Perugia babysitting,

that's why I also never have believed the family got out of pocket,
nope,
I think ABC sponsored everything,
signed and sealed,
giving them exclusive rights,
and they are trying to milk their cash cow, but the milk is as sour as vinegar.

I think ABC paid for all of the expenses,
whether directly,
or a part deal,
part expenses paid or and cash/money deposited onto certain bank accounts, through deals made.

You are so brave, and others here, who can stomach listening to her.

So I had the sound off and observed her face, even then it looked very awful, her eyes doing the bit where she tried to look sincere but she cannot hold the gaze more than 1 and a half seconds at a time, and she turns her lips, squints her eyes, AND MORE, like a really terrible WOULD-BE actress auditioning for a 9th rate SOAP SHOWN ON AFTERNOON TV ON THE ADVERTISING CHANNEL.



Well her voice isn't something that bothers me as I've never really heard it before (Been waiting to hear it....I'll get my coat). I totally agree that this has all been bought and paid for by ABC months if not years before. No comments open on ABC articles and very few US articles in general with comments open. Instead the Guardian readers are turning along with the BBC and Huff Po it seems.

The sun is in the sky, I've just eaten my body weight in Greek salad and everyone thinks Knox is a killer after hearing her "truth". Not a bad day all in all. I hope justice for Meredith comes soon. My love and thoughts are with the Kerchers who just want this to go away. All of it particularly the media circus. They want Knox and Sollecito behind bars so they can get on with their quiet unassuming lives and grieve for Meredith. Knox didn't think of that though, its all about her wailing at the grave site and fuck what Meredith's family think.
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Pictures of the GMA show:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ds-newsxml

Book excerpt/first 20 pages of the book:
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/book-excerpt- ... d=19078584
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Astrology of Amanda Knox First Interview ;)

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Seems to make sense, guermantes...didn't go well for Amanda but pretty well for abc.
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Thanks, max.
I think she still feels the financial burden. AK (crying): "...I was tired of them [my family] having to sacrifice everything for me..."
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Michael wrote:
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From Andrea Vogt's article for the BBC, it appears that ambassador David Thorne visited her three times? Wow. (Ambassador Thorne is Senator John Kerry's brother in law)


Yes, and that only covers the period 2007 - 2009.


Ah... there's that connection. So either brother didn't do his job properly or AK is a lying you-know-what. Guess which? Tough for Kerry if he is still in office at extradition time.
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"ABC News contacted experts around the country who state it is documented that coerced and false confessions happen frequently, but less frequent is naming an innocent bystander. "

question is WHY? an Italian police conspiracy against Knox and Lumumba?

.... one other thing. There were multiple witnesses of a BLAZING ROW between Knox and Meredith Kercher, shortly before Meredith Kercher was killed. That was in the apartment of the "boys downstairs". All documented here. I think it was about the cleaning rota.
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I thought that Sawyer herself did a fair job in the interview. She seemed confused, or puzzled at moments and she did ask some direct questions. But, in terms of 'selling the brand' it was a total fail, at least as far as the negative comments seem to indicate. ABC tried to introduce the 'quirky' angle with Knox and her sister on a swing set, jumping off together. Too little, too late, IMO. A stiff, slow to respond, almost emotionless woman giving an interview, and then a flash of a moment of staged fun felt so set-up, it was hard not to shake my head.

I didn't expect to come away from the interview, convinced with any new facts that she and Raffaele are innocent.
The evidence is in, it's there, and it's not going anywhere. I was more interested in Diane Sawyer, and whether or not she would fawn and pity, and lead America to unite with a flag-waving gesture, angered and protective toward one of our own. This did not happen. And Sawyer gets a nod for her treatment of the Kercher family. Ending with pictures of them, and commenting that they are 'waiting to be heard', Sawyer seemed truly sympathetic.

So, overall, as far as the interview is concerned, Sawyer herself gets a pass. ABC producers, for presenting an an interview that felt as stiff and plastic as the slipcovers over the sofa in my grandmother's parlor, get a fail. Knox's handlers as well. As for Knox, I believe the interview hurt her, at least in terms of public opinion. And, the questions are going to get even tougher. This interview was a lobbed softball.
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Softball is a good analogy. She at best foul tipped a ball... if not just striking out.
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I really want to see Meredith's grave: Amanda Knox

May 2, 2013 - 12:01AM

Susan Page

Five years after her roommate was brutally murdered, Amanda Knox recalls her darkest days in prison and the desperate search for some kind of closure.


BRISBANE TIMES


AN IMPISH SIDE
Her quirky manner and delicate beauty was one reason Amanda Knox initially drew the suspicion of Italian law-enforcement officials. Her photogenic face, catnip for the paparazzi, helped ignite feverish coverage of her arrest and trial. The author of one of the dozen books about her case wrote that she bore "an uncanny resemblance to Perugia's Madonna". Shoulder-length brown hair frames her oval face. She has blue eyes and a wide grin, though she flashes it less often than she once did.

An impish side still occasionally breaks through. During a photo-taking session at a local park, she tries to loosen her staged pose using advice a photographer friend once gave her. "Squirm!" she shouts at herself, jumping and wiggling, then settling with a smile at the camera.

During an extended sit-down interview, though, she is contained, serious and still. She pauses to ponder questions and audibly exhales in relief when she finishes an answer. She responds directly even at times when her lawyers (who weren't present) might have preferred a dodge.

Will she return to Italy for her retrial?

"My lawyers have said that I don't have to and that I don't need to. I'm still considering it, to be honest," she replies. She has been turning it over in her mind since the court decision. "It's scary, the thought. But it's also important for me to say, 'This is not just happening far away from and doesn't matter to me.' So, somehow, I feel it's important for me to convey that. And if my presence is what is necessary to convey that, then I'll go."

She added that she wanted to understand the legal risks before making a decision. Now her lawyer, Carlo Dalla Vedova, has announced that Knox won't return to Italy for it.

Her legal future is full of uncertainty. The Italian high court has another two months before it's required to release a decision explaining its ruling. The justices' reasoning will help shape the retrial at an appeals court in Florence. That verdict, for conviction or acquittal, could be appealed again to the high court.

In her worst-case scenario - if the appeals court convicts her, and the high court upholds that conviction - Italy could seek her extradition from the United States to finish her 26-year prison term, set by the trial court in 2009.

The negotiations over that might become a diplomatic and legal showdown that breaks ground in transnational law. "National boundaries are counting much less today as we travel more, so we're going to see more of this," Harvard Law professor Alan Dershowitz says. "But we haven't seen a case like this" before.

For Knox, concerns about a conviction are, naturally, more personal.

"There's always a possibility, is my understanding of the way it works, just because there are human failings in a justice system," she says. "I would hope that, should that ever happen - and I don't think it will - people would still believe in me no matter what a legal system says when it's wrong. That would be my hope. I don't know if it would mean they would take me back to prison. I don't know." She pauses.

"I sincerely hope not, and I have a life that I want to live, I want to have the right to live. And I guess the one thing that I can say is, I've already confronted in my mind the thought that I would never leave prison."...

WHAT DO YOU DO?'
These days, one of Knox's favourite hangouts is a tea house near her apartment in the funky International District in downtown Seattle, on the ground floor of the historic Panama Hotel, opened in 1910. On this afternoon, the proprietor, Jan Johnson, has brought out some snapshots that show the empty space before it had been converted into a brick-lined retreat for tea and espresso.

Knox is admiring the pictures when Johnson notices the reporter and photographer trailing her. "What do you do?" she asks with friendly curiosity. Knox, accustomed to encountering strangers who know altogether too much about her, seems surprised at the anonymity. "I'm a writer," she finally replies, smiling.

At the same time, though, teenagers at a table are elbowing one another and pointing at Knox. A girl snaps a photo on her mobile phone, then shows her friends, giggling.

Knox often wears glasses, in part because she became increasingly near-sighted in prison and in part because it makes her less recognisable. When she returned to classes at the University of Washington, to her discomfort some students would take her picture in class and post it on Twitter; that rarely happens any more. In her creative-writing class, she sometimes writes on themes drawn from her days in prison, and it is no longer such a big deal to anyone, she says....

She is wearing a small gold necklace of a dove. The chaplain gave it to her the night she was waiting for the appeals-court decision that, it turned out, reversed her conviction.

"He gave it to me to remind me I am free, no matter where I am," she says, touching it like a talisman. "I don't wear it always, but I wear it on important occasions, and when I need to remind myself of that."

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Gee...I missed all the fun last night with Diane and Amanda.

That is because I was busy reading the first 48 pages of her best truth.

The first 14 pages told me Curt warned her that should she go to Perugia, he could not rush over to save her when she called, suggesting she has needed 'help' before. Also, Amanda has been estranged from Curt since her early teens, because she was mean to him and punished him by refusing to visit him on scheduled days.

She seems to be very focused on sex, yet confused how a girl should express herself. The subject appears extra important and I guess maybe because she cannot read emotions/social cues it is important to master that mask. She tries too hard to seem carefree and mellow, but her rage and pathology lurk right under the surface.

Everything is about Amanda, because she is the centre of her universe...so far I am really sad this girl is so pathological. I got the vague feeling she has tried really hard to fit in to society...without success. She does admit her family would shake their heads and sigh, "that's Amanda" when she showed her true self. Obviously, her family had no idea about the depth of her quirkness..but were aware she was 'different'.

Every constructed sentence...every expressed thought tells the truth about her even tho she made a big effort to sound human. Every description of her childhood is a thinly veiled, uncomfortable account of her emotional/psychological position and her utter lack of 'feeling' part of society. She writes she was a loner who ditched her small band of outcast friends in an attempt to fit in with a more mainstream crowd. So, she was learning how to fake it.

This book is incredibly sad, because it demonstrates her inability to feel and process like other people did...and that she knew something was lacking...but was too young to know how damaged she was. She was going to Perugia to prove she could be a big girl. Sadder still, her defect and lack of self understanding led to the death of beautiful Meredith. It is easy to see how Merediths easy, well adjusted confidence confounded and angered Amanda.

I want to hate her, but all I feel is compassion for a twisted soul who was enabled at every step...she has suffered all her life.
She never had a chance to lead a happy life. She is a monster in a pretty package.

RIP Meredith.
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Eyes for Lies

Amanda Knox makes me feel VIOLATED


EYES FOR LIES

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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 5:48 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Knox in a live interview on GMA this morning.

Knox Says Prosecution Failed to Give Victim's Family Answers

GOOD MORNING AMERICA

She looks stiff and wooden. She tries too hard to please the audience and be likeable. It's almost painful to watch but I'm sure her "family" will say that they are "proud" of her performance.
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Someone made an observation that Knox looks 10 years older than her age in those interviews and I agree. Living a lie for so long is extremely exhausting, it really takes its toll.

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Napia5 wrote:
I thought that Sawyer herself did a fair job in the interview. She seemed confused, or puzzled at moments and she did ask some direct questions. But, in terms of 'selling the brand' it was a total fail, at least as far as the negative comments seem to indicate. ABC tried to introduce the 'quirky' angle with Knox and her sister on a swing set, jumping off together. Too little, too late, IMO. A stiff, slow to respond, almost emotionless woman giving an interview, and then a flash of a moment of staged fun felt so set-up, it was hard not to shake my head.

I didn't expect to come away from the interview, convinced with any new facts that she and Raffaele are innocent.
The evidence is in, it's there, and it's not going anywhere. I was more interested in Diane Sawyer, and whether or not she would fawn and pity, and lead America to unite with a flag-waving gesture, angered and protective toward one of our own. This did not happen. And Sawyer gets a nod for her treatment of the Kercher family. Ending with pictures of them, and commenting that they are 'waiting to be heard', Sawyer seemed truly sympathetic.

So, overall, as far as the interview is concerned, Sawyer herself gets a pass. ABC producers, for presenting an an interview that felt as stiff and plastic as the slipcovers over the sofa in my grandmother's parlor, get a fail. Knox's handlers as well. As for Knox, I believe the interview hurt her, at least in terms of public opinion. And, the questions are going to get even tougher. This interview was a lobbed softball.


The well-known Amandist Nikki Batiste was the producer of this show, Napia5, and so, the script she handed Diane Sawyer was written by the defense. But anchors get to rewrite, and so, the last lines entirely sympathetic to the Kerchers, and remembering Meredith, as opposed to the packaged product. Funny how ABC's Diane Sawyer and Katie Couric (with Raffaele Sollecito) both gave zingers at the end of the interview!
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guermantes wrote:
Someone made an observation that Knox looks 10 years older than her age in those interviews and I agree. Living a lie for so long is extremely exhausting, it really takes its toll.


Looks like....?
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 6:27 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Not only will living such a huge lie age you, Guermantes, but in the end it will make you physically ill. That's how these things manifest eventually. The only cure is atonement.

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Ergon wrote:
Napia5 wrote:
I thought that Sawyer herself did a fair job in the interview. She seemed confused, or puzzled at moments and she did ask some direct questions. But, in terms of 'selling the brand' it was a total fail, at least as far as the negative comments seem to indicate. ABC tried to introduce the 'quirky' angle with Knox and her sister on a swing set, jumping off together. Too little, too late, IMO. A stiff, slow to respond, almost emotionless woman giving an interview, and then a flash of a moment of staged fun felt so set-up, it was hard not to shake my head.

I didn't expect to come away from the interview, convinced with any new facts that she and Raffaele are innocent.
The evidence is in, it's there, and it's not going anywhere. I was more interested in Diane Sawyer, and whether or not she would fawn and pity, and lead America to unite with a flag-waving gesture, angered and protective toward one of our own. This did not happen. And Sawyer gets a nod for her treatment of the Kercher family. Ending with pictures of them, and commenting that they are 'waiting to be heard', Sawyer seemed truly sympathetic.

So, overall, as far as the interview is concerned, Sawyer herself gets a pass. ABC producers, for presenting an an interview that felt as stiff and plastic as the slipcovers over the sofa in my grandmother's parlor, get a fail. Knox's handlers as well. As for Knox, I believe the interview hurt her, at least in terms of public opinion. And, the questions are going to get even tougher. This interview was a lobbed softball.


The well-known Amandist Nikki Batiste was the producer of this show, Napia5, and so, the script she handed Diane Sawyer was written by the defense. But anchors get to rewrite, and so, the last lines entirely sympathetic to the Kerchers, and remembering Meredith, as opposed to the packaged product. Funny how ABC's Diane Sawyer and Katie Couric (with Raffaele Sollecito) both gave zingers at the end of the interview!


Yeah, I don't think Knox sold it to Sawyer. She'll have met a lot of liars in her time.

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tamale wrote:
Gee...I missed all the fun last night with Diane and Amanda.

That is because I was busy reading the first 48 pages of her best truth.

The first 14 pages told me Curt warned her that should she go to Perugia, he could not rush over to save her when she called, suggesting she has needed 'help' before. Also, Amanda has been estranged from Curt since her early teens, because she was mean to him and punished him by refusing to visit him on scheduled days.

She seems to be very focused on sex, yet confused how a girl should express herself. The subject appears extra important and I guess maybe because she cannot read emotions/social cues it is important to master that mask. She tries too hard to seem carefree and mellow, but her rage and pathology lurk right under the surface.

Everything is about Amanda, because she is the centre of her universe...so far I am really sad this girl is so pathological. I got the vague feeling she has tried really hard to fit in to society...without success. She does admit her family would shake their heads and sigh, "that's Amanda" when she showed her true self. Obviously, her family had no idea about the depth of her quirkness..but were aware she was 'different'.

Every constructed sentence...every expressed thought tells the truth about her even tho she made a big effort to sound human. Every description of her childhood is a thinly veiled, uncomfortable account of her emotional/psychological position and her utter lack of 'feeling' part of society. She writes she was a loner who ditched her small band of outcast friends in an attempt to fit in with a more mainstream crowd. So, she was learning how to fake it.

This book is incredibly sad, because it demonstrates her inability to feel and process like other people did...and that she knew something was lacking...but was too young to know how damaged she was. She was going to Perugia to prove she could be a big girl. Sadder still, her defect and lack of self understanding led to the death of beautiful Meredith. It is easy to see how Merediths easy, well adjusted confidence confounded and angered Amanda.

I want to hate her, but all I feel is compassion for a twisted soul who was enabled at every step...she has suffered all her life.
She never had a chance to lead a happy life. She is a monster in a pretty package.

RIP Meredith.


I feel sorry for Knox too, always have. Her family and friends and supporters have essentially trapped her in her lie, forcing her to keep the lie going in order to please, repay and live up to their expectations. That's no way for someone to have to live.

I have to say, I don't feel the same sympathy for Sollecito. He comes over as one who doesn't really give a damn if he pleases his father or not. He lies purely for himself and so I don't feel he's been trapped in the same way Knox has.

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Transcript of the GMA interview:

And now to amanda knox, here exclusively on "gma" for her first ever live interview. As you know six years ago she was a college student studying abroad in italy. Her life changed forever when her roommate, meredith kercher, was killed and amanda was first convicted of the crime. She spent four years behind bars before an appeals court set her free but just last month she learned her ordeal is not over yet. Amanda's memoir, "waiting to be heard," was just released yesterday and it's nice to have amanda here with us live this morning.

It's a morning after, after the interview that millions of people watched and your book is out. How are you doing this morning?

I'm so grateful to be here. I am so grateful to have this chance and I really, really hope that people will read it because I poured my heart into it and i gave it everything I had.

It was very important to you to write it yourself and I got an advance copy over the weekend and to be honest I thought, I'll just skim through it to be prepared for this interview and I ended up reading it word for word. It's a very thoughtful, very straightforward -- you don't sugar coat anything. You talk about using drugs. You talk about your sexual encounters. You said you were waiting to be heard. What is it that you wanted people to hear most from you?

Wow. I wanted people to know who i was, because I felt that I was lost in the middle of this storm and I was taken over and i wanted people to know precisely what it is I went through and precisely what I was thinking at every moment and I wanted -- i wanted to give what I was able to get out of it to the people who read it. It was so important for me to be honest. There's no use to me writing this if I wasn't completely honest and completely bare and i felt like I've been laid bare for so long that I'm -- I'm only happy to give that and hopeful hopefully -- [deep sigh] -- and hopefully make a difference.

The reaction to the interview has been mixed. There's some people who did not know about the dna evidence that there was none there and how you explain that.

Yeah.

And there were others that were -- your -- your emotion or lack thereof and you said it in the interview with diane that no one knows until you're put in a situation but people kind of think how they should act. How do you respond to that when people here are some people that are just not going to be convinced?

Well, that's -- it's the greatest hurdle that I've had to come across in speaking to people and defending myself because until you're in a situation that is as incredibly surreal and overwhelming and tragic as I was in finding out that my friend was murdered and then being interrogated so aggressively and then being put through this huge trial like i had to learn how to deal with it as I went through it. I was 20. I was in this foreign country. I barely spoke the language and my friend was murdered and I had never in my life experienced anything -- anything similar and I was clueless all the way through and I just had to learn to survive.

What is your life like now? It's beautiful and at the end of the book that you had a list of things you wanted to do if you got out of jail and things that you were going to do if you stayed in jail. So what is life like now for you?

Oh, god, I'm so -- I'm so incredibly grateful for life right now. I'm close to my family. I have my own place. I have a wonderful boyfriend. I have wonderful friends. I go to school. I go to -- udub. [UW] Udub. And I have great teachers, very sympathetic friends that i met at the udub. I'm doing great. I really am. It's incredible to feel that again because I felt so stunted and so limited and so hated for so long and it's nice not to have to have that all the time.

You mention your family. They're up in the green room.

They are right now...

... and you became quite emotional when you were talking to diane about your family and the guilt that you felt for the sacrifice. They were there every single day, even if they couldn't see you.

Looking at your life before and after this ordeal, how were you different? How are you the same?

One of the things that i struggled with the most when i came back was the fact that i wasn't the same person anymore and I almost felt like I was disappointing my family because of how serious and almost -- i almost couldn't get out of my head when I first came home, that's where -- that was the only thing that I had left in prison was my own mind and that's where I hid myself inside of myself and I've slowly been coming out which is great and still the same person.

I'm just a little more sober. Somber.

Four years in jail will do that.

Meredith kercher, her family overnight released a statement and they said they're not going to read the book. That they are waiting to be heard and that their beloved, meredith, is the victim. What do you say to the kercher family.

Meredith kercher is the victim. Meredith kercher died and her family deserves answers. The prosecution didn't give that to them.

I still hope they'll read my book because in it I talk about mez. I talk about the relationship i had with her and that is the little amount that I can give them of her but I also want them to be able to come away with my perspective because if they -- they're seeking answers, and they deserve to have answers, and I give every answer that i can in my book. It's the first way that I can reach out to them and I really hope that we can connect one day.

I know you've been trying to. Amanda knox, thank you. Thank you so much for being here and joining us and you can read an excerpt of Amanda's book at goodmorningamerica.com on yahoo! "Waiting to be heard”.


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Heavey's off again...he just can't stop:

Judge Heavey to speak about Knox case at Rotary Club of Redmond meeting

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Gee...I missed all the fun last night with Diane and Amanda.

That is because I was busy reading the first 48 pages of her best truth.

The first 14 pages told me Curt warned her that should she go to Perugia, he could not rush over to save her when she called, suggesting she has needed 'help' before. Also, Amanda has been estranged from Curt since her early teens, because she was mean to him and punished him by refusing to visit him on scheduled days.

She seems to be very focused on sex, yet confused how a girl should express herself. The subject appears extra important and I guess maybe because she cannot read emotions/social cues it is important to master that mask. She tries too hard to seem carefree and mellow, but her rage and pathology lurk right under the surface.

Everything is about Amanda, because she is the centre of her universe...so far I am really sad this girl is so pathological. I got the vague feeling she has tried really hard to fit in to society...without success. She does admit her family would shake their heads and sigh, "that's Amanda" when she showed her true self. Obviously, her family had no idea about the depth of her quirkness..but were aware she was 'different'.

Every constructed sentence...every expressed thought tells the truth about her even tho she made a big effort to sound human. Every description of her childhood is a thinly veiled, uncomfortable account of her emotional/psychological position and her utter lack of 'feeling' part of society. She writes she was a loner who ditched her small band of outcast friends in an attempt to fit in with a more mainstream crowd. So, she was learning how to fake it.

This book is incredibly sad, because it demonstrates her inability to feel and process like other people did...and that she knew something was lacking...but was too young to know how damaged she was. She was going to Perugia to prove she could be a big girl. Sadder still, her defect and lack of self understanding led to the death of beautiful Meredith. It is easy to see how Merediths easy, well adjusted confidence confounded and angered Amanda.

I want to hate her, but all I feel is compassion for a twisted soul who was enabled at every step...she has suffered all her life.
She never had a chance to lead a happy life. She is a monster in a pretty package.

RIP Meredith.


I feel sorry for Knox too, always have. Her family and friends and supporters have essentially trapped her in her lie, forcing her to keep the lie going in order to please, repay and live up to their expectations. That's no way for someone to have to live.

I have to say, I don't feel the same sympathy for Sollecito. He comes over as one who doesn't really give a damn if he pleases his father or not. He lies purely for himself and so I don't feel he's been trapped in the same way Knox has.


I am glad you said that Michael...it lessens my guilt for feeling compassion for her. I never forget Meredith is the victim of a victim. We are on the same page regarding Raff. eesh.
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If you are craving a good belly laugh, this is a must-read!

The Butterfly Effect
By Mark Baumgarten

How the trial of Amanda Knox, half a world away, made a bunch of Americans miserable, spawned a justice league, and maybe started a scientific revolution. Maybe.

Bruce Fischer, a Chicago-area family man who manages a pair of auto retail stores, stumbled upon the case on Facebook shortly after Knox and Sollecito were convicted. He has since become a leader in the pro-Knox camp and written two books about the case.
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Fischer didn’t have an area of expertise, but he did have time. In early 2010 he launched Injustice in Perugia, a community website that hosted analysis from advocates, updates for the curious, and forums for supporters.
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“It is a terrible, tragic story, and it took a lot out of me,” says independent author and journalist Nina Burleigh, who shed pounds and tangled with bedbugs and Internet stalkers while writing the best-selling account of the case, The Fatal Gift of Beauty.
...
Waterbury is working on two popular-science books. One, Life in a Crowded Cosmos, argues that “sophisticated life” likely exists on billions of planets. The other, yet to be titled, is a treatise on the “soliton,” a type of energy wave that he sees at play in the world around us.

“I think that revolutions, addictions, habits, all kinds of social phenomenon behave like these special, unusual solitary waves,” he says. “They’re waves with a particular longevity; I call them a wave with an instinct for survival. I tend to get a little melodramatic.”


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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 7:49 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

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I am glad you said that Michael...it lessens my guilt for feeling compassion for her. I never forget Meredith is the victim of a victim. We are on the same page regarding Raff. eesh.


Yes, but Knox is ultimately a victim of herself. Nobody made her kill. And lots of people have major difficulty with fitting into society and they don't kill because of it. And she killed just for kicks. If she hadn't of killed then she wouldn't find herself trapped in the trap she finds herself now and she needs to take responsibility for that. I have some degree of sympathy for her, but it only goes so far. Once she takes responsibility, then people can start to feel sympathy for her. That's how atonement works.

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'Omissions and discrepancies' in Amanda Knox's memoir

Letters the American wrote to her lawyers contradict some of the details in her $4m autobiography
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Astrology of Amanda Knox First Interview ;)

Seems to make sense, guermantes...didn't go well for Amanda but pretty well for abc.


Yes, astrology seems to work...uncannily spot on ;)

ABC Rises With Amanda Knox Interview

Diane Sawyer's ABC News special Murder, Mystery: Amanda Knox Speaks gave the network a 12-week time slot high with a 1.7 rating among adults 18-49. The network averaged a 1.4 rating with adults 18-49 and 7.8 million viewers.


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Michael wrote:
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I am glad you said that Michael...it lessens my guilt for feeling compassion for her. I never forget Meredith is the victim of a victim. We are on the same page regarding Raff. eesh.


Yes, but Knox is ultimately a victim of herself. Nobody made her kill. And lots of people have major difficulty with fitting into society and they don't kill because of it. And she killed just for kicks. If she hadn't of killed then she wouldn't find herself trapped in the trap she finds herself now and she needs to take responsibility for that. I have some degree of sympathy for her, but it only goes so far. Once she takes responsibility, then people can start to feel sympathy for her. That's how atonement works.



Agreed. Totally.
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Astrology of Amanda Knox First Interview ;)

Seems to make sense, guermantes...didn't go well for Amanda but pretty well for abc.


Yes, astrology seems to work...uncannily spot on ;)

ABC Rises With Amanda Knox Interview

Diane Sawyer's ABC News special Murder, Mystery: Amanda Knox Speaks gave the network a 12-week time slot high with a 1.7 rating among adults 18-49. The network averaged a 1.4 rating with adults 18-49 and 7.8 million viewers.


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But not really good for Amanda Knox ;)

She could have done with as few people as possible seeing that.

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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 10:11 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

I am catching up with the latest news about Amanda Knox's book release and interview and I thought you might be interested to know that yesterday her interview and book release was mentioned here on an Australian news program. The central point of the news was that Amanda Knox hoped the Kerchers would read her book and that she would like to visit Meredith's grave with them. Basically they made her sound like the crazy person she is.

It boggles the mind that she can only speak about herself and what expectations she has. Talk about being a narcissistic self-centred egoist.

In the morning news there is no mention of her whatsoever.
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Hey Nell. Hope you are doing OK.
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 11:21 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Nell, Australians don't know how lucky they are. ;) Hopefully the hype around Knox will die down soon. She comes over as extremely unlikeable and arrogant, esp. in yesterday's interview.

I found this summary of key points useful - worth reading and watching the clips:

Amanda Knox: Top 10 Points That Raised Questions During Her Murder Trial

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Jools posted this earlier at .org

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The convicted liar's excuse for not attending the vigil for her murdered "friend".

"That afternoon at Raffaele's, I got a text from one of Meredith's friends ​a student from Poland ​telling me about a candlelight memorial service for Meredith that night. Everyone was supposed to meet downtown, on Corso Vannucci, at 8 P.M. and walk in a procession to the Duomo. I kept wondering about what I should do. I wanted to be there but couldn't decide if it was a good idea for me to go to such a public event. I was sure the people I ran into would ask me what I knew about the murder. In the end my decision was made for me​. Raffaele had somewhere else to be, and I wouldn't have considered going alone. It didn't occur to me that ​people would later read my absence as another indication of guilt."


Why do all her excuses feel so contrived?
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Hey Nell. Hope you are doing OK.


Hi dgfred,

Good to see you! I am alright. I didn't have much time lately for the forum due to personal circumstances.

I've read a few quotes from Knox's book on .org and saw a few segments from her interview on tv and as predicted by many, there won't be any bombshells. It is even more boring than I suspected it would be. Big revelation: She had sex. What she doesn't understand is that it is not the sexual relationships she might or might not have had that upset people, but the way she puts it on display. The only people I know who write about their sexual conquests are retired actors and actresses who have run out of money and need to sell a book.
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Nell wrote:
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Hey Nell. Hope you are doing OK.


Hi dgfred,

Good to see you! I am alright. I didn't have much time lately for the forum due to personal circumstances.

I've read a few quotes from Knox's book on .org and saw a few segments from her interview on tv and as predicted by many, there won't be any bombshells. It is even more boring than I suspected it would be. Big revelation: She had sex. What she doesn't understand is that it is not the sexual relationships she might or might not have had that upset people, but the way she puts it on display. The only people I know who write about their sexual conquests are retired actors and actresses who have run out of money and need to sell a book.


Yeah, she had sex. I think the book is very telling about the inside of her head. Textbook.
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Nell, Australians don't know how lucky they are. ;) Hopefully the hype around Knox will die down soon. She comes over as extremely unlikeable and arrogant, esp. in yesterday's interview.

I found this summary of key points useful - worth reading and watching the clips:

Amanda Knox: Top 10 Points That Raised Questions During Her Murder Trial

ABC

Jools posted this earlier at .org

Quote:
The convicted liar's excuse for not attending the vigil for her murdered "friend".

"That afternoon at Raffaele's, I got a text from one of Meredith's friends ​a student from Poland ​telling me about a candlelight memorial service for Meredith that night. Everyone was supposed to meet downtown, on Corso Vannucci, at 8 P.M. and walk in a procession to the Duomo. I kept wondering about what I should do. I wanted to be there but couldn't decide if it was a good idea for me to go to such a public event. I was sure the people I ran into would ask me what I knew about the murder. In the end my decision was made for me​. Raffaele had somewhere else to be, and I wouldn't have considered going alone. It didn't occur to me that ​people would later read my absence as another indication of guilt."


Why do all her excuses feel so contrived?


Hi Guermantes,

I agree with what you say. The clips I've seen from the interview show her taking center stage, Amanda Knox, the victim, sighing deeply and forcing herself to tear up just like her mama. Same as in court, she confirms with her own actions everything she tries so hard to disprove with her lies. She only cares about herself. It's there for everyone to see.

Amanda Knox revealed that she wrote a letter to Patrick that was never sent. Really? When does she claim she wrote it? It couldn't have been before she laughed Pacelli off in court for asking her if she had ever apologised to Patrick, right?

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Amanda Knox Trial Testimony, Friday June 12, 2009

Carlo Pacelli: "Well, I've finished for now. One last question. Did you ever say you
were sorry to Patrick?"

Amanda Knox: "No."

Giancarlo Massei: "Excuse me. For the behavior, it is admitted."

Carlo Pacelli: "I'm finished, I'm finished."

Giancarlo Massei: "It was admitted, and the accused already answered. Go ahead, avvocato."

Carlo Pacelli: "Did you ever make any proposal to give Patrick some money?"

Amanda Knox: "Me? Personally?"

Carlo Pacelli: "Yes, or through your lawyers? Personally, of course."

Amanda Knox: "Me, no. [Laughs] I don't remember that."

Carlo Pacelli: "For now, I've finished. Thank you, Presidente."

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Then there is this interesting tidbit from the transcript of her testimony in which Luciano Ghirga claims the letter she wrote to tell her lawyers how upset she was to have named Patrick Lumumba to police is only 2 lines long!

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Amanda Knox Trial Testimony, Friday June 12th, 2009

Luciano Ghirga: "It's just two lines!"

Giancarlo Massei: "However, we have the interpreter, so hopefully we can use the interpreter to check the contents of--"

Luciano Ghirga: "Or have her translate it immediately."

[...]

Giancarlo Massei: "The question that the defense lawyer is asking is: Do you remember if, in this letter, you also mentioned Patrick Lumumba?"

Amanda Knox: "Yes."

Giancarlo Massei: "Do you remember in what terms you spoke of him?"

Amanda Knox: "I wrote that I felt upset about having said the name of Patrick. Just that. Because at that time, I remembered and I knew that everything I had said was a mistake."

Luciano Ghirga: "I wanted to know if she was upset for Patrick, that was my whole question."

Giancarlo Massei: "All right. Were you upset for Patrick?"

Amanda Knox: "Of course! Mamma mia!"

Giancarlo Massei: "And you wrote about this being upset in the letter?"

Amanda Knox: "Yes."

Giancarlo Massei: "The Court will arrange a translation of the letter which was given to the other parties, a letter which the defense requests to produce, and the Court of Assize will acquire the letter."

Transcripts


It's maybe a good moment to remember that Amanda Knox didn't just name Patrick Lumumba as someone who might have had access to the house or someone who befriended Meredith and was interested in her, no, she in fact gave a detailed eye witness account of how she met with him, how she let him into the cottage and how she heard Meredith scream while he was in the room with her. Later, she didn't retract her statements, to the contrary, she insisted she kept seeing Patrick in flashbacks. This came when she finally understood what a bad idea her accusation against Patrick turned out to be. It placed her at the crime scene. She didn't think she would be arrested. You cannot be an eye witness if you weren't there, right? It is painfully clear that she hoped to derail the investigation by framing Patrick Lumumba, but later recognised that she had to extract herself from the crime scene and for that to happen she called her former eye witness account now "flashbacks" and left it to the investigators to figure it out.

Maybe worthwhile to read the ugly details about her false accusation against innocent Patrick Lumumba again: here and here. Here is Amanda Knox's pre-trial statement to judge Micheli in which she tries to put the blame on police. Completely missing from her declarations to police and judge Micheli is how she explained to them that she was working for Patrick and he had texted her not to come that night and that she replied to his text message. An innocent person would have asked the investigators to confirm this with Patrick before making up a fantasy story.
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tamale wrote:
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Hey Nell. Hope you are doing OK.


Hi dgfred,

Good to see you! I am alright. I didn't have much time lately for the forum due to personal circumstances.

I've read a few quotes from Knox's book on .org and saw a few segments from her interview on tv and as predicted by many, there won't be any bombshells. It is even more boring than I suspected it would be. Big revelation: She had sex. What she doesn't understand is that it is not the sexual relationships she might or might not have had that upset people, but the way she puts it on display. The only people I know who write about their sexual conquests are retired actors and actresses who have run out of money and need to sell a book.


Yeah, she had sex. I think the book is very telling about the inside of her head. Textbook.


I agree. It says a lot about her.
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No mention of Raffaele Sollecito.


I wondered about that too. On .org someone posted an excerpt from her book. She thanked every Tom, Dick and Harry, but not Raffaele Sollecito for his support and for "standing by her".

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Don Saulo and the prisoners of Capanne, who appreciated me for who I am, supported me through many a moment of crisis, and taught me so much about humanity.
Rocco Girlanda and Corrado Daclon, for visiting, for supplying the books and music to keep my mind active during imprisonment, and for the help they provided getting me home from Italy.
Dr. Greg Hampikian, Dr. Saul Kassin, and Steve Moore for their advocacy, their expertise, and their friendship.
David Marriott and Theodore Simon, for their guidance and generosity.
Professor Giuseppe Leporace and the Seattle Prep community, for their dedication as educators to my mind and heart, despite the criticism.
My family and friends, for coming together in my time of need, for overcoming the unknown, for saving my sanity and my life.
And finally, Luciano Ghirga, Carlo Dalla Vedova, and Maria Del Grosso, for defending and caring about me as if I were one of their own.

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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 2:15 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

More Amanda Knox PLUS teary-eyed Edda & seething Curt:
Interview segment from ABC World News aired on ABC tonight

Warning From Amanda Knox's Mother
Mother of college student accused of murder in Italy has a message for Americans studying abroad.

ABC WORLD NEWS

God help us, more to come ... tomorrow:

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guermantes wrote:
I found this summary of key points useful - worth reading and watching the clips:

Amanda Knox: Top 10 Points That Raised Questions During Her Murder Trial

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Nothing addressed. Those are the hard questions. MSM covers 5% of this.
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guermantes wrote:
More Amanda Knox PLUS teary-eyed Edda & seething Curt:
Interview segment from ABC World News aired on ABC tonight

Warning From Amanda Knox's Mother
Mother of college student accused of murder in Italy has a message for Americans studying abroad.

ABC WORLD NEWS

God help us, more to come ... tomorrow:

Elizabeth Vargas ‏@EVargasABC 42m

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Am prepping for @gma 2moro morning. Intving amanda knox and her family live. What do u want me to ask?



Minute 0:23

Diane Sawyer: "Did you kill Meredith Kercher?" Amanda Knox: "No."
Diane Sawyer: "Were you there that night?" Amanda Knox: "No. ... I wasn't there."

I noted how her voice changed when she responded to the second question (it got higher). Right after that, there was a sound that I first thought came from swallowing audibly, but I think I was wrong, I believe it is from pressing her lips together. She does make an odd nod with her head and it seems she is swallowing. Observe her lips and especially the corners of her mouth while she answers these two questions. She is pressing her lips together. The expression on her face was also priceless.

Her media appearance was well rehearsed in my opinion, but it failed to convince. She is not humble, kind or charitable. She is the "look-at-me" type. People are not that stupid. I suspect the only ones who know that her days of freedom are counted are her parents and her advisers. She herself seems exceptionally stupid and apparently believes her own absurd tale. She clearly enjoys the media attention she is getting.

The comments under articles talking about her interview and book are mostly negative. Even people who are on the fence regarding guilt and innocence cannot stand her just because of her lack of humbleness and her demeanor in general. Good call.
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Nell wrote:
guermantes wrote:
More Amanda Knox PLUS teary-eyed Edda & seething Curt:
Interview segment from ABC World News aired on ABC tonight

Warning From Amanda Knox's Mother
Mother of college student accused of murder in Italy has a message for Americans studying abroad.

ABC WORLD NEWS

God help us, more to come ... tomorrow:

Elizabeth Vargas ‏@EVargasABC 42m

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Am prepping for @gma 2moro morning. Intving amanda knox and her family live. What do u want me to ask?



Minute 0:23

Diane Sawyer: "Did you kill Meredith Kercher?" Amanda Knox: "No."
Diane Sawyer: "Were you there that night?" Amanda Knox: "No. ... I wasn't there."

I noted how her voice changed when she responded to the second question (it got higher). Right after that, there was a sound that I first thought came from swallowing audibly, but I think I was wrong, I believe it is from pressing her lips together. She does make an odd nod with her head and it seems she is swallowing. Observe her lips and especially the corners of her mouth while she answers these two questions. She is pressing her lips together. The expression on her face was also priceless.

Her media appearance was well rehearsed in my opinion, but it failed to convince. She is not humble, kind or charitable. She is the "look-at-me" type. People are not that stupid. I suspect the only ones who know that her days of freedom are counted are her parents and her advisers. She herself seems exceptionally stupid and apparently believes her own absurd tale. She clearly enjoys the media attention she is getting.

The comments under articles talking about her interview and book are mostly negative. Even people who are on the fence regarding guilt and innocence cannot stand her just because of her lack of humbleness and her demeanor in general. Good call.


I agree she has been well-rehearsed, this AK is a completely different creature - but if you are innocent, why do you need to rehearse? Sophie, Filomena, Patrick or any other innocent person in this case could go on a chat show with less than 5 minutes notice - why can't AK? what is there to think about? The other strange thing for me is I saw somewhere she had said something along the lines of coming to terms with being in prison for a long time if found guilty even though she is not (I'm sorry I can't remember exactly what her words were) - but if you are innocent you would not be able to get your head around going to prison for killing someone when you did not - you would fight to the bitter end any which way you could, prove your innocence any way you can.
And don't even get me started on her talking about going to dance on - oops sorry, visit Meredith's grave - enough, leave the Kerchers alone!

Hope everyone is well.
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Int: So did ya do dat ting (Jamaican interviewer this time)

Foxy K: Nah, I think, you know what I think?

Int: No, dats why I am asking you

Foxy K: I think the cat did it, I mean there was blood, I was so clean all the time, everyone knows that, I used to lick the floor after vacuuming every single hour of the day, I cannot mention periods enough, what is it that I thought, with the mind, my mind the one I've got, did I think this, did I think that, I don't know I forget so conveniently, anyhow, periods, what the hell, here I was in prison, it was sheer hell, lesbians were bringing me offerings in the shower, there I was being examined by what looked like a female Russian ballerina turned heavyweight boxer/wrestler, when the doc came in stinking of gin and said spread em, me, I was so ashamed, I had my periods and blood was up and down the walls, which reminded me of me, in the shower surrounded by blood, is it me, was it them, who was it there, was there anyone, I cried, who is there, I cried, alas, nobody was there so I continued regardless, in the blood, which I assumed was also blood from a period someone must have had, not mine, I'm clean, clean in every sense, so there I was, when suddenly, I thought, hell, let me run out of here, I grabbed my coat and hat and made speed to my boyfriend's place, he was just taking in a delivery of fresh north European turnips, well, Swiss, has a thing with the Swiss, in fact, I think he's building some kind of bunker over there, or maybe a chalet in the inaccessible mountains, father will ski in once every now and then, I think, with supplies of computers and important cases for him to examine while he himself remains at large, wanted by the police and noted on Interpol and a partridge in a pear shaped tree.

Int: Che? what? Are you okay? I didn't understand a word you said!!!

Foxy K: .... am I crazy or is it hot in here?

Int: What?

Foxy K: Duh, I said is it hot in here or am I crazy?

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At a certain point, these bullying tactics will backfire when used on the wrong people, like when they start bullying reputable people in journalism, and I'm not mentioning any names or titles as I know this lot are so simple that they latch onto info they get from thoughts people share, at the point they really start bullying a number or even one person that is part of a larger organisation of good repute they will find out how it is to become the subject of proper documentaries, showing what has been really going on.

It is basically a question of playing with fire.

A different scenario was possible, way back, where they admitted their wrong, and had it explained what happened as to arguments, and rage, and bad tempers, and why, they could possibly have ended up with plenty of mitigation, but, since this was never their choice, it does not in any way, shape or form, mean that their denial is a result of innocence, considering what we know, it is clearly a strategy in line with the callous-mindedness that goes along with taking a person's life, therefore, there could never have been this element, this element of a fault made; the intention was far worse and this has now been cemented as fact in cast iron by and through the behaviour following the murder, which is at least as bad as the murder itself, this showing the absolute ill-will, is at their own cost, it is their own loss, as none of this is helping them, and the worst of this mind-set is the lengths they have been going to, showing that as far as forgiveness goes, they will first have to find a way to forgive themselves.

Considering they are totally vacant in the remorse department, this can never be, they will never, deep down, be able to forgive themselves, because to forgive yourself you must feel truly sorry and you cannot do that if you continue to lie about everyting.
The idea of ''feeling sorry for'', now I could have, if they had shown that it had been a mad moment, but doing all that they have, shows that all of it has been, and is, a totally cruel, wicked and calculated affair, WHERE THEY WILL do anything to avoid the truth.

So well done you all with the books, now write one and tell the truth, since the only thing produced to date, is lies on top of lies.

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dollycat wrote:
I agree she has been well-rehearsed, this AK is a completely different creature - but if you are innocent, why do you need to rehearse? Sophie, Filomena, Patrick or any other innocent person in this case could go on a chat show with less than 5 minutes notice - why can't AK? what is there to think about? The other strange thing for me is I saw somewhere she had said something along the lines of coming to terms with being in prison for a long time if found guilty even though she is not (I'm sorry I can't remember exactly what her words were) - but if you are innocent you would not be able to get your head around going to prison for killing someone when you did not - you would fight to the bitter end any which way you could, prove your innocence any way you can.
And don't even get me started on her talking about going to dance on - oops sorry, visit Meredith's grave - enough, leave the Kerchers alone!

Hope everyone is well.


I couldn't agree with your point regarding Sophie, Patrick etc more. Innocent is innocent, the truth needs no rehearsal. Knox and Sollecito's books have proved to the world that they told the courts one thing and their publishers another. It's like the pair of them want to go back to prison. Surely the starting point would have been the court transcripts then you hang your story off what you said in court? Or is that just what sensible (guilty) people do? Agree with the fact that you'd be screaming innocence too.

Much much more harm was done on 30/4 than good. Not least the lack of support for Sollecito. I would have thought loving and stroking Raffaele would be top priority to prevent him reverting to the "I told a pack of lies" story he told to police. If Raffaele was so inclined, thanks to his dad's cash/understanding of the system, he could get Knox banged up for a long time whilst he lounges on the shores of Lake Lugano.
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daisysteiner wrote:
dollycat wrote:
I agree she has been well-rehearsed, this AK is a completely different creature - but if you are innocent, why do you need to rehearse? Sophie, Filomena, Patrick or any other innocent person in this case could go on a chat show with less than 5 minutes notice - why can't AK? what is there to think about? The other strange thing for me is I saw somewhere she had said something along the lines of coming to terms with being in prison for a long time if found guilty even though she is not (I'm sorry I can't remember exactly what her words were) - but if you are innocent you would not be able to get your head around going to prison for killing someone when you did not - you would fight to the bitter end any which way you could, prove your innocence any way you can.
And don't even get me started on her talking about going to dance on - oops sorry, visit Meredith's grave - enough, leave the Kerchers alone!

Hope everyone is well.


I couldn't agree with your point regarding Sophie, Patrick etc more. Innocent is innocent, the truth needs no rehearsal. Knox and Sollecito's books have proved to the world that they told the courts one thing and their publishers another. It's like the pair of them want to go back to prison. Surely the starting point would have been the court transcripts then you hang your story off what you said in court? Or is that just what sensible (guilty) people do? Agree with the fact that you'd be screaming innocence too.

Much much more harm was done on 30/4 than good. Not least the lack of support for Sollecito. I would have thought loving and stroking Raffaele would be top priority to prevent him reverting to the "I told a pack of lies" story he told to police. If Raffaele was so inclined, thanks to his dad's cash/understanding of the system, he could get Knox banged up for a long time whilst he lounges on the shores of Lake Lugano.


Absolutely Daisy - the book thing is weird - I think that their legal advice has been seriously lacking but also that the books were done with arrogance that the appeal would be signed off so there was no interest in any consequences (not that there ever has been with those two!)

A little part of me really wants RS to get banged up while Knox stays in the US - he will sing like a canary........... either way she will get her comeuppance.

RIP Meredith
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dollycat wrote:
daisysteiner wrote:
dollycat wrote:
I agree she has been well-rehearsed, this AK is a completely different creature - but if you are innocent, why do you need to rehearse? Sophie, Filomena, Patrick or any other innocent person in this case could go on a chat show with less than 5 minutes notice - why can't AK? what is there to think about? The other strange thing for me is I saw somewhere she had said something along the lines of coming to terms with being in prison for a long time if found guilty even though she is not (I'm sorry I can't remember exactly what her words were) - but if you are innocent you would not be able to get your head around going to prison for killing someone when you did not - you would fight to the bitter end any which way you could, prove your innocence any way you can.
And don't even get me started on her talking about going to dance on - oops sorry, visit Meredith's grave - enough, leave the Kerchers alone!

Hope everyone is well.


I couldn't agree with your point regarding Sophie, Patrick etc more. Innocent is innocent, the truth needs no rehearsal. Knox and Sollecito's books have proved to the world that they told the courts one thing and their publishers another. It's like the pair of them want to go back to prison. Surely the starting point would have been the court transcripts then you hang your story off what you said in court? Or is that just what sensible (guilty) people do? Agree with the fact that you'd be screaming innocence too.

Much much more harm was done on 30/4 than good. Not least the lack of support for Sollecito. I would have thought loving and stroking Raffaele would be top priority to prevent him reverting to the "I told a pack of lies" story he told to police. If Raffaele was so inclined, thanks to his dad's cash/understanding of the system, he could get Knox banged up for a long time whilst he lounges on the shores of Lake Lugano.


Absolutely Daisy - the book thing is weird - I think that their legal advice has been seriously lacking but also that the books were done with arrogance that the appeal would be signed off so there was no interest in any consequences (not that there ever has been with those two!)

A little part of me really wants RS to get banged up while Knox stays in the US - he will sing like a canary........... either way she will get her comeuppance.

RIP Meredith


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What sounds vulgar is her expressing how she is so much enjoying HER life, yes the one SHE has, the one nobody has TAKEN; considering what happened to Meredith, having NO LIFE because it WAS taken from her, the height of poor taste is expressing how grand everything is with YOUR life. Even if you are innocent, you would just button your lip on things like that because frankly, who gives a flying fuck, within the context of a life taken, Meredith's ?

This dispicable liar needs not just to be quiet, she needs to shut her filthy, fake mouth.

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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 12:00 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

dollycat wrote:
And don't even get me started on her talking about going to dance on - oops sorry, visit Meredith's grave - enough, leave the Kerchers alone!


Hi, Dollycat. I feel exactly the same way. I know I've said that I don't think Amanda is sincere about wanting to pay her respects at Meredith's grave, but I also think she would have no problem going to it. To her, it would be a trophy. And Knox is not adverse to trophies...she kept the knife. So, why not add the greatest trophy of all, Meredith's grave, to her collection? But, she doesn't have to do so physically, she's effectively doing so simply by talking 'at' the Kerchers about doing so. And also take the Kercher's last memories of Meredith and replace them with HER last memories of Meredith, seeded in the Kercher's minds? I see this as the sadistic subtext of what she is actually doing. If people doubt me on that, then consider...she's had years to think about what she might say to the Kerchers, not to mention been surrounded by people advising her...people hostile to the Kerchers. We see open hostility to the Kerchers from Knox's supporters and her FAMILY. Recall, not that long ago Knox's own grandmother helped author and signed a letter to Cosmo criticising them for presenting Stephanie Kercher with the Cosmo Woman of the Year Award. If her family and supporters feel that way toward the Kerchers, then why wouldn't Amanda Knox? And there are many here that believe Knox felt resentment and anger toward Meredith and that factored in her murder...why then wouldn't she feel the same towards Meredith's family? Many of us here tend to take inspiration from and model our conduct on those we admire...the Kerchers. Knox's family and supporters, it makes sense to me, would model theirs on the one they admire...Knox. Would they really be so hostile to the Kerchers if they really believed Knox would be against that? And Knox has been free for well over a year now and she clearly hasn't told them to pack it in, so she can't be against it, can she? I don't believe the face value interpretation of what Knox said was what she really meant, but the subtext was what she really intended for the Kerchers. That's how my mind is seeing all this. Knox is calculating. She KNOWS what she's doing.

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why is it the Americans are the only ones tha think she is innocent? For all of you that talk of re-trial, this isn't the case. The trial which acquitted her was judged to have not respected the procedural laws, therefore its the trial that has been revoked not her acquittal, which is revoked as a by product of the sentence.
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And the few innocenti that show up on the Daily Mail are getting 'rough treatment', lol, and there's a letter writing campaign to the BBC asking for 'equal treatment' wg-))
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 12:18 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Deluded, as always.

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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 12:24 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

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Am prepping for @gma 2moro morning. Intving amanda knox and her family live. What do u want me to ask?


Yeah, I have a question for Knox. If Amanda Knox is truly genuine in her platitudes and supposed compassion towards the Kerchers, why then has she not interceded with her family and her support group in their regular and ongoing attacks on the Kercher family in her name?

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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 12:29 pm   Post subject: ON THANK YOUS   

Funny how she thanks professors Saul Kassin and Greg Hampikian, and ex-FBI agent Steve Moore in her book, but not Judge Michael Heavey? They all dropped her in the soup. Well deserved kudos to all of PMF and TJMK that made her 'American' supporters activities known to the Italians.
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Michael wrote:
dollycat wrote:
And don't even get me started on her talking about going to dance on - oops sorry, visit Meredith's grave - enough, leave the Kerchers alone!


Hi, Dollycat. I feel exactly the same way. I know I've said that I don't think Amanda is sincere about wanting to pay her respects at Meredith's grave, but I also think she would have no problem going to it. To her, it would be a trophy. And Knox is not adverse to trophies...she kept the knife. So, why not add the greatest trophy of all, Meredith's grave, to her collection? But, she doesn't have to do so physically, she's effectively doing so simply by talking 'at' the Kerchers about doing so. And also take the Kercher's last memories of Meredith and replace them with HER last memories of Meredith, seeded in the Kercher's minds? I see this as the sadistic subtext of what she is actually doing. If people doubt me on that, then consider...she's had years to think about what she might say to the Kerchers, not to mention been surrounded by people advising her...people hostile to the Kerchers. We see open hostility to the Kerchers from Knox's supporters and her FAMILY. Recall, not that long ago Knox's own grandmother helped author and signed a letter to Cosmo criticising them for presenting Stephanie Kercher with the Cosmo Woman of the Year Award. If her family and supporters feel that way toward the Kerchers, then why wouldn't Amanda Knox? And there are many here that believe Knox felt resentment and anger toward Meredith and that factored in her murder...why then wouldn't she feel the same towards Meredith's family? Many of us here tend to take inspiration from and model our conduct on those we admire...the Kerchers. Knox's family and supporters, it makes sense to me, would model theirs on the one they admire...Knox. Would they really be so hostile to the Kerchers if they really believed Knox would be against that? And Knox has been free for well over a year now and she clearly hasn't told them to pack it in, so she can't be against it, can she? I don't believe the face value interpretation of what Knox said was what she really meant, but the subtext was what she really intended for the Kerchers. That's how my mind is seeing all this. Knox is calculating. She KNOWS what she's doing.


Basically its the Knox way or the highway - the Kercher's fall into line or they are "guilter" (only an American could make up a word like that...burglarization anyone? lol) scum. The Kercher's know this and this is probably why they are giving her not one inch. For all the abuse they have taken from Knox supporters, why would they give Amanda the time of day even if she herself apologised? Particularly as nothing upsets Knox more than the Kercher's publicly rejecting her. They should put out a statement every day.

I do hope Amanda feels like an impromptu visit to the UK and Meredith's grave, I'd love to give her the welcoming committee she deserves. Before I get a knock at the door from the Moore's/NYPD (North Yorkshire Police Dept!), I would give Knox the verbal welcome she deserves rather than a physical one. That said, my tongue could strip paint, especially after a few gins...actually I REALLY do hope Knox comes here, mainly so I get the excuse for the mega ginfest ;)
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Michael wrote:
dollycat wrote:
And don't even get me started on her talking about going to dance on - oops sorry, visit Meredith's grave - enough, leave the Kerchers alone!


Hi, Dollycat. I feel exactly the same way. I know I've said that I don't think Amanda is sincere about wanting to pay her respects at Meredith's grave, but I also think she would have no problem going to it. To her, it would be a trophy. And Knox is not adverse to trophies...she kept the knife. So, why not add the greatest trophy of all, Meredith's grave, to her collection? But, she doesn't have to do so physically, she's effectively doing so simply by talking 'at' the Kerchers about doing so. And also take the Kercher's last memories of Meredith and replace them with HER last memories of Meredith, seeded in the Kercher's minds? I see this as the sadistic subtext of what she is actually doing. If people doubt me on that, then consider...she's had years to think about what she might say to the Kerchers, not to mention been surrounded by people advising her...people hostile to the Kerchers. We see open hostility to the Kerchers from Knox's supporters and her FAMILY. Recall, not that long ago Knox's own grandmother helped author and signed a letter to Cosmo criticising them for presenting Stephanie Kercher with the Cosmo Woman of the Year Award. If her family and supporters feel that way toward the Kerchers, then why wouldn't Amanda Knox? And there are many here that believe Knox felt resentment and anger toward Meredith and that factored in her murder...why then wouldn't she feel the same towards Meredith's family? Many of us here tend to take inspiration from and model our conduct on those we admire...the Kerchers. Knox's family and supporters, it makes sense to me, would model theirs on the one they admire...Knox. Would they really be so hostile to the Kerchers if they really believed Knox would be against that? And Knox has been free for well over a year now and she clearly hasn't told them to pack it in, so she can't be against it, can she? I don't believe the face value interpretation of what Knox said was what she really meant, but the subtext was what she really intended for the Kerchers. That's how my mind is seeing all this. Knox is calculating. She KNOWS what she's doing.


Yes - she is taunting them and it is vicious and cruel. Her and her family do it because the Kerchers are everything they are not .....
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 3:53 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

I'd like to see an interview done with Knox and Sollecito together.
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Napia5 wrote:
I'd like to see an interview done with Knox and Sollecito together.


Hell will freeze first. Amanda and I probably speak more often than Amanda and Raffaele these days.
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 4:13 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

louiehaha wrote:
If anyone is interested in NovelRank/Amazon listings.
Hardcopy is at #35. http://www.novelrank.com/asin/0062217208
Kindle is at #110. http://www.novelrank.com/asin/B00AHCPXKS


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Thanks for the links to the NovelRank website, louie. According to the Hollywood Reporter, at the moment, Knox's book is selling pretty well and is #5 on Amazon, but if you look at the actual numbers of books sold, they are not that high:

http://www.novelrank.com/asin/0062217208

Still, many newcomers to the case have swallowed the bait of the TV interview and are buying Knox's book, who is hoping to make a fortune by pulling the wool over the eyes of naive TV watchers.

By the way, Andrew Gumbel has written a book review of Knox' Memoir for the Guardian. It's obvious that his review isn't impartial. Isn't he in a conflict of interest, wanting to boost sales of his own book?

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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 4:15 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

daisysteiner wrote:
Napia5 wrote:
I'd like to see an interview done with Knox and Sollecito together.


Hell will freeze first. Amanda and I probably speak more often than Amanda and Raffaele these days.


Ha! I know it will never happen, But I would like to see it. Why wouldn't they? I think it's a reasonable question. Maybe someone in a future interview will ask her.
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Funny how she thanks professors Saul Kassin and Greg Hampikian, and ex-FBI agent Steve Moore in her book, but not Judge Michael Heavey? They all dropped her in the soup. Well deserved kudos to all of PMF and TJMK that made her 'American' supporters activities known to the Italians.


Heavey calls the prosecution, the Perugia police, and the Court of Cassation criminals in his updated presentation, and says the Supreme Court has disgraced themselves and their country. According to @NJusticAnywhere, this is his 64th Rotary Club presentation: http://fb.me/Ks3IUnwR

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Does anyone else think he's trying to draw charges himself?
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 4:37 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Things are slightly imploding on IIP (did I already say this?) I am having flashbacks and I am not sure if this is the real truth.
Anyway, KP is on defensive because she thinks some guy called her a liar about Amanda writing the big book of lies, all by her self. The "editor/helper/writer/speller is mentioned in the back of book. I can't remember her name, but she is out of D.C.

I wonder if Raff went to visit (disturb) Meredith when he was in London recently? Of course not.

Leave the Kerchers alone...Amanda.
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 4:44 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Heavey's unhinged. The Knox campaign can deny all they want they aren't behind this, but too bad the prosecution team already knows otherwise :)
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 4:44 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Here they are again, the Melloxes & Elizabeth Vargas, if you can bear to look at them (Knox is still very tense and seems frozen and unnatural; the constant stream of chatter, fidgeting and noises emanating from Edda is a bit too much though.)

Amanda Knox Family Interview: 'Terrifying to Be Alone, And I Wasn't'

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Enough already. :roll:
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guermantes wrote:
Here they are again, the Melloxes & Elizabeth Vargas, if you can bear to look at them (Knox is still very tense and seems frozen and unnatural; the constant stream of chatter and noises emanating from Edda is a bit too much.)

Amanda Knox Family Interview: 'Terrifying to Be Alone, And I Wasn't'

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Enough already. :roll:

Yaahh, I lasted a few minutes without sound. Most interesting part... the sisters right foot :mrgreen:
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 5:09 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Has a copy of the youtube video of Heavy's presentation been forwarded to the prosecutors in Florence? I think it should be.
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 5:10 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Is the tide truly turning? Even Nina Burleigh is a bit critical of Knox's performance in her opinion piece for the CNN:

What Amanda Knox can and can't tell us
By Nina Burleigh

In her first television interview, she gave the same answers she has always given to the main questions about how she could have showered in a house with blood on a bathroom floor and faucet, and then, a few days later, named an innocent man as the killer.

But this time the answers came with close-ups of the quivering lip and brimming eyes.

All that emotion can't have distracted millions of viewers from the one thing that really matters: Who did it?

Knox has a terribly high hurdle in winning hearts and minds.

She must overcome the challenge that confronts anyone convicted of a gruesome killing and then released without a substitute defendant. Millions of people believe she got away with murder.

Her other problem is the one that's dogged her from the start. If you want to, you can look at her and think she is acting. In her first interview, she occasionally looked evasive, her gaze drifting away. To many people that reads as shiftiness, but it can also have any number of more benign causes, including disorientation, PTSD or the very understandable nervousness that any untrained person would feel at being interviewed by a major television anchor for a national audience.

Even in tears, she comes across as remote and cool. And years of coaching by attorneys still haven't prevented her from saying tone-deaf things such as expressing a desire to visit Kercher's grave.


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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 5:35 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

"Amanda Knox: 'I haven't been allowed to grieve' for roommate"

CBC.ca-5 hours ago

$$$$$ -- it rolls on and on
the sickest thing.

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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 5:36 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

The Current with Anna Maria Tremonti:

In her only Canadian broadcast interview, Amanda Knox tells us about the price she paid after she was charged with murdering her room-mate, her eventual acquittal and the recent call by Italy's top court for her to stand trial again.

But Knox said she doesn't blame the Italian justice system for her ordeal, instead focusing on over zealous prosecutors.

"I was treated very specifically due to a prosecution, and it's the prosecution that must be made to answer for the way that I was treated. I still have faith in the Italian justice system. I am still there, I am still going through it."

She said she believed the prosecution pursued her because they "had a bad vibe" about her and they didn't want to let that go, despite evidence pointing to Guede.

"In my opinion, they were projecting their own ideas about female decadence upon me," Knox said. "I very much believe that they thought they knew who I was before they knew me. They never really gave me a chance. They decided to make me a character and they held onto that. And whether or not they believe it, I think they've convinced themselves of it and were unwilling to let go."


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Where did we hear that before? Like Sollecito, Knox repeats the same answers over and over. Scripted. Or ScripTed? ;)
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 6:10 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

ttrroonniicc wrote:
CBC.ca-5 hours ago

$$$$$ -- it rolls on and on
the sickest thing.


Yeah, she isn't stopping there on her quest to plaster her smug little face all over TV.

Knox on the Markus Lanz show in ZDF (why isn't she speaking German to him? Being a "polyglot" and "know-it-all"...)

Amanda Knox: "Ich bin kein Monster!"

http://markuslanz.zdf.de/

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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 6:26 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

I watched part of a clip of some Amanda interview, can't recall which one. Amandas face is tortured...she is on the verge of crying the whole time. Her entire face has changed since her release from prison. In the joint she seemed so care free and smiley. Now, not so much. She is being destroyed by her family, publishers, pressure and IIP. She is paying a heavey price...

In her book she expressed her like of the prison schedule with the regular meals..exercise times. Maybe that kind of environment would be best for her (and society). Anyway, the book is telling of her psychology even tho it's full of crap. There is something about her style...even when she is denying something, it does not come off emphatically...it's dodgy and dubious.

Leave the Kerchers alone, Amanda. In fact all the sociopaths at IIP should avoid that name. The sudden and decidedly fake concern is fooling no one, and angering all.

Lastly, I am glad prosecutions will move forward in regard to the unforgivable offense of airing Meredith in her state of death. Puke.
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 7:22 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Amazing: Amanda Knox in slow motion

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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 8:11 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Knox feeds her lies to the French and they eat it up as well.

VIDEO. Amanda Knox sort un livre : "On me traitait de diabolique de Pérouse, de sorcière"

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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 8:39 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

guermantes wrote:
Amazing: Amanda Knox in slow motion

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Her NO is just so wrong, aggressive.

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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 9:57 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Another classic Knoxism:

"My innocence didn't save me. I had to fight harder than just being innocent."

huh-) What?
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 10:17 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Newsflash


GOOGLE TRANSLATION:

Compared victims. Telenorba video on trial for Meredith Kercher's lifeless

BARI - According to the judiciary in Bari, with the airing of a video that shows the merciless lifeless body of Meredith Kercher, the British student murdered in Perugia of 21 years the night between 1 and 2 November 2007, has Telenorba "infringing the right to privacy and the protection of the image of the girl and, for her, of his family"

It was written by the investigating judge in the order in which Gianluca Anglana, last February, rejecting a request for dismissal, ordered the indictment forced Enzo Magistà, director of Telenorba and journalist Antonio Procacci, responsible for the airing of the movie. The video shows the lifeless body of the student, naked and with her throat slashed.

The images were shot by the police to document the crime scene immediately after the murder. The video was aired on March 31, 2008 within the program 'The Scratch'. On 27 May 2008 the Council of the Order of Journalists of Puglia sanctioned Magistà with six-month suspension from professional.

After the airing of the movie the Kercher family sued for libel, violation of the privacy code and publication of arbitrary acts of a criminal case the two journalists and some relatives of Raffaele Sollecito, the student accused of the murder and Puglia later acquitted on appeal along with Amanda Knox (but recently the Supreme Court has ruled that the process needs to be redone).

From Perugia proceedings for defamation was moved to territorial jurisdiction in Puglia: the defenders of the reporters asked the storage and Sollecito, also proposed by the prosecutor in Bari Antonio Laudati in July 2012. The magistrate against journalists argued the reasons for the freedom of the press and among the family members to urge "the uselessness of the wiretaps," which found their involvement in the affair.

The Kercher were opposed to the proposal to close and demand for them, as we have seen, was welcomed at the end of last February by the judge for preliminary investigations Gianluca Anglana, but only against journalists, which was placed the charge forced, because, the judge wrote, "does not seem to meet the requirement of continence in the exposure of the service" and "are objectively horrifying images of wounds," "likely to affect the common sense of morality." E 'was instead prescribed offense to the other suspects, the publication of arbitrary acts of a criminal case. Sollecito's family (father, mother, sister and two uncles) are released from the proceedings for lack of valid elements to support the accusation.

"Some wiretaps showed the involvement of the family of the family of Raffaele Sollecito, who had recovered the video shot by investigators and reporters had passed," said Oxygen to the lawyer Francesco Maresca, the Kercher's lawyer, "but these intercepts were arranged in the process of the murder and therefore can not be used in another procedure. "

It is not excluded that the family of the victim make a claim for damages, but this is not, explains Maresca, the reason why the complaint was made: "The case was initiated mainly to give a signal, because the video is been used in a totally improper, "he continues. "The film was deposited with the records of the trial for the murder and all the legalities involved they had a copy. Then it started to turn: many journalists and television stations were angry but only Telenorba decided to forward it in that length of several minutes, and pointing out the images more delicate. "

Those images, the lawyer says, were filmed with an approach in mind: to document the crime scene for use by public officials who investigate to find the truth. There are pictures of a videographer that records images to make a journalistic use, to send her on the air. The advisability and necessity of displaying images with gruesome details and exposure of intimate parts of the body of a dead person, the journalist is always required to comply with the limits of ethics and take into account a plurality of interests: certainly that of citizens to be informed, but also no less important to respect the right to privacy, dignity and modesty of the victims.

The charter of duties says that the journalist "should not publish images and photographs of individuals involved in particularly gruesome news events, or otherwise detrimental to the dignity of the person, nor should dwell on the details of violence or brutality, unless overridden overriding reasons of social interest. "

These assessments are sometimes obvious, sometimes involving assessments delicate and difficult part of journalists that, especially in front of sensational news stories and controversial, in front of images that enrich the information on the case, they can also be wrong, can prejudice the legitimate interests . E 'therefore useful to explore the episodes that lead to open disputes, derive guidance and teaching, to better understand the importance of respecting the rights of victims and in what particular circumstances must prevail instead the freedom of the press.

There were other times (Read) Oxygen invited to reflect on the circumstances in which it is allowed reporters to show gruesome images, images of victims lifeless. In this logic will be also useful to know the point of view of journalists accused in this process. Oxygen has sought the director of Telenorba, Enzo Magistà: to have his version of the facts, were posted by time to e-mail some questions that have not yet been answered.

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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 11:39 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Thank you Michael, good news for Meredith's family amid all the publicity for Knox, with the PR machine in high gear building up hype and drumming up stories about Knox's victim hood.

Knox must be very busy these days. She gave an interview to BILD.

BILD meets Amanda Knox, the angel with icy eyes (video)

Her handshake is strangely weak (feeble) + + + She is pale, her voice firm and clear + + + She says: "It was not me"

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Amanda Knox bei Markus Lanz

Why does she sigh so loudly at the end of this interview segment @ 1:39 min (in an interview with Markus Lanz), after saying "I didn't kill"? She just takes a deep breath? Yeah, right. By the way, the interview for the ZDF was taped in the US. She didn't travel to Germany.

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There, she said: "I am as I am, I know what I'm capable of - I did not kill!" Again and again during a conversation, she fought back tears.


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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 11:55 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

dollycat wrote:
I agree she has been well-rehearsed, this AK is a completely different creature - but if you are innocent, why do you need to rehearse? Sophie, Filomena, Patrick or any other innocent person in this case could go on a chat show with less than 5 minutes notice - why can't AK? what is there to think about? The other strange thing for me is I saw somewhere she had said something along the lines of coming to terms with being in prison for a long time if found guilty even though she is not (I'm sorry I can't remember exactly what her words were) - but if you are innocent you would not be able to get your head around going to prison for killing someone when you did not - you would fight to the bitter end any which way you could, prove your innocence any way you can.
And don't even get me started on her talking about going to dance on - oops sorry, visit Meredith's grave - enough, leave the Kerchers alone!

Hope everyone is well.


I am not sure she is that different from what we have seen in court, except her brushed hair and the make-up, of course.

I noticed that Amanda Knox has the habit to quaver her voice during the whole time she speaks to add more drama. She sounds as if she could break down in tears any moment. It is forced, because she's faking it and it is obvious.

I think she has been taught how to express herself, these are not her own words, but that's about as far as the professional advise goes in her case. What we are seeing is the interpretation of Amanda Knox what she believes will sway the public to find her more interesting than the victim. She is still competing for sympathy and after her disgraceful comments about the Kerchers, she clearly lost that battle. In Australian news her "ordeal" wasn't highlighted, the way she addressed the Kerchers was! That's what people think of her.

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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2013 12:03 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Michael wrote:
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And don't even get me started on her talking about going to dance on - oops sorry, visit Meredith's grave - enough, leave the Kerchers alone!


Hi, Dollycat. I feel exactly the same way. I know I've said that I don't think Amanda is sincere about wanting to pay her respects at Meredith's grave, but I also think she would have no problem going to it. To her, it would be a trophy. And Knox is not adverse to trophies...she kept the knife. So, why not add the greatest trophy of all, Meredith's grave, to her collection? But, she doesn't have to do so physically, she's effectively doing so simply by talking 'at' the Kerchers about doing so. And also take the Kercher's last memories of Meredith and replace them with HER last memories of Meredith, seeded in the Kercher's minds? I see this as the sadistic subtext of what she is actually doing. If people doubt me on that, then consider...she's had years to think about what she might say to the Kerchers, not to mention been surrounded by people advising her...people hostile to the Kerchers. We see open hostility to the Kerchers from Knox's supporters and her FAMILY. Recall, not that long ago Knox's own grandmother helped author and signed a letter to Cosmo criticising them for presenting Stephanie Kercher with the Cosmo Woman of the Year Award. If her family and supporters feel that way toward the Kerchers, then why wouldn't Amanda Knox? And there are many here that believe Knox felt resentment and anger toward Meredith and that factored in her murder...why then wouldn't she feel the same towards Meredith's family? Many of us here tend to take inspiration from and model our conduct on those we admire...the Kerchers. Knox's family and supporters, it makes sense to me, would model theirs on the one they admire...Knox. Would they really be so hostile to the Kerchers if they really believed Knox would be against that? And Knox has been free for well over a year now and she clearly hasn't told them to pack it in, so she can't be against it, can she? I don't believe the face value interpretation of what Knox said was what she really meant, but the subtext was what she really intended for the Kerchers. That's how my mind is seeing all this. Knox is calculating. She KNOWS what she's doing.


It was mentioned on .org by someone that Amanda Knox introduced a lot of dialog between her and Meredith and that the quotes didn't seem genuine. I found that argument interesting, because it was noted that the quotes sounded more like something Amanda would say rather than Meredith. We also know that this is the first time Amanda addresses anything to do with Meredith personally. Last thing I remember were Amanda's words in court "In the end, I only knew her for a month. I just want to go on with my life." and "I thought she had menstrual issues, ewww, but nothing to worry about."

Nice to find out now how really close they were!

We already know she is a liar and her behaviour, especially her latest words for the Kerchers, show beyond any doubt that she doesn't waste a thought about either them or Meredith. Her acts speak louder than words.
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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2013 12:06 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

guermantes wrote:
--- snip ---

Quote:
There, she said: "I am as I am, I know what I'm capable of - I did not kill!" Again and again during a conversation, she fought back tears.


--- snap ---


That is not what an innocent person would say. It sounds more like an excuse. "I could swear I didn't do it, but who knows what I am capable of."
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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2013 12:18 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Amanda Knox looks ahead to kids, a happy trip to Italy

WARNING: another video, Knox talks about her passions in life and hopes for the future

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Nell, how was your breakfast today? Hope Knox didn't spoil it for you ...

Amanda Knox: I was defenceless just like Meredith

Exclusive Interview with Amanda Knox on RN Breakfast - ABC Radio National (Australia)

RADIO NATIONAL - ABC

That was it for today (I hope). No more interviews, please.
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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2013 1:06 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Harper Collins being owned by Rupert Murdoch, with ABC news as a cheerleader, you're seeing what a global media campaign looks like, every one. Newscats in Canada and Australia, with reporters reading out press releases from Associated Press? Ho hum.

This is what I have seen over the last 12 years, the propagandas, the lies, it is no coincidence that the same techniques used to promote war and social inequality are used to promote a sociopathic murderer. I see no differencebetween Bush, Obama, and Amanda Knox.

But people now see through the lies, and if we see young people on Occupy Wall Street and Idle No More (a Native Canadian movement) then I have hopes that in the end, there will be justice, and it will come one day, no matter how many books are sold and how many TV shows she appears on.

One could amost feel sorry for her,
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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2013 1:35 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Thanks once again for all of the links. Unbelievable. What I see after watching all of these videos is a woman who appears under great stress. I've said it before. I don't believe her handlers did her any favors, hiding her away these last long months. Whatever their actual intent, she re-entered the world, unprepared for the ever-increasing mass of people who believe she is involved in Meredith's murder. Hideaway meetings on Vashon Island with nothing but rapt supporters were a big mistake. She may have been expecting the world to believe her, love her and support her unconditionally. Obviously, that's not what she is facing.

Vargas talked about the internet posters. Something that needs to be looked at. Does she really believe that the majority of negative posts that follow all of the Knox stories are being generated by a core group of people on three sites who believe the evidence is clear that Knox was involved? I certainly don't intend to minimize the value of the massive amount of volunteer time and effort put out by the three sites, but I think the Knox-Mellas group painted a picture of a small number of 'haters' being the only people who disbelieve the innocence story.

The sheer number of negative comments is staggering. And they are certainly not sockpuppets of our posters.
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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2013 1:54 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

What can I say? Shameless people, telling the victim's family what to think. Beyond insensitive, it is insulting. Heavey...again:

Why some people will never believe Amanda Knox is innocent
By Jamie Skorheim

The Kercher family is locked on the idea that Knox and Sollecito are guilty, says Heavey, and once people have their mind locked on something, it's very hard to change.

"It's a thing called confirmation bias. It's a thing that we all have when we believe something, it's very hard to shake it. It doesn't matter how many facts that you tell them," says Heavey.

"Unfortunately for Amanda, a lot of the world and especially the people in the Kercher family, believe that she's guilty and that's all they've been told over and over. They cannot see the truth of the matter."


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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2013 2:33 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

dgfred wrote:
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From Andrea Vogt's article for the BBC, it appears that ambassador David Thorne visited her three times? Wow. (Ambassador Thorne is Senator John Kerry's brother in law)

Yes, and that only covers the period 2007 - 2009.


Ah... there's that connection. So either brother didn't do his job properly or AK is a lying you-know-what. Guess which? Tough for Kerry if he is still in office at extradition time.

I wonder why Andrea Vogt didn't publish those cables yet. Somebody doesn't want them published? Personally, I don't trust US politics all that much. No matter if one is the others brother in law (or ex?) or not. Just the fact that one guy can boycott the whole thing (extradition) seems strange to me. For now, I am more interested in the SC report and the next appeal trial. I just hope the appeal trials can be scheduled quickly and we don't have to wait years before we know the final outcome.
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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2013 3:04 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Hi, max. Andrea Vogt issued an FOI request but my impression is there are no smoking guns, just what we pretty much already know. @Napia5, do you know what Vargas said about the 'internet posters'? I skimmed through the book at the book store today, and nary a mention of us 'badgerers' :)

But it is a 483 page compendium of the FOA memos, and that's the script every one seems to be following. Looks like it's been scrubbed of everything actionable, though there's lots of Freudianisms to mine. Daddy Knox is a mere appendage, Mom's a 'free spirit', and Lumumba plied her with drinks and she was suspicious of his intentions. Anyone who pays $16 is going to realize, it's all about Amanda.
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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2013 3:10 am   Post subject: JUDGE MICHAEL HEAVEY   

Louiehaha and others, could you copy and cross post the recent Heavey outbursts and activities here in this thread at "Cast of Characters" or let me know if you need help doing that? Thanks.

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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2013 3:52 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

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Nell, how was your breakfast today? Hope Knox didn't spoil it for you ...

Amanda Knox: I was defenceless just like Meredith

Radio Interview with Fran Kelly on Breakfast - ABC Radio National (Australia)

RADIO NATIONAL - ABC

--- snap ---


Now it might come back to haunt me! :D

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Amanda Knox in an interview with Frank Kelly

‘Just like Meredith was unable to defend herself, so was I,’ she told me. ‘I wonder what would have happened if I were there that night. [...]'

Meredith's ghost will follow her like a shadow for the rest of her life. Amanda Knox managed to kill her competition, but she is well aware that she didn't play fair and that she has not come out of this battle victorious. She wants people to start thinking about her and stop thinking about Meredith.


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Amanda Knox in an interview with Frank Kelly

‘I want the Italians to understand that just because I’m in America it’s not like I think that this case doesn’t affect me. It does. I want the Kerchers to know that I didn’t kill their daughter. I want to live free and I don’t want to have this legal drama over my life my entire life. I want to win this and I want to prove that I’m innocent. And I’ve thought about the fact that my presence there would demonstrate this.

This is the same simplistic logic as in "she stayed in Italy to help police". It's not gonna work Amanda. You have lied too many times and then there is also the inconvenient evidence that points directly to your involvement.


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Amanda Knox in an interview with Fran Kelly

‘But what I also have to take into consideration is advice from my lawyers, what the trial is even going to look like. Until we have a motivation from judges it’s hard to say what’s going to be necessary for me to do and what’s going to be right for me to do. So I still have to figure it out.'

In other words, if it is unlikely that she has a good shot to win her appeal, she is going to stay away and fight extradition. In my opinion the most probably outcome. She is only willing to travel to Italy if there is not the snowball's chance in hell to be arrested. She only goes back to Italy if she can use it as PR stunt for her defence and if it is "safe" for her. It's not gonna happen.
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Thanks Nell. I listened to it.

I wanted to add that she claimed to have waited with publishing the book till after the decision of the SC because she didn't want to make it look as if she tried to influence that...lol

Another thing, she confirmed that she did not look into the murder room and used that to explain that she wasn't as upset as Filomena because she hadn't seen all the blood :roll:

ETA: Let me quote that. I think anybody 'normal' would have realized something really bad was going on and would have asked. Not just stand there 'being lost'. She even claims that she is still lost after being told. She just makes it obvious that she knew exactly what was in the room.

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The book contains many startling admissions, including her claim that her inability to weep contributed to her conviction.

‘[I]n that courtyard in front of my house—so in the driveway—there was me, Raffaele [her then boyfriend], Filomena my roommate, and three of her friends,’ she told me. ‘And Filomena, an Italian, was weeping openly, sobbing, wailing, was inconsolable, and I was standing there looking lost.’

‘But one thing that people don't take into consideration is the fact that when that door was broken down, Filomena was there to see what was on the other side. She saw the blood, she saw the gruesome scene, and she screamed. I did not see it.'

‘I could not imagine what she had seen. I didn't know what she had seen.’

‘And so while I was standing there receiving this incomprehensible news that there was a body and then maybe it was Meredith and maybe it was a foot and trying to understand through my boyfriend what the others were saying in rapid Italian, I was lost and I could not imagine what had happened and what was behind that door.’

http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/pro ... ox/4665848


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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2013 4:16 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Thanks ttrroonniicc. Amazon has finally activated the LOOK INSIDE feature for Waiting to be Heard. Now you can check out the chunk of Amanda's story about her slutty adventures in Italy, here is the link:

AMAZON BOOK PREVIEW

It is filled with so MUCH unnecessary detail (going up and down the hills, snacking in cafés), that I found myself skimming through long-winded descriptions.
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Ergon wrote:
Harper Collins being owned by Rupert Murdoch, with ABC news as a cheerleader, you're seeing what a global media campaign looks like, every one. Newscats in Canada and Australia, with reporters reading out press releases from Associated Press? Ho hum.

This is what I have seen over the last 12 years, the propagandas, the lies, it is no coincidence that the same techniques used to promote war and social inequality are used to promote a sociopathic murderer. I see no differencebetween Bush, Obama, and Amanda Knox.

But people now see through the lies, and if we see young people on Occupy Wall Street and Idle No More (a Native Canadian movement) then I have hopes that in the end, there will be justice, and it will come one day, no matter how many books are sold and how many TV shows she appears on.

One could amost feel sorry for her,



Oh come on Ergon.
Where is it that you see Obama promoting social inequality?

One may disagree with violence in any form but to compare him with Amanda Knox, I mean, get real, that is really unfair, he is a man responsible for millions of citizens, those who just so happened to get attacked, the attacks killing people of every religion in 9/11, as well as those who had no religion; the only person Knox is responsible for is herself.

Politics and trying to stop terrorists from blowing people up thus killing Osama Bin Ladin, who stated repeatedly how he wished to kill as many Westerners/Americans as possible, and promoted inciting others to his cause, is absolutely nothing like the issues surrounding and directly involving Amanda Knox.

You mixing apples and oranges this way, I think, is plain stupid, maybe you wish to or could, at least for me if nobody else, clariify what you mean. I really dislike a comment like the one you've made here.
And I know I'm not going to accept what you write now by way of clarification as there is no way to OKAY such a comment.

Why don't you stick to what is what instead of trying to involve things that have absolutely nothing to do with the murder of Meredith?

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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2013 7:02 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

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Hi, max. Andrea Vogt issued an FOI request but my impression is there are no smoking guns, just what we pretty much already know. @Napia5, do you know what Vargas said about the 'internet posters' I skimmed through the book at the book store today, and nary a mention of us 'badgerers' :)

But it is a 483 page compendium of the FOA memos, and that's the script every one seems to be following. Looks like it's been scrubbed of everything actionable, though there's lots of Freudianisms to mine. Daddy Knox is a mere appendage, Mom's a 'free spirit', and Lumumba plied her with drinks and she was suspicious of his intentions. Anyone who pays $16 is going to realize, it's all about Amanda.


I watched the Vargas interview on GMA yesterday morning.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/amanda- ... t-19091005


Toward the end Vargas says something to the effect that if you Google Amanda Knox, you will get 7.1 million hits, many unkind....... She talks about Doug Preston referring to a Witch hunt.

Edited to repair link.


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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2013 9:53 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

max wrote:
Thanks Nell. I listened to it.

I wanted to add that she claimed to have waited with publishing the book till after the decision of the SC because she didn't want to make it look as if she tried to influence that...lol

Another thing, she confirmed that she did not look into the murder room and used that to explain that she wasn't as upset as Filomena because she hadn't seen all the blood :roll:

ETA: Let me quote that. I think anybody 'normal' would have realized something really bad was going on and would have asked. Not just stand there 'being lost'. She even claims that she is still lost after being told. She just makes it obvious that she knew exactly what was in the room.

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The book contains many startling admissions, including her claim that her inability to weep contributed to her conviction.

‘[I]n that courtyard in front of my house—so in the driveway—there was me, Raffaele [her then boyfriend], Filomena my roommate, and three of her friends,’ she told me. ‘And Filomena, an Italian, was weeping openly, sobbing, wailing, was inconsolable, and I was standing there looking lost.’

‘But one thing that people don't take into consideration is the fact that when that door was broken down, Filomena was there to see what was on the other side. She saw the blood, she saw the gruesome scene, and she screamed. I did not see it.'

‘I could not imagine what she had seen. I didn't know what she had seen.’

‘And so while I was standing there receiving this incomprehensible news that there was a body and then maybe it was Meredith and maybe it was a foot and trying to understand through my boyfriend what the others were saying in rapid Italian, I was lost and I could not imagine what had happened and what was behind that door.’

http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/pro ... ox/4665848


Amanda Knox has no imagination and that is why she borrowed this phrase from the Kerchers. They said exactly that in a press conference shortly after the jury had retired to decide over Knox's and Sollecito's fate.
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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2013 10:16 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

guermantes wrote:
Thanks ttrroonniicc. Amazon has finally activated the LOOK INSIDE feature for Waiting to be Heard. Now you can check out the chunk of Amanda's story about her slutty adventures in Italy, here is the link:

AMAZON BOOK PREVIEW

It is filled with so MUCH unnecessary detail (going up and down the hills, snacking in cafés), that I found myself skimming through long-winded descriptions.


I noticed that you can read a few (very few) pages, but you cannot use the search function. I started reading and oh my, what a disaster. Somehow she cannot stay on topic for even one page. That's what it takes her to go from convincing mum and dad to let her go to Perugia to become fluent in Italian and study hard to describing her sexual relationships and her pink bunny vibrator. Boring.
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Quote:
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You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig.


:lol:


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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2013 12:21 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2013 1:32 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

zorba wrote:
Ergon wrote:
Harper Collins being owned by Rupert Murdoch, with ABC news as a cheerleader, you're seeing what a global media campaign looks like, every one. Newscats in Canada and Australia, with reporters reading out press releases from Associated Press? Ho hum.

This is what I have seen over the last 12 years, the propagandas, the lies, it is no coincidence that the same techniques used to promote war and social inequality are used to promote a sociopathic murderer. I see no differencebetween Bush, Obama, and Amanda Knox.

But people now see through the lies, and if we see young people on Occupy Wall Street and Idle No More (a Native Canadian movement) then I have hopes that in the end, there will be justice, and it will come one day, no matter how many books are sold and how many TV shows she appears on.

One could amost feel sorry for her,



Oh come on Ergon.
Where is it that you see Obama promoting social inequality?

One may disagree with violence in any form but to compare him with Amanda Knox, I mean, get real, that is really unfair, he is a man responsible for millions of citizens, those who just so happened to get attacked, the attacks killing people of every religion in 9/11, as well as those who had no religion; the only person Knox is responsible for is herself.

Politics and trying to stop terrorists from blowing people up thus killing Osama Bin Ladin, who stated repeatedly how he wished to kill as many Westerners/Americans as possible, and promoted inciting others to his cause, is absolutely nothing like the issues surrounding and directly involving Amanda Knox.

You mixing apples and oranges this way, I think, is plain stupid, maybe you wish to or could, at least for me if nobody else, clariify what you mean. I really dislike a comment like the one you've made here.
And I know I'm not going to accept what you write now by way of clarification as there is no way to OKAY such a comment.

Why don't you stick to what is what instead of trying to involve things that have absolutely nothing to do with the murder of Meredith?


He is effectively dismantling the American social safety net, just as another president Clinton did, even though 'liked' by liberals. He is a war criminal, as defined by the Nuremberg and International Courts. And he kills a lot more people, unconstitutionally, than Amanda Knox did. Though I suspect it's mentioning Obama that offends you, and I'd just left Rupert Murdoch in you'd have been in full agreement. Now, as you are asking for an explanation, but saying you won't agree with it, while telling me what to write and say because it might offend others, well, I'll say it is apropos, what I said. It is about the power of propaganda to influence people, and that is what we have been kvetching about endlessly here, and what brought me to this forum. Thank you for your concern about what makes this forum 'credible' or not, I am quite aware of that. I disagree with your take on that, and OBL, as a justification to commit murder, and if you don't like what I (occasionally) say, there's this nifty feature where you can ignore, or not have my posts show up on screen?

Beyond that I don't have the time to argue this further.
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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2013 1:50 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Ergon wrote:
zorba wrote:
Ergon wrote:
Harper Collins being owned by Rupert Murdoch, with ABC news as a cheerleader, you're seeing what a global media campaign looks like, every one. Newscats in Canada and Australia, with reporters reading out press releases from Associated Press? Ho hum.

This is what I have seen over the last 12 years, the propagandas, the lies, it is no coincidence that the same techniques used to promote war and social inequality are used to promote a sociopathic murderer. I see no differencebetween Bush, Obama, and Amanda Knox.

But people now see through the lies, and if we see young people on Occupy Wall Street and Idle No More (a Native Canadian movement) then I have hopes that in the end, there will be justice, and it will come one day, no matter how many books are sold and how many TV shows she appears on.

One could amost feel sorry for her,



Oh come on Ergon.
Where is it that you see Obama promoting social inequality?

One may disagree with violence in any form but to compare him with Amanda Knox, I mean, get real, that is really unfair, he is a man responsible for millions of citizens, those who just so happened to get attacked, the attacks killing people of every religion in 9/11, as well as those who had no religion; the only person Knox is responsible for is herself.

Politics and trying to stop terrorists from blowing people up thus killing Osama Bin Ladin, who stated repeatedly how he wished to kill as many Westerners/Americans as possible, and promoted inciting others to his cause, is absolutely nothing like the issues surrounding and directly involving Amanda Knox.

You mixing apples and oranges this way, I think, is plain stupid, maybe you wish to or could, at least for me if nobody else, clariify what you mean. I really dislike a comment like the one you've made here.
And I know I'm not going to accept what you write now by way of clarification as there is no way to OKAY such a comment.

Why don't you stick to what is what instead of trying to involve things that have absolutely nothing to do with the murder of Meredith?


He is effectively dismantling the American social safety net, just as another president Clinton did, even though 'liked' by liberals. He is a war criminal, as defined by the Nuremberg laws and International Courts. And he kills a lot more people, unconstitutionally, than Amanda Knox did. Though I suspect it's mentioning Obama that offends you, and I'd just left Rupert Murdoch in you'd have been in full agreement. Now, as you are asking for an explanation, but saying you won't agree with it, while telling me what to write and say because it might offend others, well, I'll say it is apropos, what I said. It is about the power of propaganda to influence people, and that is what we have been kvetching about endlessly here, and what brought me to this forum. Thank you for your concern about what makes this forum 'credible' or not, I am quite aware of that. I disagree with your take on that, and OBL, as a justification to commit murder, and if you don't like what I (occasionally) say, there's this nifty feature where you can ignore, or not have my posts show up on screen?

Beyond that I don't have the time to argue this further.



Why I said I cannot, as a proviso, agree to what I know youd say, is because to say those things, is just too way out for me Ergon.
How do you propose, considering reality in this present day, to deal with those who respect nobody?

Of course I do not agree with voiolence but by comparing Obama to Amanda Knox, really is ridiculous, that's my view.

And how many more things then do you want to muddle up, why being that into it as though it means nothing to make such a statement.

You are now busy trying to politicize the murder of Meredith Kercher and bringing your own views on those kinds of things into it, that's what I cannot stomach from you.

So you wrote that and expected everyone to say, oh yeah right, as though it was nothing at all that you were saying?

America is America the way it is right now, I do not see Obama, who I have not studied but think I know enough about, as a bloodthirsty, nasty person at all.

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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2013 1:55 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Ergon, you believe in things that I don't, so that's a difference of opinion, I in no way will ever as you do refer to some astrological chart to determine what I think about someone, but apart from thinking that is ridiculous and not having told you so until now, I also am not on about whether it is a Murdoch or an Obama, I'm on about you hijacking Meredith's murder case with things that have absolutely nothing at all to do with it.

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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2013 2:02 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

There still seems to be a current of thought that blames Curt Knox for Amanda's legal and online strategy, and I wondered what evidence there is, except he hired David Marriott? Her book shows how little he is a part of her life, his TV appearance where he sits like a bump while Edda talks, all seem to indicate this as well. Blame all the 'volunteers', the DNA and Legal experts that showed up, the Google-U and the monomaniacal arguments that fueled the debate.

Above all, Amanda Knox is responsible for this, since it was done on her behalf. And she was in full agreement with these strategies.
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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2013 2:17 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

zorba wrote:
Ergon, you believe in things that I don't, so that's a difference of opinion, I in no way will ever as you do refer to some astrological chart to determine what I think about someone, but apart from thinking that is ridiculous and not having told you so until now, I also am not on about whether it is a Murdoch or an Obama, I'm on about you hijacking Meredith's murder case with things that have absolutely nothing at all to do with it.


Actually, you have told me this before, and we move on. But 'hijacking Meredith's murder case'? You tend to over blow a lot of things, I have found, but that's just zorba, and perfectly OK. Obama/Murdoch was a rhetorical point, get it? That some might actually agree with? About sociopathy, and it is every thing to do with this case.

ETA: And politics :)
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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2013 2:25 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Off the cuff opinions don't count for much, because they are just that, opinions. I fixed the link of the Vargas interview above, Amanda and family are being interviewed. I thought it odd that Knox did not sit between her parents.
I watched Edda, interested in her reactions, and came away thinking that Edda truly believes that Knox is innocent.
She admitted that she stays away from the internet, and seems firmly wrapped in a cocoon of wishful thinking and denial. To me she seemed sincere.

I don't have the book. Don't know yet if I ever will, but I am curious about one thing: the acknowledgement list.
We have one posted above, but I cannot tell if this is complete as posted. Anyone want to share? I didn't notice Madison's name.
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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2013 2:33 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

I checked the book yesterday, and it seems the same, Napia5. Plus you can now search the book on Amazon. Madison wasn't in the acknowledgments, but her editor/ghostwriter, Linda Kulich and her family, was. No acknowledgment of her own family, considering they 'went into debt'? I don't even see in the book itself? But in her wish list from prison, what she wanted to do when she got out (at 46 yrs!) it was, "move into an apartment with Madison". Wow.
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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2013 3:00 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

I know we have heard and seen enough of Knox over the last couple of days but still I'd like to post this link to her radio interview broadcast on Radio New Zealand yesterday morning:

Knox proclaims innocence as Italy orders retrial

In her only New Zealand broadcast interview, Amanda Knox told Radio New Zealand's Nine to Noon programme on Thursday that all the DNA evidence from the crime scene points to him {Rudy Guede].

"There is a lot of DNA evidence in this case and it all belongs to Rudy Guede. There is no DNA trace of me in that crime scene."

"And if I committed this murder it would be impossible for me to not leave any trace or to go back and clean up my DNA but leave copious quantities of someone else's."

Amanda Knox also defends the way she acted when Meredith Kercher's body was found.

"I was creeped out by what I experienced, by what I saw, and so I feel like my reaction was normal."

"What I understand people being confused about is as soon as Meredith's body was found how, for instance, my Italian roommate was in the driveway crying and wailing compared to me.

"I was standing there simply looking lost and being hugged by Raffaele ... and I see how that comparison is confusing to people."

Ms Knox also describes her four years spent in an Italian jail and says she knows people still think she is guilty.

"What I want is for people to judge me on the correct information and I want people to understand where I'm coming from. And I hope that in reading my book people will get a better sense of who I am as opposed to how I've been portrayed in the media so far."


RADIO NEW ZEALAND

You can listen to full interview by following the link.

I believe it's necessary to keep track of her numerous interviews, though, personally, I'm tired of her rehearsed answers, to see how her version of events changes over time. I noticed while listening to the Bild interview that her tall tales grow even taller (the same as with Sollecito) and the stories of her abuse by police seem to get 'grander' each time they are told. She says she was "beaten" by police officers during her late-night interrogation; not just "hit in the head" as she claimed before; the two harmless "cuffs" on the back of her head have transformed into severe "beating", and so on. I'm sure she WILL add extra details and produce more 'wild' elements in her changing story as time goes by, because she thinks it makes her more credible, but it does just the opposite.
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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2013 6:28 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

I am 65.35% thru the book. I will share a few impressions....

I first noticed she stays on FOA script and describes all the things just the way they do. The missing pages of her prison diary were apparently torn out by a raging cell mate. ??

She has a way of skirting around the icky parts and the way she does it reminds me of some other notorious killers of our time.

I guess I can describe it as 'Amanda speak', like when she denies something but is not adamant or exact, leaving the window open for speculation and interpretation. It is disturbing, because it suggests editing on deeper levels. What she does not say, says so much.

No matter how much coaching she has endured, she comes thru loud and clear and for that reason I am fascinated to have this look into her mind thru her written word. She has been a tortured soul all of her life. She was unable to read the "How to Fake Being NOT a Sociopath" handbook, so she cannot fake genuine innocence. She cannot fake her emotional distress and I think her family should get her a DR to prescribe a little something to get her thru all these interviews her 'people' are forcing her to do.
I take no pleasure in her suffering, but I do get irritated when I read lies. I also believe the slice of "good Amanda" is really suffering with the knowledge of what her evil twin did. I am pretty sure she had no idea she was capable of this...gotta find out sometime, I guess. I do not find she is the evil genius she has been portrayed as. I think she and Raf and Guede were the perfect storm.

May beautiful Merediths family gain understanding from the media blitz. I did. Sending Love and Light to The Kercher family.
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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2013 6:39 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

guermantes wrote:

"There is a lot of DNA evidence in this case and it all belongs to Rudy Guede. There is no DNA trace of me in that crime scene."

"And if I committed this murder it would be impossible for me to not leave any trace or to go back and clean up my DNA but leave copious quantities of someone else's."

Amanda Knox also defends the way she acted when Meredith Kercher's body was found.

"I was creeped out by what I experienced, by what I saw, and so I feel like my reaction was normal."

"What I understand people being confused about is as soon as Meredith's body was found how, for instance, my Italian roommate was in the driveway crying and wailing compared to me.

"I was standing there simply looking lost and being hugged by Raffaele ... and I see how that comparison is confusing to people."


Well, I'm glad that's all sorted out now. Amanda has very kindly furnished a logical, coherent and (I'm bringing out the big words now) unimpeachable defence of her actions.

I think we can all go home now. I'm certainly convinced. Amanda is innocent. She's all this time been innocent, and this fact was always under our noses. If only we'd listened sooner. Perhaps we didn't really want to listen. Perhaps we didn't really want to hear her. She waited patiently, very patiently all this time, to be heard. Now she has been heard. I for one hear her loud and clear, like a cathedral bell announcing the return of Christ. Roger and out. She's so innocent that the shine on her angel's wings is nearly blinding my eyes.

This creature, this wonderful creature called Amanda Knox is innocent. Not only innocent, but damned innocent. She said so herself. I fervently believe she deserves the benefit of the doubt.

Anyway, this once jaded old hater would like to offer the following recommendation. That Meredith's picture be taken down and replaced by Amanda's picture. That this site from now on be dedicated to supporting Amanda.

Amanda, o sweet Amanda, the one, the only, the real victim in this tragedy.
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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2013 7:42 pm   Post subject: THE DIANE SAWYER INTERVIEW   

It was the long awaited, make or break interview, of Amanda Knox. All the subsequent ones would be measured by this, so I recorded the show, and sat down to watch, rewinding over and over to see the body language, tonal speech differences, facial clues, then with the sound off. Much research has gone into how involuntary tics can be a reflection of a neurological deficit or right/left hemisphere imbalance, but suffice to say, there is something wrong there, and her family is aware of it. Sociopaths and psychopaths can be trained, or train themselves to lie convincingly, and it takes an experienced eye to locate the 'tells'. But Knox, in a nutshell, cannot be trained to hide her reactions.

The following is based on my own perceptions, and opinion.

The interview:

I looked at Knox but also, Diane Sawyer. Knox was unsure and very nervous, understandable for this very first interview. Diane Sawyer was cool and professional, and we know she's been a booster, but something shifted in her almost from the start as Knox said:

"I was stunned by her death"

"She was my friend"

AK's body/facial language said she was lying. She had knowledge of the murder, and no, Meredith was not her friend.

Diane Sawyer (DS):

"Were you jealous of her?"
"Were you angry with her?"

Her language and face shows not sincere denial, but lies.

Amanda Knox (AK):
"I smoked a joint" (First tic, it's scripted. Implying that was all she had, the second tic: a lie.)
"I had never experienced anything that drastic (to fail to remember? Language and eyes show scripting)

DS:
"You said she had her effing throat cut?"

AK:
"I could have been more sensitive". (Drawing on memory, scripted)

DS:
"Did you kill Meredith Kercher"

AK:
"No" (There! Synapses firing rapidly, it's almost like she's having a seizure, unable to follow the script, or lie. the answer is on her face)

In the end, we are left with this image of remorse, of shame, of guilt, as she looks down and her lips quiver. Naked Amanda.

The image I am left with is the open, honest face of Meredith Kercher, as Diane Sawyer ends the show with her picture and her family's words: "Meredith is the victim, and we are still waiting to be heard".
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Off the cuff opinions don't count for much, because they are just that, opinions. I fixed the link of the Vargas interview above, Amanda and family are being interviewed. I thought it odd that Knox did not sit between her parents.
I watched Edda, interested in her reactions, and came away thinking that Edda truly believes that Knox is innocent.
She admitted that she stays away from the internet, and seems firmly wrapped in a cocoon of wishful thinking and denial. To me she seemed sincere.

I don't have the book. Don't know yet if I ever will, but I am curious about one thing: the acknowledgement list.
We have one posted above, but I cannot tell if this is complete as posted. Anyone want to share? I didn't notice Madison's name.


Do you think Curt "truly believes that Amanda is innocent"?
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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2013 8:20 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

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Napia5 wrote:
Off the cuff opinions don't count for much, because they are just that, opinions. I fixed the link of the Vargas interview above, Amanda and family are being interviewed. I thought it odd that Knox did not sit between her parents.
I watched Edda, interested in her reactions, and came away thinking that Edda truly believes that Knox is innocent.
She admitted that she stays away from the internet, and seems firmly wrapped in a cocoon of wishful thinking and denial. To me she seemed sincere.

I don't have the book. Don't know yet if I ever will, but I am curious about one thing: the acknowledgement list.
We have one posted above, but I cannot tell if this is complete as posted. Anyone want to share? I didn't notice Madison's name.


Do you think Curt "truly believes that Amanda is innocent"?


Again, just an opinion. I am of the opinion that he thinks that it 'wasn't her fault', whatever happened. I don't think he sees Knox as a person, a human being separate from him. It's his family, he'll fix it, angry at the intrusion, but the fixer, just the same.
I don't think guilt or innocence is the issue to him. It's responsible or not responsible, as in, it wasn't her idea.
The Vargas interview had me hearing the child's song, "One of these is not like the others." I think the seating arrangement was deliberate. He strikes me as a perfectionist, and controlling, and I'll bet he was never amused by her quirkiness. And Knox probably always sensed his embarrassment.
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Ergon wrote:
--- snip ---

The interview:

...

"She was my friend"

AK's body/facial language said she was lying. She had knowledge of the murder, and no, Meredith was not her friend.

--- snap ---


I don't see no point in rewriting history. There is plenty of witness testimony that proves Amanda Knox and Meredith Kercher lived together, but didn't get along and cause for that was Amanda Knox's erratic behaviour. I can see why, in Amanda Knox's simplistic logic, it is important to her to insist they were indeed friends. She believes it will it make even more unlikely in people's minds that she was involved in her murder. As if a "friend" never killed a friend before. This is ridiculous.

The book and the series of interviews were a very bad idea. O.J. Simpson's "If I did it" comes to mind. Tamale already pointed out that in her book she picks up all the groupies talking points. Nonetheless Amanda Knox confirms in the first two pages that Curt Knox and Edda Mellas don't even talk to each other, despite having two daughters to raise. Bizarre.
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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2013 11:43 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Napia5 wrote:
Again, just an opinion. I am of the opinion that he thinks that it 'wasn't her fault', whatever happened. I don't think he sees Knox as a person, a human being separate from him. It's his family, he'll fix it, angry at the intrusion, but the fixer, just the same.
I don't think guilt or innocence is the issue to him. It's responsible or not responsible, as in, it wasn't her idea.
The Vargas interview had me hearing the child's song, "One of these is not like the others." I think the seating arrangement was deliberate. He strikes me as a perfectionist, and controlling, and I'll bet he was never amused by her quirkiness. And Knox probably always sensed his embarrassment.


I feel the same way, Napia. I do believe that her parents know she was involved, but they don't want her to pay for a crime they believe she wasn't "responsible" for. They want to believe she wouldn't do such a thing, she was just at the wrong time at the wrong place.

In any case, Raffaele's knife being taken to the cottages proves to me that there was premeditation. It was Amanda Knox who wrote in her email Meredith left her menstrual blood in the bathroom. Narcissist don't take criticism very well and the remark in her email home is proof of that. It was payback. She felt resentment towards Meredith because she told her off to leave the bathroom they both shared clean. People have been murdered for less than that.
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Funny how she thanks professors Saul Kassin and Greg Hampikian, and ex-FBI agent Steve Moore in her book, but not Judge Michael Heavey? They all dropped her in the soup. Well deserved kudos to all of PMF and TJMK that made her 'American' supporters activities known to the Italians.


Yes, Kudos all around. Awesome and effective effort. Never gave up...even during the horrible times. hugz-)
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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 2:28 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

I'm watching 'Markus Lanz' right now. For anyone interested, full episode is available at

http://www.zdf.de/Markus-Lanz/Archiv-Markus-Lanz-13088540.html

or Amanda Knox bei Markus Lanz (70 min video)

It has also been uploaded to YouTube:



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Thanks for the link Guermantes!

Markus Lanz is far tougher than any other tv anchor I've seen from the U.S. He has some uncomfortable questions for Amanda Knox, but lets the facts speak for themselves without revealing what side he's on. Despite his questions, he doesn't come across as aggressive, even when he asks about the blood in the bathroom.

Minute 0:02:59: Markus Lanz: "Amanda, ich habe ihr Buch gelesen ... und es ist ein gutes Buch." (Translation: "Amanda, I've read your book ... and it is a good book.")

Amanda Knox's face and body language is so revealing. Like a little child she cannot hide how proud she is. She doesn't say "thank you" though. No manners.

While her whole face beams and she smiles from ear to ear after listening to his early praise, there is a slight nod of assent from Amanda Knox. You have to watch it for yourself.


Minute 0:17:20: Amanda Knox calls the footprint on the bathmat a "small spot". Wow, just wow. She repeats the ludicrous claim she thought it was menstrual blood. Too bad for her that ZDF blends in the bloody footprint on the mat.

Minute 0:18:00: Amanda Knox says she went to the other bathroom to get the hair dryer and saw the faeces in the toilet. According to her narrative it is now that she becomes alarmed!

Minute 0:19:00: Markus Lanz wonders why she wouldn't check if someone was home when she found the blood, she assures him it wasn't that much blood and it didn't seem to her that there was anything to worry about. She also reminds him how she had called out when she stepped into the cottage when she found the front door open.

Minute 0:22:00: Amanda Knox claims she asked the postal police if they were the ones responding to their phone call placed to police. Big fat lie.

Minute 0:23:30: Amanda Knox claims that only after the postal police went into the house and they told them there had apparently been a burglary, they noticed no valuables were missing. That doesn't make sense, because Raffaele Sollecito already told police nothing was stolen during his phone call to the carabinieri and both claim to have made this call before the postal police arrived.

I probably could go on and on, but I will just leave the rest of this interview for another day. I am going to enjoy my family now.


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I watched a bit of Markus Lanz but thought it was rather soft. Especially the part about the interrogation he is very understanding of it. Took so long, hours and hours, blabla. Nothing about the real length of the interrogation till the first statement. Started around 22:45..statement at 1:45. I remember that Knox basically claimed that she was coerced with the help of the interpreter Donnino who only arrived at 00:30. Nothing about her voluntarily 2nd statement at 5:45 either.

Then for the first time I hear her mention Guede. 'He left his fingerprints in her blood.' She then clearly slanders the police that after identifying Guede they knew he was the murderer, but because they had already stated that they closed the case with Knox arrest they just continued with that theory.

Then a good question why Rudy would claim that he, RS and AK know the truth. Long pause. Knox says Rudy said so many things, blabla. He should tell the truth, blabla. She even says she tries to understand him. 'He is very angry and frustrated. He thinks his life is not fair to him. He didn't really know us (AK and RS). Has a history of break-ins and threatening people with knives. It is very clear he did this crime'. She can't even say he is the murderer or he killed Meredith. Instead she says he is guilty of 'this crime'. No anger at all at the murderer of her 'friend'.
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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 9:05 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

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Lumumba plied her with drinks and she was suspicious of his intentions


When did she say this about Patrick?

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Funny how she thanks professors Saul Kassin and Greg Hampikian, and ex-FBI agent Steve Moore in her book, but not Judge Michael Heavey? They all dropped her in the soup. Well deserved kudos to all of PMF and TJMK that made her 'American' supporters activities known to the Italians.


Perhaps Heavey asked not to be included.

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max wrote:
I watched a bit of Markus Lanz but thought it was rather soft. Especially the part about the interrogation he is very understanding of it. Took so long, hours and hours, blabla. Nothing about the real length of the interrogation till the first statement. Started around 22:45..statement at 1:45. I remember that Knox basically claimed that she was coerced with the help of the interpreter Donnino who only arrived at 00:30. Nothing about her voluntarily 2nd statement at 5:45 either.

Then for the first time I hear her mention Guede. 'He left his fingerprints in her blood.' She then clearly slanders the police that after identifying Guede they knew he was the murderer, but because they had already stated that they closed the case with Knox arrest they just continued with that theory.

Then a good question why Rudy would claim that he, RS and AK know the truth. Long pause. Knox says Rudy said so many things, blabla. He should tell the truth, blabla. She even says she tries to understand him. 'He is very angry and frustrated. He thinks his life is not fair to him. He didn't really know us (AK and RS). Has a history of break-ins and threatening people with knives. It is very clear he did this crime'. She can't even say he is the murderer or he killed Meredith. Instead she says he is guilty of 'this crime'. No anger at all at the murderer of her 'friend'.


I watched only the first half hour of the interview. In that time Amanda Knox walks you step-by-step through the morning of the first of November 2007 and despite the anchor's commentary right at the start of the interview he was very neutral, but the questions weren't all softball. His voice was always neutral, so it didn't sound like he doubted her, but the questions he asked pointed to the many red flags and holes in her story.

I had to listen to one part a few times, because the voice over from the interpreter is louder than Amanda Knox's voice so that makes it at times difficult to hear what she actually said. I advise you that the interpreter doesn't always translate accurately. For example when Amanda Knox states that she and Raffaele wanted to watch the movie Amélie, the interpreter says they aired the movie on television and she and Raffaele wanted to watch it. I was at first stunned, because IIRC, Raffaele was downloading the movie and they wanted to watch it once the download had finished. So I listened to that part again, and Amanda Knox only says they wanted to watch the movie, she doesn't say if they had it on DVD, downloaded it as torrent or if it was aired on tv. It is something that the interpreter added.

Markus Lanz had obviously trouble believing that someone would take a shower in a bathroom with blood in it, without having checked the house, especially since she found the front door open. The way she described how she left the house without really being alarmed was also obviously suspect to him, without him explicitly saying that. He just kept asking if he understood that right and then moved on.

When Amanda Knox said she first saw caked blood in the sink when she brushed her teeth and then described how she discovered a "small stain" on the mat when she came out of the shower, the photo of the bathmat was shown in full screen. Ouch. No mention of her bathmat boogie.

I stopped watching at a bit over half an hour. I will definitely watch the rest of it later, but so far the doubt about the veracity of her statements is implied by the questions that are being asked. This anchor is not as accommodating as others we have seen, despite him being friendly. He stays neutral at lets the viewers decide for themselves.

Amanda Knox would never agree to an interview where there is the slightest chance she is shredded to pieces. It had to be subtle. She is too happy to tell the whole world how the blood in the bathroom could have easily been menstrual blood from Meredith and how it didn't worry her, but once she saw the faeces in the toilet, she just knew there was something wrong. The girls wouldn't do that. Menstrual blood, ok, but faeces? No way. She called her mum in panic and Edda gave her the advice to go back to Raffaele's apartment and ask him what he thought about it. That's how she remembers her first phone call to mum. A bit different from what was testified in court, but who cares? People's memory is short, right?

It was disastrous for her so far. Amanda Knox is probably blissfully unaware of this because she is so dull.
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I think the interview wasn't so hard for Amanda, even though the host (ML) kept asking 'critical' questions. She seemed more relaxed with him than with Diane Sawyer. ML's questions were purely factual and Amanda could easily pull out every point she had prepared. It must have been more difficult and stressful for her to answer Diane's questions à la "But do you understand people find it strange you said/did...", because they concern her image/what other people think of her (very important for someone like AK).
With ML she could just say "could you repeat the question, please" (which she did twice) if she needed time to remember. Funnily enough ML didn't even bother to paraphrase, he just repeated what he'd said word by word.
At 1:13:05 and 1:14:59 there is a short evaluation of the interview by himself btw.
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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 4:29 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

jhansigirl wrote:
Ergon wrote:
Lumumba plied her with drinks and she was suspicious of his intentions


When did she say this about Patrick?


Hi, jhansigirl, it's in her book, just defaming him further. Not that anyone brings it up in the scripted interviews, or whether she will be paying Patrick the damages awarded to him. And regarding judge Heavey, I doubt he asked to be left out, when he's been front and center in everything. But he's damaged goods, as is Anne Bremner with her DUI. I notice she didn't acknowledge the FOA either, but haven't received my copy from the library yet :)
Steve Moore, on the other hand, was her bodyguard during her escape from Perugia, so of course she's got to thank him...
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Ergon wrote:
jhansigirl wrote:
Ergon wrote:
Lumumba plied her with drinks and she was suspicious of his intentions


When did she say this about Patrick?


Hi, jhansigirl, it's in her book, just defaming him further. Not that anyone brings it up in the scripted interviews, or whether she will be paying Patrick the damages awarded to him. And regarding judge Heavey, I doubt he asked to be left out, when he's been front and center in everything. But he's damaged goods, as is Anne Bremner with her DUI. I notice she didn't acknowledge the FOA either, but haven't received my copy from the library yet :)
Steve Moore, on the other hand, was her bodyguard during her escape from Perugia, so of course she's got to thank him...


Finished book last night....not one thank you to any of her rabid supporters at FOA. I will repeat, it is her silence about 'things', that speak so loud.
Amanda is paying a high price and will continue to suffer for many, many years...only her reckoning will ease her torment. Everything about this makes my chest hurt, yet, like most of you, I feel the need to see this thru....for Meredith and her family.
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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2013 1:23 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Over on IIP...Bill Williams is irritated (again). KP is calling for a tweet assault on some Italian official. Someone commented that Amanda was an adorable virgin in that soccer pic. (?) that we are all so familiar with.

Over at .org there is a photo of Amandas bruised knuckles after one of her interviews. Of course there is the contrasting before photo, too. Warning: Do not anger Knuckles Knox. There is speculation she punished a wall.
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ABC has uploaded a series of HD clips from the promo interviews they've being doing for Amanda Knox and her family. Better, and more patient people than I can download them here; I posted one before I got tired of the negative energy. But, from the GMA interview, one thing stands out. Curt Knox's hectoring outburst to the Kerchers to 'move on'. To accept that 'Amanda had nothing to do with her murder'. Looking at her angry, dysfunctional, family, I thought: The Amanda falls not far from the tree. Did she really punch a wall after the interview? Hmm, I guess she still feels that way whenever Meredith or the Kerchers are mentioned, and can't even sit next to her father. He abandoned her a long time ago, and is there out of duty and guilt. No wonder, he lashes out at the Kerchers. Implicit in this is the oft repeated slur by the "Friends Of Amanda Knox", that the Kerchers are behind the Perugia Murder File and True Justice For Meredith Kercher sites. No, they are not. We're a group of volunteers who never accepted 'donations' or were paid in any way. AFAIK, none of us have ever met the Kerchers, and while they are aware of and appreciate our efforts, they maintain their dignified privacy by staying above this.
Along with the personal attacks on the Kerchers, which the Knox/Mellases have just shown the FOAK campaign is a mirror of their views, is the demonization of Kercher lawyer Francesco Maresca for speaking up as the voice of the victim, Meredith Kercher, and her family. Clearly, Amanda Knox and her family agrees with this. They appear to be paralyzed by the very American fear that the Kerchers will sue her in civil court so she will not be able to profit from the murder of Meredith Kercher. Btw, according to DS in the first interview, it appears that Amanda Knox did get the full $4 million advance, hence the frenzied PR to try sell as many books as possible before America realizes what a turkey it is. Just watch the face; this is one very sick young woman. And watch the family too.
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http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/ ... son-guard/

ICE QUEEN

She is not normal then and is not normal now. I cannot believe the American media parading her around like a normal all American good girl. Where are the serious questions and answers in these interviews? We are witnessing a complete glossing over of the details. Harry Potter translations all night really? The media should be ashamed of themselves.
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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2013 3:08 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

In case it hasn't been posted here yet.... Amazon author interview: Amanda Knox



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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2013 3:32 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

I guarded Amanda Knox for two years - and she never talked about Meredith... or cried.
She was like an Ice Queen

By Sharon Feinstein
4 May 2013

Today, she is an innocent woman; but to those who were with her in Cappane (sic), she remained an enigma until the moment when, amid turbulent scenes at the Perugia courthouse, she was acquitted.

‘Even when she was released, she didn’t say goodbye to a single person in the prison,’ recalled Antonelli.

‘In my opinion she showed no compassion or sensitivity to others. She just walked out.

'Is that human?’


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Hi everyone,

I just posted (pending approval) on the PMF.org site that I have decieded to start a wiki on the case and requesting assistance. I would like to extend the same invitation here.

Last week I set up a wiki and have been adding information to it. I want to have a well sourced knowledge base on the subject of Meredith Kercher's murder. PMF and TJ are great resources but they are a little intimidating to individuals who are just casually interested. My goal is to present the facts in a condensed format which is easier to digest.

I have been working on it for a week and even though it is quite raw have a basic frame almost finished. This is project that would benefit greatly from additional hands. If anyone is interested in helping please send me a private message.

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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2013 4:01 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Welcome, McCall. You'll find many links (with sources) under various headings here. A Wiki type resource is a great idea! Please post the link to your site when it's ready and I'm sure people will contact you either here or on your site. All the best to you.
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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2013 4:07 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Thank you Ergon.

I didn't post the link originally because it is in bad taste to promote a site on someone else's site even if you are working together for a common cause.

http://themurderofmeredithkercher.com/

That is what I have so far. Like I said it is very raw and needs a lot of work.

I would prefer that if anyone is interested in helping they contact me here or .org under the same username. For fairly obvious reasons I have disabled the ability to create accounts and edit on the wiki. If anyone is interested and they are vetted by your community I will create an account for them.
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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2013 4:31 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Book review:

Waiting to be Heard: A Memoir by Amanda Knox (requires subscription)

Amanda Knox’s account of her trial for the murder of Meredith Kercher in 2007 is intimate but leaves many questions unanswered
By John Follain

This has to be a rarity in the annals of a crime — an account by a “protagonist” who has been convicted of murder and then acquitted, but who remains convicted of slandering an innocent man. And she is now awaiting a retrial for murder. As such, Amanda Knox’s memoir will likely become evidence in court. Small wonder the UK publisher HarperCollins has decided, for legal reasons, not to publish Waiting to Be Heard here, even though it has just come out in America after Knox was paid a reported $4m.


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In other news, it's been reported that at least half of Justin Bieber's followers on Twitter are fake, sock puppet accounts http://blogs.music.msn.ca/2013/04/repor ... -fake.html. That still leaves 17 million that like him. A certain murderess's followers, on the other hand, could comfortably fit into a sports bar (with room for the moose :)
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McCall wrote:
Thank you Ergon.

I didn't post the link originally because it is in bad taste to promote a site on someone else's site even if you are working together for a common cause.

http://themurderofmeredithkercher.com/

That is what I have so far. Like I said it is very raw and needs a lot of work.

I would prefer that if anyone is interested in helping they contact me here or .org under the same username. For fairly obvious reasons I have disabled the ability to create accounts and edit on the wiki. If anyone is interested and they are vetted by your community I will create an account for them.


Thanks, McCall. I checked the site out and some one's already put together an impressive, easily navigable summary of the facts of this case.. I strongly urge the PMF community to support it. PMF and TJMK can benefit from a simple, clearly laid out resource, and so can the media, which I am told find our sites very hard to navigate or make sense of.

But please, vet your contributors, I can imagine some attempts to infiltrate/hack :)
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What Amanda Knox left out of her book

Rome bureau chief Barbie Latza Nadeau says Amanda Knox "glossed over" the night of the murder.



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McCall wrote:
Thank you Ergon.

I didn't post the link originally because it is in bad taste to promote a site on someone else's site even if you are working together for a common cause.

http://themurderofmeredithkercher.com/

That is what I have so far. Like I said it is very raw and needs a lot of work.

I would prefer that if anyone is interested in helping they contact me here or .org under the same username. For fairly obvious reasons I have disabled the ability to create accounts and edit on the wiki. If anyone is interested and they are vetted by your community I will create an account for them.



Fantastic Work McCall
Thank you
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McCall wrote:
Hi everyone,

I just posted (pending approval) on the PMF.org site that I have decieded to start a wiki on the case and requesting assistance. I would like to extend the same invitation here.

Last week I set up a wiki and have been adding information to it. I want to have a well sourced knowledge base on the subject of Meredith Kercher's murder. PMF and TJ are great resources but they are a little intimidating to individuals who are just casually interested. My goal is to present the facts in a condensed format which is easier to digest.

I have been working on it for a week and even though it is quite raw have a basic frame almost finished. This is project that would benefit greatly from additional hands. If anyone is interested in helping please send me a private message.

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I'd like to volunteer

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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2013 7:54 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

A lengthy article by Megan Nicol Reed, who interviewed Knox on Radio New Zealand on 2 May. She has become an avid fan of Knox, advocating her innocence. A miraculous transformation of another feminist journalist: blame it all on misogyny, it's that damned simple!

The sorry tale of Amanda Knox
By Megan Nicol Reed

And now I've read her book, Waiting to Be Heard. And on Thursday morning, on the eve of the book's publication in New Zealand, I spoke to the now 25-year-old on the phone. And I am sure she is innocent. A victim of a most heinous miscarriage of justice.

Now I'm ashamed, as a journalist and as a feminist, that I was sucked in by the spin of a media hungry for lewd news, by the misogyny of a culture where traditionally women are either Madonna or whore, and there is no place for anyone in between.

I know, too, that one person's "quirky" (as Knox's friends describe her) is another person's deviant (as the Italian police, then the prosecution and finally the media would tar her).


http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/8633191/The-sorry-tale-of-Amanda-Knox
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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2013 8:33 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

More uninformed nonsense:

Sexism and the Single Murderess
By Frank Bruni
Op-ed columnist

“SEX game gone wrong,” “sex game gone awry,” “sex-mad flatmate,” “sex-crazed killer.”

That’s from just the first three minutes of the ABC News special on Amanda Knox last week, a veritable drumbeat of sexual shaming that leaves no doubt about what elevated a college student accused of murder into an object of international fascination, titillation and scorn.

It wasn’t the crime itself. It was the supposed conspiracy of her libido, cast as proof that she was out of control, up to no good, lost, wicked, dangerous. A girl this intent on randy fun was a girl who couldn’t be trusted and got what was coming to her, even if it was prison and even if there was plenty of reason — as the eventual reversal of her initial conviction made clear — to believe that she might not belong there.


THE NEW YORK TIMES SUNDAY REVIEW

"It wasn’t the crime itself." - huh-) - Believe it or not, Mr. Bruni, it was the crime itself. Killing someone is a heinous crime, "sex game gone wrong" or not. Who cares about Knox's sexcapades?

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Keep the rest of her story the same but make her a man in the midst of erotic escapades abroad. Are we still gawking? Is ABC trumpeting Diane Sawyer’s exclusive sit-down with the lascivious pilgrim?


Sollecito is just as guilty, and he is a man, and Katie Couric interviewed him, too.

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guermantes wrote:
A lengthy article by Megan Nicol Reed, who interviewed Knox on Radio New Zealand on 2 May. She has become an avid fan of Knox, advocating her innocence. A miraculous transformation of another feminist journalist: blame it all on misogyny, it's that damned simple!

The sorry tale of Amanda Knox
By Megan Nicol Reed

And now I've read her book, Waiting to Be Heard. And on Thursday morning, on the eve of the book's publication in New Zealand, I spoke to the now 25-year-old on the phone. And I am sure she is innocent. A victim of a most heinous miscarriage of justice.

Now I'm ashamed, as a journalist and as a feminist, that I was sucked in by the spin of a media hungry for lewd news, by the misogyny of a culture where traditionally women are either Madonna or whore, and there is no place for anyone in between.

I know, too, that one person's "quirky" (as Knox's friends describe her) is another person's deviant (as the Italian police, then the prosecution and finally the media would tar her).


http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/8633191/The-sorry-tale-of-Amanda-Knox



I should shut up right here, guermantes. I feel another post-post feminist rant coming on. I know, I know. women should be free to explore their sexuality. No one should bat an eye when young women, on spring break get half-drunk, expose their breasts on camera and we all smile and say, "Girls will be girls, gone wild or not." We should never again hear the word 'rape' or see it in the news that a young woman was sexually abused on film, and it was tweeted halfway round the world. Shouldn't ever happen. Women are free. No one should ever have to counsel a young woman to be careful, to be concerned for any danger. Give a strange guy your ATM number while you're at it. You should be free to trust every single person you come in contact with. Can't see me ever saying it, to anyone.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, and again, and again, if necessary. Some behavior is destructive, dangerous in fact.
Going off, alone with a stranger, no matter what your intent, when you are a young woman alone in a country, where, by your own admission, you barely speak the language, IS DANGEROUS. Sexuality be damned. You're not safe. Natalee Holloway wasn't safe, was she? Should have been, but plainly wasn't. And I for one am sick to death of people telling me that I'm old fashioned because I don't smile and say, "Go ahead, you're free to do what you want, smoke or snort what you want, because everybody's doing it, nothing should happen." And I'm sick to death to see young people who read it and believe it.

There are bad people out there and they come in all ages. AND YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL. By the same token, a man should be free to walk out of a bar in any big city, whether it be Detroit or London or Philadelphia, half-drunk with hundred dollar bills sticking out of his pockets, and feel safe enough to walk down any dark street he choses. But, guess what? He's not.

By her own admission, Knox left her younger sister alone in a hotel room, while she went off with a stranger. Was her sister safe? Is this part of exploring your sexuality? Is this really what any reasonable feminist considers trying your wings?
Not in my neck of the woods, not ever. Call me old fashioned, call me narrow-minded, I really don't give a rat's ass. There has to be limits. Somewhere.
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McCall wrote:
Thank you Ergon.

I didn't post the link originally because it is in bad taste to promote a site on someone else's site even if you are working together for a common cause.

http://themurderofmeredithkercher.com/

That is what I have so far. Like I said it is very raw and needs a lot of work.

I would prefer that if anyone is interested in helping they contact me here or .org under the same username. For fairly obvious reasons I have disabled the ability to create accounts and edit on the wiki. If anyone is interested and they are vetted by your community I will create an account for them.


Congratulations McCall! I see that you have received 515 hits already! Much interest!
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Napia5 wrote:
Congratulations McCall! I see that you have received 515 hits already! Much interest!


That is just people from the two PMFs (and obviously some of the Knox supporters). I haven't submitted the wiki to Google yet because it is still needs a lot of work. I've been getting some good response to my request for volunteers so with help it will get done quickly. Once it gets to a more polished form I'll start the SEO. I feel getting a first page ranking should be possible.
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McCall wrote:
Napia5 wrote:
Congratulations McCall! I see that you have received 515 hits already! Much interest!


That is just people from the two PMFs (and obviously some of the Knox supporters). I haven't submitted the wiki to Google yet because it is still needs a lot of work. I've been getting some good response to my request for volunteers so with help it will get done quickly. Once it gets to a more polished form I'll start the SEO. I feel getting a first page ranking should be possible.


This will be a great addition to help digest the facts simply. Newcomers probably want the facts more so than the opinions.
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PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2013 2:38 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Dear newcomers / new readers of this site,

instead of reading Knox's fairy tales, entitled Waiting to be Heard, please consider downloading and reading the Judge Massei Motivations Report (First Degree Verdict) from here:

http://www.perugiamurderfile.net/viewtopic.php?p=53735&f=10#p53735

I'm attaching it below for your convenience:

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It is almost as long as Knox's book, but is much more captivating and interesting to read. Start on page 65 if you like and read forward, and you'll see that Knox wasn't arrested and charged because she was 'quirky' or behaved strangely after Meredith's murder.

Amanda Knox’s Account ............................................................................65
Inconsistencies and denials in Amanda Knox’s tale ..........................................77

Investigators uncovered several lies, inconsistencies and contradictions in Knox's story, between her statements and statements from witnesses. You have to see the case in its entirety to get a true feeling for what happened and what the investigators were seeing. Everything stacked up. All those lies and inconsistencies -- that's what led the investigation.

Wenn you are done, please read the Hellmann-Zanetti report of the Appeals Court and the Galati-Costagliola Appeal to the Supreme Court of Cassation, which can be found in the Legal Context subforum here:

http://www.perugiamurderfile.net/viewtopic.php?p=99761#p99761 ,

and make up your own mind about this complicated murder case. Don't let Knox, her PR shills and ill-informed journalists brainwash and mislead you.

Join us in our fight for justice for Meredith Kercher, the real victim of this tragedy. r-((


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PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2013 2:48 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Tom Kington's review of Waiting to be Heard:

Waiting to Be Heard: A memoir by Amanda Knox – review
By Tom Kington

The compelling drama at the heart of Knox's account of her incarceration is more than fodder for online obsessives

During my months in Perugia covering the case, local magistrate Giuliano Mignini – Knox's chief accuser – told me wistfully he was convinced he had come extremely close to squeezing a confession out of Knox during one tense interrogation session in jail, only for her lawyers to jump in and stop the questioning.

Now Knox gives her side of the story, accusing the magistrate of bullying her into making one slip-up after hours of aggressive questioning while she was trying to convince him of her innocence.

"In Mignini's hands, everything was distorted and bent to seem like more evidence of my guilt, and I was devastated," she writes.


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PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2013 3:17 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

CNN is er, interviewing Amanda Knox Tuesday, May 07 @ 10:00 PM EST tomorrow: CNN She looks very angry.

This 'online obsessive' will be watching CBS's "Golden Boy" instead. One of my favourites, strong cast, great writing.
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PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2013 3:43 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Amanda Knox's Memoir will be discussed on "Kulturmontag" (weekly culture television magazine) on ORF channel (Austria), tonight at 22:30.

"Kulturmontag" ("Culture Monday") deals starting from 22.30 in #ORF2 with the case and the memoirs of Amanda Knox

"Kulturmontag" has read the memoirs and asks what makes this murder case so fascinating.

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PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2013 4:22 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Book Review
Waiting to be Heard – Amanda Knox
By unavitavagabonda

All in all, Waiting to be Heard is neither especially gripping nor notably eloquent, but it does bear all the earmarks of having been edited with extreme precision. Given that the publisher paid Knox $4 million, it’s not surprising that they took good care with her book, nor is it surprising that a manuscript that must have passed through the hands of a dozen lawyers on both sides of the Atlantic is both frustratingly vague (about matters that matter a great deal) and oddly detailed (about matters that are essentially trivial).


UNA VITA VAGABONDA
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PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2013 4:34 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Dr Jef McAllister - Libel Lawyer at London-based law firm McAllister Olivarius speaks with Eamonn Holmes about libel issues surrounding the UK publication of Amanda Knox's recently published book.

SkyNews Sunrise, May 5, 2013



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guermantes wrote:
Book Review
Waiting to be Heard – Amanda Knox
By unavitavagabonda

All in all, Waiting to be Heard is neither especially gripping nor notably eloquent, but it does bear all the earmarks of having been edited with extreme precision. Given that the publisher paid Knox $4 million, it’s not surprising that they took good care with her book, nor is it surprising that a manuscript that must have passed through the hands of a dozen lawyers on both sides of the Atlantic is both frustratingly vague (about matters that matter a great deal) and oddly detailed (about matters that are essentially trivial).


UNA VITA VAGABONDA


Exactly my impression of the interviews.
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PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2013 5:03 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

The system hates a slut: the Amanda Knox story
By Emma Young

THE SYDNEY MORNING HERALD

Amanda Knox's memoir on trial
By Olivia Cole

Not "Foxy Knoxy" after all, but "Annoying Amanda". The sad fact remains that that is either the truth, or what the author and her family would very much like you to think. Waiting to be Heard is either a slightly stupid book or a very clever one that knows simplicity is the best defence. There is also, it has to be said, the question of how much help Knox had with the manuscript and indeed making her version cohesive? Though she is now studying creative writing (her original ambition back in 2007) and the book appears under her name alone, a Huffington Post journalist is credited fulsomely in her notes of thanks: "I wouldn't have been able to write this memoir without Linda Kulman. Somehow, with her Post-It notes and questions, with her generosity, dedication, and empathy, she turned my ramblings into writing, and taught me so much in the meantime. I am grateful to her family - Ralph, Sam, Julia - for sharing her with me for so long." Again, if she had serious help in making her version water-tight, this is - again - a naive piece of information to have included. Her lawyers, of course, are thanked too and doubtless would have gone through this text with a fine tooth comb.


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My favorite single fail of the entire week of 'getting to know her' through the interviews is the point where Diane Sawyer asks her about the clean-up. Explaining that the police claimed she cleaned her DNA from the crime scene.
Knox pauses, then says something to the effect that, first, that's impossible. You can't see DNA.
She would have done much, much better if she had said, "I don't know who cleaned up. I don't even know if someone did clean up. But it wouldn't have mattered, because there was nothing there of me to clean up. I wasn't there."
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PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2013 10:25 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Just tweeted by Andrea Vogt an hour ago:

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A few key #amandaknox #FOIA records & letters from my case files now posted publicly for the first time: http://thefreelancedesk.com/?front_featured=factcheck-waiting-to-be-heard



From the article:

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I am also releasing two handwritten letters from my own case files (which contain both official court documents as well as documents I have obtained that were not necessarily entered into evidence) that Amanda Knox wrote to her lawyers from jail. The first letter ( First Knox Letter to Lawyers Nov9 )was written around noon on Friday, Nov., 9, just days after her arrest. The second letter ( Second Knox Letter to Lawyers Nov9 ) was penned a little over three hours later, to give more details. The letters reveal some discrepancies with the memoir. For example, in letter 1, Knox says she looked through the keyhole of Meredith’s locked door and could see her bed, with Meredith’s purse on it. In Chapter 6 of her memoir she said she tried to look through the keyhole, but saw nothing. In the letter she describes the “bathmat shuffle” in which she scooted on the bathmat with the bloody footprint into her room, then brought it back. This is not referenced in the memoir. In the letter, she says she and Raffaele were in the kitchen when Meredith’s door was broken down, but her description in chapter six of memoir makes no reference to being in the kitchen. She tells her lawyers the police “gave me time” to write a statement, while in chapter 11 of her memoir she says the police officer said “you’d better write fast.”
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PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2013 10:29 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Brief summary of tomorrow's CNN interview.

Knox is now parroting the same line as Steve "there's no evidence" Moore.

Amanda Knox: 'There's no evidence against me'

Amanda Knox says she's scared to return to Italy to face a new trial nearly six years after her study-abroad roommate's slaying. But she's considering it.

"In Italy," she told CNN's Chris Cuomo, "people think it's arrogant of me to sit here in the United States and have a book come out and to defend myself."

"First of all, I find that incredibly unfair because I have the right to defend myself. And no one can ask me to just shut up because it's convenient," she said. "But at the same time, I want to prove to them that I care about what's going on."

Knox spoke to Cuomo about the case in a wide-ranging interview set to air on CNN Tuesday night.

"I find it incredible that despite an absolute lack of evidence that connects me to this murder, I am still being judged based upon unrealistic and unreasonable expectations about how a young woman would react to a horrible situation. No one knows how they would react to a horrible situation until it happens to them," she said. "I have cried. I have been angry. I have been scared. And these were all things ... that I have shown, that have come out of me."

"There's no evidence against me," she said. "There is nothing that links me to this murder. I am not present at the crime scene. I am just not."


CNN
CNN PRESS ROOM

That's why it's so important to read the Massei Report and understand that there IS evidence against Knox. If she thinks that saying the same thing a hundred times can make her nightmare go away, she is WRONG.

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“Amanda Knox: The Unanswered Questions” Airs Tuesday, May 7th at 10pm ET on CNN


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PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2013 11:01 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

Italians ask: Can Americans get away with murder?
By Barbie Latza Nadeau, for CNN
May 6, 2013 -- Updated 2104 GMT (0504 HKT)
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/05/06/world ... -italians/

"It could be years before a final decision is reached in the Knox case, and undoubtedly Knox's legal team would fight extradition on every level if her conviction is upheld. In the meantime, Italians assume Knox will never set foot in Italy again, whether she is ultimately found responsible of Kercher's murder or not.
"She will never come back here, whether she should legally or not," the Kercher family lawyer Francesco Maresca told CNN. "There are too many case precedents that clearly show America does not easily surrender its criminals.""

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Amanda Knox dubbed 'The Ice Queen' -- Does this indicate guilt?
May 6, 2013 By: Chelsea Hoffman
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"Amanda Knox has famously been known for acting awkward and saying awkward things over the course of her ridiculous saga. Most recently she voiced that she'd like to visit Meredith Kercher's grave someday. The UK Mirror shares this hard-to-stomach detail, as well as the clip of Foxy Knoxy dramatically voicing her version of the story in a recently televised interview. It probably wasn't the best thing for Knox to say considering Meredith's family still strongly believe that she was involved in the girl's murder."
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PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2013 11:44 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

I just had the thought that we might have to discuss this case for many years to come...

I notice that posters bring up many good questions and observations. I am actually astounded by some of the insightful discussion, and as I witness the evolution of the conversation...I think to myself, someone could bring up a seemingly insignificant point that will blow everything apart for the defense. That will just make every moment of pain worth it. rip)

I lost two friends this week and another one will be gone within hours, and I began to wish for the parents of Meredith to know we will not give up, even if they should leave this material plane, and I would like them to find a measure of comfort from that.

hugz-) hugz-) Thank you, Bettina
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PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2013 1:37 am   Post subject: Re: XXVII. MAIN DISCUSSION, MARCH 29 -   

I am truly sorry for the loss of your friends, tamale.

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PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2013 3:09 am   Post subject: ANOTHER SCOOP FROM ANDREA VOGT   

Andrea Vogt has Amanda's handwritten letters to her lawyers from the evidence file, never released before. Also some embassy cables from her FOI request: http://thefreelancedesk.com/?front_feat ... o-be-heard
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Barbie Nadeau on CNN



http://edition.cnn.com/2013/05/06/world/europe/knox-americans-italians/index.html
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