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XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31, 12 - MARCH 29, 13 (S)

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 6:19 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

It's 7:19 am in Italy. Less than three hours to go.

Countdown To Supreme Court Verdict in Meredith Kercher Case
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 6:34 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:21 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

You're on your game, Nell. :) And Ava as well. Thanks. I apparantly have a twitter account..but don't know how to *twit *.

Hoping Michael is OK. More than anything..FEELING for the Kerchers. I hope to G-d that the Judges aren't giving the verdict tomorrow..( so as to make it LOOK like they're giving this * due consideration *.

Is it too much to ask that they grow some balls...and right Hellman's wrong? Yeah..I know. I'm a bit cynical..after the last fiasco. I do know this. Thinking of murdering someone? Do it in Italy. You won't find a Juan Martinez there...You can lie in Court ( it's expected) and..apparantly..if you have a well oiled Publicity machine..well..you're scot free. I will say..The Kerchers behaved so impeccably..so quiet and dignified. I almost think that if they had created some hoopla...did even 20% of what the Knox/Mellas clan did..would it have made a difference?

Forza Italia. Do the right thing. Btw..I didn't like that a Judge spoke curtly to the Prosecution. wtf)

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:37 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

The clock that Clander posted on .org shows the exact time in Rome. It's 8:35 am in Italy right now. We're almost there...

http://www.perugiamurderfile.org/viewtopic.php?p=128712#p128712

It's a bit confusing with all the time zones + DST.

Oh, and it's Raf's birthday today. He gets a fitting birthday gift, I hope.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:06 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

54 minutes left ....
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:12 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

1.11 am here. Waiting..and hoping.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:14 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

First tweet of the day from

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:22 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

They like to put it out there that the two will face a new trial, this is false information, shows a total lack of understanding too; if the appeal is nullified then a new appeal is normal practice.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:25 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

And, you KNOW the Italians will not be on time :(

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:29 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

capealadin wrote:
1.11 am here. Waiting..and hoping.


I feel for you. Yesterday I had the same problem. I went to bed around 4:30 am. Today the time suits me better. It is 7:30 pm where I live.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:34 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Live stream Sky Tg24:

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:42 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Candace Dempsey tasteless as usual:

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Hear screams and cheers when #AmandaKnox acquitted in 2011. Same tomorrow?... http://fb.me/20VlKcwg1
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:46 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:51 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Nell wrote:
Candace Dempsey tasteless as usual:

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Hear screams and cheers when #AmandaKnox acquitted in 2011. Same tomorrow?... http://fb.me/20VlKcwg1
7:13 AM - 26 Mar 13



Yes, and Dempsey with her special counseller, the violent Sfarzo oh how they cheered, I thought she wanted to marry him, now he's a fugitive wanted in Italy and America for assault charges, and nobody except those around Knox know where he is, it seems, or maybe his girlfriend who so bestowed praise upon the, in her eyes, highly esteemed violent attack artist, invited him over to stay in her basement!!! NO?

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:59 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Nell wrote:
Candace Dempsey tasteless as usual:

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Hear screams and cheers when #AmandaKnox acquitted in 2011. Same tomorrow?... http://fb.me/20VlKcwg1
7:13 AM - 26 Mar 13


Candace Dumpsey ( NOT a typo) should remember that the screams were of OUTRAGE when Knox was acquitted.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 9:00 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Nell wrote:
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1.11 am here. Waiting..and hoping.


I feel for you. Yesterday I had the same problem. I went to bed around 4:30 am. Today the time suits me better. It is 7:30 pm where I live.


You're appreciated, Hon.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 9:02 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

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Hi Guermantes,

Thanks for the link, I thought this time there wouldn't be any live transmission? So far everything is black. The session hasn't started yet.

Even worse, I have to leave for half an hour.

All the best to the Kerchers. They have been through so much. Hopefully the court will make the right decision.
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Yes!!
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 9:02 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Retrial!
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#amandaknox acquittals have been anulled by the #cassation
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 9:03 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Big sigh of relief. What a wonderful news.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 9:04 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Victory! ghu-))

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Breaking: high court has anulled acquittals and a retrial has been ordered in #amandaknox case.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 9:05 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 9:06 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Ava wrote:
Yes!!


If nothing else..The Kerchers shine a light on what class REALLY is. Heartbreaking...they've been ignored. Why don't people realize it takes real strength to keep quiet?

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 9:07 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 9:08 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Twitter explodes with messages. I've lost count.

Thank you, Italy's Supreme Court!
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#amandaknox acquittal thrown out, back to original conviction. Retrial in Florence. Shock in courtroom.

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#amandaknox not required to attend retrial.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 9:11 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Let's hope that Sollecito's actions, the accusing all kinds of people in his book, all of which were clearly false accusations, ones even his own father had to deny, where he even puts his own lawyers down, together with the very act of writing a book in the first place when you still have to go to the Supreme Court, influences their thinking, e.g., that this guy really does need sorting out.

All I know is that if it were me judging, and even though there were selected parts that I ought to look at, obviously in order to get to a real opinion one would still need to look at a lot of other things in order to decide what it is you are doing, I would certainly have taken all of those things, like Knox calling her mother, Sollecito's weird calls to the police and his accusing the police, the prosecutors and his lawyers of wanting to make a deal to GET THE KNOX and then in return set him free as a reward, as a most serious indicator as to the probability that the things ascertained about him in the first trial were indeed true, and all fit in with his character. This is then a guy who would accuse anyone in the world then think that everyone should believe him to be some kind of innocent, fantastic, globetrotting man, hey, look London, hey look New York, can be summed up as: I do whatever I like.

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Five judges and one lay judge ruled on #amandaknox high court appeal.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 9:12 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Hooray oh wow, fantastic, they've gotten it right.

Wonderful news, and thank heavens.

I´m off to Italy tomorrow and it would have been sour had it gone the other way

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Breaking: high court has anulled acquittals and a retrial has been ordered in #amandaknox case.


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#amandaknox acquittals have been anulled by the #cassation

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 9:14 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

And I must say, that stupid excuse for a judge Hellmann, I really wonder what the hell he was up to and who it was writing to him, yes, those in Seattle and the Fur guy

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 9:15 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

NOW...Guede needs to TALK !! Let the truth come out. I am so thrilled.

Oh, I can now get some sleep. Even through the gnashing of teeth. :) From certain quarters. Ha.

Zorba..cyber drinkie? Another shot at Justice. There is a G-d.

We all need to send a donation..no matter how small to the Meredith Fund. Because their fight for Justice for their daughter is starting anew. th-)

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 9:15 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

And F Knox with her book too
not to even speak of trhe detestable liar Sollecito

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 9:21 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Justice for Meredith

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 9:22 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

capealadin wrote:
NOW...Guede needs to TALK !! Let the truth come out. I am so thrilled.

Oh, I can now get some sleep. Even through the gnashing of teeth. :) From certain quarters. Ha.

Zorba..cyber drinkie? Another shot at Justice. There is a G-d.

We all need to send a donation..no matter how small to the Meredith Fund. Because their fight for Justice for their daughter is starting anew. th-)



God you are on the ball, as I had to recheck the time as I feel like uncorking the Champagne I bought for the New Year.

Anyway, everyone is welcome to a cyber glass of it

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 9:22 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Didn't Knox say she would love to be back in Italy? Riiiight. And Raf? He can put his Tango dips to good use in prison.

Knox can now spend some of her $$$$'s on her defense. That's fair. After all, her $$$'s have been gained in the worst way.

FORZA ITALIA !!

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http://www.ilmessaggero.it/PRIMOPIANO/C ... 0879.shtml

Meredith, annullate le assoluzione di Amanda Knox e Raffaele Sollecito
La Cassazione: processo da rifare a Firenze. Accolta la richiesta del pg


"The Supreme Court therefore upheld the appeal of the pg that sought the annulment of the judgment of second instance in which they were acquitted two former boyfriends "because the crime does not exist." The new appeal trial for the murder of Meredith Kercher will be held in Florence.

The Court of Cassation dismissed the appeal instead of against Amanda was sentenced to three years' imprisonment for defamation against Patrick Lumumba, the man she accused of the crime. The sentence becomes final. Knox has already fully served his sentence."
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This is such a relief, the feelings one had, fear that this would be wiped away and them then forever sneering and lying, so awful to imagine.

And the dumb guy who calls himself an expert, well I don't know how he personally is going to fight anything seeing as how he speaks not a word of Italian and has nothing to say in Italy, he can dream

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It's important then..to remember..that Knox did NOT spend her time in Jail for a crime she didn't ( DID) commit. She was rightly in Jail for destroying an innocent man.

Oh..and Candace....there are screams right now. They're for VICTORY. Idiot.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 9:29 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Goodnight BonGiorno

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 9:31 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

The decision in that appeal that released them was SO WRONG

and now we have that FACT in writing and word by the Highest Court

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Buona Notte , Bongiorno.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 9:33 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

What happened with the other appeal by the way. The one by the defense?
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Ok, I am reading 'complete retrial'. It would make some sense if everything has to be redone.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 9:36 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Well, folks - I have stayed away from all boards during this 'legal breathtaking'. I also stayed away from this board because I seemed to have created discord when none was intended. I believe this board, just like IIP (gasp!) has many members who are honest, decent folks but have have different opinions on those issues that matter in our own lives.

I cannot count on your tolerance for a difficult renegade like me, but, upon reflection, hope you will show the generosity you have shown before. I have, with others, shown my willingness to expose the charlatans surrounding this case. It has cost me dearly. So, Zorba, take a deep breath and be willing to acknowledge that I paid a price for my convictions. Generosity of spirit indeed does pay the highest dividends. Once you reach my age, I will be long gone but you will understand. Keep your spirit, but loose your anger. There is far too much humor hidden in you.

Now, to immediate matters. I have not changed my views regarding guilt or innocence, but am writing this BEFORE the the supreme court issues it's ruling to make it clear that I am following my own conscience, not some current trend. So, I hope that the court clears Sollecito and Knox and finally removes the stench surrounding this case. I never could understand why Guede was always treated so 'gently' by the members of this board.

There are a LOT of good people here. You constantly give to other members and everyone is better for it. I like that, IA does not DO that. Too bad. You are good people who just think differently than I do. It does not diminish either group. I think it's called 'tolerance'. Look it up in the dictionary if you must. It's a good thing!

I thank you for your patience and, if you disagree, at least we managed to remove the odious 'Sfarts' (TM).

I wish all of you well. Peter
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 9:37 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

capealadin wrote:
It's important then..to remember..that Knox did NOT spend her time in Jail for a crime she didn't ( DID) commit. She was rightly in Jail for destroying an innocent man.

Oh..and Candace....there are screams right now. They're for VICTORY. Idiot.



Oh dear, now how will she reemploy her little boy the abuser, Mr Sfartz, where is the guy when ya need him she says, click click click with her 1953 camera she inherited, peeping around doors and holding them open for Meredith's family while totally trying to help to destroy their lives by writing lies with one aim, to get rich quick herself, she is a useless excuse for a human being to have done those things and that my friends is as clear as day.


Agent Demps: Oh Frank, oh Frank, come back, all is forgiven, I need you, I want to write my second award winning book that nobody ever heard of, I pay you good money, many American, clueless fascists racists will help support you, how's mom

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Barbie Latza Nadeau ‏@BLNadeau 4m
Media circua redux #amandaknox #meredithkercher http://yfrog.com
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What happened with the other appeal by the way. The one by the defense?


I think it's in the messaggero article, max.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 9:41 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Any comment/statement from the Knox/Mellas family?

"Harassment by the prosecutors, Supreme Court justices", etc?
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Ava wrote:
max wrote:
What happened with the other appeal by the way. The one by the defense?

I think it's in the messaggero article, max.

Thanks I missed that. I thought they ordered that everything had to be redone, but they confirmed that one. Big ouch for the defense. That is over and out then with that one confirmed. Yeah I am smiling :mrgreen: Sun coming through right now. Justice for Meredith Kercher!
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 9:50 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

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RT @BLNadeau: Kercher lawyer says family of Meredith very pleased with decision to throw out acquittal of #amandaknox and #sollecito
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guermantes wrote:
Any comment/statement from the Knox/Mellas family?

"Harassment by the prosecutors, Supreme Court justices", etc?


I can hear them already victimizing themselves, it'll be like before, probably.

Abc seems to think there is no danger:
"It does not mean that Knox would be back in an Italian prison any time soon. She would not be required to return to Italy for the trial and if she is convicted again, that ruling would be appealed up to the Supreme Court. More legal proceedings will be necessary to extradite Knox to Italy. Experts do not believe such an effort would be successful."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/italy-high-cou ... d=18809434


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Just about to head into a meeting for five hours (such is life!) but I was determined to find five mins to post a note which says WHAT FANTASTIC NEWS! First of all - good vibes and thoughts to the Kerchers and to Meredith for this is epic news for them. To Knox & Sollecito - turns out that you can't buy justice after all. I genuinely thought this was going to be it and they would get off in a Casey Anthony like manner, but it turns out there is justice for Meredith coming after all. Sooooo, this book deal? Proceeds of crime act anyone now that Knox and Sollecito are convicted murderers again? Also, +2 internet points, £50 and a 6 pack to the first UW student to get a tweet up their resident newly reconfirmed sex killer.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 9:58 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

BBC is quoting Knox as saying

BBC Breaking News ‏@BBCBreaking 7m

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Nobody wrote:
Well, folks - I have stayed away from all boards during this 'legal breathtaking'. I also stayed away from this board because I seemed to have created discord when none was intended. I believe this board, just like IIP (gasp!) has many members who are honest, decent folks but have have different opinions on those issues that matter in our own lives.

I cannot count on your tolerance for a difficult renegade like me, but, upon reflection, hope you will show the generosity you have shown before. I have, with others, shown my willingness to expose the charlatans surrounding this case. It has cost me dearly. So, Zorba, take a deep breath and be willing to acknowledge that I paid a price for my convictions. Generosity of spirit indeed does pay the highest dividends. Once you reach my age, I will be long gone but you will understand. Keep your spirit, but loose your anger. There is far too much humor hidden in you.

Now, to immediate matters. I have not changed my views regarding guilt or innocence, but am writing this BEFORE the the supreme court issues it's ruling to make it clear that I am following my own conscience, not some current trend. So, I hope that the court clears Sollecito and Knox and finally removes the stench surrounding this case. I never could understand why Guede was always treated so 'gently' by the members of this board.

There are a LOT of good people here. You constantly give to other members and everyone is better for it. I like that, IA does not DO that. Too bad. You are good people who just think differently than I do. It does not diminish either group. I think it's called 'tolerance'. Look it up in the dictionary if you must. It's a good thing!

I thank you for your patience and, if you disagree, at least we managed to remove the odious 'Sfarts' (TM).

I wish all of you well. Peter



Listen Nobody, keep your charity, I have not thought about you at all, don't try that one on with me, do not patronise me, you did what you did I did not do it because I'm not you, but you keep trying to gain leverage by leaning on others, I see you as someone who did indeed help support what to my mind are murderers, that's your bag, not mine and I have nothing to do with it, I am angry because a girl was murdered and those that did it appeared to be getting away with it, now what you made of it all, I cannot imagine, but I think you need to reexamine your thinking, because you were so wrong and you went far supporting what is, as you know, a multiple abuser, I was willing to show you friendliness but you kept making digs, like snide digs at people, one of which was towards Cape, so on that account Peter, in all friendliness you old self proclaimed wise one, P off.

Listen Peter, I appreciate that you did speak up when you realised how wrong you had been, but God, did you need to almost get your brains battered in by Sfarts before you were able to wake up.
I expect to wake up to the guilt of the pair you'd need first to invite Sollecito around and have him murder your daughter or someone you know in front of you before you woke up properly.

Don't try to put me in some kind of box with your politeness on the one hand while pulling the rug out from under my feet with the other, I´m a forgiving person who has thought intensely about the concept of it and why it is necessary, but showing forgiveness ought not turn a person into a blithering gullible chimp, what I detest about your behaviour here was we showed that we would show kindness to you but you were like a kid drunk on lemonade and started trying to deduct from your own sense of having done wrong by blacking other people trying to make them look wrong, and to me, that is the height of bad manners, like you just don´t learn, there´s no fool like an old fool

You would still be welcomed, including by me, but instead of trying to lecture others, take a real look at yourself, you have no right at all to be lecturing or advising anyone, not on the grounds you approach things from, I say this because you've earned no real respect, simply seeing you were wrong because some guy you foolishly lavished with money who then almost beat you up does not make you some kind of a hero Peter. And change your dumb name, cut the shite Sfartz loose, why in the world would you use that negative name here, contrary to what you may imagine, I think you owe yourself better than that and to use that name forever associates you with the past and with Sfartz, you using that stupid name, tells me you have self esteem issues, why not call yourself Mr Jones



Anyway to work I go hi ho, and, Knox will finally be able to get over waiting to speak, she´ll get an opportunity in court but will not take it, aye, that all makes sense doesn't it readers, she was so in need of talking but never wanted really to speak, more like spin.

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This is fantastic news! The acquittal is annulled!
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Miss Knox said it was "painful" to have the acquittal overturned, but was "confident" in the truth.

In a statement released shortly after the decision was announces, Miss Knox said the Perugia prosecutors' theory of her involvement in the murder is "completely unfounded and unfair."

"No matter what happens, my family and I will face this continuing legal battle as we always have, confident in the truth and with our heads held high in the face of wrongful accusations and unreasonable adversity," she said.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 10:19 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Some more of it:

Knox's lawyer, Carlo Dalla Vedova, said she was "incredibly sad" when he broke the news to her.

"I believe that any questions as to my innocence must be examined by an objective investigation and a capable prosecution. The prosecution responsible for the many discrepancies in their work must be made to answer for them, for Raffaele [Sollecito's] sake, my sake, and most especially for the sake of Meredith's family. Our hearts go out to them. No matter what happens, my family and I will face this continuing legal battle as we always have, confident in the truth and with our heads held high in the face of wrongful accusations and unreasonable adversity," she added.

(abcnews)

(this doesn't sound like her, does it? More like Ted...)


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 10:20 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Bruce Fischer has not found the time yet to update his front page, but he has made a public statement on his forum:

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Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito are innocent. The support will not waver. The fight will go on.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 10:26 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Rome Court Overturns Acquittal of Amanda Knox
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Mr. Sollecito has been living in Verona, where he is getting a degree in computer engineering. He did not come to the hearing on Monday.

“He didn’t want to get caught up in this mob scene, he didn’t want to be here,” said his father, Francesco Sollecito, who was present at the hearing with his wife.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 10:33 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Hi Nell,

I popped over to the IA forum for a second and they seem distraught at the news. They bet their money on the wrong horse(s) by backing the two murderers.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 10:34 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

zorba wrote:
And F Knox with her book too
not to even speak of trhe detestable liar Sollecito


I wonder what is going to happen with her book now? Will Harper Collins still publish despite the legal consequences this could have? If I remember correctly, she wanted to write about her prison life and how she coped with the pressure, so I guess the book is full of empty accusations against cellmates and prison staff who said in interviews she was filthy and self-centered.

I am sure Sollecito's book will be under intense scrutiny. It was dumb to publish the book before the Supreme Court ruling, but it was probably a preemptive move to publish his book before Knox.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 10:47 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Nell, I've resized your screen shot to fit within the forum margins so it can be viewed without horizontal scrolling. As a result, the image has shrunk a bit. I hope it's ok.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 10:48 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

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Hi Nell,

I popped over to the IA forum for a second and they seem distraught at the news. They bet their money on the wrong horse(s) by backing the two murderers.

ss)


Well, Bruce Fischer and other supporters made a big mistake by propagating the idea that Amanda Knox will not be extradited if ultimately convicted for the murder of Meredith Kercher. Who will keep on fighting for her if they all believe her save in the U.S.?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 10:48 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

There is more:

Andrea Vogt wrote:
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The cassation court also rejected #amandaknox request to overturn slander conviction and ordered her to pay 4K in legal fees.
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guermantes wrote:
Nell, I've resized your screen shot to fit within the forum margins so it can be viewed without horizontal scrolling. As a result, the image has shrunk a bit. I hope it's ok.


Thank you Guermantes. I always forget. Sorry zorba!
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 10:52 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

So the Cassation court rejected Amanda Knox's appeal for her conviction of calunnia, but accepted the appeal of the prosecution. That means the calunnia conviction will stand, she cannot appeal it anymore. That's bad news all around for Amanda Knox.

Dan Abrams twitters that the U.S. will under no circumstance extradite her, even if ultimately convicted of the murder of Meredith Kercher:

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I do not belive #amandaknox will be extradited even if her conviction is upheld but it could be a big fight.
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Ava wrote:
Some more of it:

Knox's lawyer, Carlo Dalla Vedova, said she was "incredibly sad" when he broke the news to her.

"I believe that any questions as to my innocence must be examined by an objective investigation and a capable prosecution. The prosecution responsible for the many discrepancies in their work must be made to answer for them, for Raffaele [Sollecito's] sake, my sake, and most especially for the sake of Meredith's family. Our hearts go out to them. No matter what happens, my family and I will face this continuing legal battle as we always have, confident in the truth and with our heads held high in the face of wrongful accusations and unreasonable adversity," she added.

(abcnews)

(this doesn't sound like her, does it? More like Ted...)


My thoughts exactly. Everyone who has read her writings knows she cannot string two sentences together.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 10:56 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Andrea Vogt wrote:
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No extradition unless formal request is made after a definitive conviction (appeal conviction upheld by high court). #amandaknox
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Andrea Vogt wrote:
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Sorry, cannot keep up with flood of #amandaknox inquiries. My story in @seattlepi.com. Con calma, I will try to get to all questions.
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Good morning, all. What a blessed sense of relief. Italy has done the right thing for Meredith. She has not been forgotten. They have righted the wrong that was Hellman. My thoughts are with the Kerchers. The road ahead is still a long one. May God give us all the strength to walk it with them.
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Imagine this new situation in case Raffaele Sollecito and Amanda Knox will be convicted for Meredith's murder: Raffaele Sollecito is an Italian citizen and doesn't enjoy the same protection as Amanda Knox being an American - in case it should turn out to be true that the U.S. will not extradite her after a conviction.

Raffaele Sollecito would go to prison for a very long time, Rudy Guede is in prison as well, while the instigator sits in the U.S. without suffering any consequences for her actions. Raffaele Sollecito cannot and will not keep his mouth shut. If I were Amanda Knox, I would be really scared of the future ahead of me. No media campaign can spin what might come out of Sollecito's mouth.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 11:17 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

New pic of Knox and her "Orange Pants" boyfriend in the Daily Mail. Here's a surprise: she wears glasses now (to look smarter, maybe?) Ignore the rest of the article. ;)

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 11:22 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Nell wrote:
Raffaele Sollecito cannot and will not keep his mouth shut.


Yes, but he is 'honor bound", remember? :mrgreen:

He'll sacrifice himself to save her (*tongue in cheek*).
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 11:24 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Well good morning all. I have to catch up. Its Sollecito's birthday and mine too. Happy Birthday to me!!
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Another statement from Bruce Fischer trying to focus on the positive side of the cancellation of Amanda Knox's acquittal.

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I was wrong. I have been confidently declaring for the past 17 months that the Italian Supreme Court would confirm Hellmann. I will say that I am surprised by the ruling. Talking with others close to the case has led me to realize that the ruling may actually work to bring more finality to the case in the long run.

The appeal in Florence will most likely include a third party review of all evidence. This would solidify the innocence of Amanda and Raffaele, leaving no doubt that they had absolutely nothing to do with Meredith's death. The ruling today may also help Meredith's family find closure after the facts are made crystal clear in Florence.

The dust is just starting to settle and there are many unanswered questions regarding today's ruling. We will see celebration on the pro-guilt sites but of course that is to be expected. We would have done the same here if the ruling had gone in our favor.

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New pic of Knox and her "Orange Pants" boyfriend in the Daily Mail. Here's a surprise: she wears glasses now (to look smarter, maybe?) Ignore the rest of the article. ;)

DAILY MAIL



It's an old joke by now, but I almost can't believe he's still and always wearing these pants...
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Happy B-day, malvern!
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The defense attorneys made the exact statements they should. It's their job.

If there is a retrial with Sollecito only present, it's probable he will 'remember' facts he chose not to divulge earlier.
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Annullata l’assoluzione accordata in Appello ad Amanda Knox e Raffaele Sollecito
martedì, 26 mar 2013 - 12:34
http://www.corrieredelgiorno.com/2013/0 ... ito-34761/

Dalla Vedova says he will defend Amanda on appeal.

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"It 's a sad birthday today Raffaele. I wanted to give him the good news but the annulment of a judgment of acquittal is not 'even a sentence "emphasize the defense of Raffaele Sollecito, defendant in the trial for the murder of Meredith Kercher. In particular the lawyer Giulia Bongiorno explains that at this point "'ll make the process at 360 degrees. And then ask the expert also on the spots of blood found in the house of the crime on the lower level. " It was said that the blood stains were a cat.
For its part, the other lawyer, Luca Maori denounces "the media process" around each other. It explains why the father of Raffaele Sollecito, Francesco, who last late into the evening awaited judgment in the Supreme Court today did not exist. "The father of Raffaele-says-Maori wanted to escape from the process media."
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 11:58 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

malvern wrote:
Well good morning all. I have to catch up. Its Sollecito's birthday and mine too. Happy Birthday to me!!



A Very Happy Birthday and many happy returns of the day Malvern.


E, Sollecito, no, penso no, compleanno shitta, and good job

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Since this ruling, will the trial against AK's parents go forward, too?
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Another statement from Bruce Fischer trying to focus on the positive side of the cancellation of Amanda Knox's acquittal.

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I was wrong. I have been confidently declaring for the past 17 months that the Italian Supreme Court would confirm Hellmann. I will say that I am surprised by the ruling. Talking with others close to the case has led me to realize that the ruling may actually work to bring more finality to the case in the long run.

The appeal in Florence will most likely include a third party review of all evidence. This would solidify the innocence of Amanda and Raffaele, leaving no doubt that they had absolutely nothing to do with Meredith's death. The ruling today may also help Meredith's family find closure after the facts are made crystal clear in Florence.

The dust is just starting to settle and there are many unanswered questions regarding today's ruling. We will see celebration on the pro-guilt sites but of course that is to be expected. We would have done the same here if the ruling had gone in our favor.

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IMO, Bruiser is full of s**t. His Injustice in Perugia site takes more daily hits and receives more comments than any of his others combined. Since there has now been a decision, the Paypal button will remain standing there for months and years to come. That was the entire point anyway, wasn't it?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:01 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

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Another statement from Bruce Fischer trying to focus on the positive side of the cancellation of Amanda Knox's acquittal.


No wonder he is known as an incurable optimist, with an emphasis on "incurable." ;)
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:13 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Carlo Della Vedova looks and sounds disappointed.

Knox's lawyer 'we're ready to fight' (video)

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:15 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

The Bard has posted a beautiful picture of Meredith, Stephanie and Arline. Is it possible for someone to capture it and bring it here? Beautiful.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:15 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

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Imagine this new situation in case Raffaele Sollecito and Amanda Knox will be convicted for Meredith's murder: Raffaele Sollecito is an Italian citizen and doesn't enjoy the same protection as Amanda Knox being an American - in case it should turn out to be true that the U.S. will not extradite her after a conviction.

Raffaele Sollecito would go to prison for a very long time, Rudy Guede is in prison as well, while the instigator sits in the U.S. without suffering any consequences for her actions. Raffaele Sollecito cannot and will not keep his mouth shut. If I were Amanda Knox, I would be really scared of the future ahead of me. No media campaign can spin what might come out of Sollecito's mouth.



I see the invites already being posted in pink paper with a little bow, come stay in my bunker, they may even kidnap the guy should he enter the states, but, is the globetrotting over and can a guy convicted of murder really gain legal entry to the US of A or Canada.. or... most other places too?

I did hear there's a job going in North Korea, that'd make a good career in Korea, me, I like a Korea girl, anyway, yes, him under lock and key, 25 years, will he still wish to pretend to be a hero after another year of that, yes, prison, no, I agree Zorba, no he will not, he will freak out especially when they start calling him Esmerelda and keep following him into the shower.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:17 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Hey Peter, cease and desist from sending me PMs, they are not welcome from you, anything you have to say to me, write it right here, I'm deleting whatever it is you sent, you are getting on my nerves

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:17 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

RS has done very publicly rejected overtures to AK to remain friends. I predict now she will be the one who makes the overtures to make sure he correctly 'remembers the facts' as would benefit AK.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:22 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

guermantes wrote:
Carlo Della Vedova looks and sounds disappointed.

Knox's lawyer 'we're ready to fight' (video)

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yes we know that about you dad and your own aggression and hot-headed temperament perhaps plays a part in all of this, that combined with your River called Denial

Dad wants to fight.. what's new

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:23 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

What a sense of relief for the Kerchers, I hope they can get some answers. :D
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:38 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

rome court determines sanity, physical laws still apply

I just got death in perugia / darkness descending in the post
not reading them linearly

one book says a drug involved was CRACK. will report on it. Would be pretty sure given Sollecito and even Sollecito/Knox reported reputation in Perugia, that hard drugs were involved. Also, recently, Knox confirmed the Marie Pace story/letter/attempt at influencing Sollecito in court was written by her. Reference to the night and hard drugs in that.

strange that one book reports the kokomani account but doesn't report him recounting banging (signalling) from the house. I'm sure he's said that twice, once in court (how many times was he in court). and also in the TV interview.

Will Sollecito be dragged back into court? I heard a rumor that Knox/family have stated that she'll never go back.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:38 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

I wonder if the ruling will cause the Universities of Washington and Verona to reassess the enrollments of Knox and Sollecito, as they're provisionally convicted of murder and sexual assault.

Perhaps the young coeds that were harassed by Bruce Fischer et all will take some form of action to make this a reality.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:48 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Emerald wrote:
RS has done very publicly rejected overtures to AK to remain friends. I predict now she will be the one who makes the overtures to make sure he correctly 'remembers the facts' as would benefit AK.

Could he still throw her under the bus. He's tried a few times. Bongiorno kept his case and the case of Knox separate. Soll. remaining in Italy; it's all about saving his skin now. Could get ugly. Finally Sollecito on the Stand? He was kept off the stand in the initial trial/appeal because it was too dangerous for his defence to have him and Knox testifying.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:53 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

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INTERESTING (on TG1 RAI, Italian national TV)
Girlfriend of Sollecito said he is destroyed .... she also said he finished with university they have taken an apartment in Lugano and going to live there.

Lugano is in Switzerland. Raff perhaps wants to be ready to flee.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:13 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

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Another statement from Bruce Fischer trying to focus on the positive side of the cancellation of Amanda Knox's acquittal.

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Post by Bruce Fischer » Tue Mar 26, 2013 5:21 am

I was wrong. I have been confidently declaring for the past 17 months that the Italian Supreme Court would confirm Hellmann. I will say that I am surprised by the ruling. Talking with others close to the case has led me to realize that the ruling may actually work to bring more finality to the case in the long run.

The appeal in Florence will most likely include a third party review of all evidence. This would solidify the innocence of Amanda and Raffaele, leaving no doubt that they had absolutely nothing to do with Meredith's death. The ruling today may also help Meredith's family find closure after the facts are made crystal clear in Florence.

The dust is just starting to settle and there are many unanswered questions regarding today's ruling. We will see celebration on the pro-guilt sites but of course that is to be expected. We would have done the same here if the ruling had gone in our favor.

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IMO, Bruiser is full of s**t. His Injustice in Perugia site takes more daily hits and receives more comments than any of his others combined. Since there has now been a decision, the Paypal button will remain standing there for months and years to come. That was the entire point anyway, wasn't it?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:19 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

A new article from Barbie Nadeau: The Daily Beast: Amanda Knox's acquittal overturned - What's next?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:21 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Napia5 wrote:
The Bard has posted a beautiful picture of Meredith, Stephanie and Arline. Is it possible for someone to capture it and bring it here? Beautiful.


Here it is.


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Thank you, Nell. Just beautiful.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:30 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

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NOW...Guede needs to TALK !! Let the truth come out. I am so thrilled.

Oh, I can now get some sleep. Even through the gnashing of teeth. :) From certain quarters. Ha.

Zorba..cyber drinkie? Another shot at Justice. There is a G-d.

We all need to send a donation..no matter how small to the Meredith Fund. Because their fight for Justice for their daughter is starting anew. th-)


Only now we see why he hasn't... he will be close to getting out when the other two start their 20-30 years. Pretty good lawyering IMO.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:43 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Wonderful news and the without doubt the correct decision. Thoughts are with the Kerchers.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:44 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Ted Simon - nervous and stuttering - can't seem to stop talking about the "legal landscape".

Lawyer: Knox charges 'simply unfounded' (video)

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As usual hard to listen to, he basically repeats what Ms Bongiorno and Dalla Vedova said.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:58 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

louiehaha wrote:
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Girlfriend of Sollecito said he is destroyed .... she also said he finished with university they have taken an apartment in Lugano and going to live there.

Lugano is in Switzerland. Raff perhaps wants to be ready to flee.



I hear he is looking for that guy/father that hid his own daughter in the cellar for years and fathered multitudes of kids with her, he reckons he'll be safe there, it's in Austria

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 2:03 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

That is a very touching photo, in days when they were all happy, this picture shows that wonderfully kind, intelligent look in Meredith's eyes.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 2:05 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Nell wrote:
Ava wrote:
Some more of it:

Knox's lawyer, Carlo Dalla Vedova, said she was "incredibly sad" when he broke the news to her.

"I believe that any questions as to my innocence must be examined by an objective investigation and a capable prosecution. The prosecution responsible for the many discrepancies in their work must be made to answer for them, for Raffaele [Sollecito's] sake, my sake, and most especially for the sake of Meredith's family. Our hearts go out to them. No matter what happens, my family and I will face this continuing legal battle as we always have, confident in the truth and with our heads held high in the face of wrongful accusations and unreasonable adversity," she added.

(abcnews)

(this doesn't sound like her, does it? More like Ted...)


My thoughts exactly. Everyone who has read her writings knows she cannot string two sentences together.



One thing I don't understand...The Kercher family is obviously pleased with the SC ruling and has always indicated (more or less) that they think AK and RS were involved in the crime. How can AK or TS still patronize them in that way? It is as if they don't even take them seriously.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 2:06 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

RS went through the entire trial and incarceration believing he was championing AK. The only reason he would have traveled to Seattle was because he still had a belief in the fairy tale of Amanda and he being lifelong soul mates.

Why not? AK had been his 'first' and wrote letters while incarcerated promoting the myth.

I've always believed Amanda left Raffaele's that night looking for a party. She thought she would be working that night, so was in the frame of mind to 'party'. He was in the mindset of quiet alone time, so was geared down to relax.

IMO, Amanda not returning to be tried, leaving Raff to take it on alone, is the closest truth of the crime will be known. Raff cowers when face to face with Amanda for some reason. Her presences also gives him strength to face down the Prosecution's case. Alone, head to head with the Prosecutor and under the stress of the questioning, Raff will break.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 2:19 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Andrea Vogt ‏@andreavogt 30m
#amandaknox now has a murder conviction, but under Italian law she is considered innocent until there is a definitive conviction.
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Italian court orders new trial for Amanda Knox
Updated: 7:00 a.m. Tuesday, March 26, 2013 | Posted: 6:57 a.m. Tuesday, March 26, 2013
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"She (Guilia Bongiorno) acknowledged that perhaps the appeals court ruling had been "too generous" in ruling that the pair simply did not commit the crime, but was confident that Sollecito's innocence would be affirmed."
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Knox could be extradited.

The US and Italy brought an extradition treaty into force in 1984, when Ronald Reagan was president.

The treaty obligates each country to extradite anyone charged with or convicted of an extraditable offence - or any offences punishable under the laws of both countries by a jail sentence of more than one year.

Italy must provide the US with specific documents to demonstrate they have "probable cause to believe" that Miss Kercher was murdered and Knox committed the offence.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/amanda-knox-retrial-meredith-kercher-1786035
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Hi, all, I was in Cassazione 1st Sezione Penale Aula all day yesterday, from 10:00 AM to after 9:00 PM last night. (well, I missed 15 minutes over lunch :) and then again this morning to get the announcement at 10:05 AM.
Amanda and Raffaele Sollecito go back to trial in Florence. It will be a new trial, and the appeal judge will decide what evidence is to be considered. Conceivably, even the knife will be retested, and the C&V report will be only one item of evidence. Knox must pay Patrick Lumumba 4000 euros, and that decision is final. (I have the official court document on that decision, all other rulings may take up to several weeks to be posted, or, as the kind lady in the public relations office explained, who knows when?)

I also was in Perugia for all of last week, to see, with fresh eyes, what I could see.

I had some internet difficulties, but will be posting on my trip over the next few weeks. And, there is more to come.


I thought it was important to go to Italy and be present for the ruling, so I went. I did it not just for myself, but to be there on behalf of all of you here at both PMF's. But today, my thoughts go to the Kerchers, and for Meredith, justice has finally, been served. RIP r-(( r-(( r-((
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 3:39 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Hi, Ergon. Can't wait for your take on things. I have one question I'm really anxious to ask.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 3:42 pm   Post subject: I'M IN ROME   

In case any one was wondering how I got into court (some people said that wasn't possible) then here's the letter I received from Cassazione:

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Con riferimento alla Sua richiesta di accredito per assistere all’udienza del 25 marzo 2013 relativa al procedimento PG c/Amanda Knox si comunica che, a norma dell’art. 147 comma 1, Disp. att. Cod .proc. pen., il presidente del collegio d’udienza ha autorizzato l’accesso in aula senza riprese televisive.

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So, I knew I'd be reporting from inside the court room for more than a month now.
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Ergon, that's great you're there! I'm very curious to hear how you experienced the SC hearing...
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 3:50 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

It was exhilarating, Ava, to see justice done. Details will follow once I gather thoughts. And photographs once I get home.
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Ergon wrote:
It was exhilarating, Ava, to see justice done. Details will follow once I gather thoughts. And photographs once I get home.


On second thought, I'm not waiting to ask. Did you try to climb into the window?
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Wow it was a brave decision IMO and now the work begins for the prosecution to step up their game and present this case with extreme organization and detail.

Praying for justice for Meredith and her beautiful family. Two murderers living their life as if nothing happened is beyond sickening. To this day I cannot comprehend how people blindly support Amanda and Raffaele.

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Nope , but thanks for asking, Napia 5 , no way that Guede could have thrown that rock the way it is said to have been thrown from the parking area (the angles are all wrong, imo) nor could he have climbed, perched on the ledge, and manipulated the latch through the broken glass.

Btw, the monkey lawyer, s I unkindly named him after his pic appeared in Sollecito's book, was sitting in front of me in court.

The cottage gate is barred, and I wasnt going to intrude on the family that lived there.
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Ergon wrote:
Nope , but thanks for asking, Napia 5 , no way that Guede could have thrown that rock the way it is said to have been thrown from the parking area (the angles are all wrong, imo) nor could he have climbed, perched on the ledge, and manipulated the latch through the broken glass.

Btw, the monkey lawyer, s I unkindly named him after his pic appeared in Sollecito's book, was sitting in front of me in court.

The cottage gate is barred, and I wasnt going to intrude on the family that lived there.



Seeing it first-hand must have been a difficult experience.
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Emerald wrote:
Since this ruling, will the trial against AK's parents go forward, too?


I believe so. The logjam of trials awaiting this decision has now been broken.
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guermantes wrote:
The clock that Clander posted on .org shows the exact time in Rome. It's 8:35 am in Italy right now. We're almost there...

http://www.perugiamurderfile.org/viewtopic.php?p=128712#p128712

It's a bit confusing with all the time zones + DST.

Oh, and it's Raf's birthday today. He gets a fitting birthday gift, I hope.


The astrology said he'd lose, but I wasn't going to argue the point :)

Full moons have taken place at significant negative points for the lovebirds.
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Looking forward to your reports Ergon. Thanks.
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Nell wrote:
Candace Dempsey tasteless as usual:

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She should ask her BFF Frank Sfarzo, who was there in court Yesterday. Today, nowhere to be seen, but it was exceptionally crowded for the verdict. But thje answer is, there was a shocked silence. The judges came in, and delivered their decision in less than 60 seconds by my count. Followed by earnest huddles of the lawyers around the court. Bongirno looked like she would cry, and Luca Maori vfery subdued. Brave faces all around, but they get paid, so whjat the heck.
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Hi all,

I'm usually over at .org but I thought I'd stop in to give you all some high-fives on the SC ruling today in Italy! It's so great!

There are never any "happy days" in this case, but days like today make one grateful that justice can still be served in this old world of ours!

I love ttrroonic's way of sardonically expressing it:

"rome court determines sanity, physical laws still apply"

LOL :)

And thanks to Nell for posting that gorgeous picture of Stephanie, Meredith, and Arline. May I copy it over on .org, please?

I don't see Michael here today, but I wanted to say hi to him as well!!! To all here, thanks for being here for Meredith!
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 4:43 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Ergon,

Am I reading correctly, Sfarts was in COURT, huh???

Therefore he must be dealing with his misdoings and keeping quiet about it.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 4:48 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

malvern wrote:
Well good morning all. I have to catch up. Its Sollecito's birthday and mine too. Happy Birthday to me!!


Happy Birthday, malvern! All the best to you, and none to the other fellow.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 4:51 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

guermantes wrote:
Any comment/statement from the Knox/Mellas family?

"Harassment by the prosecutors, Supreme Court justices", etc?


The Mellas family should stop harassing prosecutors and journalists doing their jobs.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 4:52 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Earthling wrote:
Hi all,

I'm usually over at .org but I thought I'd stop in to give you all some high-fives on the SC ruling today in Italy! It's so great!

There are never any "happy days" in this case, but days like today make one grateful that justice can still be served in this old world of ours!

I love ttrroonic's way of sardonically expressing it:

"rome court determines sanity, physical laws still apply"

LOL :)

And thanks to Nell for posting that gorgeous picture of Stephanie, Meredith, and Arline. May I copy it over on .org, please?

I don't see Michael here today, but I wanted to say hi to him as well!!! To all here, thanks for being here for Meredith!
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Hi, Earthling. I found the picture on .org, posted a few pages back by The Bard.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 4:53 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

guermantes wrote:
BBC is quoting Knox as saying

BBC Breaking News ‏@BBCBreaking 7m

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Amanda Knox: "Theory of my involvement in Meredith's murder has been repeatedly revealed to be completely unfounded and unfair"


By her paid experts, of course. That's why we have courts, to sift facts from shite.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 4:54 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

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Hi, Earthling. I found the picture on .org, posted a few pages back by The Bard.

Oops! I guess I missed that one! Thanks, Napia!!!
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 5:04 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

all the time the weather has been atrocious here, then today the appeal gets thrown out and coincidentally, all day here has been like a summer's day, blue skies, lovely.

Meredith will never be seen again on this planet, for those who did it to her, to get away with it, would be such a terrible injustice.
There are some wicked people on this globe, after all, the injustice is towards Meredith, and in no way against anyone else.

If I had done nothing, and got out of prison, I'd have been everywhere, and there would be no acting, I'd make it clear and it'd be easy to do so, Knox invisible person, Sollecito visible yet invisible at the same time, in the sense of what he had to say (nothing), everything he ever uttered was totally meaningless, spineless and all the rest of it, completely unconvincing, always.


So where are those unspeakably disrespectful people in Seattle now with their childish fingers stuck up?

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 5:05 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

zorba wrote:
Ergon,

Am I reading correctly, Sfarts was in COURT, huh???

Therefore he must be dealing with his misdoings and keeping quiet about it.


Indeed he was, in a rumpled pinstripe blue suit, zorba. He was texting away madly, and when I left the court that night, ran into him at the intersection. He was driving a two toned "Smart" car which looked spanking new, and he was TEXTING while driving. Hi wealthy supporters are still around, it seems.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 5:10 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

guermantes wrote:
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Details of the ruling weren't issued Tuesday and won't be for several weeks.


TIMES ONLINE


I was able to pick up the disposition summary of the callunnia charge at 10:00 AM, guermantes. Not that I'm going to scan it right now, I'm on holiday ;)
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 5:21 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Nell wrote:
Imagine this new situation in case Raffaele Sollecito and Amanda Knox will be convicted for Meredith's murder: Raffaele Sollecito is an Italian citizen and doesn't enjoy the same protection as Amanda Knox being an American - in case it should turn out to be true that the U.S. will not extradite her after a conviction.

Raffaele Sollecito would go to prison for a very long time, Rudy Guede is in prison as well, while the instigator sits in the U.S. without suffering any consequences for her actions. Raffaele Sollecito cannot and will not keep his mouth shut. If I were Amanda Knox, I would be really scared of the future ahead of me. No media campaign can spin what might come out of Sollecito's mouth.


I believe that was why he was shipped out of Italy before the verdict; they must have been afraid of an arrest warrant. But if he does have an actual girl friend he allegedly lives with in Verona who's going to move with him to Switzerland ;) it might well be the attractive dark haired young person I saw with Papa Sollecito all day yesterday. No sign of him today though, but it was exceptionally crowded.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 5:25 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Ergon wrote:
zorba wrote:
Ergon,

Am I reading correctly, Sfarts was in COURT, huh???

Therefore he must be dealing with his misdoings and keeping quiet about it.


Indeed he was, in a rumpled pinstripe blue suit, zorba. He was texting away madly, and when I left the court that night, ran into him at the intersection. He was driving a two toned "Smart" car which looked spanking new, and he was TEXTING while driving. Hi wealthy supporters are still around, it seems.


Incredible, god knows how many grandmothers he has conned out of their pensions then since I fail to see anyone in their right mind employing him

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 5:29 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

zorba wrote:
Ergon wrote:
zorba wrote:
Ergon,

Am I reading correctly, Sfarts was in COURT, huh???

Therefore he must be dealing with his misdoings and keeping quiet about it.


Indeed he was, in a rumpled pinstripe blue suit, zorba. He was texting away madly, and when I left the court that night, ran into him at the intersection. He was driving a two toned "Smart" car which looked spanking new, and he was TEXTING while driving. Hi wealthy supporters are still around, it seems.


Incredible, god knows how many grandmothers he has conned out of their pensions then since I fail to see anyone in their right mind employing him


Zorba, SOME grandmothers have had enough life experiences not to fall for the BS of Sfarzo hbc)
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 5:43 pm   Post subject: WAS IT ABOUT THE MOF ALL ALONG?   

A note to the Amandii, to take as they wish. By all means pick on PG Mignini. He now carries a much bigger stick to beat you with :) I met him in Perugia btw, and I think what you did to an honest public servant was despicable beyond belief. And the story of the switched bodies is not entirely unbelievable. You shouldn't have hitched Amanda to the MOF wagon. And yes, Perugia is rife with masonic undercurrents, and Narducci's dad and father in law were both masons.
Norte Americanos might look askance at that stuff, but there derfinitely was a masonic undertow to the interference of Mignini's investigation. Now, thankfully, back on track.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 5:43 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Still can't believe it but today's news is amazing. Big love to Stephanie and her family, we're still with you until this case is over.

I've been reading the comments on CNN etc and the PR agency has a battle on its hands. Consensus seems to be back to "innocent or guilty, Knox knows more than she is letting on" with very little direct support without the supporter doing the 'merica, f-k yeah' thing which makes them look stupid and ignorant.

Any word from Harper Collins/ABC? Everything still on for 30 April?

Off to buy popcorn for Ergon's revelations as if Sfarzogate is anything to go by, this will be superb. Top work to the mods and big hug to Micheal, wherever he is at the mo :)
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 6:30 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

malvern wrote:
Well good morning all. I have to catch up. Its Sollecito's birthday and mine too. Happy Birthday to me!!


Happy Birthday, Malvern. I hope your presents are better than what Raf just got :)

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 6:36 pm   Post subject: Re: I'M IN ROME!   

Some confusion on .ORG about what Andrea Vogt tweeted, is it about the murder charges or the callunia:
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I requested #amandaknox Cassation ruling from court clerk. The exact words on court doc: "Annullamento Con Rinvio" and "Rigetto Totale."


I have the same document, and here's the relevant section, they type all caps, so do I:

DISPOSITIVO: SCIOGLIENDO LA RISERVA DI CUI ALLA UDIENZA DEL 25.03.2013, COSI DECIDE: ANNULLA LA SENTENZA IMPUGNATA LIMITATAMENTE AI REATI DI CUI AI CAPI A) (IN ESSO ASSORBITO IL CAPO C). B). E) ALL'AGGRAVANTE DI CUI ALL'ART.61 N.2 C.P CONTESTATA IN RELAZIONE AL CAPO F) E RINVIA PER NUOVO GIUDIZIO ALLA CORTE DI ASSISE DI APPELLO DI FIRENZE. RIGETTA IL RICORSO DI KNOX AMANDA MARIE, CHE CONDANNA AL PAGAMENTO DELLE SPESE PROCESSUALI, NONCHE ALLA RIFUSIONE DELLE SPESE SOSTENUTE NEL PRESENTE GIUDIZIO DALLA PARTE CIVILE LUMUMBA DIYA, LIQUIDATA NELLA SOMMA DI EURO 4000 (QUATTROMILA), OLTRE SPESE GENERALI I.V.A. E.C.P.A. COME PER LEGGE.

Or in other words, what Ms.Vogt said :)
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 6:41 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

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Italian court orders new trial for Amanda Knox
Updated: 7:00 a.m. Tuesday, March 26, 2013 | Posted: 6:57 a.m. Tuesday, March 26, 2013
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http://www.wftv.com/news/ap/crime/italy ... tal/nW4SL/

"She (Guilia Bongiorno) acknowledged that perhaps the appeals court ruling had been "too generous" in ruling that the pair simply did not commit the crime, but was confident that Sollecito's innocence would be affirmed."


There is a (not) so hidden message here of things to come. Bongiotno says * in ruling that the PAIR * did not.........

Now, as we know knox will not attend the re-trial..Knox will be thrown under the bus. Which was the original plan. Back to square one...with Raf now re-iterating he only saw Knox at 1.00 am.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 6:48 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Happy Bday Malvern mul-)

Happy day to you Raff...

Sending best wishes for everybody here.

Stunning news...I want to comment, but I just woke and need to read around. I think the correct thing happened, and now we may all know the truth.

Thanks Ergon, for being in Italy.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 6:51 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Here's AP reporting as it Always does, absolute crap; http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Ital ... 12551.html
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"During a 14-hour police interrogation, Knox had accused a local Perugia pub owner of carrying out the Killing"


I met the reporter yesterday, and she was the only one that was snippy to moi :( so I am not surprised she got her facts wrong :)
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 6:54 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

capealadin wrote:
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Italian court orders new trial for Amanda Knox
Updated: 7:00 a.m. Tuesday, March 26, 2013 | Posted: 6:57 a.m. Tuesday, March 26, 2013
By FRANCES D'EMILIO
http://www.wftv.com/news/ap/crime/italy ... tal/nW4SL/

"She (Guilia Bongiorno) acknowledged that perhaps the appeals court ruling had been "too generous" in ruling that the pair simply did not commit the crime, but was confident that Sollecito's innocence would be affirmed."


There is a (not) so hidden message here of things to come. Bongiotno says * in ruling that the PAIR * did not.........

Now, as we know knox will not attend the re-trial..Knox will be thrown under the bus. Which was the original plan. Back to square one...with Raf now re-iterating he only saw Knox at 1.00 am.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if Raf goes back to plan A. He said in his book that he didn't really remember if Knox was there or not but she must have been cuz he didn't hear any doorbell which apparently he remembers not hearing. Piece of cake to remember now that Knox had a key to his apartment after all. It is all over for Knox with the conviction for the calunnia confirmed. There is not a judge in the world (besides Hellmann) who will see that separate from the murder. I even sometimes wonder why Hellmann sentenced her to 3 years for it. It as if he was embarrassed himself and gave the SC a big hint to overturn his mess. Hopefully we will ever find out what really happened in that appeal court but I doubt it.
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capealadin wrote:
Ava wrote:
Italian court orders new trial for Amanda Knox
Updated: 7:00 a.m. Tuesday, March 26, 2013 | Posted: 6:57 a.m. Tuesday, March 26, 2013
By FRANCES D'EMILIO
http://www.wftv.com/news/ap/crime/italy ... tal/nW4SL/

"She (Guilia Bongiorno) acknowledged that perhaps the appeals court ruling had been "too generous" in ruling that the pair simply did not commit the crime, but was confident that Sollecito's innocence would be affirmed."


There is a (not) so hidden message here of things to come. Bongiotno says * in ruling that the PAIR * did not.........

Now, as we know knox will not attend the re-trial..Knox will be thrown under the bus. Which was the original plan. Back to square one...with Raf now re-iterating he only saw Knox at 1.00 am.



It sounds rather obvious, doesn't it? After calling Amanda Amélie and Jessica Rabbit and basically defending her more than her own client, it will be interesting to see how Bongiorno's strategy will develop...
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 6:58 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Napia5 wrote:
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Nope , but thanks for asking, Napia 5 , no way that Guede could have thrown that rock the way it is said to have been thrown from the parking area (the angles are all wrong, imo) nor could he have climbed, perched on the ledge, and manipulated the latch through the broken glass.

Btw, the monkey lawyer, s I unkindly named him after his pic appeared in Sollecito's book, was sitting in front of me in court.

The cottage gate is barred, and I wasnt going to intrude on the family that lived there.



Seeing it first-hand must have been a difficult experience.


I was sad for Meredith, but let me tell you; you need to see Perugia at first hand to see how so much of the defence's special pleading was improbable, and I am only not surprised that Hellmann got it wrong, his court, unlike Massei's, did not visit the crime scene.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:14 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Always good to see * old * faces again. Hi Earthling. And Indie...Emerald, Luc..

I absolutely believe Bongiorno will hold Knox responsible for the whole thing. That plan is already in motion. And..I think Knox not attending the Trial..and that means not having the Knox/Mellas circus interfering..spinning ..also not having The Moores and other hangers on..will make for a PROPER trial..without shenanigans.

I think Frank is thrilled at the news. Because..now he has an opportunity to keep milking the $$$$ train. He may even be able to upgrade his Smart Car. And, his phones. It remains to be seen if the members from other sites will follow the * Fool me once..shame on you..fool me twice..shame on me * saying.

For laughs..I need updates on Raf's media now. He's such a weak nobbly..will he try and put on the Bravado..posting more pics..wearing different hats? Or..will he slink away?

As for Knox's book. I imagine it must be put on hold.

Ergon..great that you've been in Italy. Now we can get some TRUTHFUL reporting as to the goings on.

Mega wobbly for the Foakers. Ha. And the fur salesman..trying..but not succeeding..to sound * Oh, so Noble *. When he mentions the Kerchers..I just want to throw up over his INSINCERITY. Which comes across loud and clear. It's so freaking obvious. And, only perhaps fools his sheeplike members.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:21 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Ergon..I would like you to try and find out something. Is it possible that the re-trials will be done seperately?

In other words..Knox and Raf not tried together? Because that is what Raf's attorneys would want, imo.

And..then..we will see how there will be NO support for Raf. He will overnight become a pariah on the other sites. I can hear it now.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:37 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Trial together, appeal together is what I think Cape.
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Thanks to everyone for hanging in there and keeping the faith all of this time xx
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:47 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

capealadin wrote:
Ergon..I would like you to try and find out something. Is it possible that the re-trials will be done seperately?

In other words..Knox and Raf not tried together? Because that is what Raf's attorneys would want, imo.

And..then..we will see how there will be NO support for Raf. He will overnight become a pariah on the other sites. I can hear it now.


I will ask, capealadin, but the answer will take some time. One thing about being here: I got to develop some great sources.
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capealadin wrote:
Always good to see * old * faces again. Hi Earthling. And Indie...Emerald, Luc..

I absolutely believe Bongiorno will hold Knox responsible for the whole thing. That plan is already in motion. And..I think Knox not attending the Trial..and that means not having the Knox/Mellas circus interfering..spinning ..also not having The Moores and other hangers on..will make for a PROPER trial..without shenanigans.

I think Frank is thrilled at the news. Because..now he has an opportunity to keep milking the $$$$ train. He may even be able to upgrade his Smart Car. And, his phones. It remains to be seen if the members from other sites will follow the * Fool me once..shame on you..fool me twice..shame on me * saying.

For laughs..I need updates on Raf's media now. He's such a weak nobbly..will he try and put on the Bravado..posting more pics..wearing different hats? Or..will he slink away?

As for Knox's book. I imagine it must be put on hold.

Ergon..great that you've been in Italy. Now we can get some TRUTHFUL reporting as to the goings on.

Mega wobbly for the Foakers. Ha. And the fur salesman..trying..but not succeeding..to sound * Oh, so Noble *. When he mentions the Kerchers..I just want to throw up over his INSINCERITY. Which comes across loud and clear. It's so freaking obvious. And, only perhaps fools his sheeplike members.


Bruce Fischer is a nonentity and a thug, and my only interest in him so far is that he's a surrogate for one Chris Mellas. I reported on his activities because of the intelligence I gathered from his foot prints, but he can sink into obscurity as far as I am concerned.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:55 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Hi Cape, I could forgive IIP for defending Amanda...

BUT, I will never forget the cruelty shown to the Kerchers, and I will not forgive either.

Lots of fancy dancing o'er there.

Peter...you banned yourself from this board (remember?), citing concentration camp like mentality. I don't know why you are kissing ass now. I would welcome you back if you stop with the clever quips and walking away when you hear something you do not like. You have walked away from our personal conversation a dozen times...my trust will not be won back easily. I will not be dragged into your personal psycho drama...and I don't want you putting it on others here. Got it?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:55 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Hi everyone - oh my god fantastic news!!! yesterday seemed gloomy and dismal while we waited now the world seems a sunnier place - albeit without beautiful Meredith. Big hugs to the Kerchers.

Knox's mug is all over the news but now I am smiling whenever I see it - hope she didnt have too much of a sleepless night poor lamb - and Sollecito hardly gets a mention, same old same old - creepy weirdo that no-one wants to talk about as usual - Happy Birthday Solopsycho (trademark Zorba)!!

Much love to everyone - today was a good day xxx

RIP Meredith
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:04 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

For those confused by this tweet:

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I requested #amandaknox Cassation ruling from court clerk. The exact words on court doc: "Annullamento Con Rinvio" and "Rigetto Totale."


Knox had a separate appeal, remember? Pertaining to the calunnia? That's what the document I got here refers to. Knox and Sollecito were also tried together, and that disposition has not been entered yet,
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:11 pm   Post subject: Happy, but still a curmudgeon   

I am very happy for the Kercher's and Patrick today. Hopefully this decision will lead to the truth and justice we all seek.

Regarding Harper Collins and ABC, I would not be surprised if their marketing departments were popping Champagne corks this morning. Their objective is to sell books and sell eyeballs to advertisers. Truth and justice are irrelevant. The controversy and notoriety generated by the media today serves their purpose very well. The narrative from their perspective will continue to mirror that of the Mellox-Industrial Complex: a beautiful innocent abroad caught in the nightmare of the Italian justice system. The only change to that narrative today is the addition of the word "ongoing" prior to the word nightmare.

The other grifters will benefit as well. In addition to Dempsey, Bremner, and Simon, I'm sure we'll be hearing from the entire cast of characters who have used this tragic affair for self promotion.

As for Knox ever serving more time, I doubt that will happen. Even if the conviction is upheld throughout the remaining court process, which could take years, there would still be an extradition battle. However, there may be an upside. If the conviction is upheld and Sollecito ends up serving years in prison while Knox wanders free, he might get so incensed by the unfairness of it all that he will spill the beans against his former partner in crime. I don't expect this outcome, of course, but I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility.

While I'm here, I just want to mention that I finished reading "Math On Trial" and found it to be a delightful book. The court cases discussed are fascinating in their own right, and the authors did a wonderful job making the narrative of each case compelling. One does not have to be interested in math to enjoy this book and I think every reader will learn something new and surprising.

Finally, thanks to everyone here for your ongoing dedication to this cause. Your efforts are appreciated.
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Trial together, appeal together is what I think Cape.


Yes dg. But I was thinking it COULD be different..as this would be a whole new trial? I don't know..that's for sure..but it would DEF be the way Raf's *employees* want to go :)

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Hi Sweetie... hugz-)

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Hi Everyone! It's great seeing you all and a big hug to every one of you. Justice has raised her sword and shone out from her throne. We are all Italians today!

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:29 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

tamale wrote:
Hi Cape, I could forgive IIP for defending Amanda...

BUT, I will never forget the cruelty shown to the Kerchers, and I will not forgive either.

Lots of fancy dancing o'er there.

Peter...you banned yourself from this board (remember?), citing concentration camp like mentality. I don't know why you are kissing ass now. I would welcome you back if you stop with the clever quips and walking away when you hear something you do not like. You have walked away from our personal conversation a dozen times...my trust will not be won back easily. I will not be dragged into your personal psycho drama...and I don't want you putting it on others here. Got it?


Tamale....For me..I can't forgive IIP for defending Knox..and it was done by finding every which way to denigrade Meredith and her family. And here's the thing.

They defended her shameful behaviour, her lies, well.. I could go on..but I'm in a REALLY good mood..and I don't want to spoil it by remembering all the things Knox did.

When you defend someone who has been proved to a disgusting human being...then there is no forgiving..imo.

Saying all that...I think you've been great..I just think, Tamale..you can be too...I don't want to say naive...so I'll say..too nice.

You will see. Remember how they've been all over Raf...the photo's etc? Watch THAT change, Hon..when Knox is left hanging out to dry. They don't know what loyalty means. They are loyal to the almighty $$$..and to their own agendas. Look how quickly you and Peter were treated. Ugh.

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Michael wrote:
Hi Everyone! It's great seeing you all and a big hug to every one of you. Justice has raised her sword and shone out from her throne. We are all Italians today!


MICHAEL. Yay-) hugz-) hugz-) hugz-)

How've you been, m'love? I've been thinking and missing you..and I really needed to see you today. This has been your baby since day one...

Ergon and Nell are beyond fantastic....

What a fantastic day. I am so hopeful that Justice WILL prevail..

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A special thank you to Michael, Ergon, Nell and Guermantes for the excellent forum and timely updates. Thanks to all posters who continued to 'work' the case. Thanks to to The Machine and Yummi who never had a doubt about the SC outcome!!!
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:37 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

OK. I may have overdone it with the hugs emoticon :) :) sor-) But I'm just so happy today..and to seeing you, Michael.

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malvern wrote:
A special thank you to Michael, Ergon, Nell and Guermantes for the excellent forum and timely updates. Thanks to all posters who continued to 'work' the case. Thanks to to The Machine and Yummi who never had a doubt about the SC outcome!!!


Seconded. Well said. gh-))

Y'all can thank The Bard..for showing me how the emoticons work. :) Sorry, Daisy steiner ;)

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:49 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

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zorba wrote:
Ergon wrote:
zorba wrote:
Ergon,

Am I reading correctly, Sfarts was in COURT, huh???

Therefore he must be dealing with his misdoings and keeping quiet about it.


Indeed he was, in a rumpled pinstripe blue suit, zorba. He was texting away madly, and when I left the court that night, ran into him at the intersection. He was driving a two toned "Smart" car which looked spanking new, and he was TEXTING while driving. Hi wealthy supporters are still around, it seems.


Incredible, god knows how many grandmothers he has conned out of their pensions then since I fail to see anyone in their right mind employing him


Zorba, SOME grandmothers have had enough life experiences not to fall for the BS of Sfarzo hbc)


Thank goodness.

I don't know about Sfarts, all that trouble and needing people's money then there he is in a flash car, though rumpled pin stripe suit, I mean, where does he get off, he looks like one of those characters in an over the top parody of cheesy used car salesmen, the big outlandishly obscene nausea inducing coloured ties, suits that don't fit or match up, wonder if he was and is a plain old dope dealer?


So did he save all of his free money, given him by the Knoxotics and or did they actually pay him to piss off

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:50 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

capealadin wrote:
As for Knox's book. I imagine it must be put on hold.


Andrea Vogt writes in her latest article for Seattle PI that HarperCollins is determined to go ahead and publish Knox's book despite controversy. Too much money is at stake, I guess, but the potential losses could be greater.

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The book will continue on its publishing schedule, HarperCollins said Tuesday.

"As planned, HarperCollins will publish Amanda Knox's book,'Waiting to Be Heard', on April 30, 2013, and will move forward with the interviews that we have scheduled."


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Andrea's article is worth reading in full, as usual.

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Ergon..great that you've been in Italy. Now we can get some TRUTHFUL reporting as to the goings on.


Hi Ergon, good to see you back on board with spark, glad you are having some time off. Great that everyone is in such a good mood today. I miss Michael's voice, though. Hope he is ok. r-((

ETA: Just saw that Michael is back, too! pp-(
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capealadin wrote:
tamale wrote:
Hi Cape, I could forgive IIP for defending Amanda...

BUT, I will never forget the cruelty shown to the Kerchers, and I will not forgive either.

Lots of fancy dancing o'er there.

Peter...you banned yourself from this board (remember?), citing concentration camp like mentality. I don't know why you are kissing ass now. I would welcome you back if you stop with the clever quips and walking away when you hear something you do not like. You have walked away from our personal conversation a dozen times...my trust will not be won back easily. I will not be dragged into your personal psycho drama...and I don't want you putting it on others here. Got it?


Tamale....For me..I can't forgive IIP for defending Knox..and it was done by finding every which way to denigrade Meredith and her family. And here's the thing.

They defended her shameful behaviour, her lies, well.. I could go on..but I'm in a REALLY good mood..and I don't want to spoil it by remembering all the things Knox did.

When you defend someone who has been proved to a disgusting human being...then there is no forgiving..imo.

Saying all that...I think you've been great..I just think, Tamale..you can be too...I don't want to say naive...so I'll say..too nice.

You will see. Remember how they've been all over Raf...the photo's etc? Watch THAT change, Hon..when Knox is left hanging out to dry. They don't know what loyalty means. They are loyal to the almighty $$$..and to their own agendas. Look how quickly you and Peter were treated. Ugh.

Yes Cape...maybe I am naive.
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The AP is reporting that Knox's book and interview are still a go.

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Amanda Knox book, interview go on as planned
Posted by Nick Provenza

The Associated Press

Amanda Knox’s memoir and interview with ABC’s Diane Sawyer will go on as planned, despite an Italian court overturning her 2011 murder acquittal.

Italy’s highest criminal court ordered a whole new trial for Knox and former Italian boyfriend Raffaele Sollecito on Tuesday, overturning their acquittals in the gruesome slaying of her British roommate, Meredith Kercher.

Spokesman David Ford says an ABC News Primetime Special scheduled to air April 30 is moving forward as planned. It will be the first in-depth interview Knox has given since returning to Seattle.

Knox also has a memoir — “Waiting to Be Heard” — due out on the same day as her television interview.

HarperCollins spokeswoman Tina Andreadis says the book plans have not changed.

http://blogs.seattletimes.com/today/201 ... s-planned/


The timing is great for sales, but I wonder if they've underestimated the legal risk.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:58 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Well done all, it's been very depressing at times, thinking that wicked force would just get its way.

Nice to see everyone dropping in, glad you are okay Michael.

Okay I must iron, pack, arrange, for I'm off to Italy tomorrow and I'm so glad I'm not going there on a downer.

Mr Marriot's work is a scandal and how he sleeps at night is a wonder but yeah, as long as he and his are all okay eh, wait until someone cuts his wife's throat, I see him as a legal criminal (if that is even possible), as it is his work behind all of the media manipulation.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 9:02 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

tamale wrote:
capealadin wrote:
tamale wrote:
Hi Cape, I could forgive IIP for defending Amanda...

BUT, I will never forget the cruelty shown to the Kerchers, and I will not forgive either.

Lots of fancy dancing o'er there.

Peter...you banned yourself from this board (remember?), citing concentration camp like mentality. I don't know why you are kissing ass now. I would welcome you back if you stop with the clever quips and walking away when you hear something you do not like. You have walked away from our personal conversation a dozen times...my trust will not be won back easily. I will not be dragged into your personal psycho drama...and I don't want you putting it on others here. Got it?


Tamale....For me..I can't forgive IIP for defending Knox..and it was done by finding every which way to denigrade Meredith and her family. And here's the thing.

They defended her shameful behaviour, her lies, well.. I could go on..but I'm in a REALLY good mood..and I don't want to spoil it by remembering all the things Knox did.

When you defend someone who has been proved to a disgusting human being...then there is no forgiving..imo.

Saying all that...I think you've been great..I just think, Tamale..you can be too...I don't want to say naive...so I'll say..too nice.

You will see. Remember how they've been all over Raf...the photo's etc? Watch THAT change, Hon..when Knox is left hanging out to dry. They don't know what loyalty means. They are loyal to the almighty $$$..and to their own agendas. Look how quickly you and Peter were treated. Ugh.

Yes Cape...maybe I am naive.


I'm going to say..Good hearted. pp-(

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guermantes wrote:
capealadin wrote:
As for Knox's book. I imagine it must be put on hold.


Andrea Vogt writes in her latest article for Seattle PI that HarperCollins is determined to go ahead and publish Knox's book despite controversy. Too much money is at stake, I guess, but the potential losses could be greater.

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The book will continue on its publishing schedule, HarperCollins said Tuesday.

"As planned, HarperCollins will publish Amanda Knox's book,'Waiting to Be Heard', on April 30, 2013, and will move forward with the interviews that we have scheduled."


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Andrea's article is worth reading in full, as usual.

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Ergon..great that you've been in Italy. Now we can get some TRUTHFUL reporting as to the goings on.


Hi Ergon, good to see you back on board with spark, glad you are having some time off. Great that everyone is in such a good mood today. I miss Michael's voice, though. Hope he is ok. r-((

ETA: Just saw that Michael is back, too! pp-(


Thanks G. You are..as usual..the Best. I will read Andrea's article..but now..am off to run some errands.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 9:08 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

louiehaha wrote:
The AP is reporting that Knox's book and interview are still a go.

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Amanda Knox book, interview go on as planned
Posted by Nick Provenza

The Associated Press

Amanda Knox’s memoir and interview with ABC’s Diane Sawyer will go on as planned, despite an Italian court overturning her 2011 murder acquittal.

Italy’s highest criminal court ordered a whole new trial for Knox and former Italian boyfriend Raffaele Sollecito on Tuesday, overturning their acquittals in the gruesome slaying of her British roommate, Meredith Kercher.

Spokesman David Ford says an ABC News Primetime Special scheduled to air April 30 is moving forward as planned. It will be the first in-depth interview Knox has given since returning to Seattle.

Knox also has a memoir — “Waiting to Be Heard” — due out on the same day as her television interview.

HarperCollins spokeswoman Tina Andreadis says the book plans have not changed.

http://blogs.seattletimes.com/today/201 ... s-planned/


The timing is great for sales, but I wonder if they've underestimated the legal risk.


Hi Louie..Yes. Good point. I know this has prolly been mentioned before..but now I'm wondering if the * Son of Law * a) applies here. Is there no such law in Italy..as Knox was tried there?

It may be..that people hold off on buying Knox's fairy tale..until further developements. IF anyone except the Foakers are planning on reading it at all.

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hugs back at ya cape, you scrumptious human being xxxx
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And yes..I think Nell mentioned this upthread. Amanda's going to have to do a whole lot of sucking up now to Raf. Which is not going to be easy..as Raf has a new girlfriend now.

I see troubling times ahead for those 2. Oh, colour me not upet about that. I just thought Shakespeare. Must be thinking of Verona. * Hubble Bubble, toil and trouble *.

To the Foakers. Your * Queen Amanda*. Uneasy lies the head that wears the crown. LOL.

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YOU are. :) Hope your life is a Flower field, Hon.

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zorba wrote:
Okay I must iron, pack, arrange, for I'm off to Italy tomorrow and I'm so glad I'm not going there on a downer.


Traveling for work or pleasure? Easter pilgrimage to Rome? (Just kidding.) Spring is the best time to go - temperatures warm up, flowers are in bloom, and there are fewer tourists than usual except for Holy week! Buon viaggio, Z.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 9:28 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

louiehaha wrote:
The AP is reporting that Knox's book and interview are still a go.

Quote:
Amanda Knox book, interview go on as planned
Posted by Nick Provenza

The Associated Press

Amanda Knox’s memoir and interview with ABC’s Diane Sawyer will go on as planned, despite an Italian court overturning her 2011 murder acquittal.

Italy’s highest criminal court ordered a whole new trial for Knox and former Italian boyfriend Raffaele Sollecito on Tuesday, overturning their acquittals in the gruesome slaying of her British roommate, Meredith Kercher.

Spokesman David Ford says an ABC News Primetime Special scheduled to air April 30 is moving forward as planned. It will be the first in-depth interview Knox has given since returning to Seattle.

Knox also has a memoir — “Waiting to Be Heard” — due out on the same day as her television interview.

HarperCollins spokeswoman Tina Andreadis says the book plans have not changed.

http://blogs.seattletimes.com/today/201 ... s-planned/


The timing is great for sales, but I wonder if they've underestimated the legal risk.


I doubt that. I'm sure both HarperCollins and ABC have large, well paid legal teams on staff and that they did due diligence in preparing to release their "product". I'm unqualified to comment on the legal concerns, obviously, but as I mentioned on .org I don't think there are any laws that prevent a publisher from releasing a book written by a criminal and I know for a fact that it's okay for Sawyer to interview a convicted criminal.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 9:37 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Stephanie Kercher reacts to today's ruling:

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"We welcome the news in the sense that we hope to find the answers," Kercher's sister Stephanie told Italy's ITV. "We are never going to be happy about any outcome because we have still lost Meredith, but we obviously support the decision and hope to get answers from it."

"There are still so many unanswered questions, all we have ever wanted to do is do what we can for Meredith and to find out the truth of what happened that night."


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Hi, all, I was in Cassazione 1st Sezione Penale Aula all day yesterday, from 10:00 AM to after 9:00 PM last night. (well, I missed 15 minutes over lunch :) and then again this morning to get the announcement at 10:05 AM.
Amanda and Raffaele Sollecito go back to trial in Florence. It will be a new trial, and the appeal judge will decide what evidence is to be considered. Conceivably, even the knife will be retested, and the C&V report will be only one item of evidence. Knox must pay Patrick Lumumba 4000 euros, and that decision is final. (I have the official court document on that decision, all other rulings may take up to several weeks to be posted, or, as the kind lady in the public relations office explained, who knows when?)

I also was in Perugia for all of last week, to see, with fresh eyes, what I could see.

I had some internet difficulties, but will be posting on my trip over the next few weeks. And, there is more to come.


I thought it was important to go to Italy and be present for the ruling, so I went. I did it not just for myself, but to be there on behalf of all of you here at both PMF's. But today, my thoughts go to the Kerchers, and for Meredith, justice has finally, been served. RIP r-(( r-(( r-((


That had to be thrilling! I can't wait to read your observations.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 9:54 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Andrea Vogt
High Court Overturns Amanda Knox Acquittals

ROME Breaking: I will be posting periodic updates on the decision of the Court of Cassation to annul the acquittals of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito, and reject the request for the overturning of her slander conviction (it is now a definitive conviction). Here is the court’s dispositivo from today’s hearing, which I requested from the court clerk’s office: Cassation Amanda Knox Dispositivo.

For further reading, this story broke first in the U.S. here, with my piece in the Seattlepi.com.


http://thefreelancedesk.com/?front_featured=high-court-to-hear-meredith-kercher-case

GreenWyvern wrote:
Andrea Vogt has posted the Cassation Court document of the judgement

http://thefreelancedesk.com/?front_featured=high-court-to-hear-meredith-kercher-case

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 9:54 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

I'm bringing this exchange over from org, as like their poster Carlos, I'm sensing the new FOA battle cry is "use the marines to stop this double jeopardy".

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<snip> I have a question: I have been reading reports (all some kind of spin probably) suggesting there will be a completely new trial (the double jeopardy shrieks) as well as reports suggesting that this is still all just a "technicality" and that some minor adjustment may need to be made but that the first verdict is not actually reinstated. So. My question is: are A & R legally still considered guilty and waiting appeal? I want to get out there and help spread the truth in an easily digestible, 140 character or less way. Combat some of the gobbledygook floating around.


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I can explain but I would not suggest entertaining morons who will not wish to listen and know zero about the law (even Ted Simon who is supposed to be a lawyer knows nothing).

Ref a future extradition in case of request of arrest or final conviction ... double jeopardy does not apply as:

(a) double jeopardy is illegal also in Italy (a principle which existed hundreds of years before the discovery of America, "ne bis in idem" in Roman Law)

(b) in the US/Italy extradition treaty double jeopardy is when the person to be extradited [eg Knox] has been judged for the same crime in the USA (in the treaty "the requested party", see below) which is not the case here, Knox was never under trial in the USA for this crime (the above assuming AK stays in the US, if she moves to other country the treaty with another country will apply)

(c) most importantly, the cancellation of the appeal trial is not double jeopardy in any way or form as someone is guilty or innocent only when Cassazione renders final the sentence, the 3 steps are part of the same proceeding.

AK was only provisionally convicted in first degree and then provisionally acquitted in appeal awaiting for Cassazione, no verdict was final. A proceeding is always first degree, appeal and Cassazione, no verdict is final until Cassazione rules (unless the parties never appeal in which case after a certain period of time the sentence is final). Appeals are granted automatically if there is a request by defence or prosecution. Therefore the new appeal is not a re-trial, just a new appeal. It is needed as appeal did not follow law according to Supreme Cassazione Court [we will soon find all the reasons but reading PG document we know the requests].

Cassazione sometimes cancels without new appeal and renders the initial sentence final but in criminal cases generally the court allows a new appeal to guarantee defendants.

State of the art will be the first trial. Note that the first trial was not cancelled, only the appeal. Theoretically also the first trial could be cancelled but was not. The appeal was considered Irregular - and therefore invalid - not the first trial. AK and RS were convicted for murder in the first trial and today, with the cancellation of the appeal, are again provisionally convicted for murder to 26 and 25 years in jail awaiting for appeal and then Cassazione. Only after a final Cassazione sentence - a final judgement of conviction or acquittal - "ne bis in idem" will kick in.

Ref the crime of slander, which I understand was confirmed and AK convicted finally by Cassazione, ne bis in idem already works. She cannot be retried for that crime.

Cassazione is likely to say why certain mistakes made the appeal an invalid trial. They will write it up in detail. We will soon know. Cassazione may therefore give some procedural guidance to conduct the new appeal by the law but will not enter in the decision of merit on the guilt or innocence of the accused which will stay with first degree and appeal courts.

-------------------------------article of Extradition treaty 1983
ARTICLE VI
Non Bis in Idem
Extradition shall not be granted when the person sought has been convicted, acquitted or
pardoned, or has served the sentence imposed, by the Requested Party for the same acts for
which extradition is requested.



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Harvard Law Professor Alan Dershowitz said that Italian prosecutors might very well extradite Knox. And, if retried, she "likely will be found guilty -- because the evidence supporting a conviction is pretty strong."

Knox, now 25, has established a fan base in the United States "because she has a beautiful face and an angelic appearance," Dershowitz said. "But remember, she originally admitted she was at the scene of the crime and she tried to blame an innocent man -- for which she was also convicted."

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/03/26/justi ... ?hpt=hp_c3
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guermantes wrote:
zorba wrote:
Okay I must iron, pack, arrange, for I'm off to Italy tomorrow and I'm so glad I'm not going there on a downer.


Traveling for work or pleasure? Easter pilgrimage to Rome? (Just kidding.) Spring is the best time to go - temperatures warm up, flowers are in bloom, and there are fewer tourists than usual except for Holy week! Buon viaggio, Z.



Hi Guermantes,

For both, to see if I might be able to handle teaching there, and pleasure of course. Yes I hope it does warm up, and fewer tourists always good.

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And speaking of Knox's fan base in the US, we all know they're rather thick. I think it's more than coincidence that on November 5, 2007, the Writers Guild of America went on a three month strike, disrupting regular television programming for up to eighteen months. Knox received even more exposure during this period than a 'pretty' white murder suspect would, as networks scrambled for programming.
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Another fascinating post from Yummi on org:

Yummi » 26 Mar 2013, 21:36
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I have read the SC Dispositivo, and in fact it annulls almost entirely Hellmann-Zanetti verdict, but not entirely: it accepts definitively the conviction for calunnia.

It crushed Hellmann's acquittal of K-S on the charges a), b), c), d), e) ; but about Knox's conviction on letter f), it crushed only Hellman's conclusion where he dismissed the aggravating circumstance of continuance, and let the rest of charge f) stand.
So, it accepted Hellmann's conviction for calunnia, and possibly sentencing; it made her guilt become definitive for calunnia.

But still on letter f), the SC crushed the part of Hellmann's conclusion about the "lack of logical link" between calunnia and murder (that is the aggravating circumstance of continuation by art. 61 cpp).

So this SC verdict seems to me extremely negative for Knox and Sollecito.

It seems it could not have been possibly worse.
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louiehaha wrote:
Harvard Law Professor Alan Dershowitz said that Italian prosecutors might very well extradite Knox. And, if retried, she "likely will be found guilty -- because the evidence supporting a conviction is pretty strong."

Knox, now 25, has established a fan base in the United States "because she has a beautiful face and an angelic appearance," Dershowitz said. "But remember, she originally admitted she was at the scene of the crime and she tried to blame an innocent man -- for which she was also convicted."

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/03/26/justi ... ?hpt=hp_c3


Wow! It's shocking to hear an American celebrity/legal professional make an accurate statement regarding this case.
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Itchy Brother wrote:
louiehaha wrote:
Harvard Law Professor Alan Dershowitz said that Italian prosecutors might very well extradite Knox. And, if retried, she "likely will be found guilty -- because the evidence supporting a conviction is pretty strong."

Knox, now 25, has established a fan base in the United States "because she has a beautiful face and an angelic appearance," Dershowitz said. "But remember, she originally admitted she was at the scene of the crime and she tried to blame an innocent man -- for which she was also convicted."

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/03/26/justi ... ?hpt=hp_c3


Wow! It's shocking to hear an American celebrity/legal professional make an accurate statement regarding this case.


Alan Dershowitz is a brilliant legal scholar. His body of work is impressive...not to mention his ethics. I believe his wife was murdered several years ago...
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louiehaha wrote:
Another fascinating post from Yummi on org:

Yummi » 26 Mar 2013, 21:36
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I have read the SC Dispositivo, and in fact it annulls almost entirely Hellmann-Zanetti verdict, but not entirely: it accepts definitively the conviction for calunnia.

It crushed Hellmann's acquittal of K-S on the charges a), b), c), d), e) ; but about Knox's conviction on letter f), it crushed only Hellman's conclusion where he dismissed the aggravating circumstance of continuance, and let the rest of charge f) stand.
So, it accepted Hellmann's conviction for calunnia, and possibly sentencing; it made her guilt become definitive for calunnia.

But still on letter f), the SC crushed the part of Hellmann's conclusion about the "lack of logical link" between calunnia and murder (that is the aggravating circumstance of continuation by art. 61 cpp).

So this SC verdict seems to me extremely negative for Knox and Sollecito.

It seems it could not have been possibly worse.


Not disagreeing with Yummi in any way, but you'll note the pdf document in Vogt's article only mentions Amanda Knox, of Seattle. So I assumed this relates only to the calunnia disposition.
But if a b c d and e refer to Sollecito as well, why isnt his name there? Still, I defer to Yummi on this, but Vogt and I have the same document.
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It's been a great day for justice. The judges at the Italian Supreme Court were never going to confirm Hellmann's verdict.
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tamale wrote:
Hi Cape, I could forgive IIP for defending Amanda...

BUT, I will never forget the cruelty shown to the Kerchers, and I will not forgive either.


You were and the rest of the posters on IIP were lied to by Bruce Fischer from the very beginning.

This is the basic FOA account of the case:

Amanda Knox had never been trouble with the police. In days following Meredith’s murder, she voluntarily stayed behind to help the police in Perugia, but all Meredith’s friends left immediately. She was called to the police station on 5 November 2007 where she was subjected to an all-night interrogation. She wasn’t provided with an interpreter or given anything to eat or drink. She was beaten by the police and asked to imagine what might have happened.

During her questioning, Knox made a statement that said she had a “vision” she was at the cottage when Meredith was murdered. There were only two tiny pieces of DNA evidence that implicated her, but they were probably contaminated. The knife from Sollecito’s kitchen doesn’t match any of the wounds on Meredith’s body. Prosecutor Mignini claimed Meredith was killed as part of a satanic ritual and he called Amanda Knox a “she-devil”.

Rudy Guede was a drifter and drug dealer with a criminal record. He left his DNA all over Meredith and all over the crime scene. Amanda Knox didn’t know Rudy Guede.

How many of these false claims did you believe?
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Btw, I met several US reporters and told them to check us out. They all complained about being forced by their head offices to cover stories 'that don't affect most people', like war, politics, and the economy.
I'd agree except, justice is always important.

Now's the time to contact the media, before that book comes out.
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Ergon wrote:
Btw, I met several US reporters and told them to check us out. They all complained about being forced by their head offices to cover stories 'that don't affect most people', like war, politics, and the economy.
I'd agree except, justice is always important.

Now's the time to contact the media, before that book comes out.


Sexual assault and murder are always wrong. Being American doesn't mean Amanda Knox must be innocent or should be allowed to get away with murder.

I've always encouraged people to contact the journalists who have covered the case and ask them to provide balanced and factually accurate reports.
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The AP is reporting that Knox's book and interview are still a go.

Quote:
Amanda Knox book, interview go on as planned
Posted by Nick Provenza

The Associated Press

Amanda Knox’s memoir and interview with ABC’s Diane Sawyer will go on as planned, despite an Italian court overturning her 2011 murder acquittal.

Italy’s highest criminal court ordered a whole new trial for Knox and former Italian boyfriend Raffaele Sollecito on Tuesday, overturning their acquittals in the gruesome slaying of her British roommate, Meredith Kercher.

Spokesman David Ford says an ABC News Primetime Special scheduled to air April 30 is moving forward as planned. It will be the first in-depth interview Knox has given since returning to Seattle.

Knox also has a memoir — “Waiting to Be Heard” — due out on the same day as her television interview.

HarperCollins spokeswoman Tina Andreadis says the book plans have not changed.

http://blogs.seattletimes.com/today/201 ... s-planned/


The timing is great for sales, but I wonder if they've underestimated the legal risk.


I doubt that. I'm sure both HarperCollins and ABC have large, well paid legal teams on staff and that they did due diligence in preparing to release their "product". I'm unqualified to comment on the legal concerns, obviously, but as I mentioned on .org I don't think there are any laws that prevent a publisher from releasing a book written by a criminal and I know for a fact that it's okay for Sawyer to interview a convicted criminal.


I think so too, Itchy, they probably see it as great marketing opportunity, unfortunately, as you wrote somewhere upthread. It will take years until a final verdict will be reached, until then everything can be declared as provisory/unsure, and in the end everyone will have forgotten about the book and you'll be able to buy it used and for zero money on amazon.
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Good to see you back, Michael! :)
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Zorba, all the best in Italy. It's awful cold and wet right now, pack well.
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Good night, friends. It's been a hectic two weeks. I arrived in Rome from Perugia on Sunday evening and up really early Monday to be in court all day, then court and reporters today. 1:21 AM Rome time, better get some sleep.
Tomorrow, I'm going to St. Peters, and if there's one thing I'll do, it's see Michelangelo's Pieta, and go up the circular stairs to the dome. I will treat myself to a proper dinner and raise a glass of wine to the Kerchers.
I would like to thank the people of Italy for this wonderful day and their gracious hospitality and kindness to me. Today, we are all truly Italian.
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Ergon wrote:
Zorba, all the best in Italy. It's awful cold and wet right now, pack well.


Thanks Ergon
and
I heard but I've packed my long johns

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Have a great time in Italy, Zorba. Send Italy kisses for me. They done good today :)

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capealadin wrote:
tamale wrote:
capealadin wrote:
tamale wrote:
Hi Cape, I could forgive IIP for defending Amanda...

BUT, I will never forget the cruelty shown to the Kerchers, and I will not forgive either.

Lots of fancy dancing o'er there.

Peter...you banned yourself from this board (remember?), citing concentration camp like mentality. I don't know why you are kissing ass now. I would welcome you back if you stop with the clever quips and walking away when you hear something you do not like. You have walked away from our personal conversation a dozen times...my trust will not be won back easily. I will not be dragged into your personal psycho drama...and I don't want you putting it on others here. Got it?


Tamale....For me..I can't forgive IIP for defending Knox..and it was done by finding every which way to denigrade Meredith and her family. And here's the thing.

They defended her shameful behaviour, her lies, well.. I could go on..but I'm in a REALLY good mood..and I don't want to spoil it by remembering all the things Knox did.

When you defend someone who has been proved to a disgusting human being...then there is no forgiving..imo.

Saying all that...I think you've been great..I just think, Tamale..you can be too...I don't want to say naive...so I'll say..too nice.

You will see. Remember how they've been all over Raf...the photo's etc? Watch THAT change, Hon..when Knox is left hanging out to dry. They don't know what loyalty means. They are loyal to the almighty $$$..and to their own agendas. Look how quickly you and Peter were treated. Ugh.

Yes Cape...maybe I am naive.


I'm going to say..Good hearted. pp-(


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Itchy Brother wrote:
louiehaha wrote:
Harvard Law Professor Alan Dershowitz said that Italian prosecutors might very well extradite Knox. And, if retried, she "likely will be found guilty -- because the evidence supporting a conviction is pretty strong."

Knox, now 25, has established a fan base in the United States "because she has a beautiful face and an angelic appearance," Dershowitz said. "But remember, she originally admitted she was at the scene of the crime and she tried to blame an innocent man -- for which she was also convicted."

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/03/26/justi ... ?hpt=hp_c3


Wow! It's shocking to hear an American celebrity/legal professional make an accurate statement regarding this case.



That is very well put as is Machine's post below yours, describing the show, this what the lawyer said is exactly what has been missing in a most peculiar way from any news coming out of America, then I think to myself, with the brilliant minds there, how can a bunch of people manage to brainwash and manipulate the public but hey yeah, the Marriot cat and his professionals, they are trained in the various communication skills, each with a specialism, so that is a machine you are fighting when they work, but they use those skills and their knowledge and know-how like a devil would, I mean they have been directing things as well as interrupting things online, I'm sure and I bet their instructions included, you must go online and fight by disrupting discussions and that's what they did.

I want to see Bon Giorno climb up that wall, I want to see the chap with the long pinocchio type of nose, and old silver hair, let them demonstrate how anyone could scale that wall and I'll eat my hat if they succeed, I will also visit them in hospital, the fat one may break a few ribs or crack his nut, the skinny guy, he may get off lightly with a pair of broken ankles, but, they'll never do it.

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Have a great time in Italy, Zorba. Send Italy kisses for me. They done good today :)



Will do and will send all of you Cyber Burps as I enjoy the wonderful cuisine, e anche le vino.

I must get to bed, just one glass of wine then, god I had to work hard to get ready

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The Machine wrote:
tamale wrote:
Hi Cape, I could forgive IIP for defending Amanda...

BUT, I will never forget the cruelty shown to the Kerchers, and I will not forgive either.


You were and the rest of the posters on IIP were lied to by Bruce Fischer from the very beginning.

This is the basic FOA account of the case:

Amanda Knox had never been trouble with the police. In days following Meredith’s murder, she voluntarily stayed behind to help the police in Perugia, but all Meredith’s friends left immediately. She was called to the police station on 5 November 2007 where she was subjected to an all-night interrogation. She wasn’t provided with an interpreter or given anything to eat or drink. She was beaten by the police and asked to imagine what might have happened.

During her questioning, Knox made a statement that said she had a “vision” she was at the cottage when Meredith was murdered. There were only two tiny pieces of DNA evidence that implicated her, but they were probably contaminated. The knife from Sollecito’s kitchen doesn’t match any of the wounds on Meredith’s body. Prosecutor Mignini claimed Meredith was killed as part of a satanic ritual and he called Amanda Knox a “she-devil”.

Rudy Guede was a drifter and drug dealer with a criminal record. He left his DNA all over Meredith and all over the crime scene. Amanda Knox didn’t know Rudy Guede.

How many of these false claims did you believe?


Hi Machine,
I plan to defend myself to you a little later, as I just got a call about employment and must shift gears. Be well
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More from Anderson Cooper and Ted Simon - these guys seem to be virtually inseparable at the moment:

Anderson Cooper 360° ‏@AC360 1h

Quote:
Next: a look at the evidence - or lack thereof - against Amanda #Knox. We'll speak to her attorney. #AC360


Knox’s atty.: Retrial is 'painful for her'

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/

I think I'll just stop watching and listening to their useless blather; it is so twisted and spun. Pre-canned questions and answers - all surface and no depth.
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Tweet me your thoughts about the new developments in the #AmandaKnox case...use #greta!


This came across my twitter feed & I clicked to her program in time to see Steve Moore in total meltdown.
Hopefully they post the clip.
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Is Wendy Murphy on Twitter?

http://www.necn.com/searchNECN/search/v ... murray.htm
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Italy’s Highest Court Overturns Acquittal of Amanda Knox
By Elisabetta Povoledo

The judges’ announcement that an earlier acquittal had been overturned was greeted by a shocked silence in the courtroom here.
...
On Tuesday, a reporter from Italian Sky TG24 television managed to reach the younger Mr. Sollecito on the telephone. “Right now, I can’t talk,” he said in a shaky voice. “I am sorry, have a good day.”


NEW YORK TIMES
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guermantes wrote:
Italy’s Highest Court Overturns Acquittal of Amanda Knox
By Elisabetta Povoledo

The judges’ announcement that an earlier acquittal had been overturned was greeted by a shocked silence in the courtroom here.
...
On Tuesday, a reporter from Italian Sky TG24 television managed to reach the younger Mr. Sollecito on the telephone. “Right now, I can’t talk,” he said in a shaky voice. “I am sorry, have a good day.”


NEW YORK TIMES


I'm sure he can't talk right now. He thought he was flying high....smug..all over the damn show..with his photos and media chit chat.

Just saw a bit of Showbiz tonight. The shrill Jane Velasquez...I immediately tune out. She just grates. And, an Entertainer reporter..from Seattle. He says the people in Seattle are shocked. He says that Knox's family had a huge PR effort to save their daughter..and will do the same this time.

Here's some news for them. Stale...been there..done that..bought the T-shirt.

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Someone has sent this tweet to CNN and AC360:

Anderson Cooper reviewed the evidence against Amanda Knox, and he left the viewer with the impression that there was no evidence that supported her conviction and the reversal of her acquittal. Anderson did not mention the knife with her DNA on the handle, and the victim's DNA on the blade, found at Amanda's boyfriend's house, where the victim never visited; there was her boyfriend's story that he had been working on his computer, but an examination of his computer revealed that was not true; etc


Read more: TwitLonger
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:19 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

There are some articulate and well-informed remarks in the comment section of the New York Times article (see link above); much more intelligent and mature than the average groupie commentary.

LaBelleRebelle
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I practiced criminal law for many years in America both as a prosecutor and a defense attorney and I can promise you that Amanda Knox would have had a very difficult time in an American court. Giving a false alibi, as she did, is considered "consciousness of guilt" in many jurisdictions and the jury is so instructed. Giving a false alibi is so dimly viewed by jurors that many defense lawyers are torn about presenting even a truthful alibi that could be undermined by the prosecution. Falsely implicating an innocent man, as she did, would very likely seal the deal in the absence of exculpatory evidence. In fact, there was no exculpatory evidence in this case. The DNA evidence was ambiguous at best, the crime-scene was mangled, witnesses were vague but many, many people are in American prisons on far weaker evidence, if they are alive at all. Those who are outraged about the Italian system should reflect about the failures of the American criminal justice system which have resulted in the actual execution of innocent people (cf Cameron Todd Willingham). I have no opinion on whether Amanda Knox was guilty or innocent. Even with my own clients I sometimes never knew. She was acquitted after a fair trial just as OJ Simpson was. I wonder how many of the people who are outraged about her potential retrial would have been delighted if the OJ verdict was revisited.


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The Italian Corte di Cassazione (not a Supreme Court, we are not dealing here with constitutional matter) judgment pertains to the technical (procedural) aspects of the trial, not the merit (facts). The judge struck down the sentence of the Appeal court by acknowledging that relevant evidence was not allowed in court. [Not exactly correct - G.] Amanda Knox presence for the retrial in Florence will not be mandated, and the extradition request would only and eventually be presented to the US in case she is found guilty at the end of the new trial. Please, let's stand back and let the judicial system try to come to a conclusion on this case, without overlapping our stereotypes and prejudices. This is the same system that found Amanda and Raffaele innocent 18 months ago, and is still struggling to deliver justice. A process of trials and errors at times, like in any other country.
The sad fact at the end is that all this will not matter at all. US maintains the basic de facto and arrogant principle that none of its citizens can be judged overseas. We have experienced it few times already in Italy in the past. Amanda will not be extradited because she is an American, period. The idea that the italian law "violates" US constitutional rights like the exemption from a "double jeopardy" is just a reflection of the same arrogant attitude. The crime was committed in Italy, a country were American students are very happy to embrace local law when it comes to drinking in what would be considered under age at home.


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Tweet me your thoughts about the new developments in the #AmandaKnox case...use #greta!


This came across my twitter feed & I clicked to her program in time to see Steve Moore in total meltdown.
Hopefully they post the clip.


I want to see that clip. Steve Moore's meltdown. Out of curiosity, I want to see if his hairpiece shifted :)

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:48 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

capealadin wrote:
louiehaha wrote:
Quote:
Greta Van Susteren ‏@gretawire 9m

Tweet me your thoughts about the new developments in the #AmandaKnox case...use #greta!


This came across my twitter feed & I clicked to her program in time to see Steve Moore in total meltdown.
Hopefully they post the clip.


I want to see that clip. Steve Moore's meltdown. Out of curiosity, I want to see if his hairpiece shifted :)


Enjoy.

http://www.foxnews.com/topics/amanda-knox.htm

He looks a total mess... like he's just hopped on his webcam. Same old lies--there is no evidence against her, she served four years in a prison for a crime she didn't commit, she'sfrustrated people believe she could commit murder, there's been no retrial ordered the court just wants more information, when she went to appeal there were only a couple of pieces of evidence that haven't been completely discredited but the independent panel threw them out as ridiculous now they want to know about the other evidence, she won't be extradicted because she has been exonerated...this is over.

It's so good to know that these lies don't cut it in the Italian courts.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:51 am   Post subject: BARBIE NADEAU GOT IT RIGHT   

Sorry for my overuse of the black box :) but I'm going to say this before I go enjoy this beautiful city, and three coins in the Trevi fountain to make sure I return :)
I was in Perugia for a whole week and spoke to many people there. And one thing I confirmed: It was a blonde hair, NOT a 'fiber', clutched in Meredith's hand. I think the Mellases and their surrogates owe Barbie Nadeau an apology for the way they treated this journalist for reporting the truth.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:54 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

This is really funny. Over on IIP...after much whining...Super8 ( he's got a great sense of humour) simply made a post with......

3 emoticons chomping on popcorn :D

The Foakers are in a hole. First...When Knox and Raf were found guilty......down with Italy.

Hellman acquits........Up with Italy.

Now...down with Italy.

Listen, Foakers..all that Italy did was to confirm the initial verdict..and right that fool Hellman's wrong. It has simply corrected a ridiculous decision.

And now..forward. We will all fight even HARDER to make sure this stands. Even after Hellman's stupidity, we are still here. KNOWING that Justice will prevail. Justice for Meredith..and her Family and loved ones.

We are calm and relaxed. We believe in the guilt of Knox and Raf.

For Knox and Raf. You can run, but you cannot hide.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:58 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

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capealadin wrote:
louiehaha wrote:
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Tweet me your thoughts about the new developments in the #AmandaKnox case...use #greta!


This came across my twitter feed & I clicked to her program in time to see Steve Moore in total meltdown.
Hopefully they post the clip.


I want to see that clip. Steve Moore's meltdown. Out of curiosity, I want to see if his hairpiece shifted :)


Enjoy.

http://www.foxnews.com/topics/amanda-knox.htm

He looks a total mess... like he's just hopped on his webcam. Same old lies--there is no evidence against her, she served four years in a prison for a crime she didn't commit, she'sfrustrated people believe she could commit murder, there's been no retrial ordered the court just wants more information, when she went to appeal there were only a couple of pieces of evidence that haven't been completely discredited but the independent panel threw them out as ridiculous now they want to know about the other evidence, she won't be extradicted because she has been exonerated...this is over.

It's so good to know that these lies don't cut it in the Italian courts.


Thanks very much, Louis. I will watch it now..but I have to ask. Is Michelle pulling out her fake hair..and wailing in the background? Mua-) I think it's in the best interests of the Knox/Mellas clan that the Moores NOT go to Italy. :)

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:59 am   Post subject: ABOUT THE KNIFE   

Note
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~ And another thing I learned in court: it will be up to the new appeal judge whether to order a retesting of the knife. AFAIK, Cassazione has NOT imposed any conditions on the Appeal.~
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 10:10 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

louiehaha wrote:
capealadin wrote:
louiehaha wrote:
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Greta Van Susteren ‏@gretawire 9m

Tweet me your thoughts about the new developments in the #AmandaKnox case...use #greta!


This came across my twitter feed & I clicked to her program in time to see Steve Moore in total meltdown.
Hopefully they post the clip.


I want to see that clip. Steve Moore's meltdown. Out of curiosity, I want to see if his hairpiece shifted :)


Enjoy.

http://www.foxnews.com/topics/amanda-knox.htm

He looks a total mess... like he's just hopped on his webcam. Same old lies--there is no evidence against her, she served four years in a prison for a crime she didn't commit, she'sfrustrated people believe she could commit murder, there's been no retrial ordered the court just wants more information, when she went to appeal there were only a couple of pieces of evidence that haven't been completely discredited but the independent panel threw them out as ridiculous now they want to know about the other evidence, she won't be extradicted because she has been exonerated...this is over.

It's so good to know that these lies don't cut it in the Italian courts.


WOW. :) That was not pretty. He's gone from a chipmonk to a fat hamster. He all a-twitter.

I don't think he did any yoga before the interview. He looked very uptight and desperate.

Maybe his big toe was bothering him :)

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 10:59 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

capealadin wrote:
Thanks very much, Louis. I will watch it now..but I have to ask. Is Michelle pulling out her fake hair..and wailing in the background? Mua-) I think it's in the best interests of the Knox/Mellas clan that the Moores NOT go to Italy. :)


Hey Capey, glad you're well m'dear :)

I think the best thing for the Knox gang is to pipe down, get their supporters to shut up, get the PR people to quell the media frenzy, stop the book/interviews and wait until this is properly over. There is a sizeable majority in the press comments and on twitter who have no problem calling this new appeal another attempt at justice and putting Knox in the same breath as Casey Anthony and Jodi Arias. If the Knox family want to win the PR battle in this round they need to stop wheeling out the likes of Stevie, MiMoo, KayPea etc as these people just make them look like idiots - the sort of Americans who think that Hawaii counts as going abroad. Even Ted Simon is looking pretty shady particularly as I've seen more than one person link to his original pro-guilt interview.

Two questions people, I hope someone can help.....

I think its mentioned in these threads and also on .org but I haven't heard a definitive answer yet. Son of Sam Laws - do they apply as her ladyship is not only a convicted criminal but also has been 'unacquitted' of murder yet is about to profit massively from it. If there is one campaign I plan to jump onboard with in the next few days is the campaign to either stop the book/interviews or get HC to commit to putting any royalties to one side until the final ruling in this case. That way HC recoup their investment but Knox doesn't make any money and the Kercher's know that they can bring a civil suit when this is all over.


Sollecito - when does he represent himself at Capanne and will the threat of serving a 25 year sentence whilst Knox remains in the USA be enough to break him? I know he's written a book but I can sense backtracking beginning.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 11:31 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

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Italian court orders new trial for Amanda Knox
Updated: 7:00 a.m. Tuesday, March 26, 2013 | Posted: 6:57 a.m. Tuesday, March 26, 2013
By FRANCES D'EMILIO
http://www.wftv.com/news/ap/crime/italy ... tal/nW4SL/

"She (Guilia Bongiorno) acknowledged that perhaps the appeals court ruling had been "too generous" in ruling that the pair simply did not commit the crime, but was confident that Sollecito's innocence would be affirmed."


It is very odd to describe an acquittal of two supposedly innocent people as "too generous". It could be interpreted as Giulia Bongiorno saying that they were in fact somehow responsible, but Raffaele should be found innocent because he played only a minor role. Raffaele Sollecito the whiner might take his chances and blame it all on Amanda Knox.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 11:40 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Well, my relief was short-lived. Now I'm back to frustrated and PO'ed again. Will we EVER see an honest newscaster in this country? One with balls enough to explain, from the Italian legal standpoint exactly where this case stands?

These newscasters, (Anderson Cooper tops among them) are giving what I consider 'fluff' opinions. No substance. Off-hand, going for the snide "We Americans" attitude. I watched a few moments of Anderson Live yesterday, and I wanted to vomit. He passed on some comment about people boycotting Italy, and said that he saw a tweet stating that The Olive Garden was going to be off-limits to the tweeter. He said this to the amusement of the audience.

To Anderson Cooper, Diane Sawyer, and the countless other 'newscasters' who have become nothing more that well made-up talking heads, I say: GROW A SET. Read the actual motivations reports. Take a weekend and educate yourselves. You can end up believing what you will, but, right now, you all come across as totally ignorant of the facts.

I've lost trust in all of these ratings-grabbing celebrities, who are clueless in the face of the present PR spin. Again.
Shame on all of you.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 12:17 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Napia5 wrote:
Well, my relief was short-lived. Now I'm back to frustrated and PO'ed again. Will we EVER see an honest newscaster in this country? One with balls enough to explain, from the Italian legal standpoint exactly where this case stands?

These newscasters, (Anderson Cooper tops among them) are giving what I consider 'fluff' opinions. No substance. Off-hand, going for the snide "We Americans" attitude. I watched a few moments of Anderson Live yesterday, and I wanted to vomit. He passed on some comment about people boycotting Italy, and said that he saw a tweet stating that The Olive Garden was going to be off-limits to the tweeter. He said this to the amusement of the audience.

To Anderson Cooper, Diane Sawyer, and the countless other 'newscasters' who have become nothing more that well made-up talking heads, I say: GROW A SET. Read the actual motivations reports. Take a weekend and educate yourselves. You can end up believing what you will, but, right now, you all come across as totally ignorant of the facts.

I've lost trust in all of these ratings-grabbing celebrities, who are clueless in the face of the present PR spin. Again.
Shame on all of you.


I don't understand this approach either. Apart from appealing to the lowest common denominator, what is to be gained from misrepresenting Italy in the US press?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 12:38 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Nothing is to be gained, daisysteiner. Nothing but ratings. Gather all of the sheep together, give them an American Flag, and wave it proudly for the sake of the poor, harrassed white girl.

I think some of these newspeople must get some sort of press packet or cue cards, or whatever, and just read what's in front of them, making sure the whole while they have no lipstick on their teeth. Can you imagine NEWS reporting, interviewing Steve Moore (who suddenly pops back up AGAIN) and Candace Dempsey?

Someone commented yesterday on one of the boards (sorry, I forget who, but you get the credit) that there has not been ONE Italian legal expert in attendance in any of the interviews. That's the way our news channels see things, I guess. We know it all. We have all the answers. Don't need anyone from Italy to explain what exactly happened.

It makes me cringe to think of just how much crap I've been handed over other stories. Let's try to find one, just one, with a little bit of credibility.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 1:05 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

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Nothing is to be gained, daisysteiner. Nothing but ratings. Gather all of the sheep together, give them an American Flag, and wave it proudly for the sake of the poor, harrassed white girl.

I think some of these newspeople must get some sort of press packet or cue cards, or whatever, and just read what's in front of them, making sure the whole while they have no lipstick on their teeth. Can you imagine NEWS reporting, interviewing Steve Moore (who suddenly pops back up AGAIN) and Candace Dempsey?

Someone commented yesterday on one of the boards (sorry, I forget who, but you get the credit) that there has not been ONE Italian legal expert in attendance in any of the interviews. That's the way our news channels see things, I guess. We know it all. We have all the answers. Don't need anyone from Italy to explain what exactly happened.

It makes me cringe to think of just how much crap I've been handed over other stories. Let's try to find one, just one, with a little bit of credibility.


But it can't be ratings unless CNN and the like really do want the 'Murica crowd as their core audience OR the 'Murica crowd is the majority population group in the USA which I refuse to believe. I thought Fox had those guys covered and suitably scared enough to keep watching them? Jodi Arias/Casey Anthony proved that the "femme fatale" angle still flies with the viewing public so why not just tell the brutal truth that each side of this has to face? For the pro-guilt crowd, I think we need to accept that the evidence collection wasn't as amazing as it could have been. Not as bad as the FOA would have you believe but the prosecution/police weren't perfect - to be fair, I think we all accept this to differing degrees. For the other side, they need to drop the angelic Amanda meme and tell people that she isn't kooky, she's properly nuts and whether she is the murdering kind of nuts is down to the Italian judiciary (which is good enough to have a signed extradition treaty so it must be OK in the eyes of the US Government). The press also need to accept and advise the public that Knox lied and has been properly convicted for it including the €000's AK owes Patrick. I swear that if I hear the "lie conviction based on a confession extracted after 54 hours of interrogation" shit one more time...

Also, Sollecito is the invisible man, the media have just decided to drop the pretense of interest in him as he doesn't make a good story. Knox could coin off the attention right now if she wanted; Sollecito would have trouble getting arrested outside of Italy as no one knows or indeed cares who he is amongst the general public.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 1:11 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Morning Daisy :)

You must be getting ready for THE Wedding, right? Lovely...

Well, we're on the same page. I mentioned upthread about the Son of Sam Law. I also want to know if that applies. I'm guessing not, because otherwise the book would be on hold.

Thinking about all the similarities tween Arias and Knox.

Both share the same Birthday,
Their mothers look like sisters.
Both say..WAIT FOR IT....they wouldn't kill a spider.
Both used knives.
Both call their victims friends.
Both are wannabe singers.
Both denigrade their victims.
Both have so far spent 4 years in prison.
Both did cartwheels..yoga in the police station.
Both blamed others for the crime.
Both now wear glasses.

I'm sure there's more. Oh..riiiiiight. Both are guilty.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 1:21 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Now..how are they going to keep Guede quiet? This has to be making nervous nellies for some people.

Because..Guede was livid when he knew he was being held solely responsible. I'm thinking he's ready to sing like a canary.

The supporters ( includes tunnel vision journalists ) AND..I use that term very, very lightly...
are in for some rude awakenings. The tide WILL turn....things are going to happen that are REALLY going to upset the applecart. Starting with Bongiorno...

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 1:21 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Thank you everyone for the constant updates and translations, great day for justice and Meredith's family.

Regarding the press reporting this is nothing short of disgusting, they have basically became a part of the PR/FOA with the miss reporting of myths & lies on behalf of a brutal murderer and her ex jailbird boyfriend.

Expect a full blown all out PR/groupie offensive any time now, it will put another nail in AK & RS coffin as I believe Italy has had a gut full of all the lies and smearing.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 1:24 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Yes Daisy..Knox could really ride the gravy train right now. Something tells me she's pretty tight with her $$$'s. Treating her man to a new pair of pants would be nice..for starters.

You may be sure Knox's family and friends will be out there fighting for her. She's their Cash Cow.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 1:25 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

capealadin wrote:
Morning Daisy :)

You must be getting ready for THE Wedding, right? Lovely...

Well, we're on the same page. I mentioned upthread about the Son of Sam Law. I also want to know if that applies. I'm guessing not, because otherwise the book would be on hold.

Thinking about all the similarities tween Arias and Knox.

Both share the same Birthday,
Their mothers look like sisters.
Both say..WAIT FOR IT....they wouldn't kill a spider.
Both used knives.
Both call their victims friends.
Both are wannabe singers.
Both denigrade their victims.
Both have so far spent 4 years in prison.
Both did cartwheels..yoga in the police station.
Both blamed others for the crime.
Both now wear glasses.

I'm sure there's more. Oh..riiiiiight. Both are guilty.


We are indeed Cape :) this time next year, we'll have been married for a month and the tans from Sri Lanka will have faded somewhat! The UK weather might make me elope somewhere hot before then though. Snow at the end of March is just unacceptable and I need to complain to my MP :)

Son of Sam will apply if Knox is convicted and that convicted is upheld when it goes to the SC for the final time. So essentially what HC are saying to Knox is this is double or quits. If the release the book and Knox is reconvicted then the SoS laws will apply surely? The law can go after Knox but HC will have made their money, recouped their expenses and will no longer give a toss what happens to her. I imagine $4m doesn't go very far when fighting extradition with US lawyers as well as the additional costs for Knox fighting this new appeal. Knox could be repaying the Kerchers and Patrick for a very long time, I understand that both have recourse to the US courts to go after Amanda. If Stephanie Kercher decides to go this route, she just needs to say how much she needs and I'll fund raise on street corners to make sure Knox has her day in a US civil court where she will lose as the burden of proof is "balance of probabilities" rather than reasonable doubt. I wonder how the US media will report that court loss?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 1:28 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

daisysteiner wrote:
Napia5 wrote:
Nothing is to be gained, daisysteiner. Nothing but ratings. Gather all of the sheep together, give them an American Flag, and wave it proudly for the sake of the poor, harrassed white girl.

I think some of these newspeople must get some sort of press packet or cue cards, or whatever, and just read what's in front of them, making sure the whole while they have no lipstick on their teeth. Can you imagine NEWS reporting, interviewing Steve Moore (who suddenly pops back up AGAIN) and Candace Dempsey?

Someone commented yesterday on one of the boards (sorry, I forget who, but you get the credit) that there has not been ONE Italian legal expert in attendance in any of the interviews. That's the way our news channels see things, I guess. We know it all. We have all the answers. Don't need anyone from Italy to explain what exactly happened.

It makes me cringe to think of just how much crap I've been handed over other stories. Let's try to find one, just one, with a little bit of credibility.


But it can't be ratings unless CNN and the like really do want the 'Murica crowd as their core audience OR the 'Murica crowd is the majority population group in the USA which I refuse to believe. I thought Fox had those guys covered and suitably scared enough to keep watching them? Jodi Arias/Casey Anthony proved that the "femme fatale" angle still flies with the viewing public so why not just tell the brutal truth that each side of this has to face? For the pro-guilt crowd, I think we need to accept that the evidence collection wasn't as amazing as it could have been. Not as bad as the FOA would have you believe but the prosecution/police weren't perfect - to be fair, I think we all accept this to differing degrees. For the other side, they need to drop the angelic Amanda meme and tell people that she isn't kooky, she's properly nuts and whether she is the murdering kind of nuts is down to the Italian judiciary (which is good enough to have a signed extradition treaty so it must be OK in the eyes of the US Government). The press also need to accept and advise the public that Knox lied and has been properly convicted for it including the €000's AK owes Patrick. I swear that if I hear the "lie conviction based on a confession extracted after 54 hours of interrogation" shit one more time...

Also, Sollecito is the invisible man, the media have just decided to drop the pretense of interest in him as he doesn't make a good story. Knox could coin off the attention right now if she wanted; Sollecito would have trouble getting arrested outside of Italy as no one knows or indeed cares who he is amongst the general public.



"Murica". I love this! Sums up most of the internet. And You're right about evidence collection and things not being perfect. Is it ever? In any case. I hate to bring up the OJ trial, as I didn't watch any of it, but I DID read Christopher Darden's book about the trial. Did you know that the prosecution team found the chartered yacht, fully stocked and staffed, waiting for OJ at the end of his notorious Bronco ride? That Darden and part of the team actually went to see the hired captain and staff, and then decided that there was enough evidence to convict so they didn't present this as evidence of his full plan to escape to a country with no extradition?

Casey Anthony, also, would probably have been convicted if the prosecution had added lesser charges to its list. The jury had few alternatives. Point being, there are ALWAYS mistakes in every investigation. In every court case. And allowing accused murderers to wiggle through any loop-hole of imperfection does society no good that I can see.

In this case, the public is being fed a continuing line of misconception. And Greta interviewing Steve-o proves it.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 1:35 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

jeffski wrote:
Thank you everyone for the constant updates and translations, great day for justice and Meredith's family.

Regarding the press reporting this is nothing short of disgusting, they have basically became a part of the PR/FOA with the miss reporting of myths & lies on behalf of a brutal murderer and her ex jailbird boyfriend.

Expect a full blown all out PR/groupie offensive any time now, it will put another nail in AK & RS coffin as I believe Italy has had a gut full of all the lies and smearing.

Jeff


Damned straight, Jeff. And...this time..with the Circus leaving town...( they won't be going to Italy..that's for sure....) it's going to play out a lot differently.

Cool heads will prevail..and Knox..her family..the hanger ons..are in for a rude awakening..when their words , insults and lies come back to haunt them. Raf's already in serious trouble over what he put in his book.

The Italians are going to hear everything that's been said..and what is going to be said. Because..Knox's supporters CANNOT shut up.

This time..I hope the Kerchers have some kind of representatives. They need to be counted. They need to be front and forward for Justice to prevail for Meredith. I'd like their voices to be heard more than it was. I don't mean the spin and trumpeting and..the coarseness of the Knox/Mellas/cohorts.

I just don't want Meredith..THE victim...to be drowned out and be forgotten.this time.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 1:44 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

daisysteiner wrote:
capealadin wrote:
Morning Daisy :)

You must be getting ready for THE Wedding, right? Lovely...

Well, we're on the same page. I mentioned upthread about the Son of Sam Law. I also want to know if that applies. I'm guessing not, because otherwise the book would be on hold.

Thinking about all the similarities tween Arias and Knox.

Both share the same Birthday,
Their mothers look like sisters.
Both say..WAIT FOR IT....they wouldn't kill a spider.
Both used knives.
Both call their victims friends.
Both are wannabe singers.
Both denigrade their victims.
Both have so far spent 4 years in prison.
Both did cartwheels..yoga in the police station.
Both blamed others for the crime.
Both now wear glasses.

I'm sure there's more. Oh..riiiiiight. Both are guilty.


We are indeed Cape :) this time next year, we'll have been married for a month and the tans from Sri Lanka will have faded somewhat! The UK weather might make me elope somewhere hot before then though. Snow at the end of March is just unacceptable and I need to complain to my MP :)

Son of Sam will apply if Knox is convicted and that convicted is upheld when it goes to the SC for the final time. So essentially what HC are saying to Knox is this is double or quits. If the release the book and Knox is reconvicted then the SoS laws will apply surely? The law can go after Knox but HC will have made their money, recouped their expenses and will no longer give a toss what happens to her. I imagine $4m doesn't go very far when fighting extradition with US lawyers as well as the additional costs for Knox fighting this new appeal. Knox could be repaying the Kerchers and Patrick for a very long time, I understand that both have recourse to the US courts to go after Amanda. If Stephanie Kercher decides to go this route, she just needs to say how much she needs and I'll fund raise on street corners to make sure Knox has her day in a US civil court where she will lose as the burden of proof is "balance of probabilities" rather than reasonable doubt. I wonder how the US media will report that court loss?


Here's the thing though, Daisy. You can bet on this. Knox's money is already been *hidden*. She'll be showing that she has no funds. Remember O.J.? The Goldman's never could collect a bean.

Of course though..O.J. in trying to be clever..is now spending the rest of his life in prison. For trying to get money for his sports memorabilia..under the table. It's called Karma.

Casey Anthony has just declared bankrupcy..in case Gonzalez collects on her claim.

However..there is some satisfaction knowing that they will have to spend a pretty penny on her defense. The lawyers won't be acting pro-bono..not by a long shot.

And Papa is going to have to be forking over a ton of Euro's for Bongiorno. She doesn't come cheap :)

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 1:48 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

capealadin wrote:
Now..how are they going to keep Guede quiet? This has to be making nervous nellies for some people.

Because..Guede was livid when he knew he was being held solely responsible. I'm thinking he's ready to sing like a canary.

The supporters ( includes tunnel vision journalists ) AND..I use that term very, very lightly...
are in for some rude awakenings. The tide WILL turn....things are going to happen that are REALLY going to upset the applecart. Starting with Bongiorno...


Sollecito and Guede both need to be controlled by the FOA. Sollecito as dumb as they come but he's not dumb enough to do 25 years for Amanda whilst she living her charmed $4m life in Seattle regardless of what he wrote in his book. Guede will come out of jail just as the new appeal hits the courts and he will have absolutely nothing to lose at that point as he really will be covered by the Italian version of double jeopardy! He can say what he likes, including telling the sort of lies he believes have been told about him. He can also make a pact with Sollecito to minimise Raf's involvement and make sure Amanda does the time. He can do anything and after the Knox lead PR assault, she's going to be the last person Guede helps.

For the benefit of IIP, the average sentence served for murder in the UK is *wait for it* seven years so if Guede does between 7 and 10 inside then I'm ok with that providing he tells a full story and is properly remorseful. As I would be if Amanda and Raffaele told a better version of the truth than their current efforts and served their time quietly like Guede has. He's murdering scum but he's served his time and paid his due - something else we Europeans are big on is rehabilitation. Its possible to kill someone (even someone as kind and amazing as Meredith), serve time and then come out to be a productive member of society, *gasp* imagine that! In fact, if Guede wants to make any sort of amends, then living a quiet productive life would be the best start I can think of.
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And..a couple of observations. ABC reports that Knox will be at a disadvantage..because she won't be there to testify or give * spontaneous declarations *.

Excuuuuuuuse Me. Defendants in Italy can lie with impunity. And do. With NO penalties.

Also...There won't be any fundraising this time for Knox. People will figure with all that lolly from the book, she doesn't need any. Dingdingdingdingding.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 2:01 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

daisysteiner wrote:
capealadin wrote:
Now..how are they going to keep Guede quiet? This has to be making nervous nellies for some people.

Because..Guede was livid when he knew he was being held solely responsible. I'm thinking he's ready to sing like a canary.

The supporters ( includes tunnel vision journalists ) AND..I use that term very, very lightly...
are in for some rude awakenings. The tide WILL turn....things are going to happen that are REALLY going to upset the applecart. Starting with Bongiorno...


Sollecito and Guede both need to be controlled by the FOA. Sollecito as dumb as they come but he's not dumb enough to do 25 years for Amanda whilst she living her charmed $4m life in Seattle regardless of what he wrote in his book. Guede will come out of jail just as the new appeal hits the courts and he will have absolutely nothing to lose at that point as he really will be covered by the Italian version of double jeopardy! He can say what he likes, including telling the sort of lies he believes have been told about him. He can also make a pact with Sollecito to minimise Raf's involvement and make sure Amanda does the time. He can do anything and after the Knox lead PR assault, she's going to be the last person Guede helps.

For the benefit of IIP, the average sentence served for murder in the UK is *wait for it* seven years so if Guede does between 7 and 10 inside then I'm ok with that providing he tells a full story and is properly remorseful. As I would be if Amanda and Raffaele told a better version of the truth than their current efforts and served their time quietly like Guede has. He's murdering scum but he's served his time and paid his due - something else we Europeans are big on is rehabilitation. Its possible to kill someone (even someone as kind and amazing as Meredith), serve time and then come out to be a productive member of society, *gasp* imagine that! In fact, if Guede wants to make any sort of amends, then living a quiet productive life would be the best start I can think of.


You are absolutely on point. PING. It has always been my belief ( and hope) that Guede would spill the beans. It has been explained to me why that would not happen.

However...I do believe he will. And..the timing will be perfect. Now..I would like it if Knox and Raf had seperate trials. I'm led to believe that won't happen...but I'm wondering if there can be seperate verdicts? Because if so......ahhhhhhh..then things are going to happen. BIG time.

Steel Balls Bongiorno will pull out all the stops. Guede is in Italy. He'll have Bongiorno and Papa.

And, Guede will have nothing to fear from the American Contingent. And the good thing about this..is the truth..or close..will come out. And the Kerchers will finally know what happened to their Darling. Because..they need to know.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 2:17 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Bongiorno has already let the cat out of the bag. She's a sharpie..I'll give her that. Papa loathes Knox...and Raf is not going to spend any more time in prison..that's a heavy price for a weeks worth of nookie.

He is guilty..yes. But Knox was the instigator..the raison d'etre...and ultimately the killer.

Raf played a part...and Guede. But the motive was Knox's. She wanted Meredith dead. We shall see how Bongiorno minimizes Raf's involvement. He's going to have to tell her the story. And..the story WILL change. For SURE.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 2:25 pm   Post subject: Re: BARBIE NADEAU GOT IT RIGHT   

Ergon wrote:
Sorry for my overuse of the black box :) but I'm going to say this before I go enjoy this beautiful city, and three coins in the Trevi fountain to make sure I return :)
I was in Perugia for a whole week and spoke to many people there. And one thing I confirmed: It was a blonde hair, NOT a 'fiber', clutched in Meredith's hand. I think the Mellases and their surrogates owe Barbie Nadeau an apology for the way they treated this journalist for reporting the truth.


Ergon


Always looked like it to me. Of course we would hear the 'yes, it was her hair... but she lived there' mantra over and over again. wm)
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 2:31 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Ergon wrote:
Nope , but thanks for asking, Napia 5 , no way that Guede could have thrown that rock the way it is said to have been thrown from the parking area (the angles are all wrong, imo) nor could he have climbed, perched on the ledge, and manipulated the latch through the broken glass.

Btw, the monkey lawyer, s I unkindly named him after his pic appeared in Sollecito's book, was sitting in front of me in court.

The cottage gate is barred, and I wasnt going to intrude on the family that lived there.



A very good day for all concerned for Meredith and the Kerchers. I had a once-in-a-couple-of-years-rare look at the innocenti moithering away after this and it struck me once again how very, very few of them seem to understand anything about the legal process or to have taken the point that this isn't anything to do with piling on or discriminating, but it is the very highest court in the land, with a nation's most experienced judges ruling on multiple counts that Hellman was fundamentally unsafe in his process, logic and judicial handling for the appeal to stand. His ruling incompetent for the purposes of that ruling standing in law.

Nor do any of them seem to understand that there isn't double jeapordy here - an appeal is being re-run not an original trial.

Sigh. Oh well.

One thing Ergon - I'm surprised your impression was that the rock couldn't be thrown from the parking area. It is basically entirely flat to the window in question and not much of a distance. It certainly couldn't be lobbed up from where Rudy was supposed to have climbed, but the parking lot throw looked easy to me. First picture below, I took on my visit. 2nd picture shows the top down.

http://perugiamurderfile.org/gallery/im ... w=no_count
http://perugiamurderfile.org/gallery/im ... w=no_count

Also see http://perugiamurderfile.org/gallery/im ... w=no_count
http://perugiamurderfile.org/gallery/im ... w=no_count

Now the angle of the shutters etc and the climb - a very different matter.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 2:32 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Enjoy your trip, Zorba.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 2:33 pm   Post subject: Re: BARBIE NADEAU GOT IT RIGHT   

dgfred wrote:
Ergon wrote:
Sorry for my overuse of the black box :) but I'm going to say this before I go enjoy this beautiful city, and three coins in the Trevi fountain to make sure I return :)
I was in Perugia for a whole week and spoke to many people there. And one thing I confirmed: It was a blonde hair, NOT a 'fiber', clutched in Meredith's hand. I think the Mellases and their surrogates owe Barbie Nadeau an apology for the way they treated this journalist for reporting the truth.


Ergon


Always looked like it to me. Of course we would hear the 'yes, it was her hair... but she lived there' mantra over and over again. wm)



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 2:52 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

SomeAlibi wrote:
Ergon wrote:
Nope , but thanks for asking, Napia 5 , no way that Guede could have thrown that rock the way it is said to have been thrown from the parking area (the angles are all wrong, imo) nor could he have climbed, perched on the ledge, and manipulated the latch through the broken glass.

Btw, the monkey lawyer, s I unkindly named him after his pic appeared in Sollecito's book, was sitting in front of me in court.

The cottage gate is barred, and I wasnt going to intrude on the family that lived there.



A very good day for all concerned for Meredith and the Kerchers. I had a once-in-a-couple-of-years-rare look at the innocenti moithering away after this and it struck me once again how very, very few of them seem to understand anything about the legal process or to have taken the point that this isn't anything to do with piling on or discriminating, but it is the very highest court in the land, with a nation's most experienced judges ruling on multiple counts that Hellman was fundamentally unsafe in his process, logic and judicial handling for the appeal to stand. His ruling incompetent for the purposes of that ruling standing in law.

Nor do any of them seem to understand that there isn't double jeapordy here - an appeal is being re-run not an original trial.

Sigh. Oh well.

One thing Ergon - I'm surprised your impression was that the rock couldn't be thrown from the parking area. It is basically entirely flat to the window in question and not much of a distance. It certainly couldn't be lobbed up from where Rudy was supposed to have climbed, but the parking lot throw looked easy to me. First picture below, I took on my visit. 2nd picture shows the top down.

http://perugiamurderfile.org/gallery/im ... w=no_count
http://perugiamurderfile.org/gallery/im ... w=no_count

Also see http://perugiamurderfile.org/gallery/im ... w=no_count
http://perugiamurderfile.org/gallery/im ... w=no_count

Now the angle of the shutters etc and the climb - a very different matter.


Hi Somealibi :)

Yes. VERY good..thank The Lord no fools like Hellman on the panel. As you say..the Finest made the ruling.

And..yes..taking a gander at the Foakers. Sigh. Absolutely clueless. To the point..that I might..even believing in innocence..be forced to change sides rather than deal with the inane. Or be bored to death :)

I'm kidding, of course...about the changing of the sides bit.

I remember your videos and photos. They are excellent..and I remember the parking lot scenario. And, Knox/Raf/ had to have lobbed it from somewhere. Unless..one wants to go with the * Guede carried the 10lb rock as he balanced on a nail..climbed up..did the basketball leap..using one hand all the while..and left nary a mark. Yeah..that's a plausible explanation ..if you're desperate or insane.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 2:57 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Bit hard to explain, Louis..a single hair and a single fingerprint. :) when you live there. Add to that, Knox's loathing of housekeeping. And showers. Both of which she made up for..big time..in a few hours. sun-)

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 3:46 pm   Post subject: Re: BARBIE NADEAU GOT IT RIGHT   

dgfred wrote:
Ergon wrote:
Sorry for my overuse of the black box :) but I'm going to say this before I go enjoy this beautiful city, and three coins in the Trevi fountain to make sure I return :)
I was in Perugia for a whole week and spoke to many people there. And one thing I confirmed: It was a blonde hair, NOT a 'fiber', clutched in Meredith's hand. I think the Mellases and their surrogates owe Barbie Nadeau an apology for the way they treated this journalist for reporting the truth.


Ergon


Always looked like it to me. Of course we would hear the 'yes, it was her hair... but she lived there' mantra over and over again. wm)



Very interesting, Ergon. And that was the hair that got lost and was never tested, do I remember that right?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 3:52 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Reported on HLN Amanda's book will still be released. She will still go on an extensive promotion/interview tour.

They also said since Amanda was acquitted, it will be 'double jeopardy' not allowed in US.

Idiots don't understand it is NOT 'double jeopardy' since, under Italian Justice system, only the highest court can uphold the ruling.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 3:54 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

capealadin wrote:
And..a couple of observations. ABC reports that Knox will be at a disadvantage..because she won't be there to testify or give * spontaneous declarations *.

Excuuuuuuuse Me. Defendants in Italy can lie with impunity. And do. With NO penalties.

Also...There won't be any fundraising this time for Knox. People will figure with all that lolly from the book, she doesn't need any. Dingdingdingdingding.


Want my most cynical thought since the appeal was approved? I'll bet my house that Knox is pregnant/has a kid before this hits the SC for the final time, especially if this re-run appeal goes against her. She'll do literally anything to beat this charge. If Sollecito breaks, she'll be pregnant before Bongiorno gets to Raffaele's house to take his new statement. I'm a woman and if I were in Knox's shoes, with Knox's moral compass/sociopathic tendencies, I'd be pregnant already. Hell will freeze before the US extradites a pregnant woman/recent mother, a single girl with no ties has more chance of being extradited. Sad fact.

Huge apologies for the cynicism but desperate times...out of all the things I want the FOA to refute and be right, I hope this is one of those things. I'll even apologise if Knox is without child and not pregnant come the final SC round.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:11 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

NYT article.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/27/world ... wanted=all

The comment section is interesting. More reasoned, intelligent comments than I expected.
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