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XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31, 12 - MARCH 29, 13 (S)

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:38 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Well folks guess according to Madam Bruce's logic, if everything Frank says is true, we all ought to call the old guy that helped Frank a liar too.

How does Frank's boyfriend Bruce protect the object of his affection (Madam Frank) with respect to/against the old guy, I am thinking, by saying nothing about it, therefore Frank's pawn is important for the rest of his board is in danger of all being paper mache, all of those things that Frank said, ah, oh dear, all lies, poor Bruce.

What I don't get, is where this man popped up from and why, does he feel for Knox and Sollecito, really?
Maybe he too has some oddity like Frank does with his trying to get around Knox and acting aggressively towards women, maybe he has a few females cemented under his patio.

But, to be honest, he is not doing any of this for Frank his girlfriend, in fact, after they all, like with Steve Moore they all shared a Seattle hot tub and Frank stole his drawers, he hated him, but he is doing this for the game he plays, that's IN GRAVE DANGER of dissolving back into the form from whence it came, dust or was it shite.

Anyway, if Frank beats up any more girls, we know now it must be all her fault, cos Bruce said so.

Women, if Frank batters ya, don't bother complaining as we know you bashed him first with your handbag, after all, he was whining to the police about it.

Officer: Now now what's going on, calm down sir

Frank: She do it, it not me, she did it, that thing

Officer: What

Frank: It hit me with the bag

Officer: Calm down sir, and please stop hollering at the top of your voice

Frank: I no understand, why you not arrest it, I am damaged, I know my rights, I sue you

Officer: Sir, I must read you your rights, please stop poking me

Frank: Don't to tell me, I'm a lawyer a judge and a journalist, you are a nothing

Police: Listen sir, Imma have ta run you down town to headquarters

Frank: What? Where, I am Frank, I sue you, and then go with pension, how much you earn and how much you got? (pretends to be a tough guy unafraid of the cops but........

Sound of handcuffs and smell a poo....

Presently the hall has filled up with guests wondering which guy has the falsetto voice, whining about a girl who paid his bills

Frank: I sue you, I sue her, I sue the hotel, where's my cocktail

POLICE HEADQUARTERS
2nd Cop: I can get you a drink of water sir, you are foaming at the mouth?

Frank: Waaaaaaaaaaaaaater.......................? ... I sue you !!!

Officer: I'm afraid I have to book you sir for molesting a female

Reads rights

Officer: Do you understand sìr?

Frank: No speak English, I sue you

Officer: Sir, you are entitled to make one telephone call, is there anyone you can contact, your mother or so?

Frank: No my wife

Go ahead

Frank: sound of crying ah ah ahhhh, they hit me, they abuse me

Bruce: Whaat, who?

Frank: the police, it not feed me for 10 days nor give water, they ask me many questions, they say I'm a liar, I've been up all night answering questions, save me

Bruce: You only left here two days ago Frank, You just hang in there boy, can't come now have to write ma blog. Tell em you'll sue them, that should work, don't say you'll kill them.

Frank: They beat me, not feed me, I answer the questions for 6 days straight, that's why

Bruce: Oh dear Frank, well, just you hang on in there buddy, I forgive ya for stealing ma drawers in Seattle, I didn't know ya was that poor, thought ya was a jern a ist.

Officer: Ok your time is up, say goodbye to your girlfriend, here is your bread and water

Frank: Bye my big pal

Bruce: You just hang on in there old buddy, we had a whip round and have bought ya a six pack of pants for Christmas, and a ticket back.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:54 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Oh he had a ticket back to Italy all right, but you mean the New Year's bash, er, party? ;)
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:59 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Ergon wrote:
Oh he had a ticket back to Italy all right, but you mean the New Year's bash, er, party? ;)



A Not Very Pleasant Christmas Tale to Warm Your Cockles (non-fiction)

Yes, indeed, the not so bashful Basher's Party, killers attracting other dysfunctionals, is it really so surprising methinks NOT; I wouldn't have expected to see it any other way, it's not like Three Wise Men are gonna arrive at their doors there in Seattleria, annointing the Holy Ones with oils and sweet waters of life, when they support the taking of said life.

Knoxen: Oh hello, Jesus you say, do come in, please look at our good works, murder? Oh well, let's ignore that

Outside crunching onto the icy earthen garden, and eyes peering in through the kitchen window

Jesu: Who is that

Knoxen: Oh nobody, just some guy called Frank who won't go away, wish we'd never bought him!

Jesu: What does he do?

Knoxen: Well, he ain't done murdered nobody yet that we know of but..

Jesu: I see, and you, what have you done?

Knoxen: ... er, hum, er, ah?

Jesus: Okay then, I hereby announce that you deserve to go to heaven

Knoxen: Heaven???

Jesu: Yes, because you are such honest and kind people are you not?

Knoxen: Well, er, yes, well, mm, ah, she dint do it, I swear Jesu

Jesu: Do what?

Knoxen: Nothing

Knock Knock

Knoxen: Who is there?

Morononi, Steve Morononi, I come bearing gifts

Knoxen: Ah that's the good disciple Mr Morononi and his wife, Madam Slice Short

Knoxen: Okay Mr Jesu, let me show you to your crib in the barn, do ya eat lamb? Cos we have a tradition in the family of slaughtering them, meet ma daughter...

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 8:28 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Jackie wrote:
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Thank you PMF for giving me a voice. I found Ergon to be fair and accurate.

Shame on Bruce for covering my truth while promoting the lies of
frank. I thought you guys were about the truth...

Now everyone can judge for themselves. I am available to answer questions (truthfully).

Best, Bettina


Hi, Bettina - Once upon a time, I represented accused and, as a result, had occasion to defend men accused of battering their wives/ girlfriends in circumstances where no one, apart from the alleged victim and the accused, witnessed the 'unlawful application of force' in question.

At trial, these cases amounted to little more than 'lopsided' credibility contests - I say lopsided because, while the accused is (rightfully) afforded many protections under the law (the right to silence, the presumption of innocence, restrictive rules of evidence, etc.), the victim is not: generally, she must take the stand and face a withering, ofttimes humiliating cross-examination at the hands of the accused's defense lawyer.

In effect, I was able to declare 'Open Season' on the women who took the stand against my clients, while said clients were free to avoid the tortures of cross-examination altogether. Even when a client with a history of domestic abuse would elect to take the stand, he could rest easy knowing the prosecution was barred from cross-examining him about his prior bad acts/ convictions unless, of course, he made the mistake of putting his 'character in issue' (for example, by asserting something along the lines of, "I'm a peaceful, non-violent man").

To this day, I pray that what I had to do to those women helped to achieve the ends of justice somehow - It is an awful thing to think that they were telling the truth and I was unwittingly helping their abuser to re-victimize them.

It was my duty to take those clients at their word and represent them zealously, but there is something truly perverse about a system that puts an accused (who may well be guilty - most cases do not entail wrongful accusations) on a pedestal while subjecting his (alleged) victim to yet another attack (albeit verbal) - in full view of the pubic - that stands to add even more damage to her dignity, spirit and soul.

To the extent that you, like so many women, have been abused only to find yourself intimidated by the prospect of taking the stand, my heart goes out to you.


PS That sentiment does not depend in any way on your beliefs about what really happened to Meredith - I have no problem with "true believers" on either side of the debate, so long as they're doing their best to sort fact from fiction which, in this case, is, IMHO, no easy task thanks to the language barrier, the sorry state of the 4th estate and the PR games afoot (the questions now raised about "Frank's" credibility, and the credibility of those who have endorsed him, are just the tip of the proverbial iceberg).

Thanks for your story Jackie. Thanks for the empathy. Frank will get his due for the things he did...it is all piling up on him, kinda like all those perugian police...gasp.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 1:38 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Hi Tamale I think above all you should be commended for your courage. A quick look on the BF site reveal the crass and slippery nature of those that attack you. Your story or what hasn't been erased no doubt will prevent another victim from being taken advantage of by Frank. It is interesting that no one is willing to mention the other victim in Canada which verifies your experience. Those two events display more than a little 'temper' or personality differences that they try to put it down to. Merry Christmas Malvern
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 1:50 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Good work Ergon, for providing a clear overview about those matters regarding Frank & Bruce's lying.
Thing is, Frank or any foreigner, doesn't simply get to stay, even if you happen to be loaded it does not guarantee you being able to stay longer than the terms applicable for visitors, and you can get those extended a few times, but once the authorities suss out you are simply going back n forth over the border for a few days in order to return and be able to have another visitor stay, they tend to put a halt to that, if they didn't it'd mean there'd be no use in having such rules on immigration, etc. This of course means Frank would really need a marriage, and to get to stay for a longer period, with no rights to seek employment, he'd need to show funds, like his own wealth, or have a degree of wealth guaranteed by another, meaning someone has to stand guarantee, that they can then show they have more than enough money, to pay for you, therefore that you will in no way be a burden on the state.
Any such attempt to get this kind of status will already be hampered by his past behaviour, and those facts about Canada, and Hawaii are going to be known by the state, as it is searchable everywhere online, so they only need to know his different names, and as they are not silly they are going to find out everything they need to know even without the police reports. None of those great friends stood up and said, well Frank, listen, I have enough money, feel free, come and live on our land/in our home, those with a big mouth about him, used him, in exactly the same way he has tried to use everyone else, after all, you get only as good as you give, surely.

Now, after cocktailing his troubles away where he could, the harsh reality of his actual situation, back home, penniless except for a bit of pocket money from his benefactor, but just how far does 300 go? like, it will not even pay for a room, let alone the rest, so he'll be pleased with it, because it'll buy him some food, but considering the way he has behaved, he may have to eat it in the park, under some bridge where he sleeps.

I'm not sure if you are quite so uptight and heavy (as he), that there will be people calling out for you to come and stay with them, I think right now he is causing trouble with his family, demanding stuff, and they are trying to protect the mother from him and his heaviness, this may be wrong but I am guessing it may be exactly what is happening.


I expect his next stop was/will be the Sollecito family residence, he may kind of blackmail Sollecito, he can say he knows certain things, I know for sure he wants to find out who it was that committed the murder, as in no way did he give a flying fuck about either Knox or Sollecito; he is as manipulative as they are.

He is playing a dangerous game, but he is not done yet, because of his actions, online, all the stuff he said, I'm serious about him blackmailing people; the situation is pretty near done, he is of no use to any of them, and there are going to be people who even if they support Knox are never going to keep believing Bruce, and if they want to cut loose from him, that's when the pig will start squealing, he doesn't come free of charge, they used him and he knew that; he is not going to let them dictate; he is at least as devious as any of those supporting Knox, maybe even more so.

It's really going to become a problem for them. He needs their money, he is broke and always was.
His blog wasn't open but a week and it had a ''donate here'' button, I mean what the hell is that shit, donate here, when you are a nobody blogger like he was/definitely was, his blogs before Meredith died were all checked out (we looked at them and they are probably still searchable); theere were a couple (of business site attempts) had 2 visitors and showed him trying to sell salami and wine.

His bitterness, towards others, accusing everyone of being a nothing, is the result of his own situation, as he is a nothing, has nothing, and being that way drives his harshness.

I mean, how - if you have never met any of the people you are speaking about, like online, so many people - can you make such sweeping statements? and then expect to be taken seriously, for of course you can never know all of the people you demean, and the statement can never ever be true.
How could he ever know what kind of homes all people in the world have have, what their families have or have not, their wealth (or lack of it), their abilities, no way could he know, no way can anyone know about everyone else on the Internet, duh.

Knock knock

Sollecito: Who da f is that now it's 2 am?

Dad: Don't to worry, I take my gun

Pssst, pssst, tap tap, knock knock ring ring ding dong

Sollecito: Dad, see to it.. ah wait, I see, it's my big pal, it's the blog guy papa, let him in

Dad: In? Faaaor ffffff sake, this looks like trouble I don't like him

Sollecito: Let him in papa or I will have one of my famous depressions

Dad: Oh hello, nice to see you, it's only 2 am

Frank: Hello, I thought I'd drop in... for about 6 months, I like it here

Sollecito: Yes yes, I've been staying in and reading Manga Porn, great, let me make you your famous cocktails!

Frank: tails yes, many, my favourite is Bloody Mary with bashed up women, er, I mean ice cubes, yeah, sicuro, dimmi qual cosa, dad, where's ya wife? the blonde... does she have any daughters?

Sollecito: Here's your cocktail Frank Sir

Frank: Ah, this is the life, all those nobodies, I really like it here, where's my room? You want a couple of lines Raffaele? gimme a razor and a mirror

Yep, Frank adopts his family/ies coming to a town near you soon

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 3:27 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

There you have it, Zorba. Antonio Curatolo had more dignity while sleeping on a park bench, than Francesco Sforza ever did, living off his gullible supporters. So which one's the bum?
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 3:58 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

malvern wrote:
Hi Tamale I think above all you should be commended for your courage. A quick look on the BF site reveal the crass and slippery nature of those that attack you. Your story or what hasn't been erased no doubt will prevent another victim from being taken advantage of by Frank. It is interesting that no one is willing to mention the other victim in Canada which verifies your experience. Those two events display more than a little 'temper' or personality differences that they try to put it down to. Merry Christmas Malvern


Yes, what about the other victim? The head crassisti tried to gloss that over by blaming it on his age (71) and alcohol use. The questions Bruce Fischer avoids answering, reveal much. And his catspaw, er, CatsPea, needs instead of attacking Bettina to clarify how the statement about Frank making advances towards Amanda Knox and being made to leave the Mellas household were 'taken out of context'. If you can't reply, the statement stands.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 8:48 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

malvern wrote:
Hi Tamale I think above all you should be commended for your courage. A quick look on the BF site reveal the crass and slippery nature of those that attack you. Your story or what hasn't been erased no doubt will prevent another victim from being taken advantage of by Frank. It is interesting that no one is willing to mention the other victim in Canada which verifies your experience. Those two events display more than a little 'temper' or personality differences that they try to put it down to. Merry Christmas Malvern


It's good to know someone down the line may be spared the punishment called Frank. Joyous Yule, Bettina
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 1:25 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Is Bruce Fischer still raising money for Frank Sforza?

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 3:24 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Guess Nel or Ergon may know that Michael.

What with the trouble America already has with gun laws, etc, you have enough trouble without importing more potential maniacal fellows, escapades clearly not okay, such as those shown by Frank going potty, because he certainly shows the typical uptight characteristics of that scenario type, in that case, then, he's better off and so is everyone else if he remains in Italy, where walking around like some old cowboy with your gun at the ready isn't done; imagine Frank in America, with guns, what happens then when he gets upset?

Whatever it is, to me he does display/radiate that type of temperament, the one that people have if they've gone to the lowest, or fallen to it, like when addicted to heroin, the guilt one would ordinarily feel when stealing from friends and family, your partner, etc, is non-existent, ordinary thieves do have this guilt, and do not steal from their own mothers, only in rare cases, the addict though is so desperate it does not matter who it is, it could be the addict's 3 year-old daughter's piggy bank that gets plundered.

I see signs in this Frank person, of such a route having been walked already, if not then he sure is a desperado, to do all he has then go off on his Dick Whittington tour and then beat up old men and females.

Great friends Knox and Sollecito have eh, why, Frank looks like an identical twin as far as behaviour goes.

So then we get Bruto Brucey, what is it with that cat then, that attracts him to such an odd-aggressive fellow?

Oh, I see, the same characteristics, shared, like being a plain nasty asshole and clearly totally dishonest with it.

Right, that clears that up then.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 3:27 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

But when trying to get off heroin (opiates = opium derivatives like morphine too) all of the guilt comes flooding back making it really hard for the addict to deal with being clean, after all, heroin is meant to desensitize, and it does that fantastically, allowing those in awful pain to feel nothing.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 3:40 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Ergon wrote:
There you have it, Zorba. Antonio Curatolo had more dignity while sleeping on a park bench, than Francesco Sforza ever did, living off his gullible supporters. So which one's the bum?



Dempsey was the one to keep on referring to the man that way, all the time, this totally disrespectful and plainly ignorant way of referring to him, was really typical behaviour from her.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 12:18 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Michael wrote:
Is Bruce Fischer still raising money for Frank Sforza?


First and foremost Bruce Fischer collects donations for Bruce Fischer:



Little is known about how Bruce Fischer will spend the money he has raised from supporters. I suspect the donations are for his personal use only.

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These costs include: maintaining our websites, obtaining legal documents, legal counsel, insurance, updated media contact data, and promotional materials needed to bring attention to our featured cases.

Our plan is to keep this website and our forum ad free. We have experimented with ads in the past and have found them to be a distraction to site content. With your help we will become the most comprehensive wrongful conviction website online today.

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But the answer to your original question is yes, the thread dedicated to Frank's financial woes (Frank Sfarzo - Losing Apt due to lack of funds) and the fundraising thread (Frank Sfarzo Fund Drive) are still online and unlocked. Bruce Fischer has written on various occasions after the news about Frank Sfarzo's various arrests broke that there was no reason to deny Sfarzo financial support.

Frank Sfarzo's blog can still be found on Injustice Anywhere in the category Credible Resources, but a link to his blog was apparently taken down from the Link list more prominently displayed in the left sidebar of the front page. I am pretty sure that Perugia Shock was linked there among The Real Raffaele Sollecito and Candace Dempsey's blog. Maybe someone has a better memory than I do, but I would be surprised if Sfarzo's link wasn't included there.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 2:04 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Right Nell, getting into something, like these do, is a good way to say, I'm not on benefits, but, what with people who have no reason to do it and do no make it clear what they collect for seems to me people, such as this Bruce person, really does it for the money anf is as good sas on benefits, for himself; make a lot of noise, etc.
There is absolutely no transparancy and no third party that can be held accountable for and on behalf of the Charity Bruce, as is the case and as is true for bona fide charities.

This is why he likes Frank, as he has no profession, skills or anything else either.

Times are hard, money's short; well, jump on a bandwagon and have people pay ya bills, ain't like Bruce has any cause at all, his cause is the save the Bruce cause.

Darn, maybe his benefactors are gonna be cutting their donations to him when they understand the kind of people he really supports; woman bashers and old men bullyers.

I've come across scum in my life but these (Bruce, Frank, Dempsey, Bremner and sorry if you belong in there and I haven't mentioned you but it doesn't matter as you know who you are... Moore, Marriot, Teddy, etc) are some of the worst cases.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 2:50 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Does anyone know if Injustice Anywhere or Injustice in Perugia are even registered non-profit organisations?

If yes, Bruce's organisation should show up in any of these databases: USA Government for Nonprofits.

If the answer is no, Bruce - same as his now infamous friend Francesco Sforza aka Frank Sfarzo - just lines his own pockets with the help of his supporters.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 3:19 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

If it was a registered non-profit, Nell, his website would say so. The reputable ones do, anyway. But then they have to file returns every year as well :)
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 3:58 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

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Nell wrote:
"Does anyone know if Injustice Anywhere or Injustice in Perugia are even registered non-profit organisations?

If yes, Bruce's organisation should show up in any of these databases: USA Government for Nonprofits.

If the answer is no, Bruce - same as his now infamous friend Francesco Sforza aka Frank Sfarzo - just lines his own pockets with the help of his supporters."


If Nell wants to know if Injustice Anywhere is a non profit she could just ask me. Oh I forgot, Nell is afraid to have an adult unmoderated conversation with me.

The truth is that Injustice Anywhere is in the process of becoming a non profit organization. The reason for this is to allow donors to write off their donations on their taxes. Nell seems to wrongly believe that non profits lack the capability to "line" their own pockets. The credibility of an organization comes from the work they show, not the taxable status of their income. Nell is once again searching much to hard to find fault in what we do. She can keep wasting her time if she likes. Unlike Nell, we have nothing to hide.

Many developments will occur in 2013 for IA. We are looking forward to having a productive year.

There are many good causes that accept donations that are not non profits. Being a non profit is not always the best avenue for causes. Jason Puracal is a good example. His website was not set up as a non profit. This did nothing to take away from the impeccable credibility of his family as they fought successfully for his freedom. The donations were put to good use for Jason's cause.

I wanted to answer the non profit question just in case anyone was interested here. Injustice Anywhere is just getting started. Many good things to come!


Bruce Fischer already answered the question on his forum IA: Injustice Anywhere is not a registered non-profit organisation. Hence, all the donations he receives need to be declared as income.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 4:16 am   Post subject: SFARZO~GATE   

It turns out that the Friends Of Frank Sfarzo wasted little time hunting for dirt to throw at Bettina. Sure enough, the following was posted on the Injustice-Anywhere for profit website today by their administrator, Bruce Fischer:

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"This is completely off topic for this forum and I hesitate to even post it, but due to the current smear campaign going on against Frank, KayPea, and I, I felt it was warranted. People cannot repeatedly make false accusations about others and expect to remain anonymous. Bettina should keep this in mind. I would think it best that both her and Frank move on from this mess.

It turns out that Bettina apparently has a restraining order against her for the alleged harassment of an individual in Hawaii that will go unnamed here. I have one document stating the order of restraint has been placed and will expire in 3 years from date of issue.

I will not post the document here because I see no reason to do so. Since Bettina has now turned to .net for comfort and support maybe she will give the honest truth about the restraining order that appears to have been filed against her to .net. I do not have any details other than the report that was given to me.

I think this sheds light on the situation. It appears that Frank is not the only one that has issues with getting along with people. It makes it even more clear why Frank and Bettina were unable to get along. Their personalities simply made it impossible."


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"apparently" ?
Could you clarify how you mean that?
Not that I have any reason to distrust you on this or anything else, but that word could mean a couple of different things. How sure are you?


"I would need more information if I was actually investigating the case, which I'm certainly not doing. I was sent a public document that suggests a restraining order was filed against Bettina in Hawaii. Here is what the document said (minus the names). I am not an expert in the law either so the wording and codes would need further clarification.

http://imgur.com/R0MbI

I would need to see more about the case before making any definitive statements but regardless of the details, it appears that (much like Frank) Bettina has had issues with others as well. This reinforces my position that both share blame for the unfortunate incident in Hawaii.

If the document above is not related to Bettina then obviously it reinforces nothing. I have no plans to investigate further. Maybe Ergon has the time to continue his thorough investigation. He has done such amazing work so far :) "


Those of us who have been observing Bruce's m.o. in the last few years, are not surprised at all. He has been embarrassed by these revelations about the public and private behaviour of someone he has actively promoted as a persecuted journalist, someone he encouraged his readers to make donations to and also for his own website. Now that those donations are irredeemably compromised, he flails around.

So what does he do? Make insinuations that Bettina is somehow equally responsible for 'the unfortunate incident in Hawaii', threatens her with the loss of her privacy (note it is not even Frank who's doing this, it's the head of an organization devoted to 'Innocence-Anywhere' that's revealing personal information, without context, without explanation? And leaves us to imagine what? The mind boggles.

Yes, I did contact Bettina and asked for an explanation, to get a response. I personally would not care if Bettina got into an argument with her neighbour or has a speeding ticket or whatever. It has nothing to do with the gist of what she is saying: large amounts of donations have been collected by Frank Sfarzo, promoted by Bruce Fischer, yet of those that helped him, five separate parties, including Amanda Knox's family, have lodged complaints of abuse and somehow it is they that are 'equally at fault'? That Fischer bears no responsibility to check with the aggrieved parties and get their side, but prints Frank's, and deletes theirs? Is it appropriate, for an organization that collects donations, to act in this manner? That he should shrug his shoulders and say buyer beware? And he didn't actually investigate these serious allegations, just dug for dirt against the person who spoke up? It is said that when a person is abused, they are abused twice, once by the abuser, and then again by the person that tries to cover it up.

Bettina's reply is that she was not served with a restraining order, she did not appear in any court, she has no recollection or knowledge of what Mr. Fischer's allegations are about, but understands why they are being brought up now. Well, Mr. Fischer?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 4:44 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Hi Ergon,

I am amused by Fischer's argument. I had a good chuckle when I read that he wasn't interested in looking into the matter and he didn't know what it was about blah blah blah, but he would put up a screenshot anyway. All this from the founder of an organisation that claims to fight injustice. Ridiculous.

What does all of this matter in the light of a Kona police officer typing in his police report that Sfarzo admitted to have "accidentally" struck tamale/Bettina with his bag and that he refused to leave the hotel room on the grounds that he had paid for the room (which was a lie, tamale/Bettina had paid for it and it also contradicts his email quoted by KayPea on Injustice Anywhere that tamale/Bettina became upset when he told her he would leave her. According to him she yelled that she hadn't paid for a hotel room to sleep alone in it.).

The police report is not tamale/Bettina's side of the story as claimed by staunch supporters on Injustice Anywhere. Sfarzo had his say as did tamale/Bettina. The police report collects statement from both parties plus the police officer's observation that Frank Sfarzo claimed to have difficulties understanding him, despite being fluent in English just a few minutes earlier. Once the police officers started reading him his rights, Sfarzo started to play dumb.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 8:33 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

From what I have learned today, Bruce Fischer collects donations since years from his supporters, despite neither being a charity, nor a registered organisation. So basically he does what Frank Sfarzo did, asking others for money, using Google Wallet and Paypal instead of an orderly registered account set up in the name of a registered organisation.

Be the legal matter in the U.S. of how to collect donations as it may, this doesn't look serious to me.

So now after having registered his website Injustice in Perugia in 2009 and Injustice Anywhere in 2010, only now - in 2012 (!!!), he is in the process of registering for a non-profit organisation.

In his latest post on IA he was whinging that we are complaining just because he hasn't finalised the registration process yet. As if. Pathetic.

The donate button at the bottom of the Injustice Anywhere forum page collects donations via Paypal while the donate button at the website Injustice in Perugia uses Google Wallet.

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I found this on Wikipedia about non-profit organisations:

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The basic requirement of getting tax exempt status is that the organization is specifically limited in powers to purposes that the IRS classifies as tax exempt purposes. Unlike for-profit corporations that benefit from broad and general purposes, non profit organizations need to be limited in powers to function with tax exempt status, but a non profit corporation is by default not limited in powers until it specifically limits itself in the articles of incorporation and/or nonprofit corporate bylaws. This limiting of the powers is crucial to obtaining tax exempt status with the IRS and then on the state level. You acquire 501(c)(3) tax exemption by filing IRS Form 1023. The form must be accompanied by a $850 filing fee if the yearly gross receipts for the organization are expected to average $10,000 or more.[23][24] If yearly gross receipts are expected to average less than $10,000, the filing fee is reduced to $400.[23][24] There are some classes of organizations that automatically are treated as tax exempt under 501(c)(3), without the need to file Form 1023:

Churches, their integrated auxiliaries, and conventions or associations of churches[25]
Organizations that are not private foundations and that have gross receipts that normally are not more than $5,000[26]

The IRS also expects to release a software tool called Cyber Assistant, which will assist with preparation of the application for tax exemption, but as of late 2011 the release date is unclear.[27]


The donations he received might not even cover for the one off payment to register his non-profit organisation. See the attached screenshot. Bruce Fischer must have been deeply shocked when he found out about the generous contributions made to Frank Sfarzo. While Sfarzo collected thousands of dollars with Fischer's help, Fischer only received a meager total of $260 in the past two years. Funny.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 12:33 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Oh dear, writing trashy books, having your very own little donation button when you have no real cause, and still unable to make a living, whatever next?

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 3:21 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

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These costs include: maintaining our websites, obtaining legal documents, legal counsel, insurance, updated media contact data, and promotional materials needed to bring attention to our featured cases.


Really, Fischer? The cost of maintaining a forum is pocket change. Obtaining legal documents? You've not had to pay for any legal documents, they've all been handed to you on a plate for free from the likes of Charlie Wilkes (Jim Lovering), Chris Mellas, Francisco Sforza, Candace Dempsey and from us! What lawyers have you had to hire and for what? And don't you have several self-proclaimed lawyers on your site that have offered their services pro-bono? What insurance...your medical insurance? Your life insurance? Your house insurance? Your travel insurance for attending the Knox booze-ups? "updated media contact data"? Why, how much does it cost to send an email to a reporter or add new names to your email contacts list? "promotional materials"? Like what? Radio sets...TV cameras...what exactly? The only promotional materials I've seen you using are your own sites, spamming news comments sections and other forums which is free, or writing drivel for Gather and they pay you for that! So, what...exactly, generates these phantom costs? Have you hired David Marriott?

Since you've been scrounging donations for years and at the same time claim to be an 'organisation', it's long overdue that you should be providing your supporters with a regular itemised list of costs demonstrating exactly how much money you've been receiving and what you've been spending it on instead of expecting blank checks with no questions asked. Or, are you a 'secret' organisation? Non-profit? How do we know that?

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 3:30 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Nell wrote:
The donations he received might not even cover for the one off payment to register his non-profit organisation. See the attached screenshot. Bruce Fischer must have been deeply shocked when he found out about the generous contributions made to Frank Sfarzo. While Sfarzo collected thousands of dollars with Fischer's help, Fischer only received a meager total of $260 in the past two years. Funny.


Yep. But we know the paypal button on his site is not the only means he's been using to harvest donations. For one, we know they have a habit of using stooges and their Paypal accounts for transferring cash to avoid tax (see in the case of Frank Sforza). A lot more money then that has been changing hands. I wonder how much commission those stooges were given. And how much has been paid into Fischer's bank account directly?

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 3:48 pm   Post subject: Re: SFARZO~GATE   

Ergon wrote:
It turns out that the Friends Of Frank Sfarzo wasted little time hunting for dirt to throw at Bettina. Sure enough, the following was posted on the Injustice-Anywhere for profit website today by their administrator, Bruce Fischer:

Bruce Fischer wrote:
Post subject: Re: Today over at PMF
Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 4:31 pm
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"This is completely off topic for this forum and I hesitate to even post it, but due to the current smear campaign going on against Frank, KayPea, and I, I felt it was warranted. People cannot repeatedly make false accusations about others and expect to remain anonymous. Bettina should keep this in mind. I would think it best that both her and Frank move on from this mess.

It turns out that Bettina apparently has a restraining order against her for the alleged harassment of an individual in Hawaii that will go unnamed here. I have one document stating the order of restraint has been placed and will expire in 3 years from date of issue.

I will not post the document here because I see no reason to do so. Since Bettina has now turned to .net for comfort and support maybe she will give the honest truth about the restraining order that appears to have been filed against her to .net. I do not have any details other than the report that was given to me.

I think this sheds light on the situation. It appears that Frank is not the only one that has issues with getting along with people. It makes it even more clear why Frank and Bettina were unable to get along. Their personalities simply made it impossible."


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"apparently" ?
Could you clarify how you mean that?
Not that I have any reason to distrust you on this or anything else, but that word could mean a couple of different things. How sure are you?


"I would need more information if I was actually investigating the case, which I'm certainly not doing. I was sent a public document that suggests a restraining order was filed against Bettina in Hawaii. Here is what the document said (minus the names). I am not an expert in the law either so the wording and codes would need further clarification.

http://imgur.com/R0MbI

I would need to see more about the case before making any definitive statements but regardless of the details, it appears that (much like Frank) Bettina has had issues with others as well. This reinforces my position that both share blame for the unfortunate incident in Hawaii.

If the document above is not related to Bettina then obviously it reinforces nothing. I have no plans to investigate further. Maybe Ergon has the time to continue his thorough investigation. He has done such amazing work so far :) "


Those of us who have been observing Bruce's m.o. in the last few years, are not surprised at all. He has been embarrassed by these revelations about the public and private behaviour of someone he has actively promoted as a persecuted journalist, someone he encouraged his readers to make donations to and also for his own website. Now that those donations are irredeemably compromised, he flails around.

So what does he do? Make insinuations that Bettina is somehow equally responsible for 'the unfortunate incident in Hawaii', threatens her with the loss of her privacy (note it is not even Frank who's doing this, it's the head of an organization devoted to 'Innocence-Anywhere' that's revealing personal information, without context, without explanation? And leaves us to imagine what? The mind boggles.

Yes, I did contact Bettina and asked for an explanation, to get a response. I personally would not care if Bettina got into an argument with her neighbour or has a speeding ticket or whatever. It has nothing to do with the gist of what she is saying: large amounts of donations have been collected by Frank Sfarzo, promoted by Bruce Fischer, yet of those that helped him, five separate parties, including Amanda Knox's family, have lodged complaints of abuse and somehow it is they that are 'equally at fault'? That Fischer bears no responsibility to check with the aggrieved parties and get their side, but prints Frank's, and deletes theirs? Is it appropriate, for an organization that collects donations, to act in this manner? That he should shrug his shoulders and say buyer beware? And he didn't actually investigate these serious allegations, just dug for dirt against the person who spoke up? It is said that when a person is abused, they are abused twice, once by the abuser, and then again by the person that tries to cover it up.

Bettina's reply is that she was not served with a restraining order, she did not appear in any court, she has no recollection or knowledge of what Mr. Fischer's allegations are about, but understands why they are being brought up now. Well, Mr. Fischer?



I am suddenly reminded of the sleazy accused who cross-examines his rape victim on the stand victimising the victim all over again in order to get away with their crimes.

Fischer screams that he, Kaypea and Frank Sforza are being smeared. They haven't been smeared, they've been exposed. There's a big difference. And all our exposing of them has been proven, with documentation and witnesses, whilst they have provided nothing other then unsupported accusations and barefaced lies in their defence. Along with a shameful bullying campaign from them against the victim, but then we've seen that from them before, haven't we?

Fischer's whole sordid little campaign from start to finish has been about smearing people, whether it be us, the Kerchers, the Italian police, prosecutor Mignini, Mr Maresca, and now Peter H and Bettina. The latter, he now attempts to smear with a fictitious police report under the claim with no little twisted reasoning, that it in some way clears Frank Sforza. In what universe? Here we see in all its bare naked glory Fischer's concept of 'justice'. Fischer has never been about justice, he's always been about agenda, agenda, agenda and the destruction of anyone at all costs who gets in the way of that agenda. And within that agenda, the abusive and fraudulent liar that is Frank Sforza must be protected at all costs, as the whole agenda depends on his lies.

Were I someone that had followed Bruce Fischer in the past, I would be looking at this and saying not in my name!

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 4:12 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

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The police report is not tamale/Bettina's side of the story as claimed by staunch supporters on Injustice Anywhere. Sfarzo had his say as did tamale/Bettina. The police report collects statement from both parties plus the police officer's observation that Frank Sfarzo claimed to have difficulties understanding him, despite being fluent in English just a few minutes earlier. Once the police officers started reading him his rights, Sfarzo started to play dumb.


Absolutely. It is not only Bettina's account, the police report also contains Frank Sforza's account that he gave the police at the scene, an account that totally contradicts the account he gave to and was published on his behalf by, Bruce Fischer and KayPea! No wonder Bruce Fischer refused to post up the police report!

Now he claims to have another police report, about Bettina, and is refusing to post that up as well. That's because it (or its non-existence more like) would expose him as a liar, just as the previous police report did. He would have everyone believe his risible claim that it's because he cares about peoples' privacy, the man who's exposed the privacy of any and all of those that have thwarted him in the past. He is also expecting everyone to believe, despite all the donations he takes to enhance his 'organisation's' technical abilities, that he's completely incapable of editing the document to black out the private details as we did with the police report we published (and it didn't even cost us a dime to make such an edit). Just as anyone is who has read his drivel, I'm calling bullshit. Are there really still idiots out there that will take anything this man says on 'faith'? Really?

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 4:14 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

I doubt whether Bruce Fischer or Francesco Sforza ever made as much money as Steve Moore did, lobbying on behalf of various assorted individuals before Congress, and jetting off to Nicaragua and Bolivia whenever. I'm sure the ex-FBI agent is aware of the extensive lobbying registration requirements in the U.S? ;)

I'm glad we have never accepted donations or moneys in any form, since some might say, it would compromise our objectivity?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 5:09 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Nell wrote:
The police report collects statement from both parties plus the police officer's observation that Frank Sfarzo claimed to have difficulties understanding him, despite being fluent in English just a few minutes earlier. Once the police officers started reading him his rights, Sfarzo started to play dumb.


It's clear that Sforza refused to co-operate with the police. His pretense to not be able to understand English is a patent lie, he gave police a false spelling of his name as well as refused to provide them with his address (note that in the court/police documents his address has been entered as 'unknown') and he lied to police about having paid for the hotel room and with his claim of having 'accidentally' hit Bettina's leg with his bag. Much like, he lied about how he lost his apartment and why he needed so much money to remain housed. Lies drip from that man's mouth easier and more frequently then water drips from a tap.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 6:54 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Well, it doesn't sound like there's anything spectacularly good with Sfarzo now, often it's said no news is good news but I fear, for him (not that I care), that in his case it means things are not good at all, after all, which wonderful Knox supportery-type is now going to say, ah yes, the wonderful Frank, do come and share Christmas with us, no, Sfarzo may now have not so much a donate button as a donation bowl stood outside churches.

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Article 1. The employee shall not make advances to any women employed by firm Knox.

Article 1.1. The employee shall not make advances to the employer Knox herself upon forfeit of 10 thousand dollars for any breach hereof.

Article 2 .Violence

Article 2.1 The employee shall at no time act aggressively or otherwise cause harm to any co-workers or other, additionally and explicitly, neither male nor female shall be beaten up or sexually molested by said employee, punishable by a ban on attending any more of our parties.

Article 2.2. The employee shall maintain strict confidentiality and not use any material that came into his possession or to his notice while in the employ of firm Knox, this during or after employment in the firm.

Article 2.3. The aforementioned employee shall at no time make demands for cash or monies otherwise such as through bank accounts or push button donate schemes.

Article 3. Employee shall indemnify the firm against any actions arising through or from third parties, this for a minimum period of 50 years.

Article 4. Employer shall endeavour to ensure that none of these terms be amended without the written prior consent of the Works Council in Seattle and PR firm Marriot.

Article 5. Any dispute shall be governed by the laws of Judge Heavey, as said gentleman sees fit, before or after Martinis with his most appreciated co-working lawyer, Chief of Alcoholics Anonymous and not SO anonymous, Ms Bremner, and if preferred bandwagon jumping brother Coutelas Doug.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 7:07 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Bettina,

Bruce Fischer has publicly accused you on his site of a criminal history, as fact (without providing the evidence to support that accusation). You have assured us there is no truth in his claim. That considered, you have clear grounds for a lawsuit against Bruce Fischer and his site for malicious libel.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:04 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Did someone widescreen us or is it just me?

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 11:32 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

It's looking fine in my browser, Zorba. Is anyone else having the problem?

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 11:57 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Might be Nell's GIf just above, Michael. I don't usually notice when I post large pictures because my screen's set at 1600x1200 pixels :(
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:07 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Yeah, so's mine.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:15 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Zorba, is it fixed now?

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:16 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Il'l look at another site to see if I still have it.

Looked, it's only here.

Must be because my screen is way too small.

Hey I need something better then Ergon, my computer says max pixels is 1024 x 768, this is a cheap laptop though.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:17 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Ah yeah, fixed, thanks, much easier to read!!!

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:22 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Great! :) It was Nell's gif image. I've sorted it now.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:27 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Anyways,

I may come out with insane humour but it's my (only) way (in this case) of staying above the insanity of it all, however, nobody needs to doubt that I am more than serious about how this whole case is,
like with a murder,
MURDER,
the ultimate in violence,
and then violence against women,
and what do you get?
...You get a creep like Frank doing everything he can to screw justice up; by now it is crystal clear that what appealed to him in Knox and Sollecito and the murder was that it involved abuse, which he thought nothing of, as a woman abuser himself; no wonder he was able to make post after nasty disrespectful post.

One of the worst, I always found, was the way he spoke of Patrick...
Patrick who Frank said was a friend.
I mean Patrick had just been released from prison after being there through what Amanda Knox did to him by lying coldly about him, where she failed to lift a finger in the space of a two week period to get him released, which means to say, she never had any intention of owning up; if he had been kept in prison and it meant she could have stayed out, then I think this is exactly how she would have carried on,
and what did Frank do? with a heart of cold steel?
just talk shit about Patrick,
nasty things,
I knew then, for sure, that there was something really not all right with that man.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:31 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

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And a Merry Christmas to you and to all our readers :)

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 3:23 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

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Bruce Fischer has publicly accused you on his site of a criminal history, as fact (without providing the evidence to support that accusation). You have assured us there is no truth in his claim. That considered, you have clear grounds for a lawsuit against Bruce Fischer and his site for malicious libel.

I found out today that a woman filed an order on me awhile back. She is sick and paranoid and thinks people are out to get her. She has not been seen in months by anyone. I also learned she has an order on another woman who works with her church. She once called the police because she was certain I left the bathroom door open to torment her. We used to call her the troll because she called the police so often (and she growled at us). I work with the mentally ill everyday and some will think the worst no matter what. So, that does not make me a criminal (Bruce). It's not liked I bilked people out of money or lied to the police...or pushed someone to the ground...or terrorized my mother. I have never bitten a police officer. Get a grip...you are losing it.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 3:57 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Any way you look at it it makes Bruce the creep.What might he dig up on the Canadian host ? Or Franks mother ? Pasta not al dente? I'm sure Bruce has someone looking for anything in case we hear more about Frank's little self control problems.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 4:25 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

tamale wrote:
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Bettina,

Bruce Fischer has publicly accused you on his site of a criminal history, as fact (without providing the evidence to support that accusation). You have assured us there is no truth in his claim. That considered, you have clear grounds for a lawsuit against Bruce Fischer and his site for malicious libel.

I found out today that a woman filed an order on me awhile back. She is sick and paranoid and thinks people are out to get her. She has not been seen in months by anyone. I also learned she has an order on another woman who works with her church. She once called the police because she was certain I left the bathroom door open to torment her. We used to call her the troll because she called the police so often (and she growled at us). I work with the mentally ill everyday and some will think the worst no matter what. So, that does not make me a criminal (Bruce). It's not liked I bilked people out of money or lied to the police...or pushed someone to the ground...or terrorized my mother. I have never bitten a police officer. Get a grip...you are losing it.


This was their big scoop? Well thanks for clarifying, tamale. I wonder why he uses surrogates to make statements on his behalf?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 4:41 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

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Great! :) It was Nell's gif image. I've sorted it now.


Thanks again Michael, and here's wishing you and everyone else here, visible or not, a very happy and Merry Christmas.


Sorry for the trouble, in my monitor it looked good. Maybe my screen has a higher resolution? I will re-size the screenshots further next time, I just wanted people to be able to still read the font in the picture.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 5:16 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

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Any way you look at it it makes Bruce the creep.What might he dig up on the Canadian host ? Or Franks mother ? Pasta not al dente? I'm sure Bruce has someone looking for anything in case we hear more about Frank's little self control problems.


I wonder about that too. One down, two to go?

Bruce Fischer and KayPea never clarified why Frank Sfarzo's version of events he gave on the day of the incident to police differed significantly from the one he gave them. But that is what people want to know.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 6:25 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

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What was od with this man Bruce, is I reckon it was a long time after the murder that he suddenly popped up.
The Knox family shamelessly encouraged simply anyone who said they were on Knox's side.

If the Knox family have shut the door in his face, I can only think he is going to use that somehow to hos own benefit.

Log ago, there came a time when his posts suddenly changed and seemed to be though not neutral not in support of Knox, we all thought it must have had something to do with money, like them saying they had no more, maybe.. who knows.. the family had been shoving him a few dollars in an earlier phase and he soon got accustomed to it then when these sums were not forthcoming or regular enough seeing as he assumed he had found a payroll, he sort of started blackmailing them, by showing he could turn against them, upon which, the monies were soon deposited again, who knows... perhaps some cash, when the Seattle mob were visiting.

What I mean is I think those involved with Knox now consider him, or rather, know he is a liability, they encouraged him, want rid of him, but Bruce, seeing as it is not about him at all, is not the same as the family, as he has his own reasons for doing what he does and that too has nothing at all about trying to be helpful or kind to the Knox family, it's all about his own business pursuits, perhaps even mental problems, after all, after a young girl gets murdered in cold blood, which real man goes and rubs salt in the family's wounds?

Bruce does that's who.
So what the hell is wrong with him and people similar?
One way or the other I can't get past it being about money.

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What was odd with this man Bruce, is, I reckon, the fact that it was a long time after the murder that he suddenly popped up.
The Knox family shamelessly encouraged simply anyone who said they were on Knox's side.

If the Knox family have shut the door in his face, I can only think he is going to use that somehow to his own benefit.

Long ago, there came a time when his posts suddenly changed and seemed to be, though not neutral, not in support of Knox and we all thought it must have had something to do with money, like the family saying they had no more, maybe.. who knows..

the family may have been shoving him a few dollars on a regular basis in an earlier phase and he soon got accustomed to it, then when these sums were not forthcoming or regular enough seeing as he assumed he had found a payroll, he perhaps sort of started blackmailing them, by showing he could turn against them, upon which, the monies were soon deposited again, who knows... perhaps some in cash, when the Knox & Mellases were visiting.

What I mean is, I think those involved with Knox now see him as/know he is, a liability, they encouraged him, now want rid of him, but Bruce - seeing as it is not about him at all - is not the same as the family, as he has his own reasons for doing what he does and that too has nothing to do at all with trying to be helpful or kind to the Knox family, it's all about his own business pursuits, perhaps even mental problems, after all, when a young girl gets murdered in cold blood, which real man goes and rubs salt in the family's wounds?

Bruce does that's who.
So what the hell is wrong with him and people similar?
One way or the other I can't get past it being all about money.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 11:01 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Nell wrote:
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Great! :) It was Nell's gif image. I've sorted it now.


Thanks again Michael, and here's wishing you and everyone else here, visible or not, a very happy and Merry Christmas.


Sorry for the trouble, in my monitor it looked good. Maybe my screen has a higher resolution? I will re-size the screenshots further next time, I just wanted people to be able to still read the font in the picture.



It's no trouble. I didn't notice myself due to my screen's resolution as well, it took Zorba to point it out. Don't worry about people being able to read it or making them smaller. Click on the gif image and you'll see it open in a new tab as a larger size. Simply upload your larger pictures to a post in 'The Range' subforum and hotlink to them using the 'rimg' tags instead of the 'img' tags. Then they'll be the right size for the board and people can enlarge them if they want simply by clicking on them :)

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 11:13 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

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Any way you look at it it makes Bruce the creep.What might he dig up on the Canadian host ? Or Franks mother ? Pasta not al dente? I'm sure Bruce has someone looking for anything in case we hear more about Frank's little self control problems.


Exactly, Malvern. It just makes Fischer look like the creep (and he really is an uber-creep). Attempts to smear people, all to desperately try and deflect from the real issue at hand...that being himself and fellow creeps Kaypea and Frank Sforza. He'll try and dig dirt on anyone to protect Frank Sforza! So transparent. What's he going to look for next, parking tickets?

Give it up Bruce, Sforza has been exposed as the lying, conning and abusive rent-a-thug that he is and his reputation is in tatters, just as is that of anyone who seeks to cling to him. A drowning man doesn't save himself by clutching on to another drowning man.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:22 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

And while we're on the subject of documents Fischer, why not post up the documents pertaining to Sforza's trial for assaulting police officers? If not, then perhaps you and Sforza could explain why not, especially considering it was perfectly fine for the both of you to post up multiple documents concerning the case against Sollecito and Knox, before, during and after their trial? And if Sforza is truly innocent, then posting up the documentation relating to his case would be to your and his advantage...wouldn't it?

The only reason not to do so is because you have something to hide. Such as the real circumstances around Sforza's arrest and the fact that you and he have been scamming money from your followers under false pretenses. How many thousands of dollars were donated to Frank by the way, what is the total sum?

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:30 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

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Give it up Bruce, Sforza has been exposed as the lying, conning and abusive rent-a-thug that he is and his reputation is in tatters, just as is that of anyone who seeks to cling to him. A drowning man doesn't save himself by clutching on to another drowning man.

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What was od with this man Bruce, is I reckon it was a long time after the murder that he suddenly popped up.
The Knox family shamelessly encouraged simply anyone who said they were on Knox's side.

--- snap ---


Exactly.

With the latest revelations about the in all probability undeclared donations flowing to people who make it their daytime job to defend brand Knox and everyone who is intertwined with her, I took the time to do some research.

From what I found, Bruce Fischer has more than 6 domain names registered.

INJUSTICE IN PERUGIA

whois: injusticeinperugia.com
whois: injusticeinperugia.org
whois: injusticeinperugia.net

Even though .net is inactive it has been registered through TUCOWS, same as .com and .net. He first registered .org on the 7th of February 2010, then .com on the 25th of February and probably .net too on the 30th of July 2010. I am not sure that .net is his domain, but it could be.


INJUSTICE ANYWHERE

whois: injusticeanywhere.com
whois: injusticeanywhere.net
whois: injusticeanywhere.org

I am not sure that any of these belong to Bruce Fischer, but .com and .net have been both registered the same day and around the time when the above domain names have been registered too, in July 2010. I am not sure that .org has been registered by Fischer.

injustice-anywhere.org and injustice-anywhere.com belong both to Bruce Fischer. They have been registered on the 10th of October 2011 and 16th of January 2012 respectively.


INJUSTICE ANYWHERE FORUM

whois: injusticeanywhereforum.com
whois: injusticeanywhereforum.org

These both belong to Bruce Fischer as well. The domain .org redirects to .com.

Based on this information alone you can see that Bruce Fischer has a yearly expense just for keeping all his domain names. There are definitely more as Bruce Fischer himself revealed in one of his latest posts that he was building yet another site named freejeffreyhavard.org.

He gives the appearance of being a business rather than an organisation. Registering one name with different domain extensions is common practice for businesses to make it more difficult to be confused with other competitors. Has anyone seen the innocenceproject.com or innocenceproject.net? No, it's just innocenceproject.org. Of course, they don't try to rip off members so they can make a living. They have a goal and a meaningful existence. They are a real organisation that has been legally established, not like Bruce Fischer who now came to realise that after referring to himself as organisation for years he actually should have registered as one first to become legitimate. He wishes to distance his Injustice Anywhere project - if you can call it that - from recently exposed freeloader Frank Sfarzo who also accepted donations in the thousands.

Well Fischer, you are a day late and a dollar short.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:45 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Thanks Nell. He registered 'injusticeanywhere' at the same time as he registered 'injusticeinperugia'. It proves that from day one, Fischer was planning his 'new career' in politically motivated advocacy, that was always his agenda and it was never about Knox, she was merely the tool, the launchpad, to launch that new career. I suppose he'd had enough of selling the skins of dead animals. I bet he imagined a glistening future of book deals and talking head appearances on the back of it all. Only, it hasn't turned out that way. He has hardly any following nor is he courted by the media. But it remains...just like Sforza he never really gave a damn about Knox, it was all about his agenda.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:00 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

It's funny how old maxims are always true. In this case, I'm thinking of the one 'follow the money'.

Bruce Fischer's followers need to think on this. They were scammed out of money in order to pay 'a deposit' on Sforza's flat. BUT, Frank's landlord never got that money, that's why he lost his apartment. And if he didn't use it to pay his landlord, then what DID he use it for? Whatever, THAT is obtaining money by deception.

Second point. The claim was, Frank required a 10.000 euro deposit (that was a lie, but anyway, going with the lie here), but clearly that deposit was never paid as he lost his apartment. So, since his whole claim for money was to pay a deposit that was never paid and then no longer needed due to his losing that apartment, should he then not have returned that money, in whole or in part, to his donors who had donated that money for that specific purpose? If that money was never used for the purpose for which it was requested, then it should have been returned. Sforza never even OFFERED to return any of that money and neither did Fischer ever so much as suggest that he should. If I was a donor, I'd be asking Fischer why the hell that is!

But it's okay, Fischer has been boasting that Frank hasn't even needed to spend any of the money he made from writing his article for Oggi, because everyone else has been so generous! And Fischer is STILL raising money for Frank :)

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:47 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Yes, seeing all of those domain names, sure does seem like Bruce has turned the murder into a bread earner for himself, or at least imagined he could build a career on it.

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zorba wrote:
What was od with this man Bruce, is I reckon it was a long time after the murder that he suddenly popped up.
The Knox family shamelessly encouraged simply anyone who said they were on Knox's side.

If the Knox family have shut the door in his face, I can only think he is going to use that somehow to hos own benefit.

Long ago, there came a time when his posts suddenly changed and seemed to be, though not neutral, not in support of Knox and we all thought it must have had something to do with money, like the family saying they had no more, maybe.. who knows..

the family may have been shoving him a few dollars on a regulatr basis in an earlier phase and he soon got accustomed to it, then when these sums were not forthcoming or regular enough seeing as he assumed he had found a payroll, he perhaps sort of started blackmailing them, by showing he could turn against them, upon which, the monies were soon deposited again, who knows... perhaps some in cash, when the Knox & Mellases were visiting.

There was a shift in his writing. In his latest comment he wtites how Amanda will get 4 million and he would be happy with a quarter of that. So at least we can't say he is greedy he only wants a million!
What I mean is, I think those involved with Knox now see him as/know he is a liability, they encouraged him, now want rid of him, but Bruce - seeing as it is not about him at all - is not the same as the family, as he has his own reasons for doing what he does and that too has nothing to do at all with trying to be helpful or kind to the Knox family, it's all about his own business pursuits, perhaps even mental problems, after all, when a young girl gets murdered in cold blood, which real man goes and rubs salt in the family's wounds?

Bruce does that's who.
So what the hell is wrong with him and people similar?
One way or the other I can't get past it being all about money.
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zorba wrote:
What was od with this man Bruce, is I reckon it was a long time after the murder that he suddenly popped up.
The Knox family shamelessly encouraged simply anyone who said they were on Knox's side.

If the Knox family have shut the door in his face, I can only think he is going to use that somehow to hos own benefit.

Long ago, there came a time when his posts suddenly changed and seemed to be, though not neutral, not in support of Knox and we all thought it must have had something to do with money, like the family saying they had no more, maybe.. who knows..

the family may have been shoving him a few dollars on a regular basis in an earlier phase and he soon got accustomed to it, then when these sums were not forthcoming or regular enough seeing as he assumed he had found a payroll, he perhaps sort of started blackmailing them, by showing he could turn against them, upon which, the monies were soon deposited again, who knows... perhaps some in cash, when the Knox & Mellases were visiting.



malvern wrote:
There was a shift in his writing. In his latest comment he writes how Amanda will get 4 million and he would be happy with a quarter of that. So at least we can't say he is greedy he only wants a million!


zorba wrote:
What I mean is, I think those involved with Knox now see him as/know he is, a liability, they encouraged him, now want rid of him, but Bruce - seeing as it is not about him at all - is not the same as the family, as he has his own reasons for doing what he does and that too has nothing to do at all with trying to be helpful or kind to the Knox family, it's all about his own business pursuits, perhaps even mental problems, after all, when a young girl gets murdered in cold blood, which real man goes and rubs salt in the family's wounds?

Bruce does that's who.
So what the hell is wrong with him and people similar?
One way or the other I can't get past it being all about money.



Hi Malvern, I was looking and thought, huh, did I write that, even had to check, ha ha.

Yes, I'm sure these people would be quite content with a million apiece, for aaaaaaaaaaaall their hard work.
Damn we worked hard, it wasn't easy Chuck, writing shit every day. We earned the money.

Fancy that eh, just a million think how many colleague killers must have been sending begging letters.

I wonder about all of the big book talk though, I got to thinking the publisher would only pay part, and the rest upon delivery of the full text.
I can't imagine a book by Knox generating 4 million, not even half a million, I mean who are these people who would want to read that stuff?

Personally, I wouldn't read it if they paid me 4 million, I just want as little as possible of any words uttered by any of these people in my head.

Knox in court too, I couldn't take it, her whining fake voice, I had to shut the video down and I know I missed absolutely nothing at all, except for missing out on having the memory of her words in my brain, and that is not missing anything.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 6:19 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

zorba wrote:
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What was od with this man Bruce, is I reckon it was a long time after the murder that he suddenly popped up.
The Knox family shamelessly encouraged simply anyone who said they were on Knox's side.

If the Knox family have shut the door in his face, I can only think he is going to use that somehow to hos own benefit.

Long ago, there came a time when his posts suddenly changed and seemed to be, though not neutral, not in support of Knox and we all thought it must have had something to do with money, like the family saying they had no more, maybe.. who knows..

the family may have been shoving him a few dollars on a regular basis in an earlier phase and he soon got accustomed to it, then when these sums were not forthcoming or regular enough seeing as he assumed he had found a payroll, he perhaps sort of started blackmailing them, by showing he could turn against them, upon which, the monies were soon deposited again, who knows... perhaps some in cash, when the Knox & Mellases were visiting.



malvern wrote:
There was a shift in his writing. In his latest comment he writes how Amanda will get 4 million and he would be happy with a quarter of that. So at least we can't say he is greedy he only wants a million!


zorba wrote:
What I mean is, I think those involved with Knox now see him as/know he is, a liability, they encouraged him, now want rid of him, but Bruce - seeing as it is not about him at all - is not the same as the family, as he has his own reasons for doing what he does and that too has nothing to do at all with trying to be helpful or kind to the Knox family, it's all about his own business pursuits, perhaps even mental problems, after all, when a young girl gets murdered in cold blood, which real man goes and rubs salt in the family's wounds?

Bruce does that's who.
So what the hell is wrong with him and people similar?
One way or the other I can't get past it being all about money.



Hi Malvern, I was looking and thought, huh, did I write that, even had to check, ha ha.

Yes, I'm sure these people would be quite content with a million apiece, for aaaaaaaaaaaall their hard work.
Damn we worked hard, it wasn't easy Chuck, writing shit every day. We earned the money.

Fancy that eh, just a million think how many colleague killers must have been sending begging letters.

I wonder about all of the big book talk though, I got to thinking the publisher would only pay part, and the rest upon delivery of the full text.
I can't imagine a book by Knox generating 4 million, not even half a million, I mean who are these people who would want to read that stuff?

Personally, I wouldn't read it if they paid me 4 million, I just want as little as possible of any words uttered by any of these people in my head.

Knox in court too, I couldn't take it, her whining fake voice, I had to shut the video down and I know I missed absolutely nothing at all, except for missing out on having the memory of her words in my brain, and that is not missing anything.


They caaaaaaaalled me a liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar (boo hoo = that's because you are).

Thanks Zorba I really just wanted to agree and not put words into your mouth!! Merry Christmas to all.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 11:53 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Didn't get round to doing the Christmas decorations thing, but did have grandson around for a few hours in the early morning, so we sat there eating Christmas dinner at 10 in the morning.

Then, I went back to bed, as up half or more of the night working beforehand and have more to do.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2012 1:10 am   Post subject: Re: Best Wishes For Every One   

Hi Ergon,

You have a beautiful Christmas tree. I love it. I especially like the train rails that go around it. How nice. You are giving me ideas for next year.
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You have a beautiful Christmas tree. I love it. I especially like the train rails that go around it. How nice. You are giving me ideas for next year.



Yeah, I'm in fact jealous, as couldn't find time or energy to go look for the type of tree I wanted which would be one with roots and in soil so I could replant it, this may be the least of anyone's problems in Canada though as I imagine it as a place where those trees are like Hitchcock's Birds, overtaking the place, in fact though, the name, Christmas Tree, they obviously have a proper name which is not Christmas, what are they fir trees, and where is everyone, hungover or getting there?

So yeah, when everyone throws out their trees, I'll throw my one out from last year too, and maybe adopt one I find on the street if it has roots. Actually, one with roots might stop all of the needles falling out.

Okay, food and nap time soon.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 12:22 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Peggy Ganong has just posted details of Frank's arrest in Seattle the day before he left for Italy. http://www.perugiamurderfile.org/viewto ... 16#p124016 so well done, dot ORG!
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 12:34 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

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Peggy Ganong has just posted details of Frank's arrest in Seattle the day before he left for Italy. http://www.perugiamurderfile.org/viewto ... 16#p124016 so well done, dot ORG!


Hi Ergon,

Kermit has posted some more details:

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 12:39 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

@ zorba, here in Canada we grow tens of millions of Christmas trees, fraser, spuce, balsam fir, scotch pine for our own and the American market, though there are many farms through the northeastern United States as well. They're a rapidly renewable resource, being cut around three years, and when we're done with them, they get run through a wood chipper and used as mulch in city parks and verges. Here in Toronto, they get picked up by the municipality, which also takes our yard waste and food scraps and composts them, then provides free compost to farmers and anyone that wants to come in and spread around their gardens.

Not so easy in Europe, I reckon; I've seen the like sell for 60-100 euros. Here, I got our 8 footer for $20 from Ikea, which then gave us a $20 coupon off our next purchase, so essentially free, sorry :) But it's the spirit that counts, and how we spend it with our families.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 12:42 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

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Peggy Ganong has just posted details of Frank's arrest in Seattle the day before he left for Italy. http://www.perugiamurderfile.org/viewto ... 16#p124016 so well done, dot ORG!


Hi Ergon,

Kermit has posted some more details:

http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/966/ ... ngcoun.jpg


So does that mean he won't be coming back to Seattle for New Years eve, as he said he would to his Facebook friends?
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Peggy Ganong has just posted details of Frank's arrest in Seattle the day before he left for Italy. http://www.perugiamurderfile.org/viewto ... 16#p124016 so well done, dot ORG!


Hi Ergon,

Kermit has posted some more details:

http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/966/ ... ngcoun.jpg


So does that mean he won't be coming back to Seattle for New Years eve, as he said he would to his Facebook friends?


More details about Frank's numerous arrests are emerging and will be posted shortly. The fur is certainly going to fly in Chicago. :D

It seems Frank will be celebrating New Year's Eve in Seattle.
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I thought they made a typing error in Hawaii, but now I am getting a bit suspicious. I see 2 charges in Seattle? Oh well, make it go away Bruce!
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 1:01 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Thanks, The Machine. My sources tell me that he gets very abusive after just one drink, and think he's suffering from sort of disorder. Let's just say, anyone that invites or enables him now can't say they haven't received ample warning, and on their own heads be it.
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Thanks, The Machine. My sources tell me that he gets very abusive after just one drink, and think he's suffering from sort of disorder. Let's just say, anyone that invites or enables him now can't say they haven't received ample warning, and on their own heads be it.


Frank will be celebrating New Year's Eve in Seattle:

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 1:14 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Thanks. I looked it up and there's a domestic violence charge, http://web1.seattle.gov/courts/cpi/ and enter case #.
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584168 SFORCA CN DV OPEN Nov 28, 2012 12405175

So kudos to dot org, and it looks like the reason he wants to come back for New Years Eve is he has a pre-trial conference on Dec.31, 2012?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 1:30 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Here are both records of his arrest and his scheduled hearings in Seattle as embedded screenshots. Thanks to whoever discovered this piece of information and thanks to .org for publishing it!



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 1:41 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

I will add this only for entertainment value:

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I like the way Sean analyzed this, though, saw right through the Fog of Nonsense.

To be perfectly honest, since Amanda was arrested, I have watched a never-ending stream of :batshit crazy:: that I never thought I would ever witness in my lifetime. So I have learned never to underestimate the :batshit crazy:: doers and never to be surprised that some :batshit crazy:: nutcase is sitting in some room cooking up the next :batshit crazy:: thing to say about the kids, this case or the IA folks. (that's only 5 :batshit crazy:: , oops 6)

Yep, I'm jaded and suspicious. And for good reason.

So in all seriousness, I do think Frank was targeted, I was initially suspicious of Bettina because of her behavior and I know now, entrenched with the haters as she is, that she is truly up to no good. "Gentle Hippy" riiiiight. Since most long-time posters are aware that the haters have a Perugian pal(s) and that Mignini has it in for Frank. Then, yes, I do think this is very bad for Frank and I'm sure that Mignini is aware of what has happened.

There is much going on behind the scenes, as always, so naturally those gaps make us curious. We want answers that we are not always privy to. C'est la vie. But on the surface I know for sure no serious Supporter would have ever betrayed Frank or us in this fashion. And therefore, that person--Bettina--is certainly not the person who should be trusted to fill in any gaps. Everything she says has to be taken with a grain of salt.

And on a side note, Sean nailed one point that I agree with: Were I inviting a stranger from the internet to stay with me, I would have certainly warned them that I lived in a shack with no bathroom to allow them the choice of whether or not to stay. Frank was not forewarned and was naturally upset, who wouldn't be?? And why is that so weird? I'm pretty sure most of you prefer indoor pluming.

And for those to are believing what is being said on PMF is truth? Then you must also believe that Bruce is a lying hatchet man working for Curt and/or Marriott and that I am a tattooed, chain-smoking hillbilly that lives on top of Old Smokey and that we are both mind controlled by Marriott.

I just can't decided if that is incredibly sad or incredibly hysterical. But what I can say is:

C'mon peeps, consider the source.

And consider that Frank has been honest about who he is, so why doubt him at this point in the game because some chick got pissy and used Frank's personal foibles against him. She knew enough about him to do it, right? She's been writing to him for a few years, right? Enough to invite him to stay, right? And then she dragged the Canada guy into the fray, he at least was content to keep the misunderstandings and personality clashes in house until forced out into the open. And she dragged in a bunch of Seattle folks. And she dragged in people here and at the hater pages.

It's obvious Bettina knew exactly how to screw Frank.

And Frank will no doubt find a way to deal with this openly in his own way and in his own good time. On thing I do know is he is very, very sad about what happened and the way all of us were "included" in his and Bettina's private matter. He is mortified that she aired HER version on PMF.

And I say again "What true supporter would ever do that?" Such behavior is simply :batshit crazy:: (7).

But that, of course, I my opinion drawn from my jaded view of the haters and their crappy tricks. You all have to draw your own, but I suggest you stop looking to PMF for honest answers.

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Please read police report on .net.

There are people on this site I care about...so, consider my words (and the words of the police) What I have said is true, and I don't want well intentioned players to be hurt because of their association with truth benders and sociopaths. You know who you are.

I have been here agonizing thru the whole ordeal as a faithful friend. I would like to thank people who were outraged at the cover up as well as the other stuff. i wonder if this post will be deleted??

friend, Bettina


Cover it up in soft and pretty words, play the victim, but the bottom line is you betrayed my friends and dragged them into a stupid situation. Shame on you. So you have your 15 minutes of fame? You had to sell your soul to the devil to get it.

I am sorry you and Frank had a spat, c'est la vie, but going to the Haters? Unconscionable for anyone on the forum who really knows what the haters are capable of. Then dragging all of us there with you? I'm sorry, you get NO sympathy from me or anyone that I know who cares about Amanda and her family.

Betrayal at it's worst. Reap what you sow.


Right back at ya, KayPea. Reap what you sow.

Whatever this lunatic KayPea has been allowed to publish on Injustice Anywhere, the record/s has/have been set straight. Francesco Sforza is a has been.

Not for one moment do I believe that Bruce Fischer didn't know about Frank Sfarzo's arrest in Seattle. Big cover-up, big screw-up.
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Darn, Sforzo Sforca Sforci whatever his damned name is, is keeping up appearances for his generous benefactors.


Whatever next, I mean this reeks of a comeback, on those people, because they used him, and he thought he would be able to use them to a degree far beyond what was tolerated, he basically arrived, like some discoverer, a modern day Columbus, thinking he'd be handed handsome sums of money for his hard (this is sic) work, he came with great expectations and obviously freaked out, from those expectations, now whoever in the world was it in Seattle he criminally assaulted, was it the Knox family, after all, who else?

Sforco in Italy: Listen I cannot appear in court

Police: Why?

Sforco: Because I have to make several appearances in the courts of the US of A.

Police: You are very much a wanted man then

Sforco: Oh yes, wanted!

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 1:48 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

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Thanks. I looked it up and there's a domestic violence charge, http://web1.seattle.gov/courts/cpi/ and enter case #.
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Case Number Defendant Type Category Status Filing Date Police Incident Number
584168 SFORCA CN DV OPEN Nov 28, 2012 12405175

So kudos to dot org, and it looks like the reason he wants to come back for New Years Eve is he has a pre-trial conference on Dec.31, 2012?


Exactly, and it is a criminal charge. If you move your cursor over the abbreviations, it will reveal what it stands for:

Type: CN = Criminal
Category: DV = Domestic Violence

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 1:49 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Wasn't his writing aggressive, if you look at it in perspective his haughty, always I am better than you all and you are all losers and nobodies, etc, I mean, now it is really clear isn't it quite how disturbed this individual is!

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 1:56 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

So what happened? He stayed at least a night in jail, I just saw, from the 27th to the 28th

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 2:08 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

He stayed overnight in jail in Seattle, zorba, as he also did in Hawaii, having been arrested shortly after midnight there. And this makes his story that he had lunch in Canada even more unlikely, but one thing's for sure, he won't be visiting our fair country for some time now. Because if he wasn't barred, then, he most likely is NOW.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 2:18 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Yeah and to go so off his nut Ergon; he must have arrived back in Seattle blaming everyone for not having been crowned king of the Hawaiians and rewarded in gold

I bet he was blaming people, I mean it is the in-thing after all amongst all of them


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 2:23 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

One has to say, there is some poetic justice in the fact of our breaking this news about Frank on Bettina's birthday. Karma at work! :)

Happy Birthday Bettina!!! :)

I'm looking forward to the entertainment of seeing Bruce Fischer and KayPea try and spin it that it was all the fault of the 'other' person in Seattle rather then Frank's, as is their M.O.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 2:28 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

zorba wrote:
So what happened? He stayed at least a night in jail, I just say, from the 27th to the 28th


Yep. He stayed for a night in jail. He was arrested on the 27th of November and had a arraignment hearing on the 28th of November. His pre-trial hearing is scheduled for the 31st of December 2012 on 10:00 am in court room 1103. His bail was set on $1,000 for each assault charge, $2,000 in total and his balance shows $0,00.

There are two assault charges and he plead not guilty to both of them.

You can see all this information by going to seattle.gov Court Public Information. At the left hand there is a sidebar, click on Case. Enter his case number 584168 in the search field and press enter. Copy and paste doesn't seem to work for the search field, I had to put in the numbers manually.

Note that under the basic information there are tabs Charges, Citations, Hearings, Events and Obligations that offer more detailed information.

There was also a no contact order issued against Frank Sfarzo. He asked for an interpreter and to talk to speak with the consulate. Under Remarks it says the following:

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Dec 05, 2012 NOTICE OF APPEARANCE FILED BY ACA 12/04/12 A SAMUEL #23444
Dec 04, 2012 NOTICE OF ACCEPTANCE SAMUEL A 23444
Nov 30, 2012 NOTICE OF WITHDRAWAL
Nov 30, 2012 CASE REFERRED TO ACA
Nov 29, 2012 CASE REFERRED TO NDA
Nov 28, 2012 CHARGE # 2 12A060100 (ASSAULT) PENDING
Nov 28, 2012 NO CONTACT ORDER 01/09/1955
Nov 28, 2012 NO CONTACT ORDER
Nov 28, 2012 PR GRANTED BY COURT
Nov 28, 2012 PRE-TRIAL HEARING SCHEDULED FOR 12/31/2012 AT 1000 INCOURTROOM 1103
Nov 28, 2012 INTERPRETER HAS BEEN REQUESTED (ITAL)
Nov 28, 2012 DF: SFORCA, FRANCESCO (1565666) PRESENT DL:1106 CLK:JR AOD:ROOD(R9). DEF ARRAIGNED. DA MTN FOR RELEASE-GRANTED. CITY MTN TO SET BAIL @$1500 OR DSCP- DENIED. DEF WISHES TO SPEAK WITH CONSULATE.
Nov 28, 2012 CASE REFERRED TO NDA
Nov 28, 2012 CHARGE # 1 12A060100 (ASSAULT) NOT GUILTY PLEA ENTERED
Nov 28, 2012 CHARGE # 2 12A060100 (ASSAULT) NOT GUILTY PLEA ENTERED
Nov 28, 2012 PROBABLE CAUSE FOUND BY COURT
Nov 27, 2012 DEFENDANT BOOKED. BA# 212031067
Nov 27, 2012 IN-CUSTODY ARRAIGNMENT SCHEDULED FOR 11/28/2012 AT 1005 IN COURTROOM KCJ2
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 2:38 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Please note everyone. Frank also gave a false spelling of his name to the Seattle PD. Doing so once to the Hawaii'n police might just have been a mistake, now having done so twice this has clearly been done by Sforza deliberately.

I believe that the reason for Sforza doing this is not only to prevent these arrests being discovered by the public. I believe he's also done it to try and prevent his being barred from the US and Canada. It's so that if in the future, if he ever has trouble entering the States or Canada because of these past events, he can say "Hey, that's not me, that's some guy named Sforca, I'm a different guy, I'm Francesco Sforza, see...it says so in my passport!"

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Er, for the record, Bettina's birthday is tomorrow, Dec. 27, Michael :)
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 2:45 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Over at Bruce's they are already in full damage control:

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Just wondering what do you make of the other incidents , one in Perugia, one in Canada and now we learn Seattle. Hard to blame Bettina or Mignini. That's 4 issues with police that we know of. Take that carpet outside and give it a shake there's lots under there.


The charges in Hawaii were dismissed. The charges in Seattle most likely will be dismissed. There were no charges in Canada.

That leaves Mignini. And we all know what he's about.



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Please read police report on .net.

There are people on this site I care about...so, consider my words (and the words of the police) What I have said is true, and I don't want well intentioned players to be hurt because of their association with truth benders and sociopaths. You know who you are.

I have been here agonizing thru the whole ordeal as a faithful friend. I would like to thank people who were outraged at the cover up as well as the other stuff. i wonder if this post will be deleted??

friend, Bettina


Bettina,

The police report was a publically available document as of the day after you filed it. I have had it since then. I found it interesting you complained about an area you claimed "was going to bruise." I find this interesting because if it hadn't bruised by the time the police got to the hotel and by the time they heard the complaints and by the time they wrote the statements, I find it hard to believe it ever really did bruise. I am also wondering if you ever came up with the pictures of these bruises and the texts you said you were going to produce for pms.net over a month ago. I don't post anywhere much because I pretty much stay out of the drama but I was quite intrigued with your version of events at the time of the "incident" which is why I did a little of my own investigative work. I was also a bit amused by your statement that Frank "was not allowed in Canada because of the trouble/false charges" because I KNOW THIS IS NOT TRUE. It is a fact, it IS NOT TRUE. So I am wondering just how much of what you have said is true.

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Was the bail money Paid? If so, who paid it?

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In England it's the 27th already, so in England it's her birthday :)

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 2:59 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

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Was the bail money Paid? If so, who paid it?


Sfarzo could have paid the bail himself from the $5,000 he received from Peter H.

To me it is not clear if bail was paid and there is also a discrepancy of $500. It says under Obligations $1,000 for each assault charge and under End Reason it says APPR which could stand for approved? Under Events though the judge sets the bail at only $1,500.

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So from what I understand, his bail was ultimately set at $1,500 during the in-custody arraignment hearing and he or someone else must have paid it. In his record it says Total Obligation Due: $0.00. From the documents it is not evident who paid the bail.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 3:03 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

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Er, for the record, Bettina's birthday is tomorrow, Dec. 27, Michael :)


In England it's the 27th already, so in England it's her birthday :)



Yep. In Australia it is the 27th already, so

Happy Birthday Tamale!

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would love to know who it was now he assaulted

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Er, for the record, Bettina's birthday is tomorrow, Dec. 27, Michael :)



Well it did happen within 24 hours of the hour of my birth...so I consider it a bday present. Ha
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So what happened? He stayed at least a night in jail, I just say, from the 27th to the 28th


Yep. He stayed for a night in jail. He was arrested on the 27th of November and had a arraignment hearing on the 28th of November. His pre-trial hearing is scheduled for the 31st of December 2012 on 10:00 am in court room 1103. His bail was set on $1,000 for each assault charge, $2,000 in total and his balance shows $0,00.

There are two assault charges and he plead not guilty to both of them.
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Maybe he assaulted Dempsey, haven't seen Bremner's plasticised facey wacey in this, but it seems like it may be arguments with the Knox/Mellases

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Hey

Happy Birthday Bettina

If I had been born yesterday, like by believing everything these people said, I could have said our birthdays are almost on the same day, but, I don't believe a word they say!!!!!!!

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 3:13 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

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Sfarzo could have paid the bail himself from the $5,000 he received from Peter H.


I would imagine that that money would have been long spent by then. I am suspecting that one or more of the Seattle gang helped him out and paid it for him (if it was actually paid, for as you say, that isn't fully clear).

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would love to know who it was now he assaulted


It could have been as many as two people, since there are two assaults.

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Yes, Michael, is it possible the name we keep hearing is the real one, and he was telling everyone a fake name all along, after all, if arrested in a foreign country, he must show identification, a passport, so I don't get how he'd get away with simply stating a false name all of the time.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 3:27 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Nell wrote:
Michael wrote:
Was the bail money Paid? If so, who paid it?


Sfarzo could have paid the bail himself from the $5,000 he received from Peter H.

To me it is not clear if bail was paid and there is also a discrepancy of $500. It says under Obligations $1,000 for each assault charge and under End Reason it says APPR which could stand for approved? Under Events though the judge sets the bail at only $1,500.

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So from what I understand, his bail was ultimately set at $1,500 during the in-custody arraignment hearing and he or someone else must have paid it. In his record it says Total Obligation Due: $0.00. From the documents it is not evident who paid the bail.


A bail bondsman or a personal guarantor would have signed for the bail, Nell, so they're on the hook for $2000 only if he doesn't show up in court. That information will be part of the public record, unless a judge ordered that sealed :)
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 3:27 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Bruce Fischer's public statement regarding Frank Sfarzo's latest arrest in Seattle is quoted below. It is evident that he is unable to connect the dots.

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Okay, lets lay this out in simple terms. Amanda and Raffaele are free. Nothing that happens in Frank's life at this point has anything at all to do with anything that took place in the past with regard to the case. Nothing happening in Frank's life has anything at all to do with Meredith Kercher.

So why are the people that claim to gather in order to preserve Meredith's memory obsessed with Frank Sfarzo? Why are they spending night and day talking about him on their site they claim is dedicated to Meredith Kercher?

The answer to those questions is simple. They are frauds. They don't care about Meredith. They are a hate site obsessed with attacking anyone associated with Amanda Knox. They have spend the past month trying to discredit IIP due to Frank's troubles. They have failed miserably of course.

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Why on earth do the PMF's think this is my crisis? I just signed on to the forum for the first time today. I was obviously not concerned by any of this. There is no crisis.

Here's what we know about Frank's recent troubles:

He had an argument with a man in Canada. A man called the police while Frank was sleeping because he no longer wanted Frank in his house. The police came to check it out. Frank woke up and left the house peacefully. No charges of any kind were filed. Frank is not banned from Canada (as falsely reported by PMF).

Frank had an argument with Bettina in Hawaii. The police were called. Frank was arrested and an investigation was conducted. It was determined that there was no sufficient proof in the he said she said argument. The case is closed.

While Frank was detained in Hawaii, Bettina took Frank's phone and called many of his contacts in an attempt to stir up trouble. I base my opinion regarding Bettina's intentions on Bettina's initial contact with me. Her comments were designed to smear Frank. Her tone was vindictive.

Frank's contacts included Frank's roommates in Seattle. Bettina befriended one of Frank's roommates and after apparent discussions between Bettina, and at least one other roommate, the roommates were led to believe that Frank was wanted in several jurisdictions leading them to believe that Frank could be turned in for a reward. This led to the roommates harassing Frank which led to a fight. This causes another call to the police leading to another arrest for Frank.

I honestly didn't even know that Frank's arrest in Seattle wasn't already talked about online. I thought this was already part of the soap opera that has been ongoing. Some would like to connect me to all of this or try to insinuate that I need to clarify details or keep up with the facts of Frank's troubles. This is ridiculous. I am not Frank's attorney. Nothing happening in his life has anything to do with me.

We will see what happens with the situation in Seattle. I have people telling me that the roommates are mentally unstable. I know nothing about them. If the reports about the roommates are true, this should all be a lesson learned for Frank. If you have a unique personality (like Frank) its probably not best to rent rooms from mentally unstable people and travel around the world in order to spend time with other mentally unstable people.

PMF can rant and rave all they like. I am not going to spend any more time on this.


According to Bruce Fischer it is Bettina's fault that Frank got himself arrested again in Seattle. She befriended the roommates Sfarzo stayed with in Seattle and somehow that convinced them that he was a wanted man with a reward put on his head. You cannot make this stuff up!

That Mignini was made out as a corrupt and rogue Italian prosecutor was thanks to Sfarzo's support libeling him on his blog perugia-shock. Sfarzo claimed to have been harassed by "Mignini's minions" and his fictitious account of events was published verbatim by the CPJ. So yes, Sfarzo's criminal history is very much linked to the Meredith Kercher murder case.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 3:32 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

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Yes, Michael, is it possible the name we keep hearing is the real one, and he was telling everyone a fake name all along, after all, if arrested in a foreign coiuntry, he must show identification, a passport, so I don't get how he'd get away with simply stating a false name


Yet there he is, in two separate jurisdictions, appearing in court as Francesco Sforca, so false information was provided, zorba. His legal name is Francesco Sforza, but his European ID might have the little hook under the c so it appears as though he spelled it as SFORCA for the cops, and they didn't catch it, not speaking European at all :)
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 3:32 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Now, let's look at Frank Sforza in context:

1) One trial for defamation in Italy

2) One arrest for domestic violence and assaulting a female police officer in Italy and on trial for the latter

3) One arrest for harassment in Hawaii

4) Detained and removed by police in Canada for threatening behaviour and assaulting his host. Falsely accusing his host of sexual molestation

5) Arrested and charged for two assault charges in Seattle

6) Tried to sell naked pictures of Amanda Knox to the tabloids behind her family and supporters backs

7) Tried to get Knox to sleep with him and when she refused him, he went around bad mouthing her

8) Has gone around insulting many of his supporters and donors behind their backs

9) Has publicly lied about his journalistic credentials and history

10) Has deliberately given false details to at least two different police departments

What a sleazebag! And still, Bruce Fischer, KatPee and their cronies champion him. What an advert he is for the campaign for Amanda Knox!

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 3:33 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Ha ha,

what a weak, pathetic asshole this character Bruce is eh.

Nothing to do with Meredith, nothing to do with Frank, sure!

Has everything to do with Meredith, everything to do with the shockingly distasteful way peasants such as Frank and Bruce twist facts and behave in totally selfish ways, aggressive and unkind ways.

Poor Bruce who knows his credibility is shot to pieces, he defends peasants like Frank, who try to profit from murder, he does it because he too wishes to profit from murder, Meredith's murder.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 3:35 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

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Yes, Michael, is it possible the name we keep hearing is the real one, and he was telling everyone a fake name all along, after all, if arrested in a foreign coiuntry, he must show identification, a passport, so I don't get how he'd get away with simply stating a false name


Yet there he is, in two separate jurisdictions, appearing in court as Francesco Sforca, so false information was provided, zorba. His legal name is Francesco Sforza, but his European ID might have the little hook under the c so it appears as though he spelled it as SFORCA for the cops, and they didn't catch it, not speaking European at all :)


In his passport, his name is Francesco Sforza.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 3:39 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Michael wrote:
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zorba wrote:
Yes, Michael, is it possible the name we keep hearing is the real one, and he was telling everyone a fake name all along, after all, if arrested in a foreign coiuntry, he must show identification, a passport, so I don't get how he'd get away with simply stating a false name


Yet there he is, in two separate jurisdictions, appearing in court as Francesco Sforca, so false information was provided, zorba. His legal name is Francesco Sforza, but his European ID might have the little hook under the c so it appears as though he spelled it as SFORCA for the cops, and they didn't catch it, not speaking European at all :)


In his passport, his name is Francesco Sforza.


Right but I still cannot see how he'd get away with that as a passport is THE thing police will take a close look at when questioning someone.

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Happy Birthday Bettina

If I had been born yesterday, like by believing everything these people said, I could have said our birthdays are almost on the same day, but, I don't believe a word they say!!!!!!!

thank you so much. The name on his passport is Sforza.....
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tamale wrote:
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Happy Birthday Bettina

If I had been born yesterday, like by believing everything these people said, I could have said our birthdays are almost on the same day, but, I don't believe a word they say!!!!!!!

thank you so much. The name on his passport is Sforza.....


Hi Bettina,

How does he get away with telling them a wrong name, do you get it?

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 3:48 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

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Not for one moment do I believe that Bruce Fischer didn't know about Frank Sfarzo's arrest in Seattle. Big cover-up, big screw-up.


Of course Fischer knew about it! And he kept it from his followers. Cover up! Cover up! Cover up! Some credibility his 'organisation' has.

Maybe Fischer's followers will begin asking what else he's hiding from them! ;)

That's the problem when someone lives on the back of lies and hides the truth from everyone...the truth will eventually out and the lies will start crashing down around your ears. And nasty little people, come to nasty little ends...

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 3:54 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

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zorba wrote:
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Happy Birthday Bettina

If I had been born yesterday, like by believing everything these people said, I could have said our birthdays are almost on the same day, but, I don't believe a word they say!!!!!!!

thank you so much. The name on his passport is Sforza.....


Hi Bettina,

How does he get away with telling them a wrong name, do you get it?


Maybe he didn't have any photo id on him when he was arrested and that's how he got away with the wrong spelling? Otherwise I am out of ideas.
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Not for one moment do I believe that Bruce Fischer didn't know about Frank Sfarzo's arrest in Seattle. Big cover-up, big screw-up.


Of course Fischer knew about it! And he kept it from his followers. Cover up! Cover up! Cover up! Some credibility his 'organisation' has.

Maybe Fischer's followers will begin asking what else he's hiding from them! ;)

That's the problem when someone lives on the back of lies and hides the truth from everyone...the truth will eventually out and the lies will start crashing down around your ears. And nasty little people, come to nasty little ends...



I agree I'd gladly contribute via a donate to Bruce button so he could see a vet and be put out of his obvious misery.

Donate to Bruce here: Dear donors, all of Bruce's schemes have failed and he has no means of income, if you could open your hearts and help to put him out of his misery an appointment can be made by Saturday.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 3:57 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Nell wrote:
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zorba wrote:
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Happy Birthday Bettina

If I had been born yesterday, like by believing everything these people said, I could have said our birthdays are almost on the same day, but, I don't believe a word they say!!!!!!!

thank you so much. The name on his passport is Sforza.....


Hi Bettina,

How does he get away with telling them a wrong name, do you get it?


Maybe he didn't have any photo id on him when he was arrested and that's how he got away with the wrong spelling? Otherwise I am out of ideas.


Yes, I'm sure this will come out in the wash too

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 4:02 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

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He had an argument with a man in Canada. A man called the police while Frank was sleeping because he no longer wanted Frank in his house. The police came to check it out. Frank woke up and left the house peacefully. No charges of any kind were filed. Frank is not banned from Canada (as falsely reported by PMF).


Fischer just can't stop lying. Peter H made it very clear that he did not call the police whilst Frank was sleeping! Frank was very much awake and made his host, a man in his 70's, feel so threatened he had to call out the police at four in the morning. And one can only shake ones head at your constant leaving out the fact that Sforza then falsely accused his victim of sexually molesting him, a false accusation he never withdrew! And he didn't "leave the house peaceably", the police took him away!

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Bruce Fischer's public statement regarding Frank Sfarzo's latest arrest in Seattle is quoted below. It is evident that he is unable to connect the dots.
...........
According to Bruce Fischer it is Bettina's fault that Frank got himself arrested again in Seattle. She befriended the roommates Sfarzo stayed with in Seattle and somehow that convinced them that he was a wanted man with a reward put on his head. You cannot make this stuff up!

That Mignini was made out as a corrupt and rogue Italian prosecutor was thanks to Sfarzo's support libeling him on his blog perugia-shock. Sfarzo claimed to have been harassed by "Mignini's minions" and his fictitious account of events was published verbatim by the CPJ. So yes, Sfarzo's criminal history is very much linked to the Meredith Kercher murder case.


Funny, also, that Bruce adds that the roommates were 'mentally unstable', which is what those who know him best are saying about Frank, lol. Seeing as how this is what Frank's m.o. is, starting with his accusations about PM Mignini, echoed by Dempsey and his acolytes, I have no problem saying Frank displays many of the signs of bipolar disorder, which is reflected in his bizarre behaviour after consuming ONE drink; so pot, meet kettle.

But since Bettina is being slurred again by Frank's mouthpiece Bruce Fischer, I will say this. Frank's room mates in Seattle were a diverse group. I can't say more about the persons who were assaulted without betraying a confidence, but I will say this. If this is the one I'm thinking of, Frank might want to be very careful about calling them 'mentally unstable'.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 4:14 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

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According to Bruce Fischer it is Bettina's fault that Frank got himself arrested again in Seattle. She befriended the roommates Sfarzo stayed with in Seattle and somehow that convinced them that he was a wanted man with a reward put on his head. You cannot make this stuff up!


I'm wondering just how long Fischer's followers are going to put up with having their intelligence insulted.

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I honestly didn't even know that Frank's arrest in Seattle wasn't already talked about online. I thought this was already part of the soap opera that has been ongoing.


Liar!

Lie and lie and lie!

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 4:40 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

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Happy Birthday Bettina

If I had been born yesterday, like by believing everything these people said, I could have said our birthdays are almost on the same day, but, I don't believe a word they say!!!!!!!

thank you so much. The name on his passport is Sforza.....


Hi Bettina,

How does he get away with telling them a wrong name, do you get it?


I really don't know! I can say he did not have his passport for his arrest in HI, because it was in the room. He did have some kind of ID card. Maybe the ID card says Sforca...
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This is truly sad and sickening. Not just what Frank has been doing, but what Bruce and KayPea are doing to further their agenda. Are they actually trying to convince people that Frank was set-up? Frank is so powerful that someone donated $5,000 to Frank's fund, opened his home to Frank in order to set him up? Then, someone else paid for a plane ticket to Hawaii for him, then paid for a hotel room for him, in order to set him up? Then an additional group in Seattle put him up in order to set him up? And Frank's sisters, they're in on it too?

Give us a break, Bruce, and shut up. You're actually embarrassing.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 5:02 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Tamale, I have a question for you, if you know. If KayPea is such a close friend of the Knox clan, and knows them so intimately, why is she putting up such a fight to defend Frank? If they are trying to distance themselves from the mooch who made a play for their daughter, why isn't KayPea putting distance also?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 5:15 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Here's more of the lie, so far:

That we at PMF. Net continue to say Frank is barred from Canada. Not true. We clarified later by saying that while this was based on a statement from the original complainant in British Columbia, we note also that it is being denied by Frank's surrogate, Bruce Fischer. As proof, he said "Frank had lunch with a supporter in Canada". Thanks to the Reverend "Bill Williams", we now hear it was he who had lunch with Frank afterwards, and as proof, "Frank even registered at the CBSA kiosk". He also says "the story isn't true" so he's indirectly accusing the complainant P.H. of lying, which is not very Christian like, I guess, as like the Pharisee he ignores his one time friend asking for help "Bill Williams, why are you hiding?".

It appears now, that Francesco Sforza lied to the police in Hawaii and Seattle about his name. Like all European nationals, he would also be carrying a E.U. identity card, which, I'm guessing, shows his name as Francesco SforCa. That's why when ever he presents his passport at a border, all his charges do not appear on any database. Simple, really, but I think lying to the police might not go well in court, come December 31.

Edited to add: probable cause was also found in Hawaii, and the charges dropped only because the complainant spoke to the district attorney and arranged to have the charges dropped by not appearing in court. That it was dismissed without prejudice is important. The charges are in effect, stayed, and can be reinstated if he were to reoffend. Bruce should stop with the smoke screen, already.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 5:22 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

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According to Bruce Fischer it is Bettina's fault that Frank got himself arrested again in Seattle. She befriended the roommates Sfarzo stayed with in Seattle and somehow that convinced them that he was a wanted man with a reward put on his head. You cannot make this stuff up!


I'm wondering just how long Fischer's followers are going to put up with having their intelligence insulted.


Fischer is taking his excuses to a whole new level. See his latest. I was laughing tears in front of my computer.

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Michael wrote:
"Fischer just can't stop lying. Peter H made it very clear that he did not call the police whilst Frank was sleeping! Frank was very much awake and made his host, a man in his 70's, feel so threatened he had to call out the police at four in the morning. And one can only shake ones head at your constant leaving out the fact that Sforza then falsely accused his victim of sexually molesting him, a false accusation he never withdrew! And he didn't "leave the house peaceably", the police took him away!"


Everything I said is true. Frank was sleeping when the police were called. The police did not "take him away" as Michael states. The police were kind enough to give him a ride. No arrest, no charges.

I think its hilarious that Michael called me a liar. A guy that cannot produce a bleach receipt he swears he has and a guy that claims his forum cannot complete a project for Meredith because his photo gallery is not working. Michael is a fraud.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 5:24 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Anyhow, we just had a lot of snow, and I went out and cleared a rather large driveway and sidewalk, with drifts of about a foot or so. It'll be another couple of feet in the morning, so I'll head to bed.

And out there this lovely winter night, I met my neighbour's son, a lovely gentleman who's visiting from out of town, helping his dad by doing the same snow shoveling, and it turns out his name is Frank too! What an interesting coincidence :)
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 6:27 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

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I honestly didn't even know that Frank's arrest in Seattle wasn't already talked about online. I thought this was already part of the soap opera that has been ongoing.


Liar!

Lie and lie and lie!

I just received conformation Bruce knew about it.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 6:42 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

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Tamale, I have a question for you, if you know. If KayPea is such a close friend of the Knox clan, and knows them so intimately, why is she putting up such a fight to defend Frank? If they are trying to distance themselves from the mooch who made a play for their daughter, why isn't KayPea putting distance also?

I know nothing about the Kay Pea person (except she has no manners). Sorry I can't help
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 7:24 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

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I honestly didn't even know that Frank's arrest in Seattle wasn't already talked about online. I thought this was already part of the soap opera that has been ongoing.


Liar!

Lie and lie and lie!

I just received conformation Bruce knew about it.



Bruce Fischer claims in one of his latest comments to have all the details:


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Frank's contacts included Frank's roommates in Seattle. Bettina befriended one of Frank's roommates and after apparent discussions between Bettina, and at least one other roommate, the roommates were led to believe that Frank was wanted in several jurisdictions leading them to believe that Frank could be turned in for a reward. This led to the roommates harassing Frank which led to a fight. This causes another call to the police leading to another arrest for Frank.


According to him you are the instigator by conspiring together with two roommates against Frank Sfarzo, misleading them to believe he could be turned in for a reward. Then he goes further in accusing the two roommates of harassing Frank which led to a fight. This is a close and shut case: tamale/Bettina is to blame, together with the two roommates. Frank is innocent - for the fourth time in a row.

I would like to see Bruce Fischer, the guy with the not-yet-registered non-profit organisation Injustice Anywhere who has been accepting donations nonetheless for the past two years, to have a closer look at one of his members: Peter Hoemberg. This man has been accused of sexual assault by Frank Sfarzo. That is a very serious crime and shouldn't go unpunished if true. Either Bruce Fischer doesn't believe Frank Sfarzo's allegations, or he feels comfy being surrounded by sexual predators. Something is wrong here. A bit weird for a guy who claims to be dedicated to fight injustice anywhere to absolutely not take any interest in these emerging stories.

Furthermore I find it odd that every comment defending Frank Sfarzo begins with "we all know that Frank can be a pain ...".
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I am going to reply to these horrible comments at Idiots Anonymous since they refer to the conversation I had with Bettina today.
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"As for Bettina, she is an obvious fraud. She is now claiming to folks on PMF that she was so traumatized by Frank that she is still struggling to get over it and is having "flashbacks." That is simply not believable. Edited by moderator It is not plausible that just having a very brief argument with someone can result in "flashbacks."

Bettina also shows herself to be a disturbed person in the way that she has gone about trying to turn people against Frank and stir up trouble. She has also been spying on him in his own residence in Seattle by contacting his roommates in their rental house to spread lies and try to get dirt on him. Talk about an invasion of privacy. I think Bettina is stalking Frank and should be investigated. It is illegal to be going after someone to harass a person like that, such as contacting their friends and associates to try to cause them grief.

We are not here to play doctor. Please keep it civil.


Bettina is speaking with roommates of Frank's in Seattle. I find this to be troubling as well. I do not know her motives but I know how it appears. Her first contact with me was not to find help for Frank but to tell me that Frank was a fraud and now the entire world would know. I don't think this will amount to anything at all. Bettina is in Hawaii so she won't be stalking Frank. Frank's roommate in Seattle is an adult and can befriend anyone he likes. It would be best if Frank stayed away from Bettina and that is exactly what he is doing. I don't think anymore will come of this as Frank goes back to Italy. Its an unfortunate situation for all involved."


New member "Sean2012baby" did not speak to Bettina, I did. And what she said was "every time I start to feel a little bit better, the memories come back to me". So Mr. or Ms. Sensitive might consider whether this is what happens to victims of abuse, and how shocked they can be, and how they keep reliving the abuse for years is not worth sympathy? And what makes you think Bettina called the roommate in Seattle? How DARE you suggest she's spying on Frank? People are calling and writing to HER with stories about Frank which she has every right to tell anyone that will listen, since Bruce Fischer has banned her from speaking openly.

Let's just say: I quoted Bettina accurately, and Bruce and Co. ought to be ashamed.

If anybody had been (internet) stalking Frank then the truth would have come out a lot sooner about his night in the Seattle slammer. It only came out after a month. Lousy stalkers we are :mrgreen: Silly stuff if you read these old comments now realizing that Frank was in jail at that moment. I think they already knew.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 9:41 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

If he doesn't make it back to America, and at least attend court, then any future trips to America will have to be via Mexico, like sneaked in over the border, or via Canada, sneaking in first to Canada and then from there, sneaking into America.

Frank, not yet or ever having come to his senses, is not going to want to lose his American dream, it might have been other poeples' money he got a whiff of, but he smelled it sure enough. Especially Knox's money, the idea she had 4 million, made him think a fair share is his rightfully, as he said all those things about Mignini for her.

Now Bruce, I don't know what he really does, but he sure seems one of the worst, you know, like attracts like, and in a murder case, the murderer is bound to attract people to support them if those people are nasty too in one way or maybe many others, yeah Bruce, he'd spend Christmas telling lies on top of lies; is he a Baby Jesus rapist?

I mean to say, we do not yet know if these latest assaults were lodged/lunged/attacks on women, but it seems highly probable considering all the rest of the assaults were, and yet Bruce keeps on and on and making excuses, why? bashing on women that way, that far, someone who supports it, might very well simply be a rapist himself if he encourages this stuff.

At the very least he can be nothing more than a woman hater.
Bruce fights against women.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 9:53 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

tamale wrote:
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Happy Birthday Bettina

If I had been born yesterday, like by believing everything these people said, I could have said our birthdays are almost on the same day, but, I don't believe a word they say!!!!!!!

thank you so much. The name on his passport is Sforza.....


Hi Bettina,

How does he get away with telling them a wrong name, do you get it?


I really don't know! I can say he did not have his passport for his arrest in HI, because it was in the room. He did have some kind of ID card. Maybe the ID card says Sforca...



Hi right,

But I think, a foreigner would not get by with just an identification card, I may be wrong on that, I think when it is a case of trouble, police usually request/demand more, but identification cards have different degrees of validity, in many countries ID was enforced, but in the UK it was refused as a system, and this is one of the reasons so many people escaping economic hardship or other, wish to get into Britain rather than stay on the continent, because it seems like there is more freedom in Britain, however, it also means you can move around and use any number of identities. Sometimes, even the police, in certain countries, do not know their own laws/rules/practices, so perhaps it's like that in America.

I do not know what is usual in the States, maybe Americans use all kinds of ID to identify themselves and so if a foreigner gets pulled over, said individual can show them pretty much anything with a name on it.

An Italian ID card would probably be in French and English these days besides Italian.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 9:55 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Wonder what it will take before Bruce shuts up talking shit; maybe when Sfarzo murders someone?

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 11:39 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

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Wonder what it will take before Bruce shuts up talking shit; maybe when Sfarzo murders someone?



Not that murder kept him from supporting Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 2:07 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

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Here's more of the lie, so far:

That we at PMF. Net continue to say Frank is barred from Canada. Not true. We clarified later by saying that while this was based on a statement from the original complainant in British Columbia, we note also that it is being denied by Frank's surrogate, Bruce Fischer. As proof, he said "Frank had lunch with a supporter in Canada". Thanks to the Reverend "Bill Williams", we now hear it was he who had lunch with Frank afterwards, and as proof, "Frank even registered at the CBSA kiosk". He also says "the story isn't true" so he's indirectly accusing the complainant P.H. of lying, which is not very Christian like, I guess, as like the Pharisee he ignores his one time friend asking for help "Bill Williams, why are you hiding?".

It appears now, that Francesco Sforza lied to the police in Hawaii and Seattle about his name. Like all European nationals, he would also be carrying a E.U. identity card, which, I'm guessing, shows his name as Francesco SforCa. That's why when ever he presents his passport at a border, all his charges do not appear on any database. Simple, really, but I think lying to the police might not go well in court, come December 31.

Edited to add: probable cause was also found in Hawaii, and the charges dropped only because the complainant spoke to the district attorney and arranged to have the charges dropped by not appearing in court. That it was dismissed without prejudice is important. The charges are in effect, stayed, and can be reinstated if he were to reoffend. Bruce should stop with the smoke screen, already.


Peter Hoemberg has given a little more detail about Frank Sfarzo's visit to Canada. I will quote his comment published on Injustice Anywhere below:

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Everything I said is true. Frank was sleeping when the police were called. The police did not "take him away" as Michael states. The police were kind enough to give him a ride. No arrest, no charges.

I think its hilarious that Michael called me a liar. A guy that cannot produce a bleach receipt he swears he has and a guy that claims his forum cannot complete a project for Meredith because his photo gallery is not working. Michael is a fraud.


Bruce,
You are wrong!

I have tried very hard not to throw coals on the fire by staying out of the debate as much as possible. I support this site and it's view regarding Amanda and Raffaele. However, let us correct a few 'facts'.

Frank was NOT asleep when I called the police We had been involved in an increasingly testy argument for some 3 hours and I came to the conclusion that matters had become intense enough that I should not endure Frank's verbal assault any further whilst he was a guest in my own home with all expenses paid.

Frank was only wearing some swimming trunks / underwear which may have led police into believing that he had been asleep. However, that was his normal 'dress code' while he was in the house, even while watching TV in the middle of the day.

As to Frank's permission to enter Canada:

For his first visit he was only allowed to stay 8 days. Bill Williamson had picked him up in Seattle and delivered him to my door. Bill's explanation to me for the limitation to 8 days was that Frank had not been quite forthcoming with Canadian immigration officials. I was not there, check with Bill if he has a different explanation now.

When Frank tried to re-enter Canada for his second visit immigration withheld his passport and asked me to attend at their offices the next day to clarify matters. It took some time to convince immigration officials to let him back in. Only after Frank showed them an Italian hydro bill, proving he had an address in Italy, did they relent.

Forms were filled out and stapled into his passport and it was made very clear to both of us that re-entry into Canada would be refused . My assumption that he would not be allowed re-entry was based on that assurance from immigration officials attending at the ferry terminal in Sidney, BC. During my interrogation by an RCMP officer (recorded :cop: ) this was further confirmed.

Clearly, if Bill W had lunch with him the next day, someone changed minds.

NOW, ENOUGH OF IT ALREADY! I really do not want to have to deal with this odious mess any further.

Peter Hoemberg / e740JPH


There is a rumour on Injustice Anywhere that Peter Hoemberg suspected Frank Sfarzo of stealing his wallet and this is what their argument was about. Peter Hoemberg hasn't denied or confirmed this rumour so far, but he has been asked by a member on Injustice Anywhere if he could confirm it and if he had found his wallet in the meantime.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 2:25 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

In Australia we are already past midnight. For us it is the 28th of December.

Today (depending which timezone you are in) would have been Meredith's 27th birthday had she lived.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 2:45 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Some more bedtime stories from Bruce Fischer:

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Frank's troubles in Italy are complicated. We know he was targeted by Mignini because his website was taken offline. The CPJ has documented the abuse Frank has suffered at the hands of Mignini. Frank is also having trouble with a family matter. This is a private matter that will get sorted out in court. Mignini has done his best to manipulate that matter to make things worse for Frank. Frank's relatives have repeatedly stated in court that Mignini's accusations related to the family matter (with regard to Frank attacking family members) are false. Mignini's efforts to get involved with a family matter are despicable. We will all have to wait for Frank's court appearance for that to get sorted out. It is not uncommon for family to have disputes over property etc.

This forum supports Frank with his ongoing struggles with Mignini. We have no opinion on his current issues with his family. Any support we have offered in the past, present, or future, will be related to his struggles with Mignini and will have absolutely nothing to do with his family matters or with any arguments he happens to get into while traveling.


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Have you seen the court documents? Have they been translated?


No. I am only going by what a person (not Frank) that has been present at the hearings has told me. We will all have to wait and see how it all plays out. Until then PMF will continue to speculate and simply make things up.


Interesting that Bruce Fischer admits not not have seen any court related documents regarding Sfarzo's pending court case in Perugia, because just a few days ago he wrote on his forum that the case was public record.

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Okay.

If he made up the story about being targeted by Mignini who sent round the cops at 6am and beat him up for no reason and also that he needed 10,000 euro to keep his apartment (when he didn't) then he's a con-artist and a fraud.

If people here donated money based on lies then they have every right to feel betrayed.


According to Frank, he was targeted by Mignini and was beat up by the police. If you have proof that Frank is lying please post it.

If it turns out that Frank lied then of course people should feel betrayed. I would feel betrayed as well. We have nothing to suggest that Frank lied about his troubles in Perugia. If proof comes to the surface we will certainly address it.

What proof is there against Frank? BS coming from PMF?


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Bruce, on one hand you're admitting he's had problems with his family yet on the other hand saying you believe his story (which doesn't involve his family at all).

So where does his family fit into it? The plausible explaination is it was them who called the police and Frank was not targeted and beat up just out of the blue one morning at 6am. Which means his story is BS.


His family situation was used by the police as a reason to harass Frank. After his arrest, his Family members were encouraged by the authorities to act against Frank but have now testified repeatedly that the accusations suggested by the police are not true. Frank was a target. The family situation gave the police the opportunity to attack the target.

We will have to see how it plays out in court. Its a mess for sure. Frank's life has become an unbelievable soap opera. I don't have all of the answers. No one does.
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Wonder what it will take before Bruce shuts up talking shit; maybe when Sfarzo murders someone?



Not that murder kept him from supporting Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito.



That's true.

Now, this about Sfarzo in his swimming trunks, all day long and as usual dress code around the house which is your guest accommodation: Darn, Sfarzo thought he was on Hawaii during summery days and not in Canada during winter.

I always knew he was completely weird, so nasty.
Basically he is sexual pervert just like those that murdered Meredith, it seems clear.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 3:48 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

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Interesting that Bruce Fischer admits not not have seen any court related documents regarding Sfarzo's pending court case in Perugia, because just a few days ago he wrote on his forum that the case was public record.


Not only that, Fischer told all his followers that he'd seen Mignini's signature on them ordering Frank's arrest. Now he admits to not having ever seen the documents! Bruce just tells his followers whatever barefaced lie sounds good to him at the time!

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 3:51 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

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Wonder what it will take before Bruce shuts up talking shit; maybe when Sfarzo murders someone?



Not that murder kept him from supporting Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito.



That's true.

Now, this about Sfarzo in his swimming trunks, all day long and as usual dress code around the house which is your guest accommodation: Darn, Sfarzo thought he was own Hawai during summery days and not in Canada during winter.

I always knew he was completely weird, so nasty.
Basically he is sexual pervert just like those that murdered Meredith, it seems clear.


Hi, Zorba. One would think that a person so casual in his dress code in a home where he is a guest would not have been so freaked out over the thought of a little outdoor plumbing.
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Bruce, on one hand you're admitting he's had problems with his family yet on the other hand saying you believe his story (which doesn't involve his family at all).

So where does his family fit into it? The plausible explaination is it was them who called the police and Frank was not targeted and beat up just out of the blue one morning at 6am. Which means his story is BS.


Absolutely.

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Okay.

If he made up the story about being targeted by Mignini who sent round the cops at 6am and beat him up for no reason and also that he needed 10,000 euro to keep his apartment (when he didn't) then he's a con-artist and a fraud.

If people here donated money based on lies then they have every right to feel betrayed.


Oh, it's worse, MichaelB. Bruce Fischer knew this all along and as such, has knowingly aided and abetted Frank in defrauding you all. That's because, just like Frank, he thinks that you are all stupid and that you are suckers.

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Tamale, I have a question for you, if you know. If KayPea is such a close friend of the Knox clan, and knows them so intimately, why is she putting up such a fight to defend Frank? If they are trying to distance themselves from the mooch who made a play for their daughter, why isn't KayPea putting distance also?


KayPea is Karen Pruett, (she's a hairdresser and owns/rents a hairdressing shop called 'Karen for Hair') and is a childhood friend of Curt Knox, not of Chris and Edda Mellas. You have to understand that with the FOAKers, even their factions have factions.

And it's clear KayPea has a big crush on Frank and is intensely jealous of Bettina for having had Frank come out and stay with her...and then instead of 'taking it for the team', dared to let people know about Frank's criminality instead of covering it up.

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For the benefit of Bruce Fischer:

Regarding the PMF Project. Actually, we were just about to start the project when news of Sfarzogate suddenly broke. So, currently Bruce, YOU and Frank Sforza and exposing all your lies and criminality is the PMF Project! And what better project for Meredith could there be, then exposing the frauds that have sought to rob her and her family of justice? :)

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 5:08 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Michael wrote:
For the benefit of Bruce Fischer:

Regarding the PMF Project. Actually, we were just about to start the project when news of Sfarzogate suddenly broke. So, currently Bruce, YOU and Frank Sforza and exposing all your lies and criminality is the PMF Project! And what better project for Meredith could there be, then exposing the frauds that have sought to rob her and her family of justice? :)



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 5:35 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

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Tamale, I have a question for you, if you know. If KayPea is such a close friend of the Knox clan, and knows them so intimately, why is she putting up such a fight to defend Frank? If they are trying to distance themselves from the mooch who made a play for their daughter, why isn't KayPea putting distance also?


KayPea is Karen Pruett, (she's a hairdresser and owns/rents a hairdressing shop called 'Karen for Hair') and is a childhood friend of Curt Knox, not of Chris and Edda Mellas. You have to understand that with the FOAKers, even their factions have factions.

And it's clear KayPea has a big crush on Frank and is intensely jealous of Bettina for having had Frank come out and stay with her...and then instead of 'taking it for the team', dared to let people know about Frank's criminality instead of covering it up.


Thanks also for this, Michael. KayPea's attacks on Bettina that have been posted here have been, in my mind, extremely personal. I was blown away to see Bettina's post saying that she didn't know KayPea.

While I am not personally surprised at the their behavior (as a matter of fact, I expected it, and worried that it would stress Bettina even more to post her story), Bettina must have been shell-shocked to reach out to people she thought would understand and support her, only to have some of them kick her in the teeth and abuse her all over again.

There's just too big a paper trail out there. People need to stop listening to Bruce and start talking to each other over there.
And, again, I can't read over there. Is Sarah offering an opinion?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 6:11 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Well said, Michael. Their project was to deny justice to the Kerchers!

I do not deny there are sincere people that believe otherwise regarding the case. But it's the masterminds of PR, not even the foot soldiers like Bruce Fischer, that especially deserve scrutiny.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 6:17 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Napia5 wrote:
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Tamale, I have a question for you, if you know. If KayPea is such a close friend of the Knox clan, and knows them so intimately, why is she putting up such a fight to defend Frank? If they are trying to distance themselves from the mooch who made a play for their daughter, why isn't KayPea putting distance also?


KayPea is Karen Pruett, (she's a hairdresser and owns/rents a hairdressing shop called 'Karen for Hair') and is a childhood friend of Curt Knox, not of Chris and Edda Mellas. You have to understand that with the FOAKers, even their factions have factions.

And it's clear KayPea has a big crush on Frank and is intensely jealous of Bettina for having had Frank come out and stay with her...and then instead of 'taking it for the team', dared to let people know about Frank's criminality instead of covering it up.


Thanks also for this, Michael. KayPea's attacks on Bettina that have been posted here have been, in my mind, extremely personal. I was blown away to see Bettina's post saying that she didn't know KayPea.

While I am not personally surprised at the their behavior (as a matter of fact, I expected it, and worried that it would stress Bettina even more to post her story), Bettina must have been shell-shocked to reach out to people she thought would understand and support her, only to have some of them kick her in the teeth and abuse her all over again.

There's just too big a paper trail out there. People need to stop listening to Bruce and start talking to each other over there.
And, again, I can't read over there. Is Sarah offering an opinion?



Yes, and fancy having as your signature thing bottom of page, the words she uses to try to defame Dr Mignini, I mean how ridiculous, how in the world would someone imagine to gain credibility by writing that, Dr Mignini with 4 daughters, as if he would be into victimising anyone, nonsense, he is trained to go for justice, that is why he does the job he does, and having 4 daughters, he is someone who will and definitely did consider this particular case from both sides, and, he could do nothing else but follow the truth the facts show, that Knox and Sollecito did it.


He would through his own personal life be even more pushed to see the both sides, having 4 daughters he would think, well, I would not want my daughters being falsely accused, and, I also would not want any one of my daughters to be murdered and then for those that did it to get away with it.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 9:17 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Hey Ergon,

I think over here a lot of trees come from Scandinavia, guess if you have those trees in your garden, that'd be the real way to do it, have them there and light them all up.

To be honest, I actually prefer being alone on Christmas, as from what I have experienced, in Britain, etc, Christmas is an entirely commerical thing, and it's not even that people do not believe or think about Jesus, it's that they do not really know anything about different religions and do not have real views on any of it, so I'd rather sit alone and think about Jesus and what his birth, whether or not it was real, means to me, and it does mean something to me, but not what is taught in any Christian church, it may though be understandable from the Gnostic insights and ways/tradition.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 12:34 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

We kind of knew all along the guy was full of crap. It is terrible that some of them were swindled out of there hard earned money tho. His habit of violence against women is disgusting.

It is more than a little ironic that the 'house of cards' the F'ers have built over the years comes crashing down (with all the excuses and deflections) almost exactly as the case against the two lovebirds did after a little scrutiny tied in with their foolish statements.

Bruiser's arguments against the facts is a shadow of the entire groupie debate regarding the two not being completely guily. The facts say one thing... they try to twist it into something else. Pitiful.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 12:51 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Michael wrote:
For the benefit of Bruce Fischer:

Regarding the PMF Project. Actually, we were just about to start the project when news of Sfarzogate suddenly broke. So, currently Bruce, YOU and Frank Sforza and exposing all your lies and criminality is the PMF Project! And what better project for Meredith could there be, then exposing the frauds that have sought to rob her and her family of justice? :)


A forum to discuss the case, detailing the evidence and exposing the emerging lies spread by the family of the defendants and their supporters is a meaningful project in itself.

What has Bruce Fischer ever done to help Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito? Everything he has done was and is geared to line his own pockets by publishing books about the case in search for a new career, asking for donations, referring to himself as an organisation, just to have to admit two years later that he never registered Injustice Anywhere as non-profit organisation. There is cost involved in doing that and with it comes responsibility and accountability. It was so much easier when he could just receive undisclosed amounts of money through his Paypal account. I doubt he ever declared any of that money. Not only wrote Bruce Fischer that Injustice Anywhere will become a non-profit organisation in 2013, he also lied that he was already in process of becoming a non-profit organisation, so according to him steps have already been taken to make Injustice Anywhere a non-profit organisation.

Instead of collecting donations for the Amanda Knox defence fund, Fischer collects money for his buddy Frank Sfarzo and himself, while looking for a new place to stay for Sfarzo to keep his living cost low. Everything is self-serving. Despite Fischer's latest reassurances, Frank Sfarzo's false accusations made against prosecutor Mignini and the Italian authorities are vital for Fischer as his whole conspiracy theory about framing "innocent" Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito is based on that lie.

He is an uneducated bully with exaggerated feelings of self-importance.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 1:34 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

And I'm wondering when we will hear about the railroading from the Former FBI Agent.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 2:57 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Would have been truly ironic if Knox had ended getting abused by her very own so-called helper, Sfarzo, I would find it just about impossible to feel sorry for her, because, all of these twat-heads, like Sfarzo, like Bruce, have been encouraged by Knox, after all, even though her family are liars too, still she is the individual ultimately responsible, she could wave her wand and get such people to shut up or at least distance herself from them, she could have by & through her family doing this, but they chose to encourage anyone at all in order to force their will.

When does Knox's family, ma & pa have to go to court?

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 4:04 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Michael wrote:
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Interesting that Bruce Fischer admits not not have seen any court related documents regarding Sfarzo's pending court case in Perugia, because just a few days ago he wrote on his forum that the case was public record.


Not only that, Fischer told all his followers that he'd seen Mignini's signature on them ordering Frank's arrest. Now he admits to not having ever seen the documents! Bruce just tells his followers whatever barefaced lie sounds good to him at the time!


Bruce Fischer is an idiot and a liar, plain and simple.

He repeated over and over that he knew for a fact that Mignini's signature was on an arrest warrant that had been issued against Frank Sfarzo and that led to his arrest on September 28, 2010. That is false and because it is false, we will never see that arrest warrant with Mignini's signature on it. Fischer is now carefully backtracking saying he never wrote he personally saw the signed warrant, but relied on information he received from someone attending the hearing. So if the information turns out to be false, you guessed it, he will claim to be blameless.

Here are a few comments published on Injustice Anywhere by Fischer, assuring that Mignini was to blame for Sfarzo's arrest over a domestic violence incident.

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These articles detail the reasons why this forum recommended helping Frank Sfarzo when he was having financial trouble. The Committee to Protect Journalists is a very well respected organization and we trust their research.

April 19, 2011: In Italy, journalists threatened for reporting on murders
http://www.cpj.org/2011/04/journalists- ... er-cas.php

May 11, 2011: Italian prosecutor files defamation lawsuit, shutters blog
http://cpj.org/2011/05/italian-prosecut ... shutte.php

CPJ responds to readers' comments on Italy letter
https://cpj.org/blog/2011/04/cpj-respon ... letter.php

Frank's arrest on September 28, 2010 was authorized by Mignini. Frank's story about the police brutality that he endured was backed up by the CPJ. We have no reason to doubt the CPJ and have received no information to dispute their research.

If members of this forum feel they can no longer support Frank due to recent developments that is their individual decision to make. The recent developments I am referring to consist of two disagreements Frank has recently had with people he was staying with while visiting. Both were private matters that resulted in no charges being filed against either party in each case. Both incidents have been widely blown out or proportion online, which may lead some who have supported Frank financially to have concerns. Injustice Anywhere sees no connection between these recent events and Frank's current struggles in Italy. Injustice Anywhere has acquired no information suggesting that we should stop supporting Frank, and until we do, Frank will continue to have our support.


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Randy, you are jumping in here without all of the facts. [...]

The minute I receive any evidence that discredits Frank I will post it on this forum. As of right now, I have no evidence to suggest that Frank is lying. I have the CPJ that currently supports Frank with his struggles in Italy. I have proof that Mignini attacked Frank and took his website offline. I have reports of Mignini's signature on Frank's warrant that began Frank's current case in Italy. These are facts. These are the facts that led us to support Frank. I work with facts here, not BS.

I agree that KayPea's comment was disrespectful. Sometimes discussions get a little too heated. I respect Rose's opinion here and I have done my best to communicate with everyone here regarding this unfortunate situation.


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The issue I see here as relates to Frank is that all of the recent incidents really call into question Frank's credibility as far as his court case with the cops. It does make a person wonder if that was all a lie.....that's my only concern here. I see no reason for e740jph or Bettina to lie about what happened. I don't feel the personal aspect of this should be discussed here, however, I do feel that if Frank's credibility is in jeopardy the people here have a right to know it because THAT ties directly into this case.


I agree that it does cause concern. It is easy to conclude that Frank has a temper. The information we currently have does not suggest that Frank is lying about his case in Perugia. Mignini's signature is on his arrest warrant and the CPJ supports him. We also know that Mignini took Perugia Shock offline. His current case is not related to the Perugia Shock removal but it shows that Frank was on Mignini's radar for sure.

I disagree that Frank's current issues regarding his credibility tie directly to this case. I don't think anything occurring now will have any bearing on the case and I don't think it takes away from the work Frank has done on the case in the past. It certainly has no connection to IIP. If it turns out that Frank lost his temper with the police and initiated the fight it would just confirm once again that Frank has a temper and also that he doesn't care for the police in Perugia.

Do I think anything less of Mario Spezi now that he has a conviction in Italy? No.


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When I talk about discrediting Frank I am talking about his current struggles in Italy that are supported by the CPJ. We know that Mignini had Frank's website taken offline and we know Mignini's name was on Frank's warrant. I have no doubt that the authorities manipulated a family dispute in order to punish Frank for voicing his opinion against them. They saw an opportunity and they took it. Testimony from previous hearings already confirms that the authorities tried to manipulate the situation. Time will tell how it all plays out. I will tell you that I will still support Frank even if convicted because I know the authorities are out to get him in Perugia. Frank's family matters are private and I don't want to elaborate further even though the court hearings are public record. I will say that we stand with the CPJ in support of Frank. These are the reasons that our organization has supported Frank from the beginning.

With regard to Frank's recent troubles while traveling, everyone has heard the stories and can draw their own conclusions.

I did say that Peter may have had a bit too much to drink in a past post. You suggested I said he was a drunk. that is certainly not what I said but I should have said that both parties may have had a bit too much to drink so I apologize for that. it is pure speculation on my part that alcohol had an influence. I have been talking regularly to Peter and I think he and I have an understanding that I have conflicting stories from two people and I am choosing to not take sides.

I am afraid I can no longer say that about Bettina. She seems to be seated squarely in PMF.net's corner now. I cannot respect that decision because I know she is well aware of everything that group has done over the years. She is free to do as she chooses of course but I cannot respect her for it.



Bruce Fischer deliberately mixes up two different charges involving Frank Sfarzo. One relates to the libel stemming from statements he made about Mignini on his Perugia Shock blog, which is the reason why it ultimately went offline, and the other incident relates to resisting his arrest when the police was called by his mother.

And here you see Bruce Fischer doing it again: Feeding the hopes of his readership with claims that there is proof - testimony from previous hearings - that will confirm his theory eventually that the Italian authorities are manipulating a family dispute for their own advantage. Same as Mignini's signature under the dreamed up arrest warrant, this "evidence" will never see the light of day, because it doesn't exist.

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I have no doubt that the authorities manipulated a family dispute in order to punish Frank for voicing his opinion against them. They saw an opportunity and they took it. Testimony from previous hearings already confirms that the authorities tried to manipulate the situation.

[...]


It needs to be pointed out that Bruce Fischer doesn't deny anymore that the domestic dispute involving Frank Sfarzo took place and that he was arrested because of it. That directly contradicts Frank Sfarzo's story he told the CPJ that he was assaulted at home by five police officers who knocked at his door out of the blue.

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The harassment reached its peak on September 28, 2010, when five officers of Squadra Mobile forcibly entered Sfarzo's apartment. They did not produce a warrant or show their badges, Sfarzo told CPJ. Four of the five shoved Sfarzo to the ground, struck him, handcuffed him, and climbed on top of him, crushing his air supply, he told CPJ. They stopped when a neighbor, disturbed by the commotion, showed up, Sfarzo said.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 6:28 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Bruce Fischer just published a major rant in response to my post published today at 12:51 am. His writing is so childish that I will refrain to write a lengthy response, instead I will just quickly point out the following:

Bruce Fischer insists that Injustice Anywhere is not two years old, but my point was about accepting donations while referring to himself as an organisation. He did that with Injustice in Perugia as well as with Injustice Anywhere. He accepted donations on Injustice in Perugia time before he created Injustice Anywhere. On Injustice in Perugia he accepts donations using Google Wallet and on Injustice Anywhere he accepts donations using Paypal. These are the facts that can be checked by every visitor of his page.

Furthermore, I didn't say Bruce Fischer ever collected donations for Amanda Knox's defence fund, to the contrary, I wondered why he only collected money for himself and championed the non-existent cause of his penniless pal Frank Sfarzo.

More interesting though than Fischer's boring redundant nonsense is the deafening silence about Sfarzo's arrest in Perugia and the missing warrant signed by Mignini. It's a myth. See my post above.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 10:31 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Merry Christmas all (sorry I'm a little late). A big happy birthday to Meredith too as 2013 will be the year that the justice wheels creak back in her direction, especially now that the Kerchers have their own fighting fund to see this out.

The Sforza/Sforcagate situation continues I see. I read here then had a look at I-A. Slow hand clap for Brucie for making himself look like a total credibility free zone with a 'delete-post' trigger finger that we haven't seen since the heady days at Candice's blog. Frank keeps changing his story - who else do we know who does that...?

The best thing about Bruce is that he has been totally hoisted by his own petard. I don't see groundbreaking new information in any of Nell's posts, the most damning posts are where she posts Bruce's own words, now deleted. I'm confused by his identification of his own site - Injustice Anywhere IS Injustice in Perugia, to suggest that the two are separate is disingenuous.

Also, just because you don't accept donations through your site, if you are encouraging your membership to donate directly then, as the owner of the site, you ARE endorsing the fundraising for Frank and Amanda. Just as I encourage people here to donate to Meredith's fund. I don't give people the means to donate but should Steph K ever turn into a physical beater of her elderly and vulnerable supporters, I'd feel like I owed people a big apology for encouraging them to support her. If Bettina is what she says and I have to reason to doubt what she says (mainly as everything she has said has been backed by the local cops it seems, unlike Frankie boy) then she has heard with her own ears that Frank is a con man from Chris Mellas. Chris has nothing to win or lose now by cutting Frank adrift so I believe he was finally honest when Bettina called. Why is it so hard now for Bruce to let go? How much does Bruce have invested?

Ultimately, Bruce, you've been conned. The bigger man admits it and gets respect for that. A fool continues to be conned so he doesn't lose face. We all now know what you are thanks to Nell capturing your conversation with one of your board members. *Applause* Well done Nell :)
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 11:23 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Also, does anyone have the original Perugia Shock web address? I need to see the first couple of posts so I was planning to use the Wayback Machine but I can't find any old links. Cheers
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perugia-shock.blogspot.com
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Meredith's b-day today. My thoughts are with her, her family and friends. Not much case news from Italy at the moment. I am trying to keep up with the political changes, but it is hard to see where that is going exactly. I hope they will be too busy to even think about interfering with the SC in March. As a reminder how they tried (and maybe succeeded?) before:

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On 26 May 2011, 11 members of the Italian parliament, led by Rocco Girlanda and all members of The People of Freedom Party founded by Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, issued a document as an act of parliament addressed to Justice Minister Angelino Alfano. The document criticized the evidence that resulted in the Knox/Sollecito guilty verdicts, and the extended detention to which they were subject. Girlanda also addressed a letter to President Giorgio Napolitano, in Girlanda's capacity as president of the Italy–USA Foundation, in which he wrote, "These distortions, not without reason, are fuelling accusations against the administration of justice in our country."

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max wrote:
perugia-shock.blogspot.com


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 3:13 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Happy Birthday, Meredith. May this upcoming year be when you and your family, finally receive justice.
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What I think, is that Sfarzo is in prison, after all, in which country, can you fail to attend court, then just tell them, oh sorry, I was away, it doesn't work like that, if you are absent you will be hauled in as soon as they find you, he would have been on a list at all border posts, it is then highly likely that he was hauled in on arrival in Italy.

Sfarzo: Oh hello there airoporto official, yes, do tell the courts I'll be along some time soon, was off jet setting and bashing women around, with the aid of my friend Bruce, in the Americas, wot wot, many of whom I did most solemnly turn on and assault, basically whoever I pleased for I am infallible, this notwithstanding, and pursuant to Clause 33. Subsection 2. Paragraph 1.1, Special Conditions for Bloggers, I do hereby declare that being away on business, I was unable to attend the court, for any other questions please contact my secretary and lover, Mr Bruce president of the United States, a very good and upstanding citizen, who wouldn't think of robbing people, no, he and I equally, have been put forward to be made Saints.

Airport Man in Uniform: Well, that's all very nice Mr Sfarzo but I'm afraid you have broken the law and I must have you taken into custody

Sfarzo: Who are you? A nobody that's who. You have conspired to touch me up saying you are doing your job, I will sue you, how much are you worth? I think you will be my pension.

Police arrive accompanied by special airport army security

Police: Who?

Airport Man: Blogger, threatened to kill me

Sfarzo: I not to say this, I say I sue you and all your children and grandchildren will receive nothing, for you will be my pension.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 7:36 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Happy Birthday Meredith.
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More interesting though than Fischer's boring redundant nonsense is the deafening silence about Sfarzo's arrest in Perugia and the missing warrant signed by Mignini. It's a myth. See my post above.


This makes four times police have been called during a domestic disturbance involving Frank Sfarzo that we know of, each time he had to be forcibly removed from the property, three times resulting in arrest.

Here is Fischer going about his due diligence on this matter. The major reason any 'organization' he creates will fail is due to his lack of integrity. He is still encouraging financial support for Frank, unbelievable!

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 10:57 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Thanks to Skeptical Bystander from .org for posting the police report relating to Frank Sfarzo's arrest in Seattle.

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From the redacted police report on the Seattle incident that led to the arrest and booking in King County jail of Frank Sfarzo/Sforza. I have removed the names of the two victims, as the matter is pending. I will call them Victim I and Victim II:


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V I said that he was sitting on the couch talking to the District Attorney's Office when S/Sforza became agitated and slapped the phone out of his hand. S/Sforza then jumped on top of him and punched him in the face approximately four times. V I was able to push S/Sforza off of him and stand up but S/Sforza pushed him back on the couch causing pain to his right shoulder. S/Sforza then jumped on top of V II and began slapping in the face and scratched him on the temple. While V II struggled to get away he scraped his left knuckle but was able to get to his room. While in his room he grabbed his phone to call 9-1-1. As he was walking out of his room S/Sforza tried to push him back in the room and grabbed him by the throat using both of his hands. S/Sforza then left the house and 9-1-1 was called. V II had a visible red scrape to his right temple, a visible scrape to his left knuckle and redness around his neck. Both victims declined medical attention at the scene.


Meanwhile, Sforza had left and called 911, telling police he would meet them elsewhere:

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...S/Sforza at 36th Ave W and W Mcgraw where he said he would be waiting. S/Sforza said that both V I and V II had been giving him a hard time since he returned from his trip. He said they told him that he wasn't able to leave his room. He stated that V II had tried to force him to leave the house and choked him. S/Sforza did not have any visible signs of assault and did not have any redness around his neck. S/Sforza said the police were called to the house yesterday for a disturbance. A report was written on that incident (12-403658).



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S/Sforza was placed under arrest and transported to the West Precinct... Persons took pictures of the injuries to V II and sent them for processing to the SPD Photo Lab via the Digital Evidence Management System (DEMS). 2 Domestic violence Supplemental forms were completed by Officer... S/Sforza has a passport from Italy and requested Consular notification.


As the report notes, both of the housemates had visible signs of assault. Frank did not. The report contains photos that have been redacted pursuant to applicable laws.




I will also bring this comment over as it contains important information regarding the domestic violence report and Frank's prior arrests.

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One of the things I noticed reading the report is that on the Supplemental DV Report, which is a pre-printed document that is filled in, there is a box for prior DV arrests (with a city and state option). Frank Sforza/Sfarzo has indicated no prior arrests, which is, of course, false.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 11:13 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Here is a statement from tamale/Bettina posted on .org that goes into more detail why she first didn't consider to press charges against Frank Sfarzo. She responds to a question posted by Skeptical Bystander:

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And now I have a question for Bettina: Bettina, why did you decide not to press charges against Frank Sfarzo/Sforza? This is not a hostile question. I am just trying to find out why. It looks to me as if Frank has a problem that follows him wherever he goes.

I was assured Frank would leave the Island. If you look on the complaint...it seems to be The State of Hawaii vs Frank. They were the ones pressing charges. The victim is not required to be in court. At the time of this incident, I was not aware of all the other problems or I would have attended to show the judge my bruises and threatening texts. When Frank did not leave as promised, I started to take steps towards further prosecution...and then he left real fast. Had I known he scared Peter I would have pressed harder. Funny, when Frank told me Peter (the monster) called the police and had him removed...he left out the part about being sexually molested.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 11:27 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

louiehaha wrote:
Nell wrote:
More interesting though than Fischer's boring redundant nonsense is the deafening silence about Sfarzo's arrest in Perugia and the missing warrant signed by Mignini. It's a myth. See my post above.


This makes four times police have been called during a domestic disturbance involving Frank Sfarzo that we know of, each time he had to be forcibly removed from the property, three times resulting in arrest.

Here is Fischer going about his due diligence on this matter. The major reason any 'organization' he creates will fail is due to his lack of integrity. He is still encouraging financial support for Frank, unbelievable!



Absolutely!

It is disconcerting to see Bruce Fischer, leader of the pseudo non-profit organisation Injustice Anywhere, taunting John Kercher publicly on his forum a day after his daughter would have turned 27 had she lived.

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On another note, I was driving today and out of nowhere my windshield was covered with white feathers. For a moment I thought there must be some truth in PMF's constant symbolism as they pretend to care about Meredith. As it turns out, the guy in front of me ran over the Aflac duck! Aflac!!



Disclaimer: A)This post in no way disrespects the memory of Meredith Kercher but does highlight the despicable action of exploiting a method Meredith's father uses to cope with his tragic loss, all in order to push an agenda of hate. B) No ducks were harmed in any way while writing this post.


Source to the original post
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 12:32 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

A lame duck " The expression originated in the 1700's to refer to a broker who was delinquent in their debts. In the late 1860's it began to be used as a term to describe weak and ineffective politicians." Got that BF
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:10 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Why is it necessary to mock the small measure of comfort that John Kercher gains from his feather story, Bruce?
It has nothing whatsoever to do with Knox, or anyone's guilt or innocence. Why must you be such a pig?
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:06 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Napia5 wrote:
Why is it necessary to mock the small measure of comfort that John Kercher gains from his feather story, Bruce?
It has nothing whatsoever to do with Knox, or anyone's guilt or innocence. Why must you be such a pig?


Even some of his most staunch supporters have seen him for what he really is: a cheat. He is lashing out in an attempt to lead the discussion away from the many elephants in the room: Bruce Fischer lied about the arrest warrant allegedly signed by prosecutor Giuiliano Mignini and about Frank Sfarzo's various arrests in the U.S., Canada and most importantly Italy.

Bruce Fischer back stabbed tamale/Bettina and Peter H openly on his forum, after they both had helped Frank Sfarzo with considerable amounts of money. Not only did he not offer any support to these members of his forum, he ridiculed them and sided with Frank Sfarzo, whose story has already been proven to be false in light of his contradicting statements.

I couldn't think of someone less suitable to lead an organisation dedicated to people who are in need of support than Bruce Fischer.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:30 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

It's much worse than I actually imagined, as now I see that this is properly violent.
I'm just wondering whether the latest victims were female

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:51 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

zorba wrote:
It's much worse than I actually imagined, as now I see that this is properly violent.
I'm just wondering whether the latest victims were female

????


Hi Zorba,

According to one of the comments written by Skeptical Bystander on .org, Frank Sfarzo's latest victims were in their late 50's.

She also wrote that the victims had visible signs of assault like scratches and redness. The police noted that and added photos of the injuries from both victims to the file.

Her original post can be found here.

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The real question is what Frank was doing with these people in the first place. The house is large and rented out to multiple tenants. Indeed, the address in question is looking for someone new to take a room in January for 600 dollars/month. UW students welcome. The two alleged "victims"' of Frank's latest alleged "assault" are in their late 50's. One of them is trained as a lawyer. The other victim, who is not a lawyer, was on the phone with the DA. He has quite a long history of incidents involving the justice system, so maybe it had to do with his own rather dodgy situation.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 3:24 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Wow Nell, thanks for info.

He sure is a bully, now people of that age, I hope he winds up in an American jail because then he will be confronted with people far heavier than he is, in every way, he's into bullying women and old folks, he really makes me sick, everything about him, and it's been this way since 2007 but now, I mean, it's awful what he has been doing but it is in fact what the Knox family deserves, there they are still involved, forever involved in murder, and what have they managed to do? Get a person who also beats up and violates people, I'm thinking it's kind of typical, and fitting for them.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 8:49 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

These details have been posted by stilicho on .org.

Apparently, Frank Sfarzo has already given more than one birth date to authorities and a new name has come up as well. Such a colourful character.

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I don't think it's necessary to post that since the court documents will suffice. I suppose we could post the document numbers and allow anyone with the time and inclination to follow up with the Seattle Police Department. But that's practically gilding gold or painting the lily.

The challenge now is to Bruce™. Why has he claimed that the charges and the documents do not exist if, mere hours earlier, he claimed that the assault charges were common knowledge?

For the IIP, JREF, and FOA people looking for the original documents, the reference numbers are as follows:

SEATTLE POLICE DEPARTMENT
GENERAL OCCURRENCE HARDCOPY
PUBLIC DISCLOSURE RELEASE COPY
GO# 2012-405175 ARREST - MISDEMEANOR
BY PATROL
1313-1 ASSLT-NONAGG-DV

Operational status: ARREST - MISDEMEANOR BY PATROL
Reported on: Nov-27-2012 (Tue.) 932
Occurred on: Nov-27-2012 (Tue.) 932

Related Event(s)
AB 2012-214679001
CP 2012-405175
GO 2012-403658

3. ARRESTED # 1 - SFORCA, FRANCESCO
Race: WHITE
Date of birth: Jan-09-1955
Alias(es)/AKA
SCORCA, FRANCESCO M Jul-04-1963

That's really all you need to follow up with the Seattle Police Department on your own. Interesting that Frank™ has a few different IDs and birthdates. Sort of like a Dominican relief pitcher but more belligerent.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:31 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

I find this name-fiddling chilling, Nell. One letter or two, and the paper trail is lost on a dangerous repeat offender.
I believe this paper trail, showing the different names and dates is a story in and of itself. "How to Lose a Terrorist in the System". The fact that it is Frank doing this is interesting to us in connection to seeking justice for Meredith, but, beyond this fact, Frank is moving at will through the system, staying under the radar with a letter or a number change.
This is a story with great value, regardless the connection to Meredith.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:36 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

It's important that those who need to know, know about Sfarzo, so the authorities in Italy, after all, he has been saying lots of demeaning things of people in important roles, such as DR Mignini, however, when examined, it was not only the prosecutor he said so many untrue things about, he tried to discredit everyone involved in seeking justice for Meredith, so what he has been saying, peripherally, in relation to Meredith's murder case, has been damaging to the case. It needs to be shown how he has said all of these things about Italian authorities and also citizens whilst being a criminal himself.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:05 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Kermit has written an excellent piece about Sfarzogate. It will be posted on TJMK later today.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:55 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

zorba wrote:
It's important that those who need to know, know about Sfarzo, so the authorities in Italy, after all, he has been saying lots of demeaning things of people in important roles, such as DR Mignini, however, when examined, it was not only the prosecutor he said so many untrue things about, he tried to discredit everyone involved in seeking justice for Meredith, so what he has been saying, peripherally, in relation to Meredith's murder case, has been damaging to the case. It needs to be shown how he has said all of these things about Italian authorities and also citizens whilst being a criminal himself.


I agree, Zorba. For those of us who came late to the case, it is difficult to understand completely the extent of Frank's influence on all of these issues. What I did read of Frank's was after the fact stuff, and it struck me as weak and a bit hysterical, but I had the benefit of knowing that his credibility had already been crushed.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 8:04 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Napia5 wrote:
zorba wrote:
It's important that those who need to know, know about Sfarzo, so the authorities in Italy, after all, he has been saying lots of demeaning things of people in important roles, such as DR Mignini, however, when examined, it was not only the prosecutor he said so many untrue things about, he tried to discredit everyone involved in seeking justice for Meredith, so what he has been saying, peripherally, in relation to Meredith's murder case, has been damaging to the case. It needs to be shown how he has said all of these things about Italian authorities and also citizens whilst being a criminal himself.


I agree, Zorba. For those of us who came late to the case, it is difficult to understand completely the extent of Frank's influence on all of these issues. What I did read of Frank's was after the fact stuff, and it struck me as weak and a bit hysterical, but I had the benefit of knowing that his credibility had already been crushed.



Hi Nap,

I'll outline it for you, as I am in a decent position to be able to do that, Michael knows the same angles, as he too started writing his opinions about it all early on, within days of Meredith's murder, and that's why, when there happened to be a couple of sites that at first seemed like you'd be able to discuss it fairly, I and Michael and others started using those sites. One was Dempsey's. She soon proved to be a total nit-wit, in the things she expected people to believe, she simply banned you if what you said did not match what she said and wanted to do to shape the case not according to reality but to her own designs, ones based on writing a book, which she did and she used Meredith's murder on purpose to do that because she needed a subject and did not have one until Meredith was murdered, it was one of the worst cases of human leaches... sucking, she is as big a leach as Frank and sucks just as bad, as so she started flirting openly on her blog with him, as he was saying the same shit that she was.

None of us lasted long there, either through becoming disgusted at what she was up to, and leaving, or else getting banned, as I did, as Michael was.

Then, Frank's site appeared to exist, someone must have provided a link to it, and as it wasn't clear what he stood for exactly but many were naive enough to think everyone would think and feel as they did, meaning, in this case, sympathetic towards Meredith's plight, trusted people like Frank thinking he'd want the truth too. None of us had any idea what can happen, in cases like this.
So Skeptical Bystander had been offering to help Frank, with his writing, as she thought he was an honest person, she did not tell anyone that she was helping him, that became apparent when he credited her, or rather, simply placed her name, each time, thanking her for her help.

This, when becoming known, led some to mistrust her, as they wondered why the hell she'd had been helping him, and this is because some people, like me, never trusted him at all, ever, from very early on, and in my case this was as soon as I saw he had put a poll up (early on) asking readers if they thought Meredith was a nice person.

From that momentonwards I hated his guts abnd actually already knew he was no good anyhow.
But before people thoroughly and properly abandoned him, it took a long time, much like Bard being all nice to Danny and telling others to be polite, when they all sensed he was a fake and no good.

So that's how these things go on, they go on sometimes as some people are so kind they dare not even think of someone as being bad, until it is proven a thousand times and they may not even really get it, what it means, even then, and still immediately embrace someone else who is up to no good.
This site has been like a place for students to practice, as interns, work practice , as there were so many of these horrors that came here. Only they ran out of ideas with which to fake things.'

One phenomenon, was how people enjoyed and some still do, debating with people such as Frank, when obviously that is a waste of time and such people should not be encouraged in any way, shape or form.

People, some, were far too kind to Frank, even though they knew he was up to no good and saw that he was writing all of these heavy, warped things, they still liked arguing with him, perhaps thinking they could appeal to the better in him, but they never did, as he had no intention, ever, of being straight, with anyone.

Just look at the aggression chiselled into his face, awful.

So, when Knox's lot saw this all happening, they encouraged him, and favoured every word he uttered as though it were the word of God, they made him their king, and he gladly took the role, saying exactly what he knew they wanted to hear.

Someone or more than one, encouraged him with money and promises of it.
You could tell when he was broke and when he was using his bad situation, financially, to show Knox's people, that he was not indispensable, and so I'm certain they had to keep him happy.

To those people, it was like a game, as just like they never ever really cared about Sollecito, they likewise cared about nobody else at all either, including Sfarzo, but to him, it was (and is) no game, this was his job, he made it like that, and he appointed them as his employers. They needed someone who might seem credible because of being Italian, to discredit all things Italian except ice cream, coffee and pizza, Sfarzo did that for them, however, he was already doing this before any encouragement from them, as it is clear, certainly now, that he is one bitter individual, and plainly nasty, and I think, definitely dangerous.

If you are gonna bully your own mother, sisters, hit old people and women, well, I can only think if he'd been there with Knox and Sollecito he'd have gladly taken part in the murdering of Meredith.


If I'm not wrong, this person Bruce did not show up until about at least a year into the case, that does not have to mean anything, but the way he started on right away, from the bits I saw, he too was plainly up to no good and that is why I have never ever bothered following any links to him, or any others like him.

Therefore Nap, you did not really miss anything, what you've seen from Frank, was all he ever did, what he mainly did was take things about the case, and twist the facts, somehow he was getting info sooner than it was printed elsewhere, which means from the KNox and or Sollecito families or their lawyers.

It was really really horrible to see what he was doing and to hear the snide way he spoke about people, that's what I meant, like about Patrick, but he did it to anyone, yet the only reason his site got traffic, was courtesy of the fact that he happened to have had a site at the time Meredith was murdered, if it had not been him it would have been somewhere else.

And was.

One was the Halo site, can't remember the name, the guy who had that was decent, it got too much for him, he is someone that writes about all kinds of crimes so this was simply yet another case, nevertheless, a sad coincidence was, he happened to like Doug Preston, the last-named was his favourite crime fiction writer, so, when I read that, even though I thought Steve (Halo) was a decent guy, I could not really like him anymore, because I could not imagine how he could like Doug Preston, in fact, he too might not have liked what he saw happening, as he only liked his books, which of course is possible for people to do, like some books by someone.
Maybe he ignored the rest later and continued to read Preston's books, but anyhow, he wanted out and that is how this site and the other came to be, out of that need for a continuing platform, as that site was busy, again not because of who he was, but simply because it was a platform upon which to discuss things.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 8:12 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Kermit's piece about Frank Sfarzo has been posted on TJMK:

http://truejustice.org/ee/index.php
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 9:12 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Thanks, Zorba. I see exactly what you mean here. Frank's name is always attached to the anti-Mignini smear campaign, and I assumed that Frank had much to do with this type information appearing in print. This rumor against Mignini's reputation has now developed a life of its own. You can't read an opinion piece without bumping into it.

Preston also casts quite a shadow in the Mignini saga, however, after reading the delightful piece posted by Ergon about the real author behind the story, after reading her life, her musings, her delightful adventures, I can't help but see who the real author was. And the opportunists following behind, lazily looking to build careers on sensationalistic junk.

I am curious, after all that has been discovered and presented over this last month, why Sollecito is still maintaining such visible contact with Frank. Chummy New Year's Eve get-togethers. Where's that going? He's playing with fire. And he can't help but get burned.

ETA: Magdelan Nabb is the author's name. My apologies for not adding this to my original post.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 10:10 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Everyone here can make a difference. Please send tweets or e-mails to all the journalists and media figures who have publicly supported and promoted Frank Sforza. It literally takes a few seconds to send a tweet.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 10:14 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

The Machine wrote:
Kermit's piece about Frank Sfarzo has been posted on TJMK:

http://truejustice.org/ee/index.php



Hi Machine and thanks for letting us know. I will just post the link to the article directly, as yours goes to the front page and later, when other articles will have been written, it might be tedious to find the one about Sfarzo.

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The people who are covering for Frank are doing him no favors. Along with being a jerk, he is ill. I know of 7 men and women who have been terrorized by Frank. I know a few more who are afraid of him for other reasons of their own. That is a pattern...and patterns of abuse escalate.

So, all of the people who are abusing the victims are part of the problem, suggesting tacit approval of his antisocial behavior, Take note...
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 12:54 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

tamale wrote:
The people who are covering for Frank are doing him no favors. Along with being a jerk, he is ill. I know of 7 men and women who have been terrorized by Frank. I know a few more who are afraid of him for other reasons of their own. That is a pattern...and patterns of abuse escalate.

So, all of the people who are abusing the victims are part of the problem, suggesting tacit approval of his antisocial behavior, Take note...



I absolutely agree with you.

Bruce Fischer is not only covering for Francesco Sforza aka Frank Sfarzo aka Frank Sforca aka Frank Scorca by hiding information, he took it up a notch when he attacked the victims of Frank's abuse openly on his forum.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 2:09 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Frank's trip began on July 24. That's 4 months. I find it quite curious that we are not reading all of the glowing testimonials about Frank's sparkling personality, his pleasurable companionship at dinners etc. Where are all of the people he spent time with? I'm sure Bruce wasn't in his company for the 4 months, so, where are all of Frank's defenders? There are plenty of victim attackers, but where are the "happy Frank" testimonials?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 2:48 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Excellent post by Kermit on TJMK, recapping everything that has been written so far about Frank Sfarzo here, and on .ORG and TJMK. Do check it out, and once again, many thanks to Bettina for speaking up. We all owe her a debt of gratitude.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 3:35 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

I am sending love to John Kercher (and by extension, his family) in light of the recent cruel post by a shallow heartless coward.

Love will always overpower hate. Your friend, Bettina
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 5:02 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Just a heads up to say that Frank Sfarzo may be heading on his way back to Seattle right now. So, he might well be in court Monday?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 8:03 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Seeing how bad Sfarzo really is, makes me think, why didn't I realise this earlier, I'd always been thinking he is one twisted, nasty person but I mean if someone is as aggressive as he always was in attitude, what with the horribly out of place stuff he said, how far was it from being so nasty in word to being the same in deed, and then physically aggressive?

Not far, I see that now, it all fits now too, the extent to which his depravity goes.

This online taunting, by showing that he is speaking to Sollecito, and inviting him to all sorts of things, as though he himself were some old timer in America, with his bullshit, New Yorkize Seattle, who the f does he imagine himself to be?

So very irritating, but what he is dong there, is again trying to manipulate things, so he can get a foot in the door, yes let's have a party, your writer Sollecito, he can come too, then maybe he might think he wants to get me involved in a book.

Sfarzo is or has been really rubbing it in.

But if he has to or has decided to return to America, I cannot see where he is going to keep finding money for these things, it's not like even the worst of the tabloids are going to be wanting to let any old people bashers and known women abusers write any more meaningless bits.

So, I cannot actually see him on his way to America, he'll need money for it, and the only reason I can imagine he would go, would be because he still has intentions of getting rich in America, he already envisages himself in his film star-like Beverly Hills mansion, sat poolside with cocktails brought to him by one of his maids, I mean the guy has been watching way too many soaps.
The only reason he would go back to the USA, considering the risk he now runs of getting some time in prison, would be to try to win the cases ag4ainst him, and safeguard his position, the one where he gets to be able to travel to America; should he not show up for court, then whatever punishment that brings, it certainly means he will never be allowed to get any kind of status in America, like be able to stay there or even visit anymore.

As he has no visible real skills or qualifications, and coupled with a lazy, bad attitude, he seems to be pretty much washed up in his own Italy, his options are drying up or are dry as stone already, the only way he thinks he can get money, is by doing the things he has been doing, any self-respecting person would never do any of the things he has been doing, same goes for the things the Bruce person has been doing, I mean who does that stuff? Who the hell does he think he is? ... to try to ruin a family's chance of getting justice for their murdered daughter.

I piss on the pair of them, Bruce and Sfarzo, and, as it goes, on all the rest of them too, they aren't worth the blood that runs in their veins, for and because of the wickedness and sheer cold-mindedness and lack of courage or sympathy shown by them.

I agree with what Machine said, yes, it is good if people take initiative, write to the police and inform them, just to make sure, of Sfarzo's dealings, his Canadian disaster and case, because it relates and those who are now dealing with him, need to know just how dangerous he may turn out to be, they also need to know in Seattle about Canada and Hawaii, and they need to know why it is he is in America, and who Bruce is and what he has been up to, because there may be charges that need to be brought against this person Bruce. I hope so. His actions are as slimy (obsequious, creepy, unctuous, smarmy, oily, grovelling, soapy, sycophantic, servile, toadying his slimy business partner) as his appearance.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 10:20 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Sarah from Injustice Anywhere has this to say about the current situation involving Frank Sfarzo and the donation scam:

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I support Frank. It took a man with balls not cave to the pressure he was under. Having cops beat him up, having his blog shot down by a powerful prosecutor. I think most would give up and decide it wasn't worth it.

It turns out Frank is a flawed person, wow! He has something against cops, he doesn't back down and gets right in their faces! wowsa, who wudda thunk! :tongue: It's become apparent that he's argumentative, is hard to live with and gets in fights easily. Not too cool Frank. :sadno: He's also got a bad rep as a mooch! and making selfish capitalizing monetary moves. :::eek:::

I have great respect for Frank the brilliant, ironic, philosophical writer. The man with guts who pushes on in the face of danger because he won't be told what to think or do. I support his blog and his pursuit to bring attention to problems in the Italian justice system.

I personally like the Frank that I know quite a lot, but haven't spent any time with him in person. I was very sorry to hear about Frank and Peter's fight. I had thought at the time that it would be a great situation for both of them. Peter would have an interesting companion and Frank would have a place to get away from all the stress he was in in Perugia. I'm sorry things didn't work out and their friendship was lost. I wish there was a way to fix that.

As far as donating funds to Frank and his blog, that is up to individuals to decide for themselves. IIP has posted about Frank needing donations in the past. He wrote about the case for years with little money coming in and needed the support to continue. I think it was very generous of so many to help finance Frank's blog and living expenses during that time. I fear that Frank could be in danger in Perugia and hope he hasn't used up all of peoples reservoir of good will towards him.


If it wasn't for the first sentence, I would have never guessed her post was meant to be in support of Frank Sfarzo.

It is also noteworthy that they never get tired of finding new excuses for his violent behaviour, including blaming the victim/s. In that they have already years of practice writing the most abhorrent things about Meredith, her friends, roommates and her family.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 11:17 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Yeah Sarah....... in order to continue!!!!

Give us a break,
will ya,

all you do,
is switch on your computer,
in your home,
if you have one,
and write what is in your mind!

You are bullshitting,
because mixing up sentiments about police,
is, and has, everything to do with your own sad reality,
this has nothing to do with heroism,
as it is not about America,
it is about things that happened in Italy,
and Frank Sfarzo is anything but a heroic figure,
he is an old-people-abuser, and a woman-basher!!!!!

That is all.

If you believe in a world without any police, well, that's your thing, but it is not realistic is it, (???)

So to hate all police, like you say you do, as if they are ALL bad, is ridiculous., let's see you when some guy stabs your son, daughter, father, mother, sister, brother, cousin to death.. id.. i...ot!!!!

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 11:38 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

If Frank is in such danger in Perugia, why doesn't he just move? We're not talking about a ham radio operator, hidden behind a wall of communism in 1950's Poland, for God's sake. What story is it that requires Frank to remain on the mean streets of Perugia 24/7? He posts on his blog about once every two weeks, and I don't see any information that can't be phoned in from somewhere else.
He was quite comfortable to take a 4 month leave earlier this year. Oh, that's right. He must be in danger in order to receive funds from the faithful. What I'm wondering is, where are all the Dempseys and Shays etc, at this point? Why aren't they doing articles for their newspapers, discussing the danger Frank is facing, and try to drum up financial support for him worldwide?
PATHETIC.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:04 pm   Post subject: A TRUFFLE BLOGGER WITH AN ARREST RECORD FOR DOMESTIC VIOLENC   

Ergon wrote:
Excellent post by Kermit on TJMK, recapping everything that has been written so far about Frank Sfarzo here, and on .ORG and TJMK. Do check it out, and once again, many thanks to Bettina for speaking up. We all owe her a debt of gratitude.

Thanks Ergon and the others for your feedback. As you indicate, the TJMK post is simply a summary of where things stand with the pro-Knox blogger known as "Frank", i.e. it includes no breaking news. It's useful, in any case, to have this fast summary, especially for readers who aren't following the discussion boards, and even for us, just to underline in one post the contradictions and hypocracy of the pro-Knox camp in continuing to promote donations to this drifter who has a record of arrests for violence (violence against law enforcement officers and domestic violence) in different countries. I wouldn't be overly worried about him from the perspective of our interests in following the case of Meredith's murder, if it weren't for the fact that this drifter with his violence arrests wasn't a key poster-boy in the defamatory attacks on Prosecutor Mignini, and that public persons in the US with pecuniary interests have used "Frank" (and let themselves be used by him) in order to further their own "winnings" that they get off of Meredith's murder.

It's really disgusting.

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BTW Ergon, I haven't forgotten that I promised that one of the next chapters of the Preston-Spezi Powerpoint Saga will be dedicated to Magdalen Nabb, whose own hard research has been unrecognised as such by those two writers in their own MoF book; to unsuspecting or uninformed MoF readers (i.e. almost all of them, ... or "us", the first time around at least), these MoF theories may appear to be original research by Preston or Spezi. Give me some time, and the next chapters will be produced!
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:35 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Just stopping by to wish everyone a Happy and Healthy New Year!! :)
With justice for Meredith, I hope. r-((

PS: Sfarzogate seems to be getting weirder and weirder. Why people like him attract relatively many others is beyond me, but I'm sure there is a reason for that.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 3:06 pm   Post subject: Re: A TRUFFLE BLOGGER WITH AN ARREST RECORD FOR DOMESTIC VIOLENC   

Kermit wrote:
Ergon wrote:
Excellent post by Kermit on TJMK, recapping everything that has been written so far about Frank Sfarzo here, and on .ORG and TJMK. Do check it out, and once again, many thanks to Bettina for speaking up. We all owe her a debt of gratitude.

Thanks Ergon and the others for your feedback. As you indicate, the TJMK post is simply a summary of where things stand with the pro-Knox blogger known as "Frank", i.e. it includes no breaking news. It's useful, in any case, to have this fast summary, especially for readers who aren't following the discussion boards, and even for us, just to underline in one post the contradictions and hypocracy of the pro-Knox camp in continuing to promote donations to this drifter who has a record of arrests for violence (violence against law enforcement officers and domestic violence) in different countries. I wouldn't be overly worried about him from the perspective of our interests in following the case of Meredith's murder, if it weren't for the fact that this drifter with his violence arrests wasn't a key poster-boy in the defamatory attacks on Prosecutor Mignini, and that public persons in the US with pecuniary interests have used "Frank" (and let themselves be used by him) in order to further their own "winnings" that they get off of Meredith's murder.

It's really disgusting.

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BTW Ergon, I haven't forgotten that I promised that one of the next chapters of the Preston-Spezi Powerpoint Saga will be dedicated to Magdalen Nabb, whose own hard research has been unrecognised as such by those two writers in their own MoF book; to unsuspecting or uninformed MoF readers (i.e. almost all of them, ... or "us", the first time around at least), these MoF theories may appear to be original research by Preston or Spezi. Give me some time, and the next chapters will be produced!


Thanks again for this, Kermit. We are all fans of your work and pps presentations which explain so clearly the dynamics of this fascinating case. As you say, there is much more to this, and more yet to come. We'll all look forward to the next chapters on Frank Sfarzo and his ongoing battles with the truth.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 4:49 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Ergon wrote:
Excellent post by Kermit on TJMK, recapping everything that has been written so far about Frank Sfarzo here, and on .ORG and TJMK. Do check it out, and once again, many thanks to Bettina for speaking up. We all owe her a debt of gratitude.


And thank YOU, Ergon. Your compassionate handling of a horrible situation allowed Bettina to bring her truth and the truth of others into the light. Thank you, Bettina. For your courage, and for your truth.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 11:47 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Tamale/Bettina has written a post on .org regarding Sfarzo's phone that was given to her by police when Sfarzo was arrested in Hawaii. Her comment has been copied over to Injustice Anywhere and Bruce Fischer has commented quickly.

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Bettina wrote:
"I have been asked to clarify how I came to be in possession of Franks phone.

The police took it out of Franks pocket after he was in handcuffs, and handed it to me. Maybe it was because F was still yelling insults at them and they were pissed off (wink). Maybe it was because they wanted me to keep it for him. Dunno.
Icalled several people out of the 10 contacts he had. I called his friends because I thought he was in good standing with them. Wrong. My motives were not to destroy him, but to get help (as I was done with him). Only Heavey said he could supply lawyers etc. The rest quickly declined. That is when some offered their own stories of mistreatment at the hands of Frank.
Bruce is wrong that I was vindictive...I had just been through an ordeal and was in a state of panic. Of course my story tumbled out when people asked. I was Perugian shocked."


Here is Bettina's first email to me. Is she looking for help as she insinuates above?

Bettina wrote:
Frank is in jail tonite after pushing me to the ground at a hotel in Kona Hawaii. He was abusive and insulting the whole week he was here. When the police arrived, he ranted and berated me so badly the police handcuffed him and took him away. He was yelling hysterically. Me, I am humiliated and bruised. I have supported him for years. And in the end, he has been revealed to be a liar. He also has no problems speaking poorly of many folks who tried to help. Not only that, he spoke horribly about the Knox family.

He told me I was worthless and he also screamed at me in public. He mocked me many times. He deserves all the discomfort of jail. I did not deserve this abuse, as he was invited to my home at my expense and I tried my best to show him the island. He has told many lies to many people and now all will be revealed.


Bruce Fischer publishes this private correspondence evidently in an attempt to shame her publicly, but the only impression I get is that there was a woman hurting and feeling humiliated by the unfair treatment she had received on the hands of Frank Sfarzo, looking for help and to be heard, but Bruce Fischer turned her away.

Also note that there are only ten contacts in total on Sfarzo's phone. KayPea and Bruce Fischer made it sound as if tamale/Bettina had called dozens of contacts. As a result of her intervention, Sfarzo was offered lawyers by Judge Heavey. Fischer should show a little bit more gratitude to her.

Here is a link to the original comment that Bruce Fischer has extended since I quoted it.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 12:11 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Napia5 wrote:
Ergon wrote:
Excellent post by Kermit on TJMK, recapping everything that has been written so far about Frank Sfarzo here, and on .ORG and TJMK. Do check it out, and once again, many thanks to Bettina for speaking up. We all owe her a debt of gratitude.


And thank YOU, Ergon. Your compassionate handling of a horrible situation allowed Bettina to bring her truth and the truth of others into the light. Thank you, Bettina. For your courage, and for your truth.


I'll second that.

If it wasn't for tamale/Bettina's courage to speak out and Ergon's persistence to investigate this whole matter, the truth about Frank Sfarzo's various arrests would have never come to light. Bruce Fischer and his supporters did everything they could to contain the situation.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 1:06 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Bettina,
I have a couple more questions, if you would be so kind.
What was the relationship between Heavey and Sforza at the time the violence occurred?
It’s rumored that Heavey paid Frank a monthly stipend (said to be $300). Is that true? Who else did Frank have that level of support from?
Did Heavey offer to provide you with a lawyer? Or Frank? Did he? Did he make any calls to the prosecutor?
Who purchased Frank's return flight from Hawaii to Seattle? From Seattle to Rome?
Do you know how much Frank was paid for each of the two OGGI articles he wrote from Seattle? Do you know the details of how he was paid for them?
Did Frank open a US bank account? How did he transact his affairs, rent payments, etc?
Re his phone, was it provided to him by a supporter, or did he himself purchase a ppd phone/sim card?
Thanks for your help, Bettina.
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louiehaha wrote:
Bettina,
I have a couple more questions, if you would be so kind.
What was the relationship between Heavey and Sforza at the time the violence occurred?
It’s rumored that Heavey paid Frank a monthly stipend (said to be $300). Is that true? Who else did Frank have that level of support from?
Did Heavey offer to provide you with a lawyer? Or Frank? Did he? Did he make any calls to the prosecutor?
Who purchased Frank's return flight from Hawaii to Seattle? From Seattle to Rome?
Do you know how much Frank was paid for each of the two OGGI articles he wrote from Seattle? Do you know the details of how he was paid for them?
Did Frank open a US bank account? How did he transact his affairs, rent payments, etc?
Re his phone, was it provided to him by a supporter, or did he himself purchase a ppd phone/sim card?
Thanks for your help, Bettina.

When I spoke to Heavey, he seemed ready to get help for Frank. I have heard Heavey paid Frank $300 monthly but have no personal knowledge. Peter sent monthly sums to Frank. Some others at IIP sent sums, how often I do not know.
Heavey did not provide me with an offer of legal assistance. I can not say that anything in our conversation seemed dishonest. He seemed distant and impartial, which is what I would expect from a judge.
As for the tickets...I paid a round trip ticket for Frank. Peter paid a round trip fare for Frank.
I don't know about bank accounts, and I seem to remember Frank saying he purchased a phone in Seattle.
He was very secretive about everything and I respected his privacy as a friend. Well he wasn't so secretive with the bad mouthing of his supporters which came up as a red flag. My concern grew when I spoke to Mr Mellas and he asked me to delete Amandas info from Franks phone, which was impossible as I no longer had the phone and was fleeing from Kona on the news Frank had been released from jail. Our brief conversation was respectful and enlightening. Best, Bettina
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 4:12 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Yes, I too appreciate properly now just how frightened Bettina must have been, since Sfarzo shows he feels no shame, can beat the elderly, and then men, so where does a female stand when faced with him? he has the face of a bad tempered, desperate person.

My view is that he is potentially far more dangerous.
You know the story about crying wolf, how anyone could believe someone that had had so many run-ins with the law involving violence and in such a short period, amazes me.

I feel like I ought to have realised that if he could be so very cruel verbally, and so dishonest, that there would be a great chance that he would be physically abusive too.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 5:15 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

I myself do not get a white feather, ever, though my wife and daughter did, when they were talking about Meredith. But this Christmas, for the second year running, I received the following, unexpected, gift:


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Have researched Francesco Sforza

Francesco Sforza was born in San Miniato, Tuscany, one of the seven illegitimate sons of the condottiero Muzio Sforza and Lucia da Torsano. He spent his childhood in Tricarico (in the modern Basilicata), the marquisate of which he was granted in 1412 by King Ladislaus of Naples. In 1418, he married Polissena Ruffo, a Calabrese noblewoman.

From 1419, he fought alongside his father, soon gaining fame for being able to bend metal bars with his bare hands. He later proved himself to be an expert tactician and very skilled field commander. After the death of his father, he fought initially for the Neapolitan army and then for Pope Martin V and the Duke of Milan, Filippo Maria Visconti. After some successes, he fell in disgrace and was sent to the castle of Mortara as a prisoner de facto.

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ttrroonniicc wrote:
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in court this morning I hear


Frank is certainly getting his 15 minutes of fame, but not in the way he expected. :D
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 6:08 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Happy New Year to everybody, and best wishes for the new year!
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It seems that Frank is a no-show at his preliminary hearing for "Assault 4 - Domestic Violence" in Seattle. His lawyer is making up excuses about needing an interpreter or that he is stuck in customs (although I thought he was posting in Facebook from NYC last night).

The Judge has given him 3,5 hours to show up, at 1.30 p.m. today, New Year's Eve.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 8:45 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

This is becoming Where's Waldoesque. Any one can push a pin on Facebook, but there was a NY supporter that offered him a place to stay on New Year's Eve. So let's say, he wanted to party there, and pleads customs difficulties? Then if you go by FB postings, RSollecito was at Amsterdam Airport a while ago, and also updated his current city to New York, New York 23 hrs ago http://www.facebook.com/raffa.sollecito

The judge hearing Frank's case might like to know he's had time to update his current status to New York City, from an immigration holding cell, no less :)
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Bruce just deleted another post from Peter (Canada). Oh...not deleted, just moved to sfarzogate.

Happy New Year..Bettina
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 10:00 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

FBN of .ORG reports that Frank is a no show for this afternoon either. Judge not in yet.
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FBN of .ORG reports that Frank is a no show for this afternoon either. Judge not in yet.


judge just issued bench warrant for Franks arrest
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Thanks, tamale. Maybe NYPD ought to bring out the protective gear if they come across him? He bites policemen when he isn't threatening to sue them?
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Ergon wrote:
Thanks, tamale. Maybe NYPD ought to bring out the protective gear if they come across him? He bites policemen when he isn't threatening to sue them?


Wait a minute. Do you mean to tell me that Frank is in New York? And his attorney knows that Frank is not in the area and asks for a continuance because of an interpreter? Is that even legal?

I can't get my head around this. They gambled that he would get an additional week to get to court, so he's not even in Washington?
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Happy New Year to everyone


I knew Sfarzo would mess up and end up in jail, he is like Knox and Sollecito, he thinks he is infallible

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So sorry I am not able to keep up with all the happenings but I just wanted to chime in tonight and say HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL!

Hoping 2013 brings peace and justice for the Kercher family.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 11:49 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

As I understand it, a bench warrant has been issued for Francesco SFORCA, but he travels on a passport made out to Francesco SFORZA. As for NYC, that was just a joke borne on their FB posts. No idea where he or Raffaele are, except the former's broke, and the latter's in chains at Papa's domicile I think.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 12:21 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

The info about court is on the TJMK site, maybe that's where Bettina got her info too.

I hope someone informs the police about the fake names he has. The man is dangerous, that is for sure.

I cannot imagine he showed up in the states, how could he exist in Italy, pay his way, have an own accommodation, pay the usual bills, and everyone does have them, and must pay them, eat, and all of the rest, then have money to hop on a plane, I'm not sure his helpers are sending him quite that much money.

Surely there must be news on him as regards the Italian situation, a person cannot say, well, I'll show up at court maybe in August, thanks a lot.

It doesn't work that way, when you have to go to court you have to GO.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 12:29 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

zorba wrote:
The info about court is on the TJMK site, maybe that's where Bettina got her info too.

I hope someone informs the police about trhe fake names he has. The man is dangerous, that is for sure.

I cannot imagine he showed up in the states, how could he exist in Italy, pay his way, have an own accommodation, pay the usual bills, and everyone does have them, and must pay them, eat, and all of the rest, then have money to hop on a plane, I'm not sure his helpers are sending him quite that much money.

Surely there must be news on him as regards the Italian situation, a person cannot say, well, I'll show up at court maybe in August, thanks a lot.

It doesn't work that way, when you have to go to court you have to GO.

I just heard Franks new bail is set at $2500. That is in addition to the $2,000 bail already paid.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 12:37 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Hi Bettina thanks,

I guess this will also be available on that Seattle court/police site.

It sure is going to look bad when proper journalists start getting real angles on all of this, but up until now, they have been like an homogeneous mix, all saying the same copy-cat, non-researched crap

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 12:44 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Case Details

Case Number: 584168
Case Type: CN
Case Category: DV
Case Status: WRNT
End Date: 2/26/2013
Filing Date: 11/28/2012
File Location: REC
Total Obligation Due: $2,500.00
Defendant Name: FRANCESCO SFORCA
Defense Attorney: ANNA SAMUEL
Arraignment Waiver Date:
Attorney Waiver Date:
Jurisdiction End Date:
Jury Waiver Date:
Police Incident#: 12405175
Amount in Collection:


ChargesCitationsHearingsEventsObligations
Sequence # Violation Desc. Plea Finding Disposition Code Dismissal Reason Close Date
1 ASSAULT NG PN
2 ASSAULT NG PN

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 12:47 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Case Details

Case Number: 584168
Case Type: CN
Case Category: DV
Case Status: WRNT
End Date: 2/26/2013
Filing Date: 11/28/2012
File Location: REC
Total Obligation Due: $2,500.00
Defendant Name: FRANCESCO SFORCA
Defense Attorney: ANNA SAMUEL
Arraignment Waiver Date:
Attorney Waiver Date:
Jurisdiction End Date:
Jury Waiver Date:
Police Incident#: 12405175
Amount in Collection:


ChargesCitationsHearingsEventsObligations
Entry Date Remarks
Dec 31, 2012 DF: SFORCA, FRANCESCO (1565666) DEFENDANT NOT PRESENT
Dec 31, 2012 DA: SAMUEL, ANNA (1000009260) PRESENT DL 10:22, 10:28, 14:08 CLK JMT
Dec 31, 2012 BENCH WARRANT # 990371979 ISSUED 12/31/2012 DEF IS NOT CURRENTLY HELD IN KCCS PER BAILF TL 12-31-12WRNT $2500 NO PR
Dec 05, 2012 NOTICE OF APPEARANCE FILED BY ACA 12/04/12 A SAMUEL #23444
Dec 04, 2012 NOTICE OF ACCEPTANCE SAMUEL A 23444
Nov 30, 2012 NOTICE OF WITHDRAWAL
Nov 30, 2012 CASE REFERRED TO ACA
Nov 29, 2012 CASE REFERRED TO NDA
Nov 28, 2012 CHARGE # 2 12A060100 (ASSAULT) PENDING
Nov 28, 2012 NO CONTACT ORDER 01/09/1955
Nov 28, 2012 NO CONTACT ORDER
Nov 28, 2012 PR GRANTED BY COURT
Nov 28, 2012 PRE-TRIAL HEARING SCHEDULED FOR 12/31/2012 AT 1000 INCOURTROOM 1103
Nov 28, 2012 INTERPRETER HAS BEEN REQUESTED (ITAL)
Nov 28, 2012 DF: SFORCA, FRANCESCO (1565666) PRESENT DL:1106 CLK:JR AOD:ROOD(R9). DEF ARRAIGNED. DA MTN FOR RELEASE-GRANTED. CITY MTN TO SET BAIL @$1500 OR DSCP- DENIED. DEF WISHES TO SPEAK WITH CONSULATE.
Nov 28, 2012 CASE REFERRED TO NDA
Nov 28, 2012 CHARGE # 1 12A060100 (ASSAULT) NOT GUILTY PLEA ENTERED
Nov 28, 2012 CHARGE # 2 12A060100 (ASSAULT) NOT GUILTY PLEA ENTERED
Nov 28, 2012 PROBABLE CAUSE FOUND BY COURT
Nov 27, 2012 DEFENDANT BOOKED. BA# 212031067
Nov 27, 2012 IN-CUSTODY ARRAIGNMENT SCHEDULED FOR 11/28/2012 AT 1005 IN COURTROOM KCJ2

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 12:49 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Getting expensive for nice, generous friends now isn't it, at 4500 dollars





Case Details

Case Number: 584168
Case Type: CN
Case Category: DV
Case Status: WRNT
End Date: 2/26/2013
Filing Date: 11/28/2012
File Location: REC
Total Obligation Due: $2,500.00
Defendant Name: FRANCESCO SFORCA
Defense Attorney: ANNA SAMUEL
Arraignment Waiver Date:
Attorney Waiver Date:
Jurisdiction End Date:
Jury Waiver Date:
Police Incident#: 12405175
Amount in Collection:


ChargesCitationsHearingsEventsObligations
Type Amount Balance Due Date End Date End Reason
Totals: $4,500.00 $2,500.00

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 2:35 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

According to Bruce Fischer from Injustice Anywhere, Frank Sfarzo got held up in customs because of something to do with his visa. Curiously, he adds that he doesn't have any details. How come? Didn't Frank give you any details, Bruce?

First of all, being an Italian citizen, Frank Sfarzo does not need to apply for a visa, he can stay for up to 90 days under the visa waiver program. Furthermore, given that he did everything possible to avoid his court hearing in Perugia, I am drawn to the conclusion that Frank Sfarzo did not have any intention to assist the court hearing in Seattle. Who would have paid for his trip anyway? He is broke and from what we have been able to observe since the news of Sfarzogate broke, his most generous donors have withdrawn from supporting him.

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Customs stopped Frank's entry into the country today. I do not have the details as to why he was denied entry. I am told there was an unrelated issue with his visa but that is all I have heard. He did not intentionally miss his hearing. The warrant issued by the judge is standard procedure and simply means that he missed his hearing. Anything else being said is complete nonsense. I will post an update when I can. I wont be online tonight so it will most likely be tomorrow.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 2:49 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Peter H published the latest email he received from Frank Sfarzo on Injustice Anywhere.

Needless to say that Bruce Fischer is busy attacking Peter on Injustice Anywhere for releasing the email, something that Bruce does on a regular basis when it suits him.

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OK, folks.
Sadly, I am just about done here. So here is last e-mail I got from Frank. Make up your own mind. I just recalculated my contributions to Frank and they amount to over $7,000. And this was his response:
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Yes, unlike you, abandoned and avoided like pest by everyone, I'm having fun. And anyway it's not your business if I'm having fun or not, since the idea of you making my business makes me puke, as everyone who looks at you can only be disgusted by your scary appearances and, if they know you, even more by your person.
You are a zero, in BC nobody knows you, you never produced anything in your life, you just live out of a disability check, you have no money, you save on the electricity, you calculate how much water your victims, who accept to reach you in that barn, consume.
Your "friend" Bill Gates doesn't have any idea who you are as well as your other "friend" Steve Jobs didn't.
It's only your imagination of mythomanic, paranoid, perverted, drunkard, old fool, as you rightly define yourself.
You are a disturbance for every one who has the bad luck to come across you, or who falls in the traps in which you attract them. You harassed Betttina, you harassed me, you are violent, dangerous, you have hallucinations because you are crazy, you are a snitch and a slanderer at once, you called the police at 4am while I was in bed telling them that I had stolen your wallet and cellphone. And that's in the records of the police of BC. You were so clever to call the police after having made crimes against me, exactly as the other drunkard did. That's the proof that you are stupid. You are so stupid you are not even able to make up an accusations against your victims. How can someone who has to stay in your house steal your cellphone and wallet, what does he do with your cellphone and your wallet if he's staying in your house out of the world?
Uh? What? You don't understand? If you were able to understand you would have produced something in your life, you would have someone close to you instead of having to pay people to get there.
Old disgusting drunkard and fool, remove immediately all my contact information from your email and cellphones. Remove within 48 hours the emails to me or from me you have been publishing online (because you are a nobody mythomaniac who wanted to show to the world that you were my friend). I never authorize you to publish my emails,I told you that you could post them only on the private discussion of IIP, where there are my friends, not on the public one. Remove those emails withing 48 hours or I'm gonna sue you. Never contact me again. You can't answer this email, you can't talk about me or say anything about my person with anyone. Next email or any attempt of communication in any form from you towards me will be evidence of your further disturbance to me, I'll pass the border and I'll report you to the police, who luckily know you very well.
_____________________________________________________________________

Unless Bruce changes his approach, I'm done here. It is a sad day, I believe the "Kids" to be innocent, but I have nowhere left to go. Thanks, Bruce. Those members who supported me will continue to be my friends


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 3:08 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

I'm sure that Frank decided, once he thought it all through, he'd rather be in an Italian prison, instead of an American one ;)

IIP/IA is just covering up for Frank Sfarzo, as they always have.

And if Frank was really the honest being he claims to be, he would say why he started to become obstreperous in B.C. Peter H does not deserve the abuse he received, after contributing over $7000 to help Frank.

And Frank Sfarzo's various aliases and arrest record are now known to the Canadian Border Services, so he will not "pass the border" any time soon. Go directly to Jail, more likely :)
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 3:28 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Um, Frank WAS travelling on a 90 day visa on his last visit. Which he overstayed. So, while he may well have had 'visa problems', it might have happened when he applied for another one, in Rome, just saying. At this point I doubt he ever got on a plane, but let's wait for definitive proof from his PR agency shall we? :)
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 3:42 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Happy New Year to everyone!

I am hopeful that this new year will bring justice and closure for the Kerchers.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 3:59 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Ergon wrote:
Um, Frank WAS travelling on a 90 day visa on his last visit. Which he overstayed. So, while he may well have had 'visa problems', it might have happened when he applied for another one, in Rome, just saying. At this point I doubt he ever got on a plane, but let's wait for definitive proof from his PR agency shall we? :)


Hi Ergon,

What you say rings true. So his "visa issues" might stem from having overstayed his first visa, or his various arrests showed up, or he lied on his visa application ... there is a myriad of possibilities what could have gone wrong. There are also some conditions that can exclude you from adopting the visa waiver program. See the link I previously posted.

However, I believe he did not even try to cross the border. I remain skeptical.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 4:15 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

They, the authorities/customs/police, communicate the data, deliberate, and then realise and decide they will just keep him out of America; they have nothing to prove by having him there, jailing him, then having to pay for it, it is easier to just act as though he is a deportee, by keeping him out, I think he is now a person non grata in America, which is cheaper than entertaining him by allowing him in.

What a nasty person he is, all I know is, he has it coming to him, he will bump into people worse than he is and they'll measure up cement shoes for him, I mean individuals like that end up crossing the wrong people, let's face it, who in the world is Sfarzo ever going to be nice to?

His words, obviously all lies, very harsh, snide, twisted, after all, what business is it of his what a person does to live responsibly, such as not wasting energy, for environmental reasons and ones about not wasting money/resources.

You can travel on the waiver scheme but if you are on police records you are going to get pulled out, when they pull such a person out they are going to seek out everything about him/her, and in Sfarzo's case, as it is about him, seek out how much money he has, then they would have obviously realised, well, he is supposed to go to court, but as he is a person without any status whatsoever in America, it is of no use to let him in only to go to court for those charges, they would know he is a problem, but that by letting him go to court (he did not murder anyone yet) it will cost the state, so better be rid of him; I think they refused him entry, I do not know yet if I am right.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 4:45 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

This Facebook map thing is so cool. If an Italian were to be persona non grata in North America, and Perugian and Florence trial dates beckon, what to do? If one has friends in Australia, perhaps Melbourne, beckons?

Here's some unsolicited advice to Frank. Face the music like a man. You can't go on living like this.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 5:02 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Ergon wrote:
This Facebook map thing is so cool. If an Italian were to be persona non grata in North America, and Perugian and Florence trial dates beckon, what to do? If one has friends in Australia, perhaps Melbourne, beckons?

Here's some unsolicited advice to Frank. Face the music like a man. You can't go on living like this.


When it comes to Australia, I don't even think his police record will be a problem, either because he hasn't been convicted yet (as we know of), or because of the different identities he uses. But there are more things to consider:

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 3:59 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

I still don't get it about fake IDs; to have them, is a crime, if you get pulled up/hauled in, more often than not, certainly in the event of an assault, you get searched, when police find you with documents that have different names on them, they do not let you go and if they weren't going to take you to the Cop Shop, they certainly will if they find you have different IDS.

In Europe, certain countries have agreements that allow them to use ID cards as ID at borders, but you cannot really go far with ID cards.

I'll have to look the latest up on this, I know the BE (Belgium) NE (Netherlands) LUX (Luxembourg) = BENELUX had relaxed rules for members of any one of these three countries, but basically, I don't think you can go far without a valid passport and I cannot see Sfarzo getting away long with showing fake ID to American officials, after all, they are going to have him properly checked out.

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Happy New Year one and all - I too hope justice comes in 2013.

Re Frank/Bruce - good grief!!!
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 7:04 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Fugitive Sforzo, Sfarzo whatever his blooming name is, or, not so much in bloom as decay, has a nice ring to it, Fugitive Frank.

My bet is that Frank is a former heroin addict.
That's what I think.

Not that they are all like he is, but the life some people go through, well, most who get really addicted, is no game, and all of the usual niceties of life are destroyed, some people manage to get out of it and recover, but the trail of crap they have left behind them may not be forgiven by everyone, in fact, so many people are involved, like got ripped off, conned, they could never forgive someone like that.

I happen to have known heroin addicts, one of which my own cousin, who died aged 27, his so-called friends finished him off in hospital where he lay hanging on by a thread to life, blood poisoning is what he had, they sneaked heroin in, it killed him.

I know exactly how low it can go and I saw far more later on, after this, but because it concerned a family member, it shocked me and helped me realise just how bad it was, as he was prepared to rip ME (family) off too, he just could not help it, heroin addicts cannot, so it is entirely different to ordinary crooks; heroin addicts aren't quintessentially crooks (not always), that is a secondary activity ruled by the need for scoring heroin.

In the end though, the line between being a crook and an addict first or second becomes vague as the habits learned whilst being on heroin may be used to manipulate people/situations even when the addict gets off heroin, because on heroin, people become master manipulators.

This/these ability/abilities learned whilst addicted can serve them later on (when clean) to get anything they want off of people, who they may charm and strategically set about ticklling their to-be vitctims ego's, make you think they are your special friend, say anything they think you want to hear, they know how to come up with the things you want and need to hear. That is manipulative behaviour. THe hsardness that mostly ordinary people cannot use on others is fully psatented in the world of addiction, as the addiction has addicts hurting lots of people, including their infant children, mother, grandmother, old friends, ANYONE, every day.

The lengths Frank goes to tells me he is not ordinary as in being a loser; no qualifications, no backlog of skills and jobs had, no nothing in fact, of that, so that's why he keeps projecting his frustrations onto others, saying they are zeros, his projecting is classical behaviour of people blaming their own frustrations onto others by accusing them of being all the things they themselves in fact are.

Therefore, the lengths he goes, shows he is not one of the better, successfully recovered types, he has a whole lot of uptightness going on, and his aggression may be attacked to him being off heroin but straight onto booze. So the problem is still alive and not very well, but still active, he had issues and they still drive his action.

The levels he stooped down to, I think, on heroin, mean this is the result, him manipulating people, and still walking round with whatever deep frustrations it is he had long before Meredith died and he ever heard the name Knox apart from as in FORTS.

This is why normal levels of normalcy do not apply to him, as he has a whole lot going on with him that is not okay.
He conspired with others who ended up having a whole lot wrong with them too, if they also did'nt already have these seem issues to start with, in connection to be willing to be deceitful in the name of a country, for Knox; not willing to be upright and honest in the name of love and country and other humans beings, they slip then, and they slide down together, they accommodated one another, there is no need to sympathise with their poor looking situation.
They were mindful and conscious, they made and took the decisions to tell lies.

It's only because they were desperate to get Knox off whether guilty or not, that they engaged with such a sneaky character as Sfarzo is.
Ordinarily, people would see the signs, those signs would warn one off, don't go near this, he is lying, but as they themselves were up to no good too, then actions slipped into one bad on top of the other.


This is about to become a problem for all those who have been deceitful, first of all Knox and Sollecito and their direct families, it is because this is going to be in the newspapers soon and just how long can money and few few little people (Marriot, Simon, the drunk driving lawyer Bremner, and the rest of them) get away with acting as though everything they do is above the law, not in compliance with it, but ABOVE it, like outlaws, they think they can do whatever they like and nothing will ever get to them.

It's not going to work to control the news.
It's finished.
And it is going to be bad for the Knox, Sollecito, and Guede case.

Truth is going to find the way out and show its head at the surface.

It'll be a light that cannot be switched off.

There are certain journalists that need informing of these latest events.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 7:28 pm   Post subject: TJMK Followup   

Hi Friends,

There's a new followup piece up on TJMK, as a result of "Frank's" no-show yesterday in court.

http://www.truejustice.org

It simply summarises the state of things that we've been observing over the last 24 hours.

Happy New Year, and thanks to Nell for putting up the abusive email from Frank to Peter H, which has been incorporated into the new post.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 7:34 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Me, I think I'm good at working things out, and I see things most others cannot, like the difference between looking and seeing, I see, sometimes when I did not want to/had no intention of seeing what I ended up seeing, frightening things, but what turned out to be deadly accurate and real.


It may sound mad but I tried to help the CIA find Bin Ladin.

I just went onto their site and shared what I knew of the globe through experience. Then I reasoned things out in writing and sent them it, this was at least 2 years before Bin Ladin got caught.

I told them, that I knew the areas, had travelled there and knew how things worked. I wrote, now where would such a person hide, you might think nearer to Europe in an Islamic country, but I said there are none where he would be safe, safe from someone turning him in and safe in order to be able to escape if things got hot under his feet. He would be far too easy to catch in any near European Islamic country like Lebanon, where it is not only Islamic but Christian ands many other religions too, and what had he done to make them feel like they owed him in any near European country? Nothing.
Diversity was too great.

Iran would not lend him assistance so if he wished to flee from let's say Iraq, he'd never get through Iran, there would be far too much risk of getting caught and handed in with the idea of reward or just because they shared nothing with him.

So where was it that he would be most protected, I said in Afghanistan, but that Afghanistan would be far too dangerous for him as thart is exactly where they would be looking for him and he would know that and therefore not be hiding there in any cave as silly Mr Bush said, and I said, in fact, he will never be hiding in a cave.

I said, where then is the next safest place, would it be Indonesia, the largest Islamic country in the world, again, I told then no, because they are not as radical, not in high percentages, so it would have to be Pakistan where he would be hiding where he has a lot of support, where there is a lot of corruption and where it is possible to escape in many different directions.

So I thought about it, and that would not be near Southern Iran, in Pakistan, as that area is not wild enough. It would have to be up in the north, in the mountainous terrain, near both Northern India (with radical Islamic people active there too = in Indian Kashmir) and Afghanistan (north of Afghanistan in the other STANS would not be the places to hide as they are not as radical or screwed up as Pakistan and Afghanistan though they are poverty stricken.
Therefore there would be thre escape routes; to India, in the troubled areas that are not cointrolled well by India because of the warring between India and Pakistan, or into Afghanistan temporarily, but Northern Pakistan is an inaccessible area and that too would serve as good hideout for some time.
But I knew he'd be right under their noses, which milliionaire is going to reside in a cave?

Then I told them that he would be staying in one of those quite well-off (middle class or wealthier) villa-like homes they have in Pakistan, which are almost always walled, and where there is a lot of privacy, where if they do not want anyone coming in, beyond the gate, nobody comes in. In those homes, people do whatever they like, different to ho things are in Europe or America, Canada, the Western world, because money buys more in Asia, I mean people in India and Pakistan can have what are just about slaves working for them, for sums of money that are simply unimaginably low by any proper standards, so you do not even need to be rich to have someone running around doing everything for you. So that is why you live like a king. When I was in India I'd stroll around and of course it was possible to walk into any one of hundreds of street side tailor shops and have any item of clothing made you liked, you could select material there or bring your own. I'm just explaining how ways of life can be and are entirely different in different parts of the world.

I'm not saying anyone even read my post and certainly not that they reviewed what I said and it led them to Northern Pakistan, but I am saying I was exactly correct, they found him in a place in the area out of the whole wide world, the exact area I named and in exactly the kind of premises I said too.

That's why, if I say this is the end of the media manipulation,
I'm not just saying it,
I've thought about it,
and this is the dog that turns on its owner; Frank is that,
but, it's more like; dog bites dog.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 8:05 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Hi, Zorba. I have no doubt that you are right on target with the goings-on of Frank. I believe that he expected a great payback for his services when he came to Seattle. Instead, he was sent to a Rotary Club meeting 100 miles away, and after the initial high-fives and pats on the back, there was actually little left for him to feed upon.
His treatment of Peter and Bettina came on the heels of the gradual realization that he was being sidelined.
There is no one more perceptive than a con man. He sensed what was happening. And, if he was sensing the distancing that was occurring, of course, he became furious. In his mind, he was a key player, and there should have been a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. But, there wasn't.

Those people in Seattle who came in contact with him to any extent, had to sense his rising hysterics.
As his opportunities dried up, he must have become increasingly hostile. He wanted what was due him. He did not expect to find doors closing, people turning away in embarrassment, and I have a sinnking feeling that he is not done with them yet. They must be on pins and needles waiting to see what happens next.

He may be reading IA, and see that there are a few attempts to defend him. But Frank knows that these people are not the people with the power, the money. Those doors have already closed to him. I wouln't want to run across him anywhere at this point.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 8:12 pm   Post subject: SFARZO~GATE   

New post by Kermit on TJMK http://www.truejustice.org/ee/index.php ... be_banned/ and for his trouble, Bruce Fischer of the Frank Sfarzo apologist group Injustice In Perugia obtains and posts a photograph of someone whom he identifies as Kermit and his real (supposed) name, on the "Today Over At PMF" thread.

And in the "Sfarzo~Gate" thread, Bruce excuses the actions of the blogger known as Frank/Francesco Sforza/Sforca/Sfarzo (which is why he might still be able to enter the U.S., since, as reported here, his passport is under the name Francesco Sforza, but his arrests in Hawaii and Seattle were under the name Francesco Sforca, and he might well lie when asked if he'd been arrested before. In Canada, it was as Francesco Sforza, but there he was merely escorted to the border and allowed to leave) in Italy as 'a simple family matter'. When asked why it took so long for Frank to tell people on his blog he had been attacked by the police, Bruce excuses that omission as Frank being "traumatised" and "needing time to gather his thoughts" but also "keeping it private" (That last didn't last long, as soon as he started trolling for donations/CPJ support)

But of course Frank's PR agent, er, Bruce Fischer, gets to cast doubts on Bettina's statement for inconsistencies because her trauma is evidence of lying, but Frank's "bullshits" are of course, evidence of trauma. And if a 71 yr old man feels so threatened in his own home he has to call the police and have Sfarzo escorted from his home, then he must be attacked as 'being under the influence of alcohol' or, just, 'old'. Double standards much? Hypocrisy?

Here's what we know. The blogger known as Frank Sfarzo has collected donations in the tens of thousands of dollars, from hidden payments by interested parties but also many gullible supporters world wide, and it was all based on a lie. He is a serial abuser, starting with his own mother, but there's too much riding on the lie to ever allow it to be seen, or Frank in a court, until a certain day in March.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 10:29 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Still, in a way there are things worse than heroin, and harder to keep off, because of crooked social rejections & acceptances.

Imagine getting off heroin, but then every time you go to take a bus, there are people shooting up in the bus shelter or else, at the bus stop. Imagine going to a job interview and as many as 10 staff at any time are stood outside Chinesing heroin, either during their break or breaks they find a way to take that are actually no breaks: just going to the WC >> straight outside to shoot up.

Imagine going to hospital, for a check up, and seeing nurses and doctors also having a fix outside.

Imagine going shopping and stood outside every mall, store, shopping centre or whatever, you have people stood just outside the maimn doors, fixing a Chinesing.

Well, this is actually how it is for non or ex-smokers.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 11:59 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

zorba wrote:
I still don't get it about fake IDs; to have them, is a crime, if you get pulled up/hauled in, more often than not, certainly in the event of an assault, you get searched, when police find you with documents that have different names on them, they do not let you go and if they weren't going to take you to the Cop Shop, they certainly will if they find you have different IDS.

In Europe, certain countries have agreements that allow them to use ID cards as ID at borders, but you cannot really go far with ID cards.

I'll have to look the latest up on this, I know the BE (Belgium) NE (Netherlands) LUX (Luxembourg) = BENELUX had relaxed rules for members of any one of these three countries, but basically, I don't think you can go far without a valid passport and I cannot see Sfarzo getting away long with showing fake ID to American officials, after all, they are going to have him properly checked out.


Hi Zorba,

We know that Frank Sfarzo had his Italian passport on him when he was arrested in Seattle. The police officer noted in the report that he had his Italian passport with him, nonetheless he booked him with a different name than Francesco Sforza.

I find it very suspicious that he gets booked twice on two different locations under the same name that's not his real name. There were even two birth dates noted on the police report and another name he uses. The report doesn't say where the information comes from, we can only guess.

As reported on .org the police report from Seattle reads the following:

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S/Sforza was placed under arrest and transported to the West Precinct... Persons took pictures of the injuries to V II and sent them for processing to the SPD Photo Lab via the Digital Evidence Management System (DEMS). 2 Domestic violence Supplemental forms were completed by Officer... S/Sforza has a passport from Italy and requested Consular notification.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 12:29 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

There has been a more detailed summary of the court hearings from 31st of December, provided by Fly by Night on .org who attended both hearings:

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I think it was obvious to everyone in court yesterday that they were being played by Frank. Municipal Court routinely deals with repeat offenders eager to offer up their latest excuse and most recent tale of rehabilitation.

Frank’s lawyer was on the phone in the waiting area until court began and seemed to have no idea about what was going on with Frank. Before Frank’s hearing came up in court the judge called for a sidebar consultation with the lawyer and the prosecutor. Then there was a pause in the proceedings while the KING5 cameraman set up in the jury box. Finally, it was announced that Frank was a no-show as his lawyer claimed that Frank was delayed due to “issues with customs”. She then made a request for a week’s extension in order to sort things out, which the judge denied requiring the lawyer to have it sorted out by the afternoon session.

The lawyer complained that the interpreter Frank said was necessary would not be able to show up for the afternoon session. The judge asked the lawyer if all her communication with Frank was successfully accomplished in English and she said that it was. The judge decided that this would be sufficient for the hearing to proceed and ordered him to show up at 1:30pm. The lawyer said that she would see what she could do and gave absolutely no indication that Frank would not be able to appear.

Before the afternoon session got underway KING5 and other visitors were informed that Frank would be a no-show and KING5 decided to call it a day. Frank should take note: The first order of business was to arrest, cuff, and haul off to jail a man who had missed his morning court appearance and mistakenly showed up at the afternoon session instead. When Franks hearing came up his lawyer’s tone had changed; Frank was simply not there and she said she was out of options. The judge said he could find no reasons in any of the paperwork before him that would explain why Frank would have any problem whatsoever in showing up.

It must be noted that this would have been the perfect time for Frank’s lawyer to present evidence or character witnesses with all of the kinds of arguments and excuses that are commonly offered at Frank-the-Hero sites. If only the judge could have heard about the ongoing persecution Frank has had to endure; he may have been persuaded to grant an extension for Frank.

With the lawyer raising her hands in defeat, the judge literally looked towards the eyes of the audience and asked for any words of support for Frank; “Anyone?” The proverbial pin-drop could have been heard. With that, the judge issued the bench warrant and set bail at $2,500. I swear I saw a slight smile on the prosecutors face as she walked past in the lobby, after court.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 12:35 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Thanks Nell,

These days, authorities whether it is the town hall, police whatever, have access to instant data, an overview, if he got hauled in on Hawaii, in Seattle, wherever else he gets hauled in or stopped or asked questions, as soon as they look, they have that data, definitely, in America of all places, where I live they have all of this, they pull you up in your car, they ask you your name, they ask your address, but they actually know it from your license plates already, and so on and so forth, all of these things are now synchronised, if in fighting terrorism they can let an Italian get away with using all kinds of names, it'd mean he could just as well have neen Ali Ben Dalli, international terrorist, and they are letting him tell them any old name, so something is definitely wrong here, if they are using S/Sforca, whatever it was, then the S must stand for the other version, which they have in full and not abbreviated meaning they are aware he is using TWO names, two at least.


However, let's day, Sforca's American dream is and was over before it started, it is a shame he missed an opportunity to gain first-hand experience of a prison in America, had a stay for a year, he might have had a different take on his own country's facilities, of which he seems to know nothing about, but if he actually did, he lied about it all anyhow.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 1:20 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

zorba wrote:
--- snip ---

... if they are using S/Sforca, whatever it was, then the S must stand for the other version, which they have in full and not abbreviated meaning they are aware he is using TWO names, two at least.

--- snap ---


Hi Zorba,

In the police report they used V/Name of victim and S/Name of suspect. So the S/ in front of his name stands for suspect. It is the section alias where they stated an additional name: SCORCA.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 1:49 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Nell wrote:
zorba wrote:
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... if they are using S/Sforca, whatever it was, then the S must stand for the other version, which they have in full and not abbreviated meaning they are aware he is using TWO names, two at least.

--- snap ---


Hi Zorba,

In the police report they used V/Name of victim and S/Name of suspect. So the S/ in front of his name stands for suspect. It is the section alias where they stated an additional name: SCORCA.



Hi Nell,

Oh dear, and thanks but, I hope someone makes sure the police DO KNOW what is what and WHO is exactly WHO because it sounds too easy to me,

that someone could get away with that for this long,
something to my mind,
seems wrong about the names,
like the name in his passport is not as has been mentioned.

I cannot see how else he could be sent to court, no way, they would not do that on the strength of an ID card.
Absolutely not.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 3:14 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Hi Zorba,

Kermit raises important points in his latest article published on TJMK.

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Having left the country, both the judge who freed “Frank” on bail in November and “Frank” himself should have been more than aware that should “Frank” leave the country – exactly as he seems to have done hours after getting his bailed freedom in November - that he could have serious and lengthy paperwork to prepare should he want to return and face the American justice system?

Given that Frank Sfarzo doesn't have any ties to the community and could be considered a flight risk, it is questionable why the judge decided to allow bail in the first place.

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Entering the US if you have an arrest record – as is definitely the case of “Frank” – is difficult and requires much more extensive paperwork than simply filling out the ESTA VWP forms online like an average tourist. Anyone in “Frank’s” situation should have been responsible enough to identify potential problems in returning to the US to face his Domestic Violence charges …

Unless!

...unless the entourage around him (I’m not referring to his court appointed lawyer) felt that in fact the best option of those available is to not have “Frank” go through a difficult trial that could further damage the Knox PR campaign and have a negative impact on upcoming sales of Knox’s memoir “tell all” book and her odds on appeal.

or unless the US Rome Embassy or Immigration decided (not at all for the first time) that it would be way cheaper and safer for everybody concerned to simply keep him out.

I agree with Kermit. Sfarzogate has done much damage to the PR campaign in support of Amanda Knox and that is their only concern.

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A member on Injustice Anywhere had the common sense to ask why Frank Sfarzo did not write about the "assault" in Perugia on his blog around the time "it" happened. Sarah reassures him that she knew about the beating, because she was in contact with him through email and KayPea makes it sound in her post as if she witnessed the whole thing. Furthermore KayPea and Bruce Fischer take a personal pleasure in outing tamale/Bettina on Injustice Anywhere, a pseudo non-profit organisation dedicated to bring injustice anywhere, as the name says.

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Sarah wrote:
Steve Moore's interview is also related in my opinion to Frank's troubles in Perugia. Steve's interviews came out in Sep, 2010. The same month that the cops beat up Frank. The interviews were quoted in the UK and Italy. I remember Walter Biscotti quoted in a paper saying that Steve Moore would be arrested if he said such things in Italy. Sep, 2010 was a month Mignini, Stefanoni, Biscotti, Maresca and the police were very upset with what Steve Moore was saying about them and bringing attention to. Barbie Nadeau wrote her awful 'Friends like these' article. It was a huge time for IIP and it made a momentous change in public opinion of how the case was seen. It doesn't surprise me at all that Mignini and the cops would go after a local they could get their hands on during this time.

There may not be paper proof that it was Mignini's orders, it is something that Frank knows to be true though. That it happened in Sep, 2010 makes it all the more believable.


Btw The Machine (Harry Rag) and SomeAlibi,

Steve Moore is very grateful to you for the letters you wrote to Pepperdine that convinced the school to fire him. He got compensated handsomely, was able to do many interviews and appearances for Amanda & Raffaele's sake, started a new career and had time to write a book! He is very pleased by the outcome and wouldn't change a thing. Thank you! :tongue:


The problem is Frank was posting on his blog at the time and never mentioned anything about being "beaten up".

It was only months later with the CPJ thing this all was made public.

Has anyone seen any photos of his alleged police brutality?


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I had word about Frank being beaten up the day after it happened. I would have to troll through yards of old messages to find the exact date but I am sure it was Sep, 2010. It was a secret for a long time that Frank didn't want discussed. He eventually started to mention it on his blog.


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So did he not want it discussed because his family were the ones to call the police on him? That's the heart of the matter.


At that time his family was not mentioned at all. It was all about what Mignini sent the cops to do to him. I don't even know if Frank knew his family problems were used as an excuse to go after him at that time.

Do you think they would have sent FIVE cops over a domestic issue?! :noway: This is so typical of what we have seen in this case. The cops couldn't even be bothered to collect physical evidence off the floor and bag it right after the murder, but later they had time to do hours upon hours of phone surveillance of the Sollecito family.

If it wasn't personal there is no way they would have sent that many cops to Frank's house. Frank was severely beaten up and injured by it. He was scared for his life.


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Frank was being targeted by the police. He was beaten and then taken by the police to a psychiatrist to try to insinuate that he was mentally ill. Thankfully the doctor did not cave to the pressure from the police and declared Frank mentally sound. It is not out of the ordinary that Frank would have needed time to sort this all out before running to the internet to tell the story. He was traumatized.

There is no proof that the family called the police. Where is the proof of that? Frank claims the police just showed up. We have no proof to suggest otherwise.

Frank and his family had a dispute over property. This is a common dispute that many families have and is no one's business. The authorities used this family matter to try and get to Frank. They pressured his family members to sign statements against Frank.

A family member of Frank's that was pressured has now testified repeatedly in court that the accusations made by the police are false. The police tried to bully Frank's family into turning against him. They were already having a dispute about property so tensions were high.

This is where it stands. If you have any proof of anything then by all means post it. If we have nothing more than speculation I would suggest that we all wait for the next court hearing.


The source for all these quotes together with KayPea's "witness account" of Frank's beating can be found here.
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Oh my God!! Frank was beaten by the police!! We need pictures so we can gauge how angry to be at the officials. I for one am outraged...and I demand to see proof of this abuse he suffered at the heavy hand of Justice. There must be paperwork or photos...si?
I suggest he show to court his proof...and then his proof will become public record for all of us...And, I assure you my tattered and torn Frank....people will be ever so angry!!
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 6:17 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

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Oh my God!! Frank was beaten by the police!! We need pictures so we can gauge how angry to be at the officials. I for one am outraged...and I demand to see proof of this abuse he suffered at the heavy hand of Justice. There must be paperwork or photos...si?
I suggest he show to court his proof...and then his proof will become public record for all of us...And, I assure you my tattered and torn Frank....people will be ever so angry!!


Bruce Fischer repeats Sfarzo's version of events over and over, adding every time that he hasn't seen proof that indicates otherwise. For whatever reason that doesn't apply to versions vented in his forum that could harm Sfarzo's credibility, namely Peter's and yours. No one has seen proof that contradicts your stories either, nonetheless you both have been insulted and your credibility has been questioned by members of his forum and himself. Bruce Fischer even resorts to intimidation to contain the situation. It is ugly to watch.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 6:25 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

I noticed another comment published by Sarah, administrator from Injustice Anywhere that caught my eye:

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The PMF.ugh clan hint they convinced a King 5 cameraman to come to Frank's hearing. Hey, I wonder if the cameraman knows Bruce Fisher over at Komo News! :tongue:

I can imagine the scene. The local Seattle guilter nutjobs gathered all a twitter, excited and chatting with the cameraman. Peggy, Randy and Kathleen Jackson, Tara ... and Frank does a no show on them because of a journalist Visa or something. :::lol:::

I can't blame them for trying, although it reveals just how nutty and obsessed they are a year after the verdict.

IIP also contacted King 5 in the past to set up interviews with Steve Moore and others. Of course, Steve Moore's interview brought King 5 News national and inter-national kudos for breaking a huge story. :yay:

:champagne:


It reminded me of Curt Knox who claimed that he contracted the services of Marriott to handle all the media requests. If that would have been his true intention, a secretary would have sufficed. Instead, he was craving for media exposure to soften his daughter's image in the media.


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Media Relations

Understanding what makes the media tick can be essential to the success of many high-profile projects. Gogerty Marriott helps clients develop media plans that provide reporters and editors with information needed to understand the issues and to help clients communicate appropriately when there is controversy. Some of the instrumental elements in these plans include:

- Briefings with reporters and editorial writers 

- Events that attract favorable news coverage 

- Media kits including press releases, fact sheets and Q and As

- Producing and placing op-eds
- Letters to the editor campaigns

- Placement of positive stories

- Media training for client spokespersons and message preparation

- Internal research and risk assessment to help anticipate and prepare for potentially negative coverage

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Gogerty Marriott’s work for the family has brought them in touch with all major U.S. news networks – ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN and Fox News, as well as independent programs such as Oprah Winfrey and a host of national and international magazines and newspapers.

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Source: Amanda Knox Showcase
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Nell wrote:
tamale wrote:
Oh my God!! Frank was beaten by the police!! We need pictures so we can gauge how angry to be at the officials. I for one am outraged...and I demand to see proof of this abuse he suffered at the heavy hand of Justice. There must be paperwork or photos...si?
I suggest he show to court his proof...and then his proof will become public record for all of us...And, I assure you my tattered and torn Frank....people will be ever so angry!!


Bruce Fischer repeats Sfarzo's version of events over and over, adding every time that he hasn't seen proof that indicates otherwise. For whatever reason that doesn't apply to versions vented in his forum that could harm Sfarzo's credibility, namely Peter's and yours. No one has seen proof that contradicts your stories either, nonetheless you both have been insulted and your credibility has been questioned by members of his forum and himself. Bruce Fischer even resorts to intimidation to contain the situation. It is ugly to watch.


Sorry Nell , I forgot to apply the tongue in cheek smiley... tou-) bricks-) bricks-)
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Nell wrote:
Peter H published the latest email he received from Frank Sfarzo on Injustice Anywhere.
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OK, folks.
Sadly, I am just about done here. So here is last e-mail I got from Frank. Make up your own mind. I just recalculated my contributions to Frank and they amount to over $7,000. And this was his response:
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...You were so clever to call the police after having made crimes against me, exactly as the other drunkard did. ..


Source to the original post


I wonder: Who is the "other drunkard"?

Is it the heavyset man in the photos with "Frank" and Mr. H. in Canada?

What "crimes" did they allegedly commit in respect of "Frank"?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 7:42 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Jackie wrote:
Nell wrote:
Peter H published the latest email he received from Frank Sfarzo on Injustice Anywhere.
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OK, folks.
Sadly, I am just about done here. So here is last e-mail I got from Frank. Make up your own mind. I just recalculated my contributions to Frank and they amount to over $7,000. And this was his response:
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...You were so clever to call the police after having made crimes against me, exactly as the other drunkard did. ..


Source to the original post


I wonder: Who is the "other drunkard"?

Is it the heavyset man in the photos with "Frank" and Mr. H. in Canada?

What "crimes" did they allegedly commit in respect of "Frank"?



Hi Jackie,

I have no idea who Frank Sfarzo is referring to. But apparently Sfarzo calls everyone a "zero" and a "drunkard" who doesn't agree with him. Look at that rant. Sfarzo cannot afford to pay his bills, he has no means of income, he raised funds through Bruce Fischer's forum Injustice Anywhere to pay for his living expenses shortly before he was evacuated from his apartment after falling behind with his rent. On what planet is Frank Sfarzo a success? How does he have the nerve to call others a failure?

The heavyset man is Stuart Lyster, a reverend, who posts under the nickname "Bill Williams" on Injustice Anywhere. I don't know who the other man on Sfarzo's left is, it could be Peter H., his host in Canada. Bill Williams keeps supporting Frank Sfarzo and calls the whole incident in Canada a "personal disagreement between two adults". He hasn't backed up Peter H., to the contrary.

After Peter H. called police and Frank Sfarzo was removed from his host's home in Canada, Frank accused Peter H. of sexual molestation, obviously an act of retaliation. Peter H. wrote on Injustice Anywhere that he was questioned in relation to Frank's accusation the next day. Both, Sarah Snyder and Bruce Fischer have ignored Frank's very serious accusation of sexual molestation. It wasn't discussed on Injustice Anywhere at all.

Here is Peter H.'s post he published on Injustice Anywhere:

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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 2:17 pm
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I spent 2 hours with Canadian immigration officials trying to get Frank Sfarzo into Canada for his second visit. They finally agreed to let him in on the condition that he would not be able to re-enter if he left Canada. I think we all know than Mr. Sfarzo's visit ended up disastrously. Unlike Bettina, I have tried to keep quiet about the reasons why I finally had to call the police to remove Frank from my premises. Also, unlike the guilters, I believe firmly that AK and RS are innocent.

Frank was not asleep at 4:00 a.m. when I called the police for assistance. Instead I felt increasingly threatened after a totally unnecessary hostile argument. I was subsequently interviewed the next day by a police officer (with tape recorder) to clarify questions about Sfarzo accusing me of sexual molestation. Talk about a desperate "Hail Mary Pass".

The police then advised that he had returned to the US. I have had a number of p.m. with Bruce. He did not give me the courtesy of advising me me of his decision.

So, I am calling you out on this one, Bruce. You are the moderator, but I can disagree and be disappointed with your decision. Unfortunate! I should have saved the $5,000 I donated for Frank's support.

p.s. Bill Williams - why are you hiding?


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:28 am   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

I've read Frank's email to Peter H. only once, because I found it so odious. Now after Jackie's post, I read those lines once more and I can only imagine the distress that one goes through after receiving an email like this from a person he called once a friend and who he has supported financially to a high degree. Despite of everything, I can find amusement in certain statements that Frank Sfarzo makes in his ranting and raving email.

A guy who relies heavily on funds raised mostly through Bruce Fischer's forum Injustice Anywhere, dares to to criticise Peter H. for trying to keep his utility bills down. I also note that Sfarzo uses the word barn to describe Peter H.'s home; he said the same about tamale/Bettina's home.

Even the most skeptical must concede that you cannot call a man poor who has $7,000 to spare to pay for the living expenses of someone else and let him travel around the globe. Sfarzo sounds delusional and self-aggrandising.

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Yes, unlike you, abandoned and avoided like pest by everyone, I’m having fun. And anyway it’s not your business if I’m having fun or not, since the idea of you making my business makes me puke, as everyone who looks at you can only be disgusted by your scary appearances and, if they know you, even more by your person.
You are a zero, in BC nobody knows you, you never produced anything in your life, you just live out of a disability check, you have no money, you save on the electricity, you calculate how much water your victims, who accept to reach you in that barn, consume.
Your “friend” Bill Gates doesn’t have any idea who you are as well as your other “friend” Steve Jobs didn’t.
It’s only your imagination of mythomanic, paranoid, perverted, drunkard, old fool, as you rightly define yourself.
You are a disturbance for every one who has the bad luck to come across you, or who falls in the traps in which you attract them. You harassed Betttina, you harassed me, you are violent, dangerous, you have hallucinations because you are crazy, you are a snitch and a slanderer at once, you called the police at 4am while I was in bed telling them that I had stolen your wallet and cellphone. And that’s in the records of the police of BC. You were so clever to call the police after having made crimes against me, exactly as the other drunkard did. That’s the proof that you are stupid. You are so stupid you are not even able to make up an accusations against your victims. How can someone who has to stay in your house steal your cellphone and wallet, what does he do with your cellphone and your wallet if he’s staying in your house out of the world?
Uh? What? You don’t understand? If you were able to understand you would have produced something in your life, you would have someone close to you instead of having to pay people to get there.
Old disgusting drunkard and fool, remove immediately all my contact information from your email and cellphones. Remove within 48 hours the emails to me or from me you have been publishing online (because you are a nobody mythomaniac who wanted to show to the world that you were my friend). I never authorize you to publish my emails,I told you that you could post them only on the private discussion of IIP, where there are my friends, not on the public one. Remove those emails withing 48 hours or I’m gonna sue you. Never contact me again. You can’t answer this email, you can’t talk about me or say anything about my person with anyone. Next email or any attempt of communication in any form from you towards me will be evidence of your further disturbance to me, I’ll pass the border and I’ll report you to the police, who luckily know you very well.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 12:52 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

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Hi, Zorba. I have no doubt that you are right on target with the goings-on of Frank. I believe that he expected a great payback for his services when he came to Seattle. Instead, he was sent to a Rotary Club meeting 100 miles away, and after the initial high-fives and pats on the back, there was actually little left for him to feed upon.
His treatment of Peter and Bettina came on the heels of the gradual realization that he was being sidelined.
There is no one more perceptive than a con man. He sensed what was happening. And, if he was sensing the distancing that was occurring, of course, he became furious. In his mind, he was a key player, and there should have been a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. But, there wasn't.

Those people in Seattle who came in contact with him to any extent, had to sense his rising hysterics.
As his opportunities dried up, he must have become increasingly hostile. He wanted what was due him. He did not expect to find doors closing, people turning away in embarrassment, and I have a sinnking feeling that he is not done with them yet. They must be on pins and needles waiting to see what happens next.

He may be reading IA, and see that there are a few attempts to defend him. But Frank knows that these people are not the people with the power, the money. Those doors have already closed to him. I wouln't want to run across him anywhere at this point.


This is a very good analysis of what has been happening to Frank in my opinion.

Frank Sfarzo's email released by Peter H. on Injustice Anywhere reminds me also on tamale/Bettina's statements that she received threatening text messages from Frank Sfarzo after his arrest. The email quoted further above is not an isolated case. It is his habitual way to deal with people who don't agree with him and won't bend over backwards for him.

Maybe that's why he's such good friends with Bruce Fischer? They share the same character traits.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 3:40 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

There is a good deal of irony to be seen here. The Bruce/Sarah/KayPea Group have been very vocal and nasty in their defense of Frank. There are crickets from the Mellas/Knox compound. Nothing. Zero. Zip. We have heard that Frank was a mooch, and that there was a request to remove Knox from Frank's contacts, and that Frank made moves on Knox.
None of this information has been discussed by the Groupies, and the Mellas//Knox camp has said nothing.

When and if Frank's crimes and trials make it to the news, if there are guilty verdicts, and Frank is publicly shown for what he is and has been doing, Bruce, and Group are caught in the headlights for their attacks on Frank's victims. It's all public, and it's all been saved here. The Mellas/Knox group can still plead ignorance to all of the facts presented.
The phone call from Bettina will become a he said/she said piece of gossip. Publicly, a very dim view of the goings-on of IA in attacking the victims can still be presented. The herd will be further thinned.
Think about it, Bruce, you are vehemently defending the man who has made the moves on Knox. You won't be able to backtrack. You are backing the wrong horse in this race.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 3:40 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVI. MAIN DISCUSSION, OCT 31 -   

Nell wrote:
Hi Zorba,

Kermit raises important points in his latest article published on TJMK.

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Having left the country, both the judge who freed “Frank” on bail in November and “Frank” himself should have been more than aware that should “Frank” leave the country – exactly as he seems to have done hours after getting his bailed freedom in November - that he could have serious and lengthy paperwork to prepare should he want to return and face the American justice system?


1) Given that Frank Sfarzo doesn't have any ties to the community and could be considered a flight risk, it is questionable why the judge decided to allow bail in the first place.

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Entering the US if you have an arrest record – as is definitely the case of “Frank” – is difficult and requires much more extensive paperwork than simply filling out the ESTA VWP forms online like an average tourist. Anyone in “Frank’s” situation should have been responsible enough to identify potential problems in returning to the US to face his Domestic Violence charges …

Unless!

2) ...unless the entourage around him (I’m not referring to his court appointed lawyer) felt that in fact the best option of those available is to not have “Frank” go through a difficult trial that could further damage the Knox PR campaign and have a negative impact on upcoming sales of Knox’s memoir “tell all” book and her odds on appeal.

3) or unless the US Rome Embassy or Immigration decided (not at all for the first time) that it would be way cheaper and safer for everybody concerned to simply keep him out.


I agree with Kermit. Sfarzogate has done much damage to the PR campaign in support of Amanda Knox and that is their only concern.

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I think 3.

And 2 is quite obviously the case or else someone would have been there to support him, but now the tables have turned, none of them wished to be associated with an abuser, a bully, a man up on a double assault charge, and then on men this time, ones older than he is.


Frank is a bit slow on the uptake, but when he truly realises his wee crew has abandoned ship, he might start turning his spitefulness towards certain people in Seattle.

I expect he spent all of the holiday period on the phone to Sollecito, telling them they owe him too.

Sollecito is equally a desperado though he is putting on an act of: Look, everything is okay!

in spite of this act, who in their right mind, after getting out of prison the way he did, would go and communicate with a person who is as aggressive as Sfarzo is?

I mean it just goes to show, there's Sollecito saying he is a good boy, and now his best pal is a man who has in less than a month, had almost as many aggressive incidents as dinners.

I think dad is going to want Son Sollecito to stop talking to Sfarzo too.


Sollecito's talking to Sfarzo the way he did openly online instead of in private emails, has backfired on Sollecito, he communicated with Sfarzo online to sort of show off, and yes, he engages with anyone who believes his lies, trying that way to gain credibility, nevertheless, it just shows he does not have a real mind of his own.

It's hard to imagine but seeing that correspondence made me think Sfarzo comes cross as being worse than Sollecito, far more brutal-minded and hard.

This nothwithstanding, Sollecito's game is still an act, so positioning and posturing and the games have to be seen through, in order to get at who the real people are behind the facades they (he and Sfarzo, Knox and anyone else who is fake) construct.

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