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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 11:31 pm   Post subject: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22, 11 - FEB 20, 12   

XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22, 11 - FEB 20, 12






This is the main discussion thread regarding the achievement of truth and justice for Meredith Kercher and her family. Meredith, barely 21 years old, was brutally murdered in her own home on the 1st November 2007 whilst studying in Perugia, Italy.

To read the previous main discussion thread, please view XXII. MAIN DISCUSSION, JAN 22 - SEPT 22, 11

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 11:55 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

We hardly ever hear from this guy, but now we will :) Mister Giancarlo Costagliola. The prosecutor.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:15 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

http://www.tgcom.mediaset.it/cronaca/ar ... bare.shtml
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Mez, defense convinced: this picture nails Rudy

The shot shows the wound that would have procured the man entered the house to steal

16:43 - The defense of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito has no doubts: the wound on the finger of Rudy Guede is evidence that the man crept stealthily into the house through a window, cutting himself with a glass. And that, once discovered by Meredith, killed her. Judged expedited, Guede was sentenced on appeal to 16 years imprisonment.
The picture shows a cut no longer than two centimeters. According to Amanda and Raffaele's lawyers would be entirely compatible with the wound that would have obtained by breaking into the window. A test for the defense lawyers, that the murder has matured as a result of an attempted robbery ended in a bloodbath and that their clients are totally foreign.

Silly little article, but it reminds me of some Knox supporters claiming there was another blood trace on the window sill in Filomena's room. Then of course they would like that to be Rudy's. However, it could well be Meredith's which would fit perfectly with the other 2 traces found in Filomena's room. IMO somebody went into Filomena's room right after the murder and opened the window to see if the police is coming. This means Rudy wasn't lying when he said the shutters were open and he could see Amanda running away. Since no DNA was identified from that tiny trace I can only speculate about it and it has no further meaning.

Before Rudy took off to Germany, he went to his friends to say goodbye. None of them confirmed any cuts on Rudy's hands. A 3rd spot of Meredith (with AK's DNA mixed in one) without any bloody shoe prints of Rudy in that room wouldn't be very good for the defence. Probably most telling of that window sill trace is that I have not heard of any review request from the defence for this trace.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:18 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

Thanks, Stint. But.........I'm still not sure what it means. Does the Prosecution end???

I do want to thank you though, Stint. You are such a star. Always searching for answers and great pics. I so appreciate you. You're a true friend, and kudos to you, for always fighting the good fight. k-(( th-)

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:19 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

Michael, never have understood why it goes to a new thread. Is that a good thing ? :)

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:21 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

Max.. Costagliola? Has he been involved in the case? Any info about that? Thanks...... Because I thought it was Comodi.....

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:29 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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Max.. Costagliola? Has he been involved in the case? Any info about that? Thanks...... Because I thought it was Comodi.....

Yes, both of them. See that is why I thought the man needed some attention ;)

About the rebuttal. I believe both sides get a chance to have their final say. I am not sure if this would be the day that AK will do her 'me, myself and I' speech.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:42 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

I'm assuming Amanda will give her tear jerker right out of the box. She never could STFU.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 3:45 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

I sure hope there is some balanced reporting for this final leg of this appeal. Any more predictions by people trying to influence the masses should be shoved to the trash before it hits the news.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 4:23 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

Popper has posted a summary of the Porta a Porta program on the .org forum. Here is the intriguing part:

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VIDEO Sollecito prosecution points: Rudy accused them in appeal trial saying they were there, PC/mobile phone evidence, lies, contradictions. Reporter speaks of a possible SURPRISE ARGUMENT of PROSECUTION against RS on Friday. Defense arguments: contamination, bra clasp as only scientific element, footprint was that of a shoe belonging to RG, no motive, every page of trial says he is not guilty - according to defense.

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I wonder what it might be ...
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 4:33 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

Hi guermantes. I read that to. Not sure if it is just some rumor or actually based on anything. For a surprise argument, I am looking at what is new now in comparison to the original trial. Maybe something based on those jail birds? I hope not (unless they really have something on Bongiorno for bribing that guy). More interesting would be something that came out of RG's trials. The relationship between RG and RS has always been vague. Yet both of them strongly covered for each other. Why? That would interest me a lot if there would be more information on that.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 4:52 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

The Eurochocolate is coming up in October in Perugia - first one in the list lisked below - where Meredith bought chocolates for her mother four years ago.

http://www.eurochocolate.com/it/ec-eventi.html?

I'll bet that the Foxy Knox is scared out of her wits this morning. This is where the prosecution is going to nail her to the wall for everything besides the DNA contamination question. I don't think it will be pretty.

Perhaps her music video will be about the wiles of a fox blowing in from the north like a sick mistral or like an Alberta Clipper wreaking havoc everywhere, ice storm, power lines down, chaos.

Are we getting the speech this morning? Maybe someone can start playing the Italian National Anthem while she's talking ... a bit like the British National Anthem was playing and Obama started talking ... while standing next to the Queen. At least everyone that doesn't have to listen to Knox's imagined dreams and pretend confusion can step outside for a breath of fresh air! Reporters should stay, especially if they're going to tell us something beyond their speculations, but the victim's lawyer can and should avoid the whinings of a deer in the headlights. Who really cares what she has to say. I'm more interested in what she's wearing and whether she remembered to put on her underwear.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 5:45 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

I remember in the original trial the final plea was just before the verdict. Maybe they can already say something now? I don't know. Since Mignini is not in the lead here I am guessing his arguments will not take 7 hours such as last time :) Comodi will probably do most of the evidence. Mignini some arguments (the key is in Filomena's room). Costagliola will perhaps do the prosecutions appeal? Will be a long day for sure :)
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 5:52 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

max wrote:
I remember in the original trial the final plea was just before the verdict. Maybe they can already say something now? I don't know. Since Mignini is not in the lead here I am guessing his arguments will not take 7 hours such as last time :) Comodi will probably do most of the evidence. Mignini some arguments (the key is in Filomena's room). Costagliola will perhaps do the prosecutions appeal? Will be a long day for sure :)


The more information, the better. So she will try to time the speech for when she thinks the courts are sympathetic, pleading her innocence to reinforce the defence arguments? Does she have to jump up and protest with a speech during the prosecution arguments, or can it come at any time? Can she toss it in just before the deliberations?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 6:08 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

Jester wrote:
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I remember in the original trial the final plea was just before the verdict. Maybe they can already say something now? I don't know. Since Mignini is not in the lead here I am guessing his arguments will not take 7 hours such as last time :) Comodi will probably do most of the evidence. Mignini some arguments (the key is in Filomena's room). Costagliola will perhaps do the prosecutions appeal? Will be a long day for sure :)


The more information, the better. So she will try to time the speech for when she thinks the courts are sympathetic, pleading her innocence to reinforce the defence arguments? Does she have to jump up and protest with a speech during the prosecution arguments, or can it come at any time? Can she toss it in just before the deliberations?

Lol..I think it all goes according to schedule. The original trial had rebuttals one day before verdict, and here as well. On that day, the defendants got the last word with their final plea. The 'please spare my life' and 'i am wearing a mask because i am an assassin' stuff ;)
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 6:28 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

max wrote:
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max wrote:
I remember in the original trial the final plea was just before the verdict. Maybe they can already say something now? I don't know. Since Mignini is not in the lead here I am guessing his arguments will not take 7 hours such as last time :) Comodi will probably do most of the evidence. Mignini some arguments (the key is in Filomena's room). Costagliola will perhaps do the prosecutions appeal? Will be a long day for sure :)


The more information, the better. So she will try to time the speech for when she thinks the courts are sympathetic, pleading her innocence to reinforce the defence arguments? Does she have to jump up and protest with a speech during the prosecution arguments, or can it come at any time? Can she toss it in just before the deliberations?


Lol..I think it all goes according to schedule. The original trial had rebuttals one day before verdict, and here as well. On that day, the defendants got the last word with their final plea. The 'please spare my life' and 'i am wearing a mask because i am an assassin' stuff ;)


Would Knox have to schedule her speach ... couldn't she spontaneously outburst, as is allowed in Italian courts - providing it is civilized?

I can hardly wait ... "I want to live, never mind that my assassin's mask is crooked."

Do people remember the first time they wrote "liar"? I do. It was on the internet and I didn't know how to spell it. Assassin is the same. Until you write it for the first time, you don't really realize that it has double ss throughout. Maybe the headline should read: Foxy Knox with The Mask of an Assassin: I want to Live ~ by Knox, The Mistral; the woman that celebrated her roommate's murder by first declaring, immediately after the murder, that she wanted to write a song and then we hear about the release of a script for a music video four years later. We'll find out in October if that music video worked out for her, and we'll also find out in October if Knox will become a Celebrity or a Prisoner. I'm a little stunned that the US would want to turn a murderer that is trying to get off on a technicality (alleged contaminated forensic evidence) into a celebrity, but anything is possible in the US when it comes to entertainment and news. A penthouse spread would certainly be degrading, and we can be sure that the Penthouse offer is on the table, probably double the price if she'll pose next to Anthony for a Murder Issue.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 6:28 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

Hang on........I think it 's Venice,, with the masks.

C[mon. Hand gestures, wavering voice,,OLD, Been there, done that ........SURPRISE ME!!!!!!

As a pyscopath, let me mirror what I SHOULD DO, thinks Amanda.

Wi;; come down to, how savvy are the judges nw)

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 6:32 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

Yeah, Jester. Special empasis * It was MY FRIEND>>>>>>>>>>> Dont ja know, friends don't kill friends, even though we're jealous of them? PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 6:54 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

Barbie is awake and twittering: "Courtroom already full of cameras in #amandaknox appeal in #perugia"
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 7:04 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

capealadin wrote:
Michael, never have understood why it goes to a new thread. Is that a good thing ? :)


Not as such, just necessary. If you look the bottom of the thread that's only ten pages long you can see nearly all the page numbers of that thread listed at the bottom of it, so to get to one of those pages is just a simple easy click. As soon as the thread gets bigger, but the same amount of numbers listed at the bottom. It means if someone wants to get to a page around the middle of the thread, it involves a hell of a lot of clicking to get to it. Also, in huge threads, it's easier to forget whereabouts something is it. The last thread got huge and for certain reasons, I left it a long time this time.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 7:04 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

Playing the soundtrack for Gone With the Wind for the variety show was pretty funny.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 7:05 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

Barbie:

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#amandaknox mom edda mellas in courtroom.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 7:07 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

max wrote:
Barbie is awake and twittering: "Courtroom already full of cameras in #amandaknox appeal in #perugia"


Even Barbie Nadeau has forgotten about Sollecito? This is not about Knox. That is the name of one of the murderers, but this in not about those murderers ... perhaps Nadeau can give some perspective to the case without the dinner time influences.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 7:13 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

Barbie:

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Official beginning of end game in #amandaknox appeal. Tension high. Networks present. Bloggers scarce.

(Ha...does she mean Frank and the Cook?)

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 7:14 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

Jester wrote:
max wrote:
Barbie is awake and twittering: "Courtroom already full of cameras in #amandaknox appeal in #perugia"


Even Barbie Nadeau has forgotten about Sollecito? This is not about Knox. That is the name of one of the murderers, but this in not about those murderers ... perhaps Nadeau can give some perspective to the case without the dinner time influences.




Well, to be fair, it's Twitter...she has a word limit, she can only fit so many in.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 7:16 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

GOOGLE TRANSLATION:

Process Meredith, tomorrow the word accusation
The appellate ruling in early October
I am hearing and speak for more than half, until Saturday. From Monday to Friday will be the turn of the defense summations Raffaele Sollecito and Amanda Knox


Perugia, September 22, 2011 - will begin tomorrow morning, Prosecutor of the indictment, with Manuela Comfortable and Giuliano Mignini pm, in the process of appeal about the death of Meredith Kercher . According to the roadmap process, the prosecutor will speak for over an audience and a half, until Saturday. From Monday to Friday will be the turn of the defense summations Raffaele Sollecito and Amanda Knox, at first instance sentenced respectively to 25 and 26 years, and he will touch to the civil parties, including the family of Meredith and the owner of the house on Via della Pergola where the English girl was killed.

It therefore comes at the end of an appeals process that has seen twists and reversals in the face. As the expert on DNA prepared by experts chosen by the new Court of Appeal has quashed in no uncertain terms the
scientific methodology used by the experts of the prosecution in the first grade, they had found traces of Amanda and Raffaele's DNA on the knife, the alleged murder weapon , and the hook of the bra of the victim, finding
only 45 days after the murder.

For non-partisan experts of the court of appeal there is no sign of Meredith's DNA on the blade of the knife seized from the kitchen, even if they confirm the presence of the genetic profile of Amanda on the handle. As for Sollecito's DNA on the bra hook, found a strong admixture of other unknown DNA, and this could be a signal of potential contagion of the findings, as has often been feared in the courtroom from the defense.

The accusation, calling his expert witnesses in court, replied point by point to the skill of the second degree , arguing firstly that there are no established scientific standards on the quantity of DNA to be analyzed to identify and name a potential track. Dr. Stefanoni, technical Attorney, explained that he had used the kits and scientific standards have drawn upon a literature study that is the basis of
many processes, where the DNA is the only way to find the culprits.

But in the indictment the prosecutor will not do a DNA backbone of their reconstruction of the night of the murder. In the classroom will resound the words of witnesses who have seen Amanda and Raffaele a few meters from Via della Pergola before the murder, thus denying alibi of the romantic dinner and movies to your computer, confirmed by two former boyfriends.

In addition, the prosecution will use the testimony of the other great investigated and convicted in a final at 16 years for the murder Kercher, Rudy Guede , the Ivorian boy in appeal, urged by the prosecution, said he saw the night of the murder enter the room of Meredith, Amanda and Raffaele, identifying for the first time
urge, whereas before it was generally reported to Italian boy. Guede was, he said, the English girl in the company for an alleged event of a sexual nature, just off the entrance of two young men.

The indictment of the defenses, however, will focus , as already announced by the law, just discussed and the issue of conflicting results of the DNA. To confirm the thesis of the murderer only, exploiting the gaps in the reconstruction of the prosecution, as the lack of witnesses to certify the meeting and the agreement between Amanda, Raffaele and Rudy would be designed to murder.



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They are now reporting that they have found particles from neutrinos traveling faster then the speed of light, at the Large Hadron Colider at CERN. Apparently, it can change all our theories of space/time.

You know what? They shouldn't have bothered. Instead of building that thing, they could have saved themselves billions and sent their physicists to Italy. There, space/time is utterly different to the rest of the known universe. 10 minutes is half an hour...half an hour is an hour.

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Amanda #Knox enters court in Perugia looking very tense. Prosecution source tells me there will b a surprise today.

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Chief prosecutor of perugia making rare appearance to open closing arguments. #amandaknox

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Chief prosecutor says he hopes this jury sees past confusion in #amandaknox appeal.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 7:52 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

GOOGLE TRANSLATION:


Meredith: the word accusation
Reliable evidence for judges, perhaps required a life sentence
September 23, 09:40


PERUGIA - Points to obtain confirmation of the indictment of the system, trusted in the first instance, against Raffaele Sollecito and Amanda Knox for the murder of Meredith Kercher, and a tightening of the sentences imposed, 25 and 26 years in prison, the Perugia prosecutor general which begins today his indictment in the process of second-degree murder in Via della Pergola.

In their notice of appeal judges have in fact requested the exclusion of First Instance granted in extenuating circumstances and the recognition of dell'aggravante trivial reasons. A painting that could also lead to the request for life imprisonment. The indictment will be 'performed by all three judges involved in the trial: the prosecutor Giancarlo Costagliola along with substitutes, applied on appeal to this process, Giuliano Mignini, who led the police investigation from the beginning, and Manuela Comfortable , which has assisted in the first instance.

Sara 'she who attempt to disassemble the conclusions of the report made by the Court of Assizes play of the second degree. The judges appointed by the college have in fact considered''not credible''the results of tests on traces of DNA on the knife found by the scientific deemed the murder weapon (those of Kercher) and the hook of the bra worn by the British student was killed when (its mixed with that of urge). For the experts the results of the college are the result of incorrect interpretations and procedures for which you can not 'exclude the possibility that stem from contamination. Conclusions are not shared by the public prosecutor who has always supported the reliability 'of the work of forensic and data recorded. A comfortable position that the prosecutor emphasize 'and illustrate' the Court.

To obtain confirmation of the responsibility 'of Sollecito and Knox Kercher murder judges will focus also on other evidence. The bloody footprints found in the house and the story of the murder of witnesses, particularly the homeless man who claimed to have seen the night of her young neighbor, and according to which a chilling scream and the sound of footsteps came from house in Via della Pergola just as Meredith was fatally struck in the throat.

At the heart of the indictment, then there will be what the prosecutor believes in the chamber simulated a theft of one of the roommates and the initial statements of Knox blame 'for later denied murdering Patrick Lumumba (Congolese musician' was acquitted and the ' American convicted for slander against him). But even those of Rudy Guede, who is serving a final sentence to 16 years in prison, who has placed the two accused in the murder house. Knox and Sollecito have however claimed to be innocent. Not to have found the house in Via della Pergola when Meredith was killed and not get into anything with a crime for which you are in jail since 6 November 2007. Their defenders will renew at the Court next week after the intervention of the civil parties



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 7:57 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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Jury body language curious in #amandaknox appeal. What does it mean when listener touches his/her face? R they listening or bored?

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 8:12 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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#amandaknox mom edda mellas in courtroom.


What a surprise! I wonder if she'll move to the front of the courtroom and make faces at her daughter again.
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Official beginning of end game in #amandaknox appeal. Tension high. Networks present. Bloggers scarce.

(Ha...does she mean Frank and the Cook?)


Tensions are high? Amongst whom? Knox? Of course tensions are high with Knox ... she's about to be nailed to the wall by the prosecution and that's not going to go over well with the speculation, propaganda opiniion writers who are pretending that this is a done deal. They need the Foxy Knox to be confident in this appeal, but she's not because, well, she can't be because, well, she does sort of remember that night of Nov 1 enough to know that she wants to swear off drugs for the rest of her life - just like Sollecito. It must have been a very bad night.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 8:17 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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Mez process, on the indictment
Raffaele and Amanda in the classroom also




10:09 - It 'started the indictment of the Attorney General in the appeal trial with Raffaele Sollecito and Amanda Knox in Perugia in progress, for the murder of Meredith Kercher. The two defendants, who claim to be innocent, but are serving 25 and 26 years in prison, are both present in the courtroom. The attorney general has requested approval of dell'aggravante trivial reasons for the crime and the exclusion of extenuating circumstances.



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 8:23 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

So, the prosecution are asking not only for the addition of aggravation for trivial reasons....but also the exclusion of all the mitigation.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 8:29 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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Meredith: the word accusation
Reliable evidence for judges, perhaps required a life sentence
September 23, 10:03




PERUGIA - E 'began the indictment of the Prosecutor General in the appeal trial with Raffaele Sollecito and Amanda Knox in Perugia in progress, for the murder of Meredith Kercher.

The two defendants, who are serving 25 and 26 years in prison, are both present in the courtroom. Both claim to be innocent. The attorney general has appealed against the sentence of First Instance, requesting the recognition of dell'aggravante trivial reasons for the crime and the exclusion of extenuating circumstances.

Requests for condemnation of the attorney general could arrive tomorrow. The classroom and hearing 'which is particularly crowded with journalists, photographers and teleoperators not happen as long. Meredith Kercher was wounded in the throat with a knife and murdered in Perugia on the night of November 1, 2007.



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 8:30 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

PaP
This part of a report on last night's Porta a Porta programme on Rai2 about the trial of Knox and Sollecito for the murder of Meredith Kercher.

The rest of the report is about what Kurt Knox had to say, and you will all know what that was without the need of it being reported again.


Friday 23rd October, 2011
MEZ'S MOTHER: "JUSTICE FOR MY DAUGHTER"

"I do not want to ask for anything because evidence is evidence and we would not want the wrong people to be punished. At the same time, however, we ask for justice for what happened to my daughter. The justice which she deserves." This is what the mother of Meredith Kercher said, in a link during the recording of the TV programme Porta a Porta, broadcast yesterday evening on Rai1, explaining what she expects from the second stage sentence which should be pronounced by the Appeal Court of the Assizes of Perugia by the end of the month or at the beginning of October. "I really do not succeed in understanding why the evidence risks having no value any more. We are not experts - Meredith's mother added - we must trust in the police and in the judges of the Court, but we had experts too."

So many questions on the reliability of the tests on the DNA according to the sister of the student killed in Perugia. "It's very difficult for us to understand how the result can be changed so much - she declared - however there is all the other evidence, the other 10 thousand pages of evidence to be considered. Therefore we must put our trust in the police and in the judges of the Court - she added - and hope that they can arrive at the truth, with the DNA evidence and also with the other [evidence] in order to have justice for us and for Mez."
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 8:31 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

Thanks Tiziano :)

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 8:34 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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Prosecutor telling jury that #rudyguede DID know #amandaknox and #meredithkercher before murder.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 8:39 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

From yesterday. GOOGLE TRANSLATION:


Mez, defense convinced: this picture nails Rudy
The shot shows the wound that would have procured the man entered the house to steal





16:43 - The defense of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito has no doubts: the wound on the finger of Rudy Guede is evidence that the man crept stealthily into the house through a window, cutting himself with a glass. And that, once discovered by Meredith, killed her . Judged expedited, Guede was sentenced on appeal to 16 years imprisonment.
The picture shows a cut no longer than two centimeters. According to Amanda and Raffaele's lawyers would be entirely compatible with the wound that would have obtained by breaking into the window. A test for the defense lawyers that the murder was developed following an attempted robbery ended in a bloodbath and that their clients are totally foreign.



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 8:48 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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Perugia, September 23 (Adnkronos) - At the opening hearing of the appeal trial of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito, in the first instance convicted for the murder of Meredith Kercher, in which the prosecution will begin 'his indictment, the prosecutor spoke General Attorney General John Gal of Perugia.

And I'''seemed to be duly informed about this process - he said - I am here to witness my full support to all issues raised by my colleagues. I especially hope that the court's decision is the result of a clear comparison between the parties.''

As for the report took place in the second degree, the attorney general has spoken of''obvious gaps and unsolicited praise''made by the experts. He is currently talking to the Assistant Attorney General Giancarlo Costagliola, will take 'the word then, the public prosecutor Giuliano Mignini. Hearings are scheduled for tomorrow, Monday 'and Tuesday'. The sentence 'expected by the end of next week.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 9:00 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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Prosecutor going through THEIR version of crime: #meredithkercher phone found in garden, staged break-in, #amandaknox involvement.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 9:04 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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Mez process, on the indictment of the Prosecutor
Perugia, Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito in the courtroom. The prosecution has requested approval of dell'aggravante trivial reasons, and the exclusion of extenuating circumstances


Everything on the Mez's death
10:50 - It 'started the indictment of the Attorney General in the appeal trial with Raffaele Sollecito and Amanda Knox in Perugia in progress, for the murder of Meredith Kercher. The two defendants, who claim to be innocent, but are serving 25 and 26 years in prison, are both present in the courtroom. The attorney general has requested approval of dell'aggravante trivial reasons for the crime and the exclusion of extenuating circumstances.
Attorney: "Conclusions new skill gaps and unfounded"
The new attorney general of Perugia, John Gal, expressed his "full support" to all questions raised by prosecutors in the appeal trial with Raffaele Sollecito and Amanda Knox 's murder of Meredith Kercher. In particular, spoke of the challenge to the Galatians pm on the report, made ​​to play by the Court of Assizes of Appeal, following the traces of DNA which he called "unreliable" the scientific results obtained by the police. "Full adherence to all the questions - said the magistrate, who has recently assumed the leadership of the Office - in particular those related to the new report whose conclusions are unfounded and has obvious deficiencies. I hope that the decision is the result of a clear comparison between the parties. "



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 9:06 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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Prosecutor talking about bra clasp, says it IS #sollecito dna, talking about #amandaknox phone call to mom in middle of night.

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Prosecutor Costagliola summing up in #amandaknox appeal. Frequent references to Rudy Guede cassation ruling that he did not act alone.


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Prosecutor says it WAS #amandaknox bare footprint outside #meredithkercher door found W/luminol from blood.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 9:11 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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Perugia, September 23 (Adnkronos) -''To deny the presence of DNA of Meredith Kercher, and Raffaele Sollecito on the knife and hook, and 'a falsification of the scientific reality'''. The Attorney General said in his indictment in Costagliola Giancarlo Court of Appeal to Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito of expertise held by professors talking Vecchiotti Carla and Stefano Conti, which is put in doubt the work of forensics.

According to the indictment''- continued Costagliola - the attribution of the DNA to Meredith and Sollecito and 'absolutely secure, but also when the court was not absolutely sure, can not' do not consider it a so serious evidence 'as there are many others.''

This pg''- said the prosecutor - that reaffirms ctu (professors Vecchiotti Carla and Stefano Conti, ed) refused without any reason to analyze traces highlighted on the knife, which in 2007 were not analyzed because they 'did not exist suitable machinery.''



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 9:17 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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Lame attempt by prosecution to give cred to homeless curatolo as reliable witness in #amandaknox appeal.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 9:21 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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Resuming the Meredith murder trial in Amanda and Raffaele
The two defendants in the courtroom
the new Attorney General of Perugia, John Galatians: "And 'scientific falsification of reality to deny the existence of Meredith's DNA on the knife and Sollecito and the hook"


Perugia, September 23, 2011 - It 'again with the indictment of the prosecutor, Giancarlo Costagliola, the trial before the Assize Court of Appeal in Perugia Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito , convicted at first instance and 25 to 26 years in prison for 'Murder of Meredith Kercher . The two defendants in the courtroom. The indictments are expected to continue until tomorrow. So plaintiffs and defense. The ruling could come already 'at the end of September or early October.

He wanted to "witness" his "full support to all issues raised by colleagues as" the new Attorney General of Perugia, Giovanni Galati , this morning, and 'presented for a few minutes in the classroom
where he is conducting the trial of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito to the murder of Meredith Kercher. Sitting next to the deputy attorney general, Giancarlo Costagliola, Galati took the floor before the Court and stating that 'look' duty to "inquire about the proceeding. "I'm here to witness my full support to all issues raised by colleagues - he said - in particular as regards the skill."

And just in relation to the expertise held by the consultants appointed by the Court, on the hook of the bra worn by the victim at the time of the murder and the charge on the knife found the murder weapon, Galatians spoke of "obvious deficiencies" and "not compliment required ".

"I hope that the decision of the Court - concluded the attorney general - is the result of a clear comparison between the parties."

For the Attorney General Giancarlo Costagliola, Antonio Curatolo, and the witness' to be considered "in the story accurately and fully trusted" when he says he saw Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito
together on the evening of the crime, the streets Grimana a few meters from the house Via della Pergola a. He said during his indictment before the Court of Assizes of Appeal in Perugia that is processing the two former sweethearts for the murder of Meredith Kercher.

"Curatolo - Costagliola said - he saw with absolute certainty the defendants on November 1, 2007. It can not 'have seen them on 31,' cause from the other two were not together." So the attack on the work done by experts appointed by the Court of Assizes of Appeal Perugia to perform new tests on traces of DNA on the clasp of the bra worn by the victim at the time del'omicidio knife held by the prosecution and the murder weapon , and that has clearly rejected the scientific work carried out by the police. "And 'scientific falsification of reality' - said Costagliola - denying the existence of the DNA of Meredith and urge the knife and the hook." After talking about " serious clues of guilt against the accused, "the deputy
attorney general has announced its intention to renew the request for a new genetic survey. Request already 'rejected by the Court before closing the investigation hearing.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 9:39 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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Court breaking for half an hour in #amandaknox appeal

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 9:44 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

Edda is outside the court telling any reporter that will listen, how wonderful Amanda is.

(she was just on Sky News [TV])

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 9:48 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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Perugia, September 23 (Adnkronos) -''He spoke heads and shiny credibilissimo''the Attorney General referring to Anthony Curatolo Giancarlo Costagliola, the homeless man who said he saw Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito together near the murder house on Via della Pergola the evening of the murder at a time compatible.

The deputy prosecutor, said as he retraced the texts that the defense was led by Raffaele Sollecito to deny the same Curatolo Curatolo and concluded by saying that it remains credible. Some inaccuracies of his story because, like the one that has seen former sweethearts on Halloween, would not be according to the prosecutor, the decisive circumstances, compared to his version of the fixed points, such as the one in the morning after seeing them there Police and police in the square where he slept.



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 9:48 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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Prosecutor blasts spin making "everyone feel like parents of #amandaknox," urges jurors to imagine feeling like #meredithkercher parents.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 9:55 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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Prosecutor in #amandaknox appeal read dryly nearly 2 hrs from prepared notes. Jurors seemed tired. Mignini next after 30 min break.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 9:58 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 - From Court   

COSTAGLIOLA

FROM THIS REPORT:

Giancarlo Costagliola says that Curatolo is "precise in his account and fully reliable" when he says that he saw AK & RS together on the evening of the crime in Piazza Grimana.
"Curatolo saw the two ex-lovers with absolute certainty on the 1st November, 2007. He could not have seen them on the 31st, because, among other things, the two were not together."
Then he attacks the work of C/V:
"It is scientific falsification of reality to deny the existence of Meredith's DNA and of Sollecito's on the knife & the bra clasp."
He speaks of "serious indications of guilt weighing on the accused".
He announced his intention of renewing the request for another genetic expert report.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:02 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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Courtroom filling up again in #amandaknox appeal, cameras jostling for space. View and audio much better from upstairs press room.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:04 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 - From Court   

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COSTAGLIOLA

FROM THIS REPORT:

Giancarlo Costagliola says that Curatolo is "precise in his account and fully reliable" when he says that he saw AK & RS together on the evening of the crime in Piazza Grimana.
"Curatolo saw the two ex-lovers with absolute certainty on the 1st November, 2007. He could not have seen them on the 31st, because, among other things, the two were not together."
Then he attacks the work of C/V:
"It is scientific falsification of reality to deny the existence of Meredith's DNA and of Sollecito's on the knife & the bra clasp."
He speaks of "serious indications of guilt weighing on the accused".
He announced his intention of renewing the request for another genetic expert report.



Sounds to me like he's making it known that the prosecution intend to take that request to the High Court.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:05 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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In Perugia for the closing arguments. Prosecutor started off weak but picked up steam as he listed evidence against Knox + Sollecito.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:10 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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Perugia, September 23 - (Adnkronos) -''In deciding the sentence for judges hope you will feel a little 'parents of Meredith Kercher, a young discreet and serious, that these good kids from good families are prevented from living.'' The Attorney General said in conclusion Giancarlo Costagliola of his indictment at the trial of appeal against being held in Perugia Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito to the murder of British student Meredith Kercher.

According to the magistrate''in fact, there 'was an almost obsessive campaign by the media, the press and national television, which brought out the spectators all a bit like the parents of Amanda and Raffaele, good kids from good families kept in prison for the fury of the prosecution.''



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:15 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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#amandaknox is back in court.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:19 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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Im following just too knackered to write, up all nite, translating art of association, how tedious and how long it takes, 10 times longer than most other stuff, thought I'd never finish.

don't appreciate Vogt or Barbie talking like they are in America, after all this time, and then actually living in Italy, you'd think they'd grasp that there are NO juries in Italy.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:22 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -From Court   

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"E' falsificazione scientifica della realtà negare l'esistenza del Dna di Meredith e di Sollecito sul coltello e sul gancetto"

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The new Prosecutor General of Perugia, Giovanni Galati spoke briefly in Court in support of his colleagues.
He wished to "witness his complete support of all the matters raised by his colleagues, in particular as far as the expert report is concerned."
Seated next to the deputy Prosecutor General, Giancarlo Costagliola, Galati spoke before the Court affirming that it had seemed "his duty" to inform himself on the proceedings in course.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:31 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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Costagliola was pretty bland in his delivery, jury has battle fatigue and its only day 1. #amandaknox

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It amazes me that they let #amandaknox sit for so long with cameras on her the whole time. Why don't they bring her out at last minute?

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Court back in session in #amandaknox case. judge talking schedule

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Bongiorno talking now about schedule. She wants to deliver Sollecito arguments Tuesday. #amandaknox

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:33 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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Civil party gets all of Monday for closing arguments, Sollecito gets all of Tuesday. #amandaknox


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Judge does not want to deliberate Saturday night. #amandaknox


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Bongiorno says close this thing Friday, Saturday and Monday


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Calendar discussed but nothing written in stone quite yet.


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#Mignini up, has a scratchy throat. #amandaknox


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Mignini also focusing on media's role in case laments interviews he's given, tells jury that it's their job to ignore the spin. #amandaknox

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:35 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

zorba wrote:
Im following just too knackered to write, up all nite, translating art of association, how tedious and how long it takes, 10 times longer than most other stuff, thought I'd never finish.

don't appreciate Vogt or Barbie talking like they are in America, after all this time, and then actually living in Italy, you'd think they'd grasp that there are NO juries in Italy.



It's so their Twitter followers can understand. Most of American public don't get the concept of judges rather then a jury...even when explained to them 50 times.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:37 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -From Court   

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GALATI

"E' falsificazione scientifica della realtà negare l'esistenza del Dna di Meredith e di Sollecito sul coltello e sul gancetto"

Perugia, 23 settembre 2011


FROM THIS REPORT:
The new Prosecutor General of Perugia, Giovanni Galati spoke briefly in Court in support of his colleagues.
He wished to "witness his complete support of all the matters raised by his colleagues, in particular as far as the expert report is concerned."
Seated next to the deputy Prosecutor General, Giancarlo Costagliola, Galati spoke before the Court affirming that it had seemed "his duty" to inform himself on the proceedings in course.


Prosecution have brought in their big guns for this. Not just the Deputy Prosecutor General, but the Prosecutor General himself...who wasn't even handling this case. Maybe that's the surprise?

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:38 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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Mignini goes nationalistic, tells jury this is the Italian Republic, tells jury not to buckle under (implied)American pressure.#amandaknox

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:42 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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Experts superficial, medium innocent for the guilty accused Amanda and Raffaele

Perugia, 23/9/2011
Hard, harsh, direct. The Attorney General Giancarlo Costagliola this morning attacked head-on the findings of the expert opinion in the Court of Appeal DNA of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito to the murder of Meredith. untrusted Witness E '"credible and reliable", moreover, the homeless man who claims to have seen Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito, not far from the murder house on the evening of 1 November 2007, when Meredith Kercher was killed.


The hope of the father of Amanda
Curt Knox, Amanda's father, hopes that new DNA tests could help his daughter to overturn his conviction for murder. Konx spoke on the sidelines of today's hearing of the appeal process, thanking the appeals court in Perugia to have given way to new tests.
Look innocent
but Costagliola described the skill of the experts of the Court "the result of a test
surface and the air of innocent people. " The Attorney General also spoke of the "absolute necessity" to the analysis of traces of DNA detected by
experts of the Court by the prosecution on the knife found the murder weapon. "An examination made ​​by experts but no-Costagliola said - although it was the first question put by the Court."
Experts who falsify reality
"to deny the presence of DNA of Meredith Kercher, and Raffaele Sollecito on the knife and hook, is a falsification of scientific reality." said the prosecutor still attacking the expertise held by professors Vecchiotti Carla and Stefano Conti, is put into question the scientific work of the police. "This pg - said the prosecutor - that reaffirms ctu (professors Vecchiotti Carla and Stefano Conti, ed) refused without any reason to analyze traces highlighted on the knife, which in 2007 were not analyzed because 'there was no machinery suitable ".
Clue serious even though the DNA testing was not unique
"According to the indictment - has continued Costagliola - assignment and Sollecito's DNA in Meredith is absolutely secure, but also when the court was not absolutely sure, can not but regard it as a so serious evidence 'as there are many others. "
Put yourself in the shoes of the parents of Meredith
"I would like to decide, you judges you feel a little 'parents of Meredith Kercher, a young discreet and serious that these good kids from good families are prevented from living," said the deputy prosecutor General Giancarlo Costagliola, ending his indictment before the Court of Assizes of
Appeal of Perugia. For Costagliola "there was an almost obsessive campaign by the media, the press and television that made ​​the audience feel a bit like all parents of Amanda and Raffaele, two boys from good families kept in prison for the fury of Attorney ".



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:43 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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Mignini says #amandaknox and #meredithkercher were at home the long weekend of November 1, 2007.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:44 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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Mignini says #amandaknox blamed Patrick #lumumba because he was a "colored man".

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:47 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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"Feel a little parents Mez"
the appeal judges PM

In Perugia during the appeal process to Raffaele Sollecito and Amanda Knox, at first instance sentenced respectively to 25 and 26 years. Both claim to be innocent. The prosecution requests may arrive tomorrowPERUGIA - "I hope you decide you feel a little 'parents of Meredith Kercher, a serious girl and discreet to which Amanda and Raffaele did not allow to live." So the Attorney General Giancarlo Costagliola addressed the judges of the Court of Assizes of Appeal of Perugia and in the course of his submissions during the appeal process to Raffaele Sollecito and Amanda Knox, being held in Perugia, the ' murder of Meredith Kercher. For the magistrate, "there was an obsessive campaign, especially by Italian newspaper and television, which brought out all the parents of Amanda and Raffaele, two boys from good families kept in prison by the obstinacy of Attorney ". "I hope instead - Costagliola concluded - in deciding that you feel a little 'Meredith's parents." The two defendants, who are serving 25 and 26 years in prison, both in the courtroom, he proclaimed innocent. The attorney general has appealed against the sentence of First Instance, requesting the recognition of dell'aggravante trivial reasons for the crime and the exclusion of extenuating circumstances. Requests for condemnation of the attorney general could arrive tomorrow. Meredith Kercher was wounded in the throat with a knife and murdered in Perugia on the night of November 1, 2007.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:49 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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Mignini cites supreme court's on #rudyguede that he acted together with others, including #amandaknox even tho supr ct. did NOT name Knox.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:57 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -Repubblica   

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PROCESSO KERCHER
"Sentitevi un po' i genitori di Mez" - l'appello del pm ai giudici
"Put yourselves a little in the place Mez's parents" - the appeal of the prosecutors to the judges.

PERUGIA - "I hope that in deciding you will listen a little to the parents of Meredith Kercher, a serious, discreet girl whom Amanda and Raffaele prevented from living," Giancarlo Costagliola addressed the judges.

For the him "there has been an obsessive campaign, in particular by Italian newspapers and TV, which has made heard all the parents of Amanda & Raffaele, two young people from good families held in prison by the obstinacy of the Prosecution. I hope on the other hand that in deciding you will listen a little to the parents of Meredith."
The Prosecution has appealed against the sentence of the first stage, asking for the recognition of the aggravation of frivolous motives fro the crime and the exclusion of the generic attenuating [circumstances]. The request for the finding of guilty could come tomorrow.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:57 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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Mignini asks "where were their experts" when Stefanoni made all these mistakes? They were there, why didn't they say something. @amandaknox

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It amazes me that they let #amandaknox sit for so long with cameras on her the whole time. Why don't they bring her out at last minute?


Barbie Nadeau seems to have become very protective of Amanda Knox (all of a sudden). Last time she worried if Amanda Knox was offered enough water during the proceedings.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:59 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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Mignini playing entertainer, trying to keep jury interested, certainly keeping press room more attentive than his colleague. #amandaknox

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 11:06 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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Meredith, the new attorney general Perugia: gaps in valuations
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PERUGIA (Reuters) - The appeal trial for the murder of British student Meredith Kercher, whose decision could come next week, the new attorney general of Perugia, Giovanni Galati, said today that the conclusions of recent expert reports as "baseless and have obvious deficiencies. "

Galatians - who expressed "full support" to the work done by prosecutors Perugini - he referred in particular to the latest surveys on the knife and the hook of the bra, the conclusions to him as "baseless and have obvious deficiencies."

For the killing of Meredith - who died in the night between 1 and 2 November 2007 in Perugia - were convicted at first instance Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito, 26 and 25 years respectively in prison.

A few months ago, the consultants of the Court of Appeals had ruled that the findings made were unreliable on the blade of the knife that killed Meredith and those would be on the hook of the bra of the girl, key evidence in the trial against Knox and Sollecito.

The two - who have always declared innocent - are now in court this morning where he began the prosecution of the indictments, which followed in the coming days, the harangues defensive and then the replicas.

Amanda is presented in the classroom with dark trousers and pink blouse, her face tried and tired, wearing a light shirt Raphael has seemed more relaxed and smiled to lawyers and family members.

Later, Giancarlo Costagliola, the attorney general has followed the entire process of Appeals, has begun to examine the evidence acquired in the appeal process.



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 11:09 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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Meredith: the word accusation
Reliable evidence for judges, perhaps required a life sentence
September 23, 12:36


PERUGIA - E 'began the indictment of the Prosecutor General in the appeal trial with Raffaele Sollecito and Amanda Knox in Perugia in progress, for the murder of Meredith Kercher.

The two defendants, who are serving 25 and 26 years in prison, are both present in the courtroom. Both claim to be innocent. The attorney general has appealed against the sentence of First Instance, requesting the recognition of dell'aggravante trivial reasons for the crime and the exclusion of extenuating circumstances.

Requests for condemnation of the attorney general could arrive tomorrow. The classroom and hearing 'which is particularly crowded with journalists, photographers and teleoperators not happen as long. Meredith Kercher was wounded in the throat with a knife and murdered in Perugia on the night of November 1, 2007.

PG, OBVIOUS GAPS IN EXPERTISE TRACKS DNA - has expressed his "full support" to all questions raised by prosecutors in the appeal trial with Raffaele Sollecito and Amanda Knox for the murder of Meredith Kercher, in particular those related to "new survey" carried out on the trail of DNA made ​​by the Court of Assizes of Appeal, the new attorney general of Perugia, Giovanni Galati. The magistrate who has recently assumed the leadership of the Office has presented this morning in the classroom alongside his colleagues engaged in the indictment. "Full membership of all the issues - said the prosecutor - in particular those related to the new report whose conclusions are unfounded and has obvious deficiencies. I hope that the decision is the result of a clear comparison between the parties." The expertise on the traces of DNA called "unreliable" the scientific results obtained by the police. But the findings were disputed by prosecutors. The first to speak for the indictment was the deputy prosecutor Giancarlo Costagliola which addressed the legal issues and began to examine the evidence acquired during the appeal process.

PM ATTACK REPORT CONCLUSIONS DNA - E '"credible and reliable" the homeless man who claims to have seen Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito, not far from the murder house on the evening of 1 November 2007, when Meredith Kercher was killed. He supported the Attorney General Giancarlo Costagliola a first strike that led to the conclusions of the expert opinion on DNA. "It 'a falsification of scientific fact - said the judge - denied the existence of Kercher's DNA on the knife and Sollecito (considered to be the murder weapon - ed) and the hook of bra (worn by the British student was killed when - ed). " Costagliola explained that the genetic issues will be explored by the prosecutor Manuela Comfortable. He also announced that the Attorney General renewed the request in its conclusions, already rejected by the Court, a new genetic survey. Regarding the testimony of Curatolo, Costagliola called "clear" his story. "The homeless man - the judge said - he saw with absolute certainty the defendants on the evening of November 1." The Attorney General has defined Costagliola expertise on the traces of DNA, "the result of a superficial examination and look innocent." According to him c 'is therefore the "absolute necessity" to analyze the traces on the knife identified by experts appointed by the Court. "An examination by experts but not done - Costagliola said - although it was the first question put by the Court."

PM TO JUDGES FEEL A LITTLE 'MEZ PARENTS '- "I hope you decide you feel a little' parents of Meredith Kercher, a serious girl and discreet to which Amanda and Raffaele have impeded from living" the Assistant Attorney General Giancarlo Costagliola he is addressing the judges of the Assize Court of Appeals of Perugia and in the course of his indictment. According to the judge "there was an obsessive campaign, in particular by Italian newspapers and television, which brought out all of the parents of Amanda and Raffaele, two boys from good families kept in prison by the obstinacy of the Prosecutor." "I hope instead - Costagliola concluded - in deciding that you feel a little 'Meredith's parents."



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 11:10 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 11:10 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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#amandaknox appeal. Mignini on the clasp: Contamination is possible. So is an earthquake. But contamination with what? How? Where? When?


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Mignini:Meredith's jacket found in the cloths hamper was actually id'd as part of evidence early on, contradicting media reports.#amandaknox

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Thanks everybody for the latest updates!!


Knox trial: prosecutors sum up their case
By ALESSANDRA RIZZO
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"However, in court, Costagliola argued that the original finding could stand and said the review amounted to "a scientific falsification of the truth." Even when accepting some of the criticism in the review, he said, the jury should at least consider the traces of DNA evidence as strong clues incriminating the defendants, if not full-fledged evidence."

(I believe that's what you call common sense?)
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 11:16 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

Rai

Some quotes from the Rai report:

Periti superficiali, media innocentisti: per l'accusa Amanda e Raffaele colpevoli
Superficial experts, pro-innocent media: Amanda & Raffaele are guilty according to the Prosecution.

Perugia, 23-09-2011

Extremely hard, pungent, direct. The Deputy Prosecutor General Giancarlo Costagliola this morning attacked the conclusions of the expert report on the DNA ...

He characterised the report of experts of the Court as "[the] fruit of a superficial and pro-innocence examination"
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 11:17 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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Mignini wants to show autopsy photos in court, discussion about whether to close court to public/press. #amandaknox


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Court closed to press while autopsy photos are shown. Still audio in press room though. #amandaknox


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Closing hearing to public in #amandaknox appeal to show video of crime scene. Press room audio-video still working.

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Showing crime scene video, Mignini describing how the break-in was staged. #amandaknox

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 11:23 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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Mignini:staged crime scene most important part of the case in #amandaknox hearing, showing bathroom rug, says it is #sollecito's footprint.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 11:24 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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Meredith Murder: Mignini am, I still remember staring Mez
Last Updated: September 23, 13:15


Perugia, September 23 (Adnkronos) -''I still remember staring eyes of this girl, I have been impressed and I will bring them 'back to life.'' He said the public prosecutor Giuliano Mignini at the opening today of his indictment hearing in the appeal process to Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito to the murder of British student Meredith Kercher in Perugia in progress.



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 11:30 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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#amandaknox lawyer objects to Mignini showing the famous kiss.


BLNadeau Barbie Latza Nadeau
From press room @amandaknox looks stressed out, camera on her face momentarily.


Andrea:

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Mignini shows jury picture of knox-sollecito kissing outside via della pergola. Knox lawyer Objects

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Perugia, September 23 (Adnkronos) -''I still remember staring eyes of this girl, I have been impressed and I will bring them 'back to life.'' He said the public prosecutor Giuliano Mignini at the opening today of his indictment hearing in the appeal process to Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito to the murder of British student Meredith Kercher in Perugia in progress.

The judge, who followed the investigation from the very first time after the murder of Meredith Kercher, also spoke of''forgetting''the figure of Meredith,''made even more 'intolerable media exaltation of who sits in the dock defendants.'' The magistrate also stated that he heard a statement of the Judge,''a statement that surprised me - he specified - ie 'in this process that the only certain fact is the death of Meredith Kercher.''

The judge then pointed out that''instead of something like 32 judges, for various reasons, accepted the justification of the thesis indictment against Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito. The prosecutor first - he continued - at that time would not hesitate a moment to ask the store if she felt, as I did for Patrick.''



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 11:35 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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Jury now looking at knife wounds on #meredithkercher body. #amandaknox


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 11:36 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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#amandaknox lawyer objects to Mignini showing the famous kiss.


BLNadeau Barbie Latza Nadeau
From press room @amandaknox looks stressed out, camera on her face momentarily.


Andrea:

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Mignini shows jury picture of knox-sollecito kissing outside via della pergola. Knox lawyer Objects


Maybe I'm showing my lack of understanding of legal cases, but I don't understand why Knox's lawyer would object to the showing of that photo (especially after its been shown as the tweets suggest). It's proving that it is a sensitive subject for them isn't it?
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Perugia, September 23 (Adnkronos) - The ruling of appeal for the trial of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito, in the first instance convicted for the murder of Meredith Kercher, should arrive by Monday, 'Oct. 3. Tomorrow the prosecution will end 'his indictment Monday' will 'the turn of the calendar, Tuesday' will take 'the word in defense of Knox.

Wednesday 'and' provided a break for unavailability 'of the classroom. Thursday 'will touch' Raffaele Sollecito's defense. Following the replicas and the sentence.



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 11:39 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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Meredith and Raphael in the courtroom in Perugia for the indictments Attorney
The prosecution denies report on the DNA of bra hook and knife


Pink blouse and black coat for Amanda Knox, shirt and jacket fantasy Raffaele Sollecito clear: the two are in the classroom, in the Court of Assizes of Perugia, for a new hearing of the appeal trial for the murder of Meredith Kercher. It is the day the indictment of the Attorney General, who has appealed against the decision at first instance, which sentenced the two to 26 and 25 years in prison, demanding the recognition of dell'aggravante trivial reasons for the crime and the exclusion of extenuating circumstances. In the new attorney general to intervene in Perugia, John Galati and the Assistant Attorney General Giancarlo Costagliola, both critical of the new report on traces of DNA prepared by the Court on the bra hook and the knife given the murder weapon. The indictments will continue in the coming days after the indictment, it is the time plaintiffs and defense. The sentence as scheduled the hearings should arrive in early October.



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Meredith, PM: Avro 'always with me, his eyes wide open
Shame on you forgetting, exaltation media defendants
September 23, 13:11


(ANSA) - Perugia, 23 SET -''I'm still wide-eyed in the memory of Meredith. I will bring them 'in forever''to remember the murder victim in Via della Pergola and' was Giuliano Mignini, the deputy prosecutor who coordinated the start, in place, the police investigation. The prosecutor spoke of a''process''media,''fiction'', which is parallel to and 'played in the classroom,''with most of the media who have taken a position contrary to the accusation.'' C'''has been an absolute and shameful neglect''with''the victim fell on the exaltation of the two media in the dock today,''said Mignini. (ANSA).



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 11:49 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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#amandaknox lawyer objects to Mignini showing the famous kiss.


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From press room @amandaknox looks stressed out, camera on her face momentarily.


Andrea:

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Mignini shows jury picture of knox-sollecito kissing outside via della pergola. Knox lawyer Objects


Maybe I'm showing my lack of understanding of legal cases, but I don't understand why Knox's lawyer would object to the showing of that photo (especially after its been shown as the tweets suggest). It's proving that it is a sensitive subject for them isn't it?



Of course it is. That's why the FOAKERS, Melloxes and Knox friendly media keep going on about how meaningless it is. The lady doth protest too much.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 11:56 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

Andrea:

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#amandaknox prosecutor Giuliano Mignini to jury: every one of us has a dark side.


Barbie:

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Mig back to Curatolo testimony, trying to bolster the bum's testimony. #amandaknox

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Mignini talking about #cbsnews investigation and interviews with Nara about the scream. #amandaknox

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Mig back to Curatolo testimony, trying to bolster the bum's testimony. #amandaknox


I start to heavily dislike Barbie Nadeau's reporting, because she cannot manage to report a fact objectively. If there's something wrong with Curatolo's testimony, say so. Stay neutral in your language. What reason is there to call this man a bum? Homeless man would have been suffice.

I am so happy I didn't buy her book.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:03 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

GREAT Updates

Thank you Michael and others

Just a quick lighter note to ease tensions

Did anyone else notice the report that when Frank Sfarzo, the FOA Superstar, appeared today, he was immediately hauled away by Police to settle his fines for his previous infractions of.......biting the hand of a policeman

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:07 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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Mig back to Curatolo testimony, trying to bolster the bum's testimony. #amandaknox


I start to heavily dislike Barbie Nadeau's reporting, because she cannot manage to report a fact objectively. If there's something wrong with Curatolo's testimony, say so. Stay neutral in your language. What reason is there to call this man a bum? Homeless man would have been suffice.

I am so happy I didn't buy her book.


Nell, I am heartily in agreement. I don't like this twittering, I'm afraid. It is so superficial.
But BLN has certainly let her prejudices show loud & clear today. She has gone right down in my
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:09 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

GOOGLE TRANSLATION:


"I will always remember the staring eyes of Mez"
The prosecutor Mignini against forgetting where Meredith precipitated
The prosecutor Giuliano Mignini has pointed out that''instead of something like 32 judges, for various reasons, accepted the justification of the thesis indictment against Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito


Perugia, September 23, 2011 The forgetfulness that has surrounded the figure of Meredith Kercher in contrast with the exaltation of media that has fallen on him instead of Amanda and Raffaele. This is the opinion of the prosecutor Mignini that Giuliani said:''I still remember staring eyes of this girl, I have been impressed and I'll bring them back for all my life.''
The magistrate at the opening today of his indictment hearing in the appeal process to Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito to the murder of British student Meredith Kercher in Perugia in progress, said he heard a statement of the Judge ' 'a statement which made ​​me wonder - has stated - that in this process, the only certain fact is the death of Meredith Kercher.'' The prosecutor Giuliano Mignini has pointed out that''instead of something like 32 judges, for various reasons, accepted the justification of the thesis indictment against Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito. The prosecutor first - he continued - at that time would not hesitate a moment to ask the store if she felt, as I did for Patrick.''



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GREAT Updates

Thank you Michael and others

Just a quick lighter note to ease tensions

Did anyone else notice the report that when Frank Sfarzo, the FOA Superstar, appeared today, he was immediately hauled away by Police to settle his fines for his previous infractions of.......biting the hand of a policeman

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:11 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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Mig back to Curatolo testimony, trying to bolster the bum's testimony. #amandaknox


I start to heavily dislike Barbie Nadeau's reporting, because she cannot manage to report a fact objectively. If there's something wrong with Curatolo's testimony, say so. Stay neutral in your language. What reason is there to call this man a bum? Homeless man would have been suffice.

I am so happy I didn't buy her book.



I must say, I didn't like how she referred to him either. There's an element of cruelty in it.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:12 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

stint7 wrote:
GREAT Updates

Thank you Michael and others

Just a quick lighter note to ease tensions

Did anyone else notice the report that when Frank Sfarzo, the FOA Superstar, appeared today, he was immediately hauled away by Police to settle his fines for his previous infractions of.......biting the hand of a policeman

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Where can I read more about it?

Barbie Nadeau twittered "Bloggers scarce". I was wondering if that meant that Sfarzo wasn't there. What other bloggers are there?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:12 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

stint7 wrote:
GREAT Updates

Thank you Michael and others

Just a quick lighter note to ease tensions

Did anyone else notice the report that when Frank Sfarzo, the FOA Superstar, appeared today, he was immediately hauled away by Police to settle his fines for his previous infractions of.......biting the hand of a policeman

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Where is that report....could we have it over here?

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:14 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

Barbie:

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Mig: #amandaknox collapsed during now-famous lengthy interrogation out of guilt, not pressure, he says. SHE said his name first, not us.


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Lunch break in #amandaknox trial.


BLNadeau Barbie Latza Nadeau
#amandaknox appeal hearing reconvenes at 3:15pm Perugia local time.

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I start to heavily dislike Barbie Nadeau's reporting, because she cannot manage to report a fact objectively. If there's something wrong with Curatolo's testimony, say so. Stay neutral in your language. What reason is there to call this man a bum? Homeless man would have been suffice.

I am so happy I didn't buy her book.


I totally agree with you Nell. The tone she sometimes uses jars with me too.
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Mig back to Curatolo testimony, trying to bolster the bum's testimony. #amandaknox


I start to heavily dislike Barbie Nadeau's reporting, because she cannot manage to report a fact objectively. If there's something wrong with Curatolo's testimony, say so. Stay neutral in your language. What reason is there to call this man a bum? Homeless man would have been suffice.




I agree, very bad choice of word and completely unnecessary.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:23 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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Mig back to Curatolo testimony, trying to bolster the bum's testimony. #amandaknox


I start to heavily dislike Barbie Nadeau's reporting, because she cannot manage to report a fact objectively. If there's something wrong with Curatolo's testimony, say so. Stay neutral in your language. What reason is there to call this man a bum? Homeless man would have been suffice.

I am so happy I didn't buy her book.


Nell, I am heartily in agreement. I don't like this twittering, I'm afraid. It is so superficial.
But BLN has certainly let her prejudices show loud & clear today. She has gone right down in my
opinion.



I noticed she lately refers to Edda Mellas often as "mom", "Amanda's mom" or today "mom Edda Mellas" instead of simply referring to her as "Edda Mellas". She did that while twittering during the last court hearing as well. She's trying to make up for her former articles, it almost seems like she is looking for forgiveness from the Melloxes.

She said on Twitter that she was still reporting objectively, but that the facts were changing, with an obvious hint to the independent experts report.

It's all business. Barbie Nadeau fears she won't get an interview if Amanda Knox is acquitted on appeal.

I just need them to report the facts. I don't mind them expressing their personal opinion, but this doesn't extend to insults. I enjoyed her tweets as much as reading an article from Candace Dempsey.

If Andrea Vogt would twitter just a little bit more during the hearings, I would have taken Barbie Nadeau already off my list.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:23 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

Nell wrote:
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GREAT Updates

Thank you Michael and others

Just a quick lighter note to ease tensions

Did anyone else notice the report that when Frank Sfarzo, the FOA Superstar, appeared today, he was immediately hauled away by Police to settle his fines for his previous infractions of.......biting the hand of a policeman

What a guy
Where do they get such men



Where can I read more about it?

Barbie Nadeau twittered "Bloggers scarce". I was wondering if that meant that Sfarzo wasn't there. What other bloggers are there?


The Cook...Charlie Wilkes...oh, and the retired motor vehicle accident forensic guy.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:27 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

abc video, not very interesting but with a few more pictures from today.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/amanda- ... n-14588634

Only new information: Amanda barely smiled at her family today.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:29 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

Michael wrote:
GOOGLE TRANSLATION:


"I will always remember the staring eyes of Mez"
The prosecutor Mignini against forgetting where Meredith precipitated
The prosecutor Giuliano Mignini has pointed out that''instead of something like 32 judges, for various reasons, accepted the justification of the thesis indictment against Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito


Perugia, September 23, 2011 The forgetfulness that has surrounded the figure of Meredith Kercher in contrast with the exaltation of media that has fallen on him instead of Amanda and Raffaele. This is the opinion of the prosecutor Mignini that Giuliani said:''I still remember staring eyes of this girl, I have been impressed and I'll bring them back for all my life.''
The magistrate at the opening today of his indictment hearing in the appeal process to Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito to the murder of British student Meredith Kercher in Perugia in progress, said he heard a statement of the Judge ' 'a statement which made ​​me wonder - has stated - that in this process, the only certain fact is the death of Meredith Kercher.'' The prosecutor Giuliano Mignini has pointed out that''instead of something like 32 judges, for various reasons, accepted the justification of the thesis indictment against Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito. The prosecutor first - he continued - at that time would not hesitate a moment to ask the store if she felt, as I did for Patrick.''



LA NAZIONE

Just a few sentences from the article toimprove on poor old Mr Google.

"I will always remember the wide-open eyes of Meredith"

"I still remember the wide-open eyes of this girl, they have remained imprinted on me and I will carry them with me all my life."

Mignini says that he had heard the reporting judge make "an affirmation which amazed me - that is that in this trial the only certain fact is the death of Meredith Kercher."

Mignini made the point that instead "something like 32 judges have, at various stages, recognised the legitimacy of the prosecution thesis against AK & RS."

He also said he would never have hesitated to ask for the withdrawal of the charges at the time if he had believed so, as he he did for Patrick.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:34 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

Michael wrote:
Nell wrote:
stint7 wrote:
GREAT Updates

Thank you Michael and others

Just a quick lighter note to ease tensions

Did anyone else notice the report that when Frank Sfarzo, the FOA Superstar, appeared today, he was immediately hauled away by Police to settle his fines for his previous infractions of.......biting the hand of a policeman

What a guy
Where do they get such men



Where can I read more about it?

Barbie Nadeau twittered "Bloggers scarce". I was wondering if that meant that Sfarzo wasn't there. What other bloggers are there?


The Cook...Charlie Wilkes...oh, and the retired motor vehicle accident forensic guy.



Thanks Michael for making me laugh!

I had completely forgotten about them. I didn't even know that any of them would regularly attend the hearings. We know that Candace Dempsey showed up only a few times. Has that changed in the appeal?

I didn't know Charlie Wilkes would attend the hearings.

Who is the motor vehicle accident guy? Sounds promising.

Do any of them speak Italian? Probably not required for their kind of reporting.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:36 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

Michael wrote:
stint7 wrote:
GREAT Updates

Thank you Michael and others

Just a quick lighter note to ease tensions

Did anyone else notice the report that when Frank Sfarzo, the FOA Superstar, appeared today, he was immediately hauled away by Police to settle his fines for his previous infractions of.......biting the hand of a policeman

What a guy
Where do they get such men



Where is that report....could we have it over here?


This is as I mentioned, a report
Personally, I am aware that anybody can blog anything
I treat this report with appropriate credibility
But IMHO it was funny, even if not very reliable...... yet
Good for a chuckle during Court lunch break

h9 originally posted this on .org with comment about "comedian"
The original blog has apparently been "sanitized" and biting hand part now removed (slander concerns ??)


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:40 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

Nell wrote:
stint7 wrote:
GREAT Updates

Thank you Michael and others

Just a quick lighter note to ease tensions

Did anyone else notice the report that when Frank Sfarzo, the FOA Superstar, appeared today, he was immediately hauled away by Police to settle his fines for his previous infractions of.......biting the hand of a policeman

What a guy
Where do they get such men



Where can I read more about it?
Barbie Nadeau twittered "Bloggers scarce". I was wondering if that meant that Sfarzo wasn't there. What other bloggers are there?


Nell, there is a character (in Court?) on the scene twittering away (he is quite a TWIT himself). He's called "Morsels".
He tweeted: Sfarzo had to pay a large fine from his last run-in with the police.
And: Sfarzo says he's OK. They grabbed him and took him to pay 450 euro for an incident a year ago when his mouth bit a cop's fist.

If you get on line you can follow the tweets of this genius.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:42 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

Nell wrote:
Michael wrote:
Nell wrote:
stint7 wrote:
GREAT Updates

Thank you Michael and others

Just a quick lighter note to ease tensions

Did anyone else notice the report that when Frank Sfarzo, the FOA Superstar, appeared today, he was immediately hauled away by Police to settle his fines for his previous infractions of.......biting the hand of a policeman

What a guy
Where do they get such men



Where can I read more about it?

Barbie Nadeau twittered "Bloggers scarce". I was wondering if that meant that Sfarzo wasn't there. What other bloggers are there?


The Cook...Charlie Wilkes...oh, and the retired motor vehicle accident forensic guy.



Thanks Michael for making me laugh!

I had completely forgotten about them. I didn't even know that any of them would regularly attend the hearings. We know that Candace Dempsey showed up only a few times. Has that changed in the appeal?

I didn't know Charlie Wilkes would attend the hearings.

Who is the motor vehicle accident guy? Sounds promising.

Do any of them speak Italian? Probably not required for their kind of reporting.



Well, they don't. The Cook has been two or three times and not to any of the appeal hearings as far as I know...Wilkes has been to Perugia but has probably never attended an actual hearing and the ex-pat forensic guy...he has been claiming that he's been attending the appeals. I don't believe any of them speak Italian.

I think Barbie's tweet was mainly as a dig against Sfarzo...if it's true he's been hauled away.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:44 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

Courtney Walsh Tweets:

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Prosecutor Mignini complains of Nazi-like tactics used by defense to discredit police experts. Lunch break now.


Andrea:

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#amandaknox prosecutor invokes Voltaire, Latin, and "noted Nazi propaganda minister" in first half of closing args. Never a dull moment.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:46 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

Tiziano wrote:
Nell wrote:
stint7 wrote:
GREAT Updates

Thank you Michael and others

Just a quick lighter note to ease tensions

Did anyone else notice the report that when Frank Sfarzo, the FOA Superstar, appeared today, he was immediately hauled away by Police to settle his fines for his previous infractions of.......biting the hand of a policeman

What a guy
Where do they get such men



Where can I read more about it?
Barbie Nadeau twittered "Bloggers scarce". I was wondering if that meant that Sfarzo wasn't there. What other bloggers are there?


Nell, there is a character (in Court?) on the scene twittering away (he is quite a TWIT himself). He's called "Morsels".
He tweeted: Sfarzo had to pay a large fine from his last run-in with the police.
And: Sfarzo says he's OK. They grabbed him and took him to pay 450 euro for an incident a year ago when his mouth bit a cop's fist.

If you get on line you can follow the tweets of this genius.



That's hilarious!

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:46 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

U.S. student Amanda Knox's murder appeal nears end (video)

http://www.reuters.com/video/2011/09/23 ... oChannel=1


Interviews with Edda Mellas and John Follain (author of Death in Perugia).
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:48 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

Stint7 - Thanks for bringing the Sfarzo thing over.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:48 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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He (Prosecutor) also said he would never have hesitated to ask for the withdrawal of the charges at the time if he had believed so, as he he did for Patrick.


Thanks, Tiz.

That is an often overlooked difference between Italy's Inquisitorial system and what most of us are accustomed to.
The Prosecuror is duty bound to ask for acquittal if at any time he sees evidence that could justify reasonable doubt.
IMHO very significant that even the Attorney General today agreed completely with Prosecution's handling of case to date.
Judge Hellmann has to take note of that affirmation from above
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:05 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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U.S. student Amanda Knox's murder appeal nears end (video)

http://www.reuters.com/video/2011/09/23 ... oChannel=1


Interviews with Edda Mellas and John Follain (author of Death in Perugia).


Are there any lawyers out there to listen to what Follain says re possible future trials.
Does not sound correct to me.

I choked on my SavBlanc listening to that frightful woman.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:07 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

Barbie:

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Cameras starting to file back into the courtroom in Perugia for afternoon session of #amandaknox appeal in #Perugia.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:11 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

Whilst waiting for news, worth having a look at: http://www.michelegiuttari.com/asp/home.asp

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:11 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

Hi Cape:
Those eyes (windows to the soul) are still the same today.
The stylist handler's soft earthy innocent pastel pink blouse cannot overcome what the eyes say to you............Right ??

Also anyone else notice the hair appears to have been recently washed and blow dried.
Quite a contrast to her appearance after "best truth she could remember" hair story about her morning after shower/blow dry


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:21 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

wtf)

What is it with Barbie!! she seems to be trying to get accepted by the FOA and knox's family with all these knox friendly tweets ffs.

Plus that picture of knox looking straight at the camera, it makes me cringe she looks pure evil :twisted:

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:25 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

robitwitt Roberto Tallei

Sudo, corro, mi scapicollo. E non capisco proprio come l'anchor della Cnn in diretta accanto a me possa essere così fresco e perfettino.

Now here's a Tweeter who doesn't know what "twit" means!!!! His tag is "robitwitt"!!!!!!!!

Love his message too: I'm sweating, I'm running, I'm throwing myself into things. And I really don't know how the anchorman from CNN on air next to me can be so fresh and perfectly turned out.

He obviously doesn't need a coat!


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:32 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

Tweeted by John Hooper:


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#Knox. Emotive closing address from prosecutor Mignini. Compared defence tactics to those of Goebbels & showed jury grisly crime scene video

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:34 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

While we wait for some serious news, a morsel from Morsels:
morsels morsels
For the non-Italian speakers, Amanda's trial is like sitting through a never-ending Bar Mitzvah. Prosecution trying to discredit experts...

I've only ever been to one Bar Mitzvah and it was great fun. Lots and lots of booze and food and dancing.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:39 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

Amanda Knox Summations Have Gruesome Start

By PHOEBE NATANSON
PERUGIA, Italy Sept. 223, 2011

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(2 Pages)

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:40 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

Barbie:

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@#amandaknox appeal hearing back in session at 3:35pm. Mignini continues his closing arguments.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:45 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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MEREDITH: BONGIORNO, FRAGILE AND INCONSISTENT TOPICS FROM PM


September 23, 2011 15:44

(AGI) - Perugia, September 23 - He spoke of arguments "weak and inconsistent" one of the lawyers for Raffaele Sollecito, the lawyer Giulia Bongiorno, commenting to reporters earlier today the indictments of the Attorney General Giancarlo Costagliola and Giuliano Mignini am in the process of appeal to Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito to the murder of Meredith Kercher.
"The indictment of today - the lawyer said - seems to me that some records 'a swing by the prosecution. Up to now, and' always and only talked about DNA. Now that the report showed that this DNA is not 'attributed to Raffaele and Amanda we focus on other issues that had set aside the same charge. " "Even - he continued - is pulled out as a sort of great trial for Guede statement of allegations that, as you know, 'and been held accountable for this in our grounds of appeal have kept their distance. It seems a little' a admission of a weakness, that makes you 'you should recycle arguments rather weak and fragile. " In relation to statements the prosecutor Mignini that the media would have deployed in recent months in favor of the defense, the lawyer Bongiorno said that "as always happens at the beginning of the investigation that alleged perpetrators are guilty, however, seem at all costs. " "The problem - he concluded - and 'see the end of the process and, as in this case, the process documenting the foreignness' of the accused, God forbid that we should make note of this fact. If anything, and' abnormal at first it takes for those who actually guilty 'and' only suspect. " (AGI)


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:50 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

Morsels:

morsels morsels
Update: sfarzo says hes ok. They grabbed him and took him in to pay 450 euro for an incident 1 yr ago when his mouth bit a cops fist #italy

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:50 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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U.S. student Amanda Knox's murder appeal nears end (video)

http://www.reuters.com/video/2011/09/23 ... oChannel=1


Interviews with Edda Mellas and John Follain (author of Death in Perugia).


Are there any lawyers out there to listen to what Follain says re possible future trials.
Does not sound correct to me.

I choked on my SavBlanc listening to that frightful woman.


It didn't sound correct to me either.
And yes, Edda seems to be living on a different planet.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:51 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

Unfortunately/fortunately I'm unable to view that video.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:54 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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Meredith Murder: Bongiorno, twirl the prosecution, recycled arguments weak
Last Updated: September 23, 15:42 hours


Perugia, September 23 - (Adnkronos) -''The indictment of today shows a turnaround of the prosecution. Until now, and 'always spoke exclusively of DNA, now that the report showed that this DNA is not' attributed to Raffaele and Amanda we focus on quite different issues.'' The lawyer Giulia Bongiorno said during a break at the hearing of the appeal trial Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito to the murder of British student Meredith Kercher.



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 2:04 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

@Michael, on John Follain

He said in case of a conviction there will be another trial that will go all the way up to the Rome Supreme Court which may itself order a new appeal trial before a different court.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 2:13 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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@Michael, on John Follain

He said in case of a conviction there will be another trial that will go all the way up to the Rome Supreme Court which may itself order a new appeal trial before a different court.



Thanks Ava. I think he means third degree appeal. It is possible that the High Court could order a new trial...it's one possible eventuality. But in that event, unless the prosecution can find a way to keep her in the country, it would be in absentia.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 2:15 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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He resisted arrest? Ha! Hope he didn't bite anyone :)

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 2:17 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

This is from an English-language article published at SPIRE FM

On Friday the hearing began with Perugia's chief prosecutor Giovanni Galati making a statement to the court in which he backed his team and the original investigators, saying he had his "full faith" in the original findings.

He added: "The conclusions of the report are unfounded and are full of holes."

Prosecutors said they had ''an ace up their sleeve'' but refused to reveal any details, although their claims were dismissed by defence lawyers.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 2:18 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 2:36 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 - Appeal   

Timetable according to Corriere della Sera:

Corriere

Saturday 24th: Prosecution Summing Up continues

Monday 26th: Civil parties

Tuesday 27th: Knox Defence

Wednesday 28th: No hearing

Thursday 29th: Sollecito Defence

Friday 30th/Saturday Oct 1st: Rebuttals

Monday Oct. 3rd Deliberations and Sentence
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 2:36 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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Mignini going on about pesky journalists stirring up things in the #amandaknox investigation. How much evidence was found by the press?


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Italian press gossiping in press room: Mignini is on page 60 of a 200 page document... going to be a very long afternoon.. #amandaknox


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Mignini reminds jury that #amandaknox kept a vibrator and condom in bathroom. Vibrator was not the murder weapon... pandering to press?

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 2:39 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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Sideshow in #amandaknox trial: blogger Frank Sfarzo pulled away forcibly 4 outstanding fine. #excessive


Barbie Nadeau calls the treatment Frank Sfarzo was subjected to by police excessive.

Frank Sfarzo is a piece of garbage and defending him is as low as one can get in my opinion. The world seems to go in reverse.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 2:39 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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Sideshow in #amandaknox trial: blogger Frank Sfarzo pulled away forcibly 4 outstanding fine. #excessive

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 2:46 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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Sideshow in #amandaknox trial: blogger Frank Sfarzo pulled away forcibly 4 outstanding fine. #excessive


Barbie Nadeau calls the treatment Frank Sfarzo was subjected to by police excessive.

Frank Sfarzo is a piece of garbage and defending him is as low as one can get in my opinion. The world seems to go in reverse.



Well, Barbie herself said he resisted...so if he's refusing to go with them, what are the police supposed to do? Give up and go home? He had outstanding fines that he hadn't been paying...the police arrest you for non-payment of fines.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 2:52 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

This is who "Morsels" is:

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 3:03 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

Melloxes' predictable reaction to the prosecution's final argument:

Knox's stepfather slams prosecutors for 'crazy lies'

Perugia, Italy - Amanda Knox's stepfather slammed the prosecution for telling "crazy lies" on Friday, in the final stretch of an appeal against her conviction for the murder of her British housemate.

Prosecutors urged jurors not to be swayed by "an obsessive media campaign" which risked distorting the case, but stepfather Chris Mellas dismissed the prosecution's summing up as "a farce."

Knox entered the packed court looking anxious, and did not even stop to greet her parents and friends.

Dressed in dark trousers and a pink top, the 24-year old pinched her brow and kept her head low as she sat across from the jury and the prosecution began an intense two days of final arguments.

Mellas said Amanda was "under a lot of pressure" because "it's so near the end now and the crazy lies are difficult to deal with."

But he added: "We really hope that she'll be freed. It's a matter of days."

Chief prosecutor Giovanni Galati stood first to address the jury and called on them "to look past the confusion surrounding the appeal."

Fellow prosecutor Giancarlo Costagliola asked the court to keep in their thoughts the family of British student Meredith Kercher, whose family is expected in court on Monday.

He said the "obsessive media campaign" made "everyone feel like the parents of Amanda Knox" and asked the jury to "feel like the parents of Meredith Kercher."

As dozens of camera crews and photographers crowded each other for pictures of Knox, Costagliola warned the jury not to be swayed by the "fiction" conjured up an "unbearable" media coverage.

"The parallel mediatic trial is not reality, when you withdraw to consult and decide on a verdict you must remember that reality is what you hear here in the court," he said.

But Mellas said the prosecution's summing up was "a farce" because many of the witnesses listed by the prosecutor as having testified against Amanda "have already been completely discredited in the first trial."


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 3:20 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

Poor Franco Sfarzo:

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Blogger takent to police station and made to pay 450 euro fine related to the last time the Perugia police beat him up, blamed him. Nice.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 3:26 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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Mignini talking about mixed blood, Sollecito footprint. Says #amandaknox testified that there was no blood in bathroom night before murder meaning she "dated" the blood.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 3:26 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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@Michael, on John Follain

He said in case of a conviction there will be another trial that will go all the way up to the Rome Supreme Court which may itself order a new appeal trial before a different court.



Thanks Ava. I think he means third degree appeal. It is possible that the High Court could order a new trial...it's one possible eventuality. But in that event, unless the prosecution can find a way to keep her in the country, it would be in absentia.



Thanks!
That new trial would follow an acquittal then, I assume? (for her to be able to leave the country)
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 3:28 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

court room scenes... (video)

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 3:30 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 3:35 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

I don't think Mignini was comparing Knox to Goebbels! Nick Squires is just trying to grab readers' attention with a provocative headline. ss)

Knox compared to Goebbels by prosecutors

Amanda Knox was compared to Nazi Joseph Goebbels as Italian prosecutors said her conviction for murdering Meredith Kercher should be upheld.

By Nick Squires, Perugia
4:09PM BST 23 Sep 2011

Giuliano Mignini, the chief prosecutor in the case, accused the American in an Italian court on Friday of slandering police by saying that they hit her during an all-night interrogation, and of also slandering an innocent man by wrongly claiming that he killed Miss Kercher.
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"In this trial, slander has found a home, starting from that of Knox in respect of Lumumba and the police. Slander, slander and some of it will stick. It's what the noted propaganda minister of the Nazis used to say in the 1930s," Mr Mignini told the appeals court in Perugia.

He seemed to be referring to one of Goebbels's best known quotes: "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it."


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 3:39 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

Ava wrote:
Michael wrote:
Ava wrote:
@Michael, on John Follain

He said in case of a conviction there will be another trial that will go all the way up to the Rome Supreme Court which may itself order a new appeal trial before a different court.



Thanks Ava. I think he means third degree appeal. It is possible that the High Court could order a new trial...it's one possible eventuality. But in that event, unless the prosecution can find a way to keep her in the country, it would be in absentia.



Thanks!
That new trial would follow an acquittal then, I assume? (for her to be able to leave the country)



Potentially, the High Court can order a retrial in response to either side appealing, either the prosecution if they lose this appeal, or the defence if they lose it. It is a highly unlikely eventuality though.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 3:40 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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Mignini quoting "Amanda's words" 2 try 2 show her changing alibi and conflicting stories in the early days of the investigation.@amandaknox

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 3:55 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

John Hooper and Nick Squires probably got together at lunchtime and agreed to use the same headline

Amanda Knox lawyers accused of 'Nazi tactics'

Prosecutor Giuliano Mignini describes Knox team's criticism of Italy's national police forensic service and its findings as slander

John Hooper in Perugia
Friday 23 September 2011 16.22 BST

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 3:56 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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Perugia prosecutor at the court: parents feel Mez. Judgement no later than October 3

Last Updated: September 23, 17:35 hours
Perugia - (Adnkronos) - The Attorney General Costagliola at the end of his tirade:''In deciding the sentence for judges hope you will feel a little 'parents of Meredith Kercher , a young discreet and serious, that these good guys have prevented a good family to live.'' The lawyer. Bongiorno:''turnaround''of the prosecution


Perugia, September 23 (Adnkronos) -''In deciding the sentence for judges hope you will feel a little 'parents of Meredith Kercher, a young discreet and serious, that these good kids from good families are prevented from living.'' Said Assistant Attorney General Giancarlo Costagliola In conclusion of his submissions to the appeal process under way in Perugia against Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito to the murder of British student Meredith Kercher.
According to the magistrate,''there has been a nearly obsessive campaign by the media, the press and national television, which brought out the spectators all a bit 'as the parents of Amanda and Raffaele, good kids from good families must in prison for the fury of the prosecution.''
Costagliola then spoke of ''heads''lucid and credibilissimo referring to Antonio Curatolo , a homeless man who said he saw Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito together near the murder house on Via della Pergola in the evening of the murder at a time compatible.
Deny''the presence of DNA of Meredith Kercher, and Raffaele Sollecito on the knife and hook - also stressed the deputy attorney general is talking about the skill in which questioned the scientific work of the police - it is a falsification of scientific fact.''
After Costagliola spoke the prosecutor Giuliano Mignini . ''I still remember staring eyes of this girl, I have been impressed and I'll bring them back for all my life,''said the prosecutor. The judge, who followed the investigation from the first moments after the murder of Meredith, also spoke of''forgetting''of the victim,''made even more intolerable by the exaltation of the media who sits in the dock ' '.
The indictment''of today recorded a swing of the prosecution. Until now it has always spoken exclusively of DNA, now that the report showed that this DNA can not be attributed to Raffaele and Amanda we focus on quite different issues,''said the lawyer Giulia Bongiorno, who advocates urge with Luca Maori, during a break in the hearing .
The ruling of appeal for the trial of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito, in the first instance sentenced for the murder of Meredith Kercher, should arrive no later than Monday, October 3 . Tomorrow the prosecution will finish his summing up on Monday will be the turn of the plaintiff, will speak Tuesday in defense of Knox. Wednesday there will be a pause, because of unavailability of the classroom. Thursday it will be the defending Raffaele Sollecito. Following the replicas and the sentence.



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 3:58 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

Courtney Walsh:

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Prosecutor Mignini heats up as he lists evidence against Knox, rehashing all the points covered in first trial.


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Prosecutor says he doesn't want "poor black boy"(in this case Rudy) to get the blame as always


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Amanda Knox lawyers accused of 'Nazi tactics' gu.com/p/325kd/tf

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 4:00 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

Andrea:


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Prosecutor mignini wraps #amandaknox trial, says Knox, sollecito, guede all guilty. "Young man of color shouldn't be the only one to pay."



Courtney Walsh:

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Prosecutor Mignini says never in his 32 years has he heard of TV networks buying tickets for defendents in xchange 4 interviews


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#amandaknox supporters outside courthouse have more cameras trailing them than a reality tv family.

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#AmandaKnox mum just told me her daughter looked stressed: "listening to people talking horrible lies is difficult"

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Accusation #AmandaKnox has done lucrative deal for an exclusive interview "total fabrication" according Edda Mellas, her mom



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PM Manuela Comodi will be handling prosecution summing up tomorrow, with a focus on the scientific evidence.

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Perugia, September 23 - (Adnkronos) -''Those who have followed this story as I live very beginning, never had any doubt about the responsibility 'of the two defendants.'' He said the public prosecutor Giuliano Mignini at the close of his indictment this afternoon. The hearing will resume 'tomorrow morning.

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Michael wrote:

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Prosecutor Mignini says never in his 32 years has he heard of TV networks buying tickets for defendents in xchange 4 interviews




Could anyone tell me when this information came out, and what network he is referring to?
I must have missed it when it was discussed here.
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Elizabeth Vargas' lot. Shortly before the end of the trial, they bought the Knox family and Amanda a ticket home in return for first interview of Knox. The Melloxes stood on the court steps and declared 'they' had bought Knox a ticket so hopeful they were she would be acquitted...which was a lie and purely a move of emotional blackmail. Knox was convicted, so Vargas had to settle for second prize which was first interview with Curt and Deana Knox after the verdict.

A week or so ago, reports came out that a US network had offered Knox and her family, if acquitted in the appeal, a private jet home. And I'm guessing, that was the same network that bought the ticket during the main trial...it seems to be their favourite method of interview payment...

You see, there's a rule against media paying for news interviews. So, it seems they get around it by offering expensive gifts and paying expenses instead.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 5:21 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

Michael wrote:
Elizabeth Vargas' lot. Shortly before the end of the trial, they bought the Knox family and Amanda a ticket home in return for first interview of Knox. The Melloxes stood on the court steps and declared 'they' had bought Knox a ticket so hopeful they were she would be acquitted...which was a lie and purely a move of emotional blackmail.

A week or so ago, reports came out that a US network had offered Knox and her family, if acquitted in the appeal, a private jet home. And I'm guessing, that was the same network that bought the ticket during the main trial...it seems to be their favourite method of interview payment...



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 5:25 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

And of course, the journalist from the network would be on the jet too...getting their exclusive first dibs interview with Foxy Knoxy! :)

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 5:31 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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MEREDITH: REMINDER, TRUST IN THE COURT OF APPEAL


September 23, 2011 19:18

(AGI) - Perugia, September 23 - "I have confidence in the Court of Appeal and finally in what is coming out after so many years." And 'what Raffaele Sollecito wrote in a note delivered to one of his lawyers, the lawyer Luca Maori, to comment on the hearing today and the indictment of the judiciary. "I always said the foreignness' of me and Amanda to the alleged offenses - Sollecito wrote - and what 's going on and that' the proof that we tell the truth '. Each study does is confirm what' we say. Theories prosecution is only their personal ideas. "(AGI)



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MEREDITH: KNOX MOTHER, THESE HORRIBLE THINGS TO STRESSFUL DAY

September 23, 2011 19:18

(AGI) - Perugia, September 23 - "Today, and 'was a stressful day for Amanda,' cause he heard some horrible things about her that are not true." So 'the mother of Amanda Knox, Edda Mellas has assisted in the courtroom today, along with former husband, Curt Knox, the indictment of the judiciary in the process to the youth of Seattle and Raffaele Sollecito to the murder of Meredith Kercher. Today in the classroom were also sisters of Amanda. "We know this and that 'a phase of the process that we face and finally reaches the conclusion," he then said Edda Mellas, whereby pm today "did not present anything new." (AGI)



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MEREDITH: KERCHER LEGAL, COURT HAS ACQUIRED EVIDENCE


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(AGI) - Perugia, September 23 - "In recent months we have spoken only of two scientific surveys: the hook and the knife.
Finally today, the prosecutors have shown in a comprehensive and satisfactory most of the elements that are part of the fabric of evidence on which and 'based the decision at first able. " So 'the plaintiff's attorney Kercher family, Francesco Maresca, speaking to reporters after the hearing today and commenting on the indictments of the Attorney General, Giancarlo Costagliola and Giuliano Mignini am in the process to Knox and Aamanda Raffaele Sollecito to the murder of Meredith Kercher. "I believe that the Court of Appeal was able to capture all the concepts that are the acts that are available to them to decide, then calmly," concluded the lawyer Maresca. (AGI)



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 5:35 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 5:37 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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Mig back to Curatolo testimony, trying to bolster the bum's testimony. #amandaknox


I start to heavily dislike Barbie Nadeau's reporting, because she cannot manage to report a fact objectively. If there's something wrong with Curatolo's testimony, say so. Stay neutral in your language. What reason is there to call this man a bum? Homeless man would have been suffice.

I am so happy I didn't buy her book.


Exactly my thoughts Nell

I was just going to say I'm now taking a serious disliking to her. Sounds like she is having an affair with Pisa becuse her stuff has become very much full of crap.


She has no experience of law except for this case, her comments on non-existent jurors, well of course they are fatigued it's a constant when having to deal with court for ANYONE.

Duk, and did I say, DUH?

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 5:38 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

This translation is a little clearer. GOOGLE TRANS:


Perugia, September 23 - (Adnkronos) -''I've finally been explained most of the elements that are part of the fabric of evidence on which and 'the basis for the decision at first instance.'' Said plaintiff's lawyer Francesco Maresca at the end of the hearing today.

''In recent months we have spoken only of two scientific findings - said the lawyer - on hook and knife. Finally today, the prosecutors have explained everything there 'in the process and I think the Court has been able to acquire all the information and decide calmly.''



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 5:45 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

It's strange the Melloxes and Bongiorno are declaring the prosecution didn't introduce anything new, as their means of dismissal of their summing up. The prosecution are NOT ALLOWED to introduce new evidence. Only the defence are permitted to introduce new evidence.

This is a fantastic example of a lawyer that knows how to spin. Understand a legal point, but know the public don't and use that against them (both public and opponents) to win a victory. So, know that the prosecution can't introduce new evidence under the legal rules...then go out to the media and tell them the prosecution line is worthless because they introduced nothing new. Truly, a politician at work.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 6:16 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

The Knox Crew sound threatening to me, everything about them is so much so, like that, when the first verdict was read out, verbal abuse, it had always been there, the aggression, that moment gave them the opportunity to out it. Then this; the whole family and the supporters are hitting Perugia, well the hitting may turn ot to be literally. Mr Knox, to me, he comes across as a frightening looking person.

What I think is that when the verdict goes against Knox, court officials and police will need bodyguards.

It's true, they have been using pure propaganda techniques, this KEEP saying....

I reckon it's what Marriot directs.
Like talking as if everything is a done deal and that only the stuff those last two university practising science people is important, when what they formulated already has been shot full of holes, as what they said was based on sandy ground, they failed to substantiate their findings.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 8:17 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

Google Translate Guide


Sollecito= Urge, etc = Sollecito. I would urge him indeed to tell the truth for once
Comodi= comfortable = Comodi is an Italian name = a female Prosecutor, practising in Italy,

Comodi is there indeed to make things UNcomfortable for murderers and liars and the like

Aula = Classroom = Courtroom

Palazzo di giustizia = courthouse

Colpevole = guilty

Colpa = guilt

Innocente = innocent

Innocenza = innocence

Disonesto = dishonest

Malvagio = wicked

Brutto = ugly (as in wicked too, after all this word is derived from what Brutus and chums did, I would define Knox, Sollecito & Guede as truly ''brutto'''

Bambi = a little deer, a fictive character, in Italy used in satire, to ridicule those who are anything BUT innocent.

Mother Mellas is so proud of the jailors taking the piss out of her daughter by calling her bambi, it's what people use in Italy to describe mafia members.
For mother enjoys repeating what they say about the American with the cold eyes: Ah carina, e bambi no!?
Mother is always right.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 8:25 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

There was quite a good report about today’s hearing on the BBC radio 1 teatime news broadcast in the uk, some good factual reporting of the facts.

Only thing that spoiled it was when they had a short interview with Edda at the end when the interviewer said to her that Meredith had been all but forgotten and that she was the victim, Edda’s reply was yes she agreed that Meredith had been forgotten and that she was the first victim but that Amanda & Raffia were victims no2.

What a incredibly nasty hurtful vindictive thing to say, this woman is the lowest of the low, despicable!! fc-))

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 8:28 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

Something just occurred to me. It's been a really odd day (with the court) and I've been trying to put my finger on what it is. I suppose what's made it odd, is that it's been one single side's day...a prosecution day. It's a rare event....normally all sides are chipping in throughout the process. It'll be the same tomorrow and all the following days from now until rebuttals. But that's not all, because that said, we still heard from Sollecito's lawyers during the break and after the hearing. We heard from Maresca after the hearing. But, something was missing. Knox's lawyers have been very quiet. Instead, Knox's family have been very loud. Did they tell Knox's lawyers to shut up...that 'they' will do all media 'handling'?

I very much suspect that if there is any level the Knox family are unhappy with their Italian lawyers, it is with their handling of the media. They want lawyers that will go out and make accusations against the prosecution (rather then try to calm them), they want them to make bold statements, they want aggression. They want lawyers like Bongiorno that love the media and specialise in spin. But old school lawyers like Ghirga aren't up for that...he's a silly old fuddy duddy that thinks practicing law should be about, well...law. So, the Knox's have come over and hijacked the stage from their lawyers to do what they won't/can't.

This was exactly the kind of stuff PM Mignini was alluding to in court today...the aggressive bombastic campaigning, using the media as a weapon. It staggers me that PM Mignini and the senior prosecutor raised this in the court room today...and right after, the Melloxes went straight outside and continued in exactly the same way, gathering all the reporters around for them to attack the case.

For four years the Melloxes have been embroiled in this case on a daily basis, living and breathing it, living in the country close to their daughter...but they still haven't learned a damned thing about Italy. I'm in...'awe'.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 8:30 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 8:35 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

jeffski wrote:
There was quite a good report about today’s hearing on the BBC radio 1 teatime news broadcast in the uk, some good factual reporting of the facts.

Only thing that spoiled it was when they had a short interview with Edda at the end when the interviewer said to her that Meredith had been all but forgotten and that she was the victim, Edda’s reply was yes she agreed that Meredith had been forgotten and that she was the first victim but that Amanda & Raffia were victims no2.

What a incredibly nasty hurtful vindictive thing to say, this woman is the lowest of the low, despicable!! fc-))

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Yeah...I saw that interview on BBC 24. I had to take a break after...it made me ill.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 8:37 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

zorba wrote:
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Sollecito= Urge, etc = Sollecito. I would urge him indeed to tell the truth for once
Comodi= comfortable = Comodi is an Italian name = a female Prosecutor, practising in Italy,

Comodi is there indeed to make things UNcomfortable for murderers and liars and the like

Aula = Classroom = Courtroom

Palazzo di giustizia = courthouse

Colpevole = guilty

Colpa = guilt

Innocente = innocent

Innocenza = innocence

Disonesto = dishonest

Malvagio = wicked

Brutto = ugly (as in wicked too, after all this word is derived from what Brutus and chums did, I would define Knox, Sollecito & Guede as truly ''brutto'''

Bambi = a little deer, a fictive character, in Italy used in satire, to ridicule those who are anything BUT innocent.

Mother Mellas is so proud of the jailors taking the piss out of her daughter by calling her bambi, it's what people use in Italy to describe mafia members.
For mother enjoys repeating what they say about the American with the cold eyes: Ah carina, e bambi no!?
Mother is always right.

Like hell.

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Nice guide.

Comodi is also sometimes called 'convenient' or 'handy'.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 8:47 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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#amandaknox family making tv network rounds for american prime time to support daughter's appeal.


(exactly what I was talking about)

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 8:57 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

Drown out your lawyers and just take the whole thing over with spin.

Don't let the lawyers do their job, just do all the driving from the back seat.

And then, when it all goes wrong, who is going to be blamed? Not just a 'corrupt' Italian system, but inadequate lawyers.

The FOAKers have been lining up priming themselves to blame Knox's lawyers for a few months now. And if the conviction is qualified, there'll be no more holding back. It'll all be the lawyers' fault...nothing to do with their own constant interference. We all are familiar with their almost psychotic need to blame everyone 'else' in the world for all their woes. Nothing is ever their fault or mistake. They are never responsible for any of their actions.

No matter how this turns out, I feel very sorry for Knox's lawyers. They've earned their money and then some.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 9:10 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

It is truly astonishing what the Knox’s are attempting to achieve by their continued lies and spin, I have never seen anything like it, I mean PM Mignini had just lambasted them for their continued media blitz and what does Edda go and do, she goes outside the court house and starts the spin and lies all over again, this woman should be arrested and charged again she is continuing to call all the evidence the prosecution presented today lies……….she is a despicable woman who obviously enjoys being in the spot light as much as her murdering daughter!!!

This family are going to get there just deserts, I am sure of that!!

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 9:14 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

Michael wrote:
zorba wrote:
Google Translate Guide


Sollecito= Urge, etc = Sollecito. I would urge him indeed to tell the truth for once
Comodi= comfortable = Comodi is an Italian name = a female Prosecutor, practising in Italy,

Comodi is there indeed to make things UNcomfortable for murderers and liars and the like

Aula = Classroom = Courtroom

Palazzo di giustizia = courthouse

Colpevole = guilty

Colpa = guilt

Innocente = innocent

Innocenza = innocence

Disonesto = dishonest

Malvagio = wicked

Brutto = ugly (as in wicked too, after all this word is derived from what Brutus and chums did, I would define Knox, Sollecito & Guede as truly ''brutto'''

Bambi = a little deer, a fictive character, in Italy used in satire, to ridicule those who are anything BUT innocent.

Mother Mellas is so proud of the jailors taking the piss out of her daughter by calling her bambi, it's what people use in Italy to describe mafia members.
For mother enjoys repeating what they say about the American with the cold eyes: Ah carina, e bambi no!?
Mother is always right.

Like hell.

Gente stupida = stupid people



Nice guide.

Comodi is also sometimes called 'convenient' or 'handy'.



Oh yeah, forgot that one,

As the typical ones, like Classroom and Urge, pop up, I'll update the guide.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 9:15 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

jeffski wrote:
It is truly astonishing what the Knox’s are attempting to achieve by their continued lies and spin, I have never seen anything like it, I mean PM Mignini had just lambasted them for their continued media blitz and what does Edda go and do, she goes outside the court house and starts the spin and lies all over again, this woman should be arrested and charged again she is continuing to call all the evidence the prosecution presented today lies……….she is a despicable woman who obviously enjoys being in the spot light as much as her murdering daughter!!!

This family are going to get there just deserts, I am sure of that!!

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She's acting like a woman that knows fully well that there's a case against her daughter.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 9:25 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

Knox Appeal Hits a Snag

Sep 23, 2011 3:55 PM EDT

Since her appeal began, Amanda Knox has appeared to be sailing toward an acquittal—but the prosecution’s powerful closing argument today could alter her fate once again.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 9:30 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

zorba wrote:
Michael wrote:
zorba wrote:
Google Translate Guide


Sollecito= Urge, etc = Sollecito. I would urge him indeed to tell the truth for once
Comodi= comfortable = Comodi is an Italian name = a female Prosecutor, practising in Italy,

Comodi is there indeed to make things UNcomfortable for murderers and liars and the like

Aula = Classroom = Courtroom

Palazzo di giustizia = courthouse

Colpevole = guilty

Colpa = guilt

Innocente = innocent

Innocenza = innocence

Disonesto = dishonest

Malvagio = wicked

Brutto = ugly (as in wicked too, after all this word is derived from what Brutus and chums did, I would define Knox, Sollecito & Guede as truly ''brutto'''

Bambi = a little deer, a fictive character, in Italy used in satire, to ridicule those who are anything BUT innocent.

Mother Mellas is so proud of the jailors taking the piss out of her daughter by calling her bambi, it's what people use in Italy to describe mafia members.
For mother enjoys repeating what they say about the American with the cold eyes: Ah carina, e bambi no!?
Mother is always right.

Like hell.

Gente stupida = stupid people



Nice guide.

Comodi is also sometimes called 'convenient' or 'handy'.



Oh yeah, forgot that one,

As the typical ones, like Classroom and Urge, pop up, I'll update the guide.



I like 'classroom'...a place where we all go to learn in a collegial process. Such a better vision in my view.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 9:36 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

Prosecutors say Knox knows the truth of her guilt
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:07 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

Michael wrote:
Drown out your lawyers and just take the whole thing over with spin.

Don't let the lawyers do their job, just do all the driving from the back seat.

And then, when it all goes wrong, who is going to be blamed? Not just a 'corrupt' Italian system, but inadequate lawyers.

The FOAKers have been lining up priming themselves to blame Knox's lawyers for a few months now. And if the conviction is qualified, there'll be no more holding back. It'll all be the lawyers' fault...nothing to do with their own constant interference. We all are familiar with their almost psychotic need to blame everyone 'else' in the world for all their woes. Nothing is ever their fault or mistake. They are never responsible for any of their actions.

No matter how this turns out, I feel very sorry for Knox's lawyers. They've earned their money and then some.


Funny, but I agree with you, Michael. They not only had to put up with Amanda as a client, but her family as well :)
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:11 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:15 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

Michael wrote:
Something just occurred to me. It's been a really odd day (with the court) and I've been trying to put my finger on what it is. I suppose what's made it odd, is that it's been one single side's day...a prosecution day. It's a rare event....normally all sides are chipping in throughout the process. It'll be the same tomorrow and all the following days from now until rebuttals. But that's not all, because that said, we still heard from Sollecito's lawyers during the break and after the hearing. We heard from Maresca after the hearing. But, something was missing. Knox's lawyers have been very quiet. Instead, Knox's family have been very loud. Did they tell Knox's lawyers to shut up...that 'they' will do all media 'handling'?

I very much suspect that if there is any level the Knox family are unhappy with their Italian lawyers, it is with their handling of the media. They want lawyers that will go out and make accusations against the prosecution (rather then try to calm them), they want them to make bold statements, they want aggression. They want lawyers like Bongiorno that love the media and specialise in spin. But old school lawyers like Ghirga aren't up for that...he's a silly old fuddy duddy that thinks practicing law should be about, well...law. So, the Knox's have come over and hijacked the stage from their lawyers to do what they won't/can't.

This was exactly the kind of stuff PM Mignini was alluding to in court today...the aggressive bombastic campaigning, using the media as a weapon. It staggers me that PM Mignini and the senior prosecutor raised this in the court room today...and right after, the Melloxes went straight outside and continued in exactly the same way, gathering all the reporters around for them to attack the case.

For four years the Melloxes have been embroiled in this case on a daily basis, living and breathing it, living in the country close to their daughter...but they still haven't learned a damned thing about Italy. I'm in...'awe'.


Another thing you've said that made me think, Michael. What we've seen so far about the case and the way it's been handled has taught us so much about Italy and even, to love it more. The worst of Americanism, as opposed to the best of the old country.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:45 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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Classic Perugia Friday night. http://t.co/N6w2Th9S


I wonder if the US media is paying for Edda and Mellas to stay in the usual hotel, or if they're staying at Mellas's place.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:46 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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Another thing you've said that made me think, Michael. What we've seen so far about the case and the way it's been handled has taught us so much about Italy and even, to love it more. The worst of Americanism, as opposed to the best of the old country.



The Melloxes epitomise the 'Ugly American'....they check every box on the list.

I feel badly about that as the whole world sees them on the stage and I know many Americans, have many American friends, and they are nothing like that. The sad reality is though, the world only hears the loud people.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:51 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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Can we seriously believe she looks at women like that? Forever trying to be the seductress.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 11:05 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

Hi Jester but mum's look isn't too pleasant either, he (Ghirga) appears to be afraid to look at her, she put him right off his lunch if you ask me!

Mother's pic is a tad on the large size even for my poor eyes, I may try to reduce it, she is a sight for sore eyes.

I just had a nasty shock too looking at Daylife photos, including the above; I saw a photo of Meredith's fatal neck wound,

it is horrific,

she was smashed to bits by those bastards, it was not just that wound, she had been thoroughly brutalised,

the pic I saw was worse than I'd ever seen,

some clever dick took photos in court when they were screening these things in the process of legal acts.

To be honest, íts just not right that wicked fuckers can get away with doing that. That's what I think anyhow

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 11:08 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

Here we go again with the hair loss thing ... unbelievable that Knox has a scalp under her hair and that it can be seen!

"Showing visible signs of hair loss, the 24-year-old looked pale and apprehensive as she attended the closing statements ..."



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 11:08 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

oh I see that you know how to do stuff Jester, you've enlarged it, it shows what a potty look she has

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 11:10 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

who is it Jester, Dr Pisa?

I daren't look

it was a long hard night

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 11:14 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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who is it Jester, Dr Pisa?

I daren't look

it was a long hard night


Indeed ... none other than Nick Pisa turning the day's events in court into a comment about hair.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 11:17 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

he has to earn his money for nice dinners, fancy wines and a life of riley somehow

but on second thoughts, that is what ALL of the BRIT journos do,


they are none other than upmarket chavs the types that normally emigrate to Spain, except these are upmarket ones, upmarket chavs

Sadly it now seems that Barbie is on that bandwagon too

rolling rolling rolling rawhide

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 11:18 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

On reading Barbie's article, it's a very good one...a sobering one.

Barbie does though, run very hot and cold.

There's much to talk about in her piece. Most notably, the perspective the prosecution was trying to put, which the Anglo media is now focused on distorting.

Expect multiple Mignini smears from the FOAKers over the next few days.

It was a bad day for Knox today and no amount of 'I'm not wearing THAT t-shirt anymore' can change the fact her halo has been knocked off the top of her head.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 11:22 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

The line of the day belongs to Andrea Vogt:

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But the day really belonged to embattled prosecutor Giuliano Mignini

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 11:24 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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Knox's lawyers have been very quiet. Instead, Knox's family have been very loud. Did they tell Knox's lawyers to shut up...that 'they' will do all media 'handling'?
I very much suspect that if there is any level the Knox family are unhappy with their Italian lawyers, it is with their handling of the media. They want lawyers that will go out and make accusations against the prosecution (rather then try to calm them), they want them to make bold statements, they want aggression. They want lawyers like Bongiorno that love the media and specialise in spin. But old school lawyers like Ghirga aren't up for that...he's a silly old fuddy duddy that thinks practicing law should be about, well...law. So, the Knox's have come over and hijacked the stage from their lawyers to do what they won't/can't.

This was exactly the kind of stuff PM Mignini was alluding to in court today...the aggressive bombastic campaigning, using the media as a weapon. It staggers me that PM Mignini and the senior prosecutor raised this in the court room today...and right after, the Melloxes went straight outside and continued in exactly the same way, gathering all the reporters around for them to attack the case.


Very astute observations, Michael.

What is Ghirga saying to Curt Knox in this snapshot?

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Curt Knox's reply: "Don't worry, old chap, WE will wreck and destroy our daughter's chances of acquittal and then point the finger at YOU!"

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 11:26 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

the look on mom's smacker is like she thinks this guy is God, and will work miracles

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 11:31 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

From Andrea's piece, on Mignini today:

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He reminded the appeals jurors that it was not a U.S. court, but rather one in the Italian republic and urged them to ignore "improvised detectives who give their superficial opinion from 10,000 kilometers away."

He did not know that ex-FBI agent Steve Moore was actually sitting just feet away in the courtroom.


First time. Has he read the Massei Report yet?

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 11:32 pm   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

Knox trial: Italian prosecutors sum up their case Published: Friday, Sept. 23, 2011 2:26 p.m. MDT
By Alessandra Rizzo, Associated Press

PERUGIA, Italy — Italian prosecutors urged an appeals court Friday to uphold the murder conviction of Amanda Knox despite what they called a media campaign in support of the American student, asking the jurors to think instead of the young victim whose life was brutally ended.

In the first round of closing arguments that took seven hours Friday, the prosecutors summed up circumstantial evidence, testimony and other clues they believe point solely to Knox and Raffaele Sollecito. They sought to move past a recent independent review of genetic evidence, which cast doubt on key traces used to link the defendants to the murder and dealt a significant blow to the prosecution's case.

"All clues converge toward the only possible result of finding the defendants guilty," Prosecutor Giancarlo Costagliola said.

Prosecutors will wrap up their arguments Saturday. They could seek stiffer sentences, including life imprisonment or ask the court to uphold the current jail terms. A verdict is expected at the end of September or early October.

Knox and Sollecito were convicted of sexually assaulting and murdering Knox's British roommate, Meredith Kercher, on the night of Nov. 1, 2007, when they were all students in Perugia. Knox was sentenced to 26 years in prison; Sollecito to 25. Both deny wrongdoing and have appealed the lower court's verdict in December 2009.

Speaking in a packed courtroom, the prosecutors sought to focus the jury's attention on Kercher and her family's pain, against a backdrop of what they described as media fascination with the photogenic Knox.

Costagliola urged the jurors to try and "feel a little bit like the parents of Meredith Kercher." Another prosecutor, Giuliano Mignini, said he will never forget Kercher's wide open eyes when he inspected the crime scene. He then juxtaposed gruesome photos from the murder with a snapshot of the defendants kissing shortly after Kercher's body was found.

"The victim has sunk into an absolute and shameful oblivion, made more intolerable by the media's morbid exaltation of the two people sitting on the defendant's bench," Mignini said. He urged jurors not to be deceived by the defendants' clean-cut appearances, saying "there's a dark side in all of us."

The prosecutors argue that the 21-year-old Kercher was the victim of a drug-fueled sex assault. In the first trial, the prosecutors had sought life sentences — Italy's stiffest punishment. Like the defendant, they have also appealed the lower court's verdict, as they can in Italy

On Friday, the prosecutors reviewed their case in great detail: bloody footprints found in the house that are compatible with those of the defendants, cell phone activity and witness testimony that appear to contradict the defendant's alibi that they spent the night at Sollecito's house and stayed there until about 10 a.m. the day after the murder, and a staged burglary at the house of the murder aimed at sidetracking the investigation.
They reminded the court that Knox initially gave contradicting accounts on the night of the murder, at one point accusing a Congolese man who was briefly arrested as a result of that claim, and later cleared. Knox maintains she acted under police pressure when she was questioned in the aftermath of the killing.

The prosecutors also addressed the results of an independent review of DNA evidence, which said much of the genetic evidence used to convict Knox and Sollecito was faulty.

In the first trial, prosecutors maintained that Knox's DNA was found on the handle of a kitchen knife believed to be the murder weapon, and that Kercher's DNA was found on the blade. They said Sollecito's DNA was on the clasp of Kercher's bra as part of a mix of evidence that also included the victim's genetic profile.

The independent review, carried out by two court-appointed experts, challenged both findings. It said police had made glaring errors in evidence-collecting and that below-standard testing and possible contamination raised doubts over the attribution of DNA traces, both on the blade and on the bra clasp, which was collected from the crime scene several weeks after the murder.

The review boosted Knox's chances and gave hope to her family that the 24-year-old might be freed after four years behind bars. Without a clear motive and decisive witnesses, DNA emerged as a crucial element in the case.

But the prosecutors tried to play down the significance of the review, insisting it was sketchy and superficial and telling the court there was more to their case.

"It's not just about the clasp and the knife," Mignini said. Speaking of the risk of contamination, he said the review failed to back up the claim: "Contamination of what? With what? When? How?" he asked.

Mignini, who served as prosecutor in the first trial, resurrected some of the prosecution's case from then, mentioning Knox's purported promiscuity, the presence of a vibrator in the house, her use of drugs and her supposed tensions with Kercher.

Gesticulating, using sarcastic comments and making citations in Latin and French, Mignini appeared to capture the jurors' attention despite his lengthy exposition. Nearby, a tense, worn-out looking Knox watched attentively.

"I'm sure today it was stressful for her. Listening to people tell a bunch of lies about her is difficult," said Knox's mother, Edda Mellas, who flew to Italy on Thursday for the final stretch of the proceedings. "But we know we have to go through this part to get to the end."

"I don't think they presented anything that contradicts anything," Mellas added.

A lawyer for Sollecito, Giulia Bongiorno, told reporters that, weakened by the results of the review, the prosecution was merely "rehashing old clues, feeble and inconsistent arguments."

Mignini reserved some of his toughest words for Knox's character, which he described as "insensitive and lacking affection" in the aftermath of the murder, and called her a liar. But he also spoke harshly of the supposed role of the media, which he said was intent on discrediting the Italian judicial system.


Mignini said the prosecution was "subjected to systematic denigration of a political and media nature." He denounced the "armchair detectives who give their opinions from remarkable superficiality and approximation from 5,000 kilometers (3,000 miles), 10,000 kilometers (more than 6,000 miles) away."

"The trial must be held here, in this courtroom," Mignini told the jurors. "This lobbying, this media and political circus, this heavy interference, forget all of it!"

With young and attractive defendants and tales of sex and drugs, the case has captivated audiences worldwide, drawing international media to Perugia since the beginning. On Friday, as the appeals trial draws to a close, the underground courtroom was packed with cameras, reporters and scores of curious residents.

A third person, Rudy Hermann Guede of the Ivory Coast, also has been convicted of Kercher's murder in a separate proceeding. Italy's highest criminal court has upheld Guede's conviction and his 16-year-prison sentence. Guede denies wrongdoing, though he admits he was in the house.

The prosecutors noted that Guede himself testified months ago that he believes Knox and Sollecito killed Kercher. They pointed out that Italy's highest court said in its ruling that Guede had not acted alone.

However, the court's ruling does not name Knox and Sollecito as Guede's accomplices.

Curiously, the prosecution's call not to forget the victim was similar to what Curt Knox said on the eve of their summations.

"What's lost out of this thing is the Kercher family and the loss of their daughter Meredith," Knox told The Associated Press in an interview Thursday.

"We have not personally reached out yet because I would like them to know that Amanda had nothing to do with the loss of their daughter," he said. "And until they know that Amanda had nothing to do with it, I'm not certain how they would accept our heartfelt condolences for the loss of their daughter."

The Kerchers are expected to travel to Perugia for the verdict.




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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 12:05 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

guermantes wrote:
Michael wrote:
Knox's lawyers have been very quiet. Instead, Knox's family have been very loud. Did they tell Knox's lawyers to shut up...that 'they' will do all media 'handling'?
I very much suspect that if there is any level the Knox family are unhappy with their Italian lawyers, it is with their handling of the media. They want lawyers that will go out and make accusations against the prosecution (rather then try to calm them), they want them to make bold statements, they want aggression. They want lawyers like Bongiorno that love the media and specialise in spin. But old school lawyers like Ghirga aren't up for that...he's a silly old fuddy duddy that thinks practicing law should be about, well...law. So, the Knox's have come over and hijacked the stage from their lawyers to do what they won't/can't.

This was exactly the kind of stuff PM Mignini was alluding to in court today...the aggressive bombastic campaigning, using the media as a weapon. It staggers me that PM Mignini and the senior prosecutor raised this in the court room today...and right after, the Melloxes went straight outside and continued in exactly the same way, gathering all the reporters around for them to attack the case.


Very astute observations, Michael.

What is Ghirga saying to Curt Knox in this snapshot?

Ghirga: "Where will the media spin and lies end? Will further spin follow? YOU will do all the media handling? All right, do it at your own risk but don't come and blame me later as I'm not responsible for what you are going to do."

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Curt Knox's reply: "Don't worry, old chap, WE will wreck and destroy our daughter's chances of acquittal and then point the finger at YOU!"

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I've no idea what Ghirga is saying. I know what Curt is thinking though...he thinks he wants him to pull his finger.

Joking aside...these people can't communicate together well. It's one of their core problems.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 12:12 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

Maundy Gregory:

Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: back in court for closing arguments http://t.co/MMbXBko8

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 12:27 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

Michael wrote:
On reading Barbie's article, it's a very good one...a sobering one.

Barbie does though, run very hot and cold.

There's much to talk about in her piece. Most notably, the perspective the prosecution was trying to put, which the Anglo media is now focused on distorting.

Expect multiple Mignini smears from the FOAKers over the next few days.

It was a bad day for Knox today and no amount of 'I'm not wearing THAT t-shirt anymore' can change the fact her halo has been knocked off the top of her head.

Yup. Many thanks to Barbie for keeping us up to date with her twittering. Without her we would have to wait till any news reports would come out. I understand words like 'bum' aren't very nice, but it is twitter where you use words as short as possible. And I don't think her twitters should be seen as official news releases or something like that. She continues to swing with what is going on in court. So I am fully expecting she will focus on a possible acquittal again when the defence is up.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 12:31 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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but it is twitter where you use words as short as possible



No excuse, with all respect what u say here, I think, is bullshit

She is very careless and whimsical

I for one can do without superficial and dumb tweets

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 12:36 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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Prosecutors say Knox knows the truth of her guilt
BY ANDREA VOGT, SPECIAL TO SEATTLEPI.COM
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Lots of interesting details in Andrea Vogt's article. Here is one:

"Amanda' Knox's three younger sisters and her father, Curt, were also in Perugia."

So, Amanda's 'little sisters' (Ashley and Delaney Knox) are in Perugia again? Since he walked out of court after the 'shocking' guilty verdict almost two years ago and led his two young daughters down the main street of the old city center, shoving reporters out of the way, Curt Knox hasn't learned anything! Very stupid, if you ask me, to let Amanda's younger siblings go through the same thing again.

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zorba wrote:
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but it is twitter where you use words as short as possible

No excuse, with all respect what u say here, I think, is bullshit

She is very careless and whimsical

I for one can do without superficial and dumb tweets

Lol..ok, whimsical she is. I just don't take that twitter stuff all that seriously.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 12:55 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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Very funny, Jester! :lol: I knew you had the spirit of a true jester in you! It's rare to find that these days. Love your creations.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 1:12 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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Joking aside...these people can't communicate together well. It's one of their core problems.


I wouldn't say that, lots of hugging going on!

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 1:14 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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Another thing you've said that made me think, Michael. What we've seen so far about the case and the way it's been handled has taught us so much about Italy and even, to love it more. The worst of Americanism, as opposed to the best of the old country.



The Melloxes epitomise the 'Ugly American'....they check every box on the list.

I feel badly about that as the whole world sees them on the stage and I know many Americans, have many American friends, and they are nothing like that. The sad reality is though, the world only hears the loud people.


This is what's so sad, Michael. I've lived in the U.S. and had so many friends; of course they are nothing like that. That's why I made sure to stress the point that it is only the worst of them that I speak.
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Some of the report below has been overtaken by events, but there is still some interesting material here:

"Knox and Sollecito are guilty: condemn them"

The hearing begins with Prosecutor's summing up which promises to be very tough and with three speakers. And meanwhile the 16th book on the Crime of Via della Pergola comes out: Death in Perugia

The accused, AK & RS have been found guilty in the first stage [trial].

The Perugia crime is once again ever at the centre of international attention. As the last stage of hearings in the trial against AK & RS in the Appeal Court of the Assizes starts today, another book comes out - the 16th if we have kept a correct count, [which is] not easy - on the murder of Meredith Kercher. It has been written by the English journalist [who is] the Paris correspondent of The Sunday Times of London, John Follain. Follain has followed almost all the hearings of the trials, the first, as well as the second stage and thus he knows the judiciary matter perfectly well, for this [reason] it is to be held that this is a impeccable work.
His book is entitled Death in Perugia, subtitled "The definitive account of the killing of Meredith Kercher”. On the cover of the book, which has not been translated into Italian yet and and has not arrived in Italy, the image of Amanda's face photographed behind bars.
The hearing.
The resumption of the trial begins this morning with the the closing arguments of the prosecution. The prosecutors will share the tasks. If rumours are correct the first to speak will be Giuliano Mignini (who will deal with the investigations, the witnesses and the beginnings of the case), Manuela Comodi will follow (who will tackle the subject of the scientific evidence and the telephone cells) and Giancarlo Costagliola - the Deputy Chief Prosecutor - will conclude, putting forward the final requests. It appears taken for granted that the prosecution will seek not only the recognition of the guilt of the two accused, but also that they should not be granted the generic attenuating [circumstances]. In the case that the court agrees with these requests, Amanda and Raffaele, who were condemned at the first stage to 26 and 25 years imprisonment respectively, could see themselves inflicted with life imprisonment, or nonetheless a higher penalty than that they had from the Court of the Assizes. The three-speaker closing arguments should take up today as well as tomorrow.
The Timetable
Predictions about the times are not easy [to make]. Probably next week [the court] will go ahead up to Thursday. Monday the civil parties for Kercher (Francesco Maresca e Serena Perna) will start to speak, [for] Patrick Lumumba (against Knox alone for calumny) lawyer Carlo Pacelli, and the owner of the cottage (represented by Letizia Magnini). On Tuesday it will be the turn of Sollecito's defence (Luca Maori e Giulia Bongiorno) and Wednesday the Knox defence(Luciano Ghirga, Carlo Dalla Vedova). All this in broad terms. According to the grapevine, not yet official, there will be a break and the hearing will resume
with the rebuttals on October 3rd or even Ottober 7th. After this the judges will meet again in chambers.
Waiting.
Waiting for the sentence is very keen. The massive presence of the families of the victim (the Kerchers) and that of Amanda and Raffaele has been announced. Probably [there will be] a record number of American and English networks. Requests for accreditation of journalists, cameramen and photographers are continuing to arrive at the office of the prosecution.
Poison
Tension is also linked to the latest letter, sent anonymously to the presiding judge, to the court consultants, to the experts for the parties and to Corriere dell’Umbria, in which the Scientific Police are accused of not having complied with international standards and of other improper conduct in terms of discovery [of evidence] and in the laboratory. The letter, precisely because it is anonymous, has no impact on the trial, although it will be placed on the records, . Although it is possible that investigations will be carried out to find out who is the "deep throat" who wrote and sent it.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 7:32 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

Tiziano - Thanks for the trans! :)

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Long line to get into courtroom this morning in #


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#amandaknox is in the courtroom.


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Court is in session at 9:35 in #amandaknox appeal

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 7:41 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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Manuela Comodi has the floor in #amandaknox appeal.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 8:13 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

I am curious to see if today is the day of the rumored 'surprise'. I can imagine they save that one till last. Comodi has plenty of time at least. I don't think anybody else is scheduled for today?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 8:21 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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Comodi giving examples of italian cases when dna was not "all there is" to convict. #amandaknox


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Comodi downplaying importance of independent review, says its just another opinion among many. #amandaknox

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 8:38 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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Comodi trying to justify late collection of bra clasp and meredith's sweater saying crime scene was secure #amandaknox


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Comodi says the blood on the sweater was #meredithkercher and #rudyguede in #amandaknox appeal. Trying to downplay forensic flubs.


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Prosecutor Manuela Comodi @ Knox appeal slams independent forensic work, defends + explains original work by perugia police.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 8:42 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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#amandaknox appeal prosecutor commode defending forensics/police work. Several cops in civvies have arrived in court to listen.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 8:53 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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Slideshow in #amandaknox trial.


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Comodi showing pix of investigator glove #amandaknox


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Disturbing Pix of #meredithkercher crime scene in #amandaknox appeal being shown in court


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Comodi showing blood in bathroom and trying to show how contamination was not possible. #amandaknox


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Jury looks a little distracted in #amandaknox hearing.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 9:07 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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Comodi holding white bra to show how she thinks it was cut from #meredithkercher body. #amandaknox


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Jury perked up when bra was pulled out of comodi's handbag. #amandaknox


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#amandaknox prosecutor manuela comodi whips out bra to defend dna on clasp. More show than substance.

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Reports of shots fired near Pope mass in Germany. Pope OK, agent wounded, shooter apprehended.

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Judge asks comodi for clarification on bra clasp dna. #

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 9:23 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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#amandaknox prosector Comodi accuses defense of criticizing only certain DNA results that were convenient. Insists protocols followed.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 9:35 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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Momentary press chaos at #amandaknox appeal over news of shooting at papal mass in germany. Which story is more important?


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15 minute break in #amandaknox hearing

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Pope fine, btw. Apparently was airgun no where near mass

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Headline from #AmandaKnox appeal hearing today: prosector pulls out white bra to illustrate how clasp may have been cut off corpse.

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Why is it, everyone goes ga-ga over a 'bra'?

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 10:24 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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#amandaknox court back in session with energized comodi breaking down dna


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Comodi going over controversial "too low" reading on knife in #amandaknox

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 10:33 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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#amandaknox Comodi is making a lot of recipe/food comparisons to simplify dna. Is pandering to mostly female jury? #sexist

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 10:41 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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#amandaknox Comodi is making a lot of recipe/food comparisons to simplify dna. Is pandering to mostly female jury? #sexist

Maybe she is trying to for once get a blog from Food Blogger Dempsey that makes some sense about something.

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1) Sure easy to see why Candace does not blog about women's dress styles
2) And Edda's soundbite yesterday was that Amanda looked like she did not sleep well ?


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 10:50 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

Amanda Knox prosecutors pour scorn on forensic experts

Italian state attorneys attack professors who criticised evidence used to sentence student to 26 years for murder


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Comodi

FROM THIS REPORT QUOTING PM COMODI'S WORDS

At the end of the closing arguments the prosecutor will put forward his requests for
the sentence, probably life imprisonment. The two accused are present in court.
"Even apart from the scientific evidence - PM Comodi said - the outcome of this trial can be be nothing less than the confirmation of the first stage sentence."
That is to say, 25 years for Sollecito and 26 for Knox.

The expert reports on the DNA samples carried out on the instructions of the Court, which led to the results on the knife, held to be the weapon of the crime, and on the bra clasp worn by Ms Kercher at the time of the murder, were attacked by the magistrate. Ms Comodi spoke of the "embarrassing performance of the experts", affirming "their complete inadequacy and unseemliness".
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 10:51 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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Comodi re enacting stabbing angle in #amandaknox appeal.


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Madam prosecutor, how does making spaghetti carbonara relate to forensics? Food references ubiquitous in Italy. But jury listening.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 10:57 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

Pic from today's hearing to accompany GREAT updates from Michael.

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2) "Comb over" to cover Knox's bald spot that made media reports yesterday


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 10:59 am   Post subject: Re: XXIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 22 -   

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Comodi insists that mixed dna/blood is relevant to #meredithkercher murder not a coincidence. #amandaknox


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Comodi discusses lamp found in murder room that had been moved & which has no prints 2 illustrate cleaning up theory. #amandaknox


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Comodi showing slides of spots where mixed blood/dna were found in house. #amandaknox


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#amandaknox prosecutor now doggedly going after independent experts and focusing on mixed traces of blood/DNA in bathroom.

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#amandaknox supporters say no mixed blood but her lawyers give reason she was bleeding. #curious

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